BitSyncom, will all the chip orders ship together? - page 6.

gill83

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Quote from: Vycid on June 24, 2013, 01:20:19 AM

Quote from: gill83 on June 24, 2013, 01:18:37 AM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 24, 2013, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

Yifu, you are plain bullshitting now. If you don't control this address then who does? I have set up a Wordpress + WooCommerce + Bitcoin ecommerce store for a friend. And I know exactly how it works. You enter an end address where all the Bitcoins go. The store generates a temporary address for every transaction and moves the BTC from that temp address to the end address. All the transactions in the above-mentioned transaction log depict this particular behavior. A transaction with BTC coming from multiple addresses into one temp address, and then another transaction moving all that money from that temp address to your address.

Please cook up a more legitimate story if you want to fool us.

If they wanted to fool us they could just move the coins around a whole bunch.

That's what I am saying, he is not doing a good job of fooling us. But he is definitely trying.

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Quote from: gill83 on June 24, 2013, 01:18:37 AM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 24, 2013, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

Yifu, you are plain bullshitting now. If you don't control this address then who does? I have set up a Wordpress + WooCommerce + Bitcoin ecommerce store for a friend. And I know exactly how it works. You enter an end address where all the Bitcoins go. The store generates a temporary address for every transaction and moves the BTC from that temp address to the end address. All the transactions in the above-mentioned transaction log depict this particular behavior. A transaction with BTC coming from multiple addresses into one temp address, and then another transaction moving all that money from that temp address to your address.

Please cook up a more legitimate story if you want to fool us.

If they wanted to fool us they could just move the coins around a whole bunch.

gill83

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Quote from: BitSyncom on June 24, 2013, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

Yifu, you are plain bullshitting now. If you don't control this address then who does? I have set up a Wordpress + WooCommerce + Bitcoin ecommerce store for a friend. And I know exactly how it works. You enter an end address where all the Bitcoins go. The store generates a temporary address for every transaction and moves the BTC from that temp address to the end address. All the transactions in the above-mentioned transaction log depict this particular behavior. A transaction with BTC coming from multiple addresses into one temp address, and then another transaction moving all that money from that temp address to your address.

Please cook up a more legitimate story if you want to fool us.

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Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2399090

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Quote from: Vycid on June 24, 2013, 12:22:42 AM

Ah, apologies, I did not consider that and must have missed it when you mentioned it earlier.

It does, however, raise the interesting question of who the owner(s) might be, if they are willing to pay for every bitcoin deposited into that account. It currently represents over 7.5 million dollars US...

Sounds to me like some hedge funds are getting in on Bitcoin.

I don't know that he has explicitly mentioned it here, but it was a pretty funny moment during his talk at the Bitcoin Conference. It's at 23 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1xgGiejIc

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Quote from: gill83 on June 21, 2013, 08:07:05 PM

If I were to order 10,000 chips today, will they be shipped 2 months after the people who ordered on April 20th? Or 2 weeks? Or 2 days?

What I understand is, you are getting the chips made from the foundry in one giant order. And why wouldn't you? The bigger the order, the cheaper per chip you would have to pay.

Please answer this question. I am sure if there is not much difference between the shipment time, you will receive as many more orders as you have already received! I for sure will be ordering right away.

Thank you!

BitSyncom, Why are you not answering the above question? I think it is an important question, one that everyone who has purchased chips would like the answer to. We (your chip buyers) have given you millions of US$ in BTC. Don't you think we deserve an answer (one that does not need some secret decoder ring)?

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Quote from: BitSyncom on June 24, 2013, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

what about the trade-in orders? will it still be shipped before batch3?

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Quote from: BitSyncom on June 24, 2013, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

Ah, apologies, I did not consider that and must have missed it when you mentioned it earlier.

It does, however, raise the interesting question of who the owner(s) might be, if they are willing to pay for every bitcoin deposited into that account. It currently represents over 7.5 million dollars US...

Sounds to me like some hedge funds are getting in on Bitcoin.

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Quote from: BitSyncom on June 24, 2013, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

The beauty of Bitcoin my friends

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Quote from: Vycid on June 23, 2013, 11:52:54 PM

Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

I addressed this awhile ago, who says that address is ours to begin with?

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Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Yifu... that is provably untrue. Not a single coin paid into the wallet that received payment for chip orders (782.1 BTC per 10,000 chips) has been moved, let alone sold.

http://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU?offset=0&filter=0

I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but the information suggests otherwise.

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Quote from: Rampion on June 23, 2013, 05:56:36 AM

Quote from: Vycid on June 22, 2013, 11:40:17 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 22, 2013, 11:35:24 PM

Quote from: Vycid on June 22, 2013, 11:29:34 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 22, 2013, 11:26:52 PM

Probably not important for you, but it is for me.

Chill out dude, we've got thousands riding on this too. Take a deep breath and worry about something else.

(Or are you planning to execute your own chip order today? Why would you make such a large purchase so long after the chips were announced?)

Of course I want to, thats why I am so anxious. I did not have any money earlier on. I have now. If all the chips are being manufactured together, then I would order Avalon. If its in batches, and I am looking at a September delivery, then I would invest in KNC.

It is FAR more likely Avalon will deliver in one batch than KNC will deliver before December.

Source for your speculation?

Care to explain why Avalon should deliver at the same time one order placed TODAY and one placed on April, 16th?

I guess you know TSMC has a very standard lead time of 8 to 12 weeks from order to delivery, depending on both the characteristics of your order and their current workload. Why Avalon should be waiting for OP's chips to send the order to TSMC? Or maybe you are implying that Avalon just ordered chips in excess to accommodate later orders with a timely delivery?

Very unlikely, they never said they would do that.

The logic is simple. Avalon has proven chips being made by the largest semiconductor foundry in the world.

KNCMiner has vague promises about making a 22nm chip (the current state of the art for companies like Intel) and getting miners manufactured in an EXTREMELY short timescale. The mass-manufacturing aspect has resulted in difficulties for both BFL and Avalon.

As for TSMC and their lead times - most of that lead-time is due to mask fab. Once the full mask set is done and the wafer flows set up, the lead time for each additional wafer is quite short. Assuming that the lead time would be the same for a second batch is extremely naive.

The biggest wildcard for TSMC is hot lots from big customers pushing back the order. But that'd be variability of only a few days to a week.

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Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:32:21 PM

Thanks for the reply. So are you saying that you are not refunding Chip Orders because you sell the Bitcoins immediately and use the money to pay to the foundry? Can you then explain this: https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU ?

This is the BTC address where all the bitcoins from all the Chip Orders are routed to. You have not even touched a single bitcoin yet!

They can be spending out of a different account... or... that account with the chip sales isn't theirs. They have sold it to an investor who converts to fiat