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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 38. (Read 531164 times)

jr. member
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...and a new Antminer V9 in town!

you get 20T for $1725

but you'll have 5 miner + power supply

yeah 5000w for 20 TH/s......eff that noise

In Venezuela electricity rates are lower than 0.004$ kw/h, also i know some arab countries have almost free electricity

I can see how this is gonna sell pretty well for some miners
full member
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...and a new Antminer V9 in town!

you get 20T for $1725

but you'll have 5 miner + power supply

yeah 5000w for 20 TH/s......eff that noise
legendary
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Merit: 1047
Just apply a new sticker on top of the S7 miner and undervolt & underclock it a little and voilà you have a 'brand new' V9 miner.  Grin

Sorry unless it mines LTC at the same time then it is not profitable at the present BTC/USD price. Best to buy BTC.

What? How is your post related to my post in any way?  Huh

I took your comment as satire "sarcasm" with respects re-branding the S7 to V9 and wanted to add that it's return on investment at present BTC/USD is in the -$.

Here is what it would look like if BTC/USD was at $15,000.00. From what I can see buying BTC at this low rate vs hardware purchase of this type makes business sense.

UPDATE: Here is the document for reference.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11QS1BBV11KNGTF8N_-fdfmjTZ3WzPQFbLfVrl5n6R8s/edit?usp=sharing

BTC/USD 15000 NETWORK DIFFICULTY INCREASE OF 10% FOR 6 RE-TARGETS and 2% thereafter.

https://i.imgur.com/VWPahOE.png

BTC/USD $8500 USD NETWORK DIFFICULTY INCREASE OF 10% FOR 6 RE-TARGETS and 2% thereafter.

https://i.imgur.com/8ZIwfis.png

^ updated to reflect proper name and other purchase options, including more accurate near-term network difficulty adjustments.
UPDATE #2: To reflect recent difficulty change.
jr. member
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I am scared now because I have so many ant-miner S9 yet to be shipped and I want to buy the new one because the S9 will be worthless once the new one is released. Unless they are trying to advantage of the market drop buy selling as much as possible so when the price climbs they just doubled there $$$

S9 on sale for 2 days now the market isnt running to buy new s9's thats a good sign. Also Hashrate has been going down steadily for 3 days.

Price is up

If you can resell your s9's for 1k more than cost, well do it...

Also it is pretty funny how ppl think that moving hash power from China to Canada is so easy, the only way i see big companies like bitmain moving fast to Canada is if they do a joint venture with a canadian mining company. Ppl seem to think somehow that setting up a mining farm is simply moving to a warehouse connect the miners and BOOM DONE, no regulations, nothing HAH... i guess they havent dealt with bureaucracy and all that bs

Sea shipping time, bureaucracy permits etc, hiring new ppl, setting up the whole farm, renting or buying new space, etc etc etc. For examply i know for a fact that a S9 is CSA certified (Canadian Standards association) but i doubt the other equipment they use in China is CSA certified
legendary
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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
Just apply a new sticker on top of the S7 miner and undervolt & underclock it a little and voilà you have a 'brand new' V9 miner.  Grin

Sorry unless it mines LTC at the same time then it is not profitable at the present BTC/USD price. Best to buy BTC.

What? How is your post related to my post in any way?  Huh
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1047
Just apply a new sticker on top of the S7 miner and undervolt & underclock it a little and voilà you have a 'brand new' V9 miner.  Grin

Sorry unless it mines LTC at the same time then it is not profitable at the present BTC/USD price. Best to buy BTC.
full member
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OK, I think it is about time someone checks what-to-mine for the new Antminer and share the results

S9 14 th/s and ~1300w power consumption with default website power cost, yields ~230 USD/mo with todays Bitcoin price

V9 20 th/s and ~5000w power consumption with default website power cost, yields ~100 USD/mo with todays Bitcoin price

I really cant understand the logic, maybe for huge mining investments with cheap electricity or alternative means of power, this modular system would be worth, but otherwise...

They are getting rid of stock of soon to be redundant chips by repackaging everything into stupid seemingly bite sized machines anyway they can until they bring out the next model. They make more money selling the machines than mining so to hell with difficulty right now as the market is flooded with their stuff, especially after that Pre- Christmas batch which was for sale for over a week. They know exactly what they're doing.

AntPool even stopped paying out for a a few days waiting for BCH/BTC to drop on the way down and then paid out the miners. Total scam artists

yet people still mine on Antpool!
full member
Activity: 267
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I am scared now because I have so many ant-miner S9 yet to be shipped and I want to buy the new one because the S9 will be worthless once the new one is released. Unless they are trying to advantage of the market drop buy selling as much as possible so when the price climbs they just doubled there $$$
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1710
Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
Just apply a new sticker on top of the S7 miner and undervolt & underclock it a little and voilà you have a 'brand new' V9 miner.  Grin
newbie
Activity: 37
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OK, I think it is about time someone checks what-to-mine for the new Antminer and share the results

S9 14 th/s and ~1300w power consumption with default website power cost, yields ~230 USD/mo with todays Bitcoin price

V9 20 th/s and ~5000w power consumption with default website power cost, yields ~100 USD/mo with todays Bitcoin price

I really cant understand the logic, maybe for huge mining investments with cheap electricity or alternative means of power, this modular system would be worth, but otherwise...

They are getting rid of stock of soon to be redundant chips by repackaging everything into stupid seemingly bite sized machines anyway they can until they bring out the next model. They make more money selling the machines than mining so to hell with difficulty right now as the market is flooded with their stuff, especially after that Pre- Christmas batch which was for sale for over a week. They know exactly what they're doing.

AntPool even stopped paying out for a a few days waiting for BCH/BTC to drop on the way down and then paid out the miners. Total scam artists
full member
Activity: 294
Merit: 101
OK, I think it is about time someone checks what-to-mine for the new Antminer and share the results

S9 14 th/s and ~1300w power consumption with default website power cost, yields ~230 USD/mo with todays Bitcoin price

V9 20 th/s and ~5000w power consumption with default website power cost, yields ~100 USD/mo with todays Bitcoin price

I really cant understand the logic, maybe for huge mining investments with cheap electricity or alternative means of power, this modular system would be worth, but otherwise...
full member
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Affordable miner for hoby miners nice, meaby i will one get one.

minimum order is  5

you pay $2700 + 5 PSU + shipping for getting 20TH at 5kW

S9 has 13.5TH at 1.4kW for 2320+105+160=2590





What?.... can't see purpose of that.

Who is this talented mathematician?

5*345 = 1725$

And there is one retarded competitor in this segment https://pangolinminer.com/product/m3-stock-vii/
full member
Activity: 500
Merit: 105
Affordable miner for hoby miners nice, meaby i will one get one.

minimum order is  5

you pay $2700 + 5 PSU + shipping for getting 20TH at 5kW

S9 has 13.5TH at 1.4kW for 2320+105+160=2590



full member
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Merit: 105
Where are they going with this...?

this might be the spare parts you need.

you get 2 fans with 3 1.XT hashing boards for $345. no? assuming that if an S9 board fails it can be replaced with the V9s.
full member
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Where are they going with this...?
legendary
Activity: 2464
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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
...and a new Antminer V9 in town!

Which is actually most likely just a S7 underclocked & undervolted..

Back in the 2016 I tweaked a S7 to perform 4.2Th/s at 1066W (at wall) power consumption by using methods in this guide provided by sidehack.

Link to the guide thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16258852

I used one these hex files with PICkit3 for undervolting and underclocking a S7, batch 9  and everything went smooth.
I sold that miner but I'm going to do the same thing again soon to a S7 when the S9 arrives and I rearrange my miners and PSUs.
Here is my setup:
Quote
Antminer S7, 640/670mV,  4.223Th/s (60 min avg), 625 Mhz

Power supply: Enermax Revolution 87+ 1000W
Voltage: 227 VAC
Current: 4,7 A

Power (at wall): 1066,9 W
full member
Activity: 500
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...and a new Antminer V9 in town!

you get 20T for $1725

but you'll have 5 miner + power supply
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1047
Learn to read
I am well capable of reading, here’s what was said:
...
To clarify the chart I have is set to have an increase in difficulty at 1% every 18 days. THIS IS AN ESTIMATE. It may drop % a few times. However I have factored in the average increase over the last two years and even the average from the last year.
...

5% preset difficulty every 14 days, thats an avg of 11% monthly, the avg was 7% in 2017. Last year there was some big jumps in difficulty too...
Have you had a look at the curve over the last 2 years: https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/difficulty/2y?t=l
As HoleShot correctly points out in the previous post, it’s following a logarithmic function.
What you are doing is on this graph, you’re drawing a straight line between the first and last point, you’re then extending that line to predict the future. Surely you can see that the slope of the line you’re drawing is not following the latest trend of the curve.

And like i told you some posts before i dont know what hashrate chart u are looking at. The one im looking at we are back at hashrate lvls of 15 days ago and it keeps going down.
Perhaps this one: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
or this one: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-hashrate.html#1y
or this one: https://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/bitcoin-network-hashrate-chart,
or this one: https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/hashrate/6m?c=m&g=15&t=a

Which one are you looking at?

Also nobody expects difficulty to simply go flat
Good.

but to go up in lower numbers than it is raising after the whole craze in December
Not sure why you would expect that, growth rate has always increased.

PD: I dont think anybody is discussing with you that selling a s9 for 5k is much better than mining i sold my order of 6 for 4.5k each
Very wise decision Sir, instant 12k profit :-)


No point in getting too excited. Those numbers are highly conservative and simply to pose as an example to the newbies that are unaware that selling Bitcoin at 7500 USD/ BTC is foolish.

When I first started this project and keeping the spreadsheet going we were having 30% to 20% gains on average every difficulty target.

What I wanted to demonstrate with this chart that even if the network balanced out and remained at an improbable 1% gain. At the present rate 7500 USD you'd be hard-pressed even make one Bitcoin profitably. I have also set one to a more reasonable 10% increase for the next 6 retargets while BTC is trading at 15000 usd

I also make note that anything past 3 difficulty retarget is hard to predict. For reference I set a second difficulty at 1% after 6 target levels.. That is why I try to take the average of 2016-2017 and the last month of 2018.

I personally believe that come April we're going to see another 20% increase. This is simply because Samsung is now making a ASICs. With increased production we are also due for an increase in chip performance with the next-generation hardware.

Update: For instance if you mined with the S9 under those conservative network difficulty increases you would net 0.49 BTC and at 15000 = 4850 USD.
After hardware and power costs your profit would 2500usd.

This doesn't even factor in overhead such as employee security and rent or any incidentals.

If you took that same investment and purchased BTC at 7500usd now. You would have 0.65btc.

So ultimately selling BTC now for hardware seems foolish. That is unless instead of paying tax you prefer to have that tax portion work for you by reinvested in a mining asset you can depreciate.



Dude, it is foolish to assume that btc will go back to 15k usd. There is no guarantee of that.... Past performance is not an indication of future performance.

Feel free to make a copy of the document and enter your own perspective.

All I know is that miners are hardcore investors and reinvest into BTC. When it is better to buy BTC than miners then you have your new floor of value.
legendary
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Hopefully Samsung wakes up their idea and realizes that there is no point competing with bitmain in such a small market.... No one wins then.

Samsung is making ASICs for company's like bitmain.

As for the true value of BTC. 1 BTC is still 1 BTC.

As for the limited BTC supply and it's true value. Is can be likened to the cost of participating on the Bitcoin blockchain.
newbie
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New batch just was announced and it's still $2320, Bitmain is crazy with these prices when BTC is so low.



The buyers are the crazy ones!  Grin
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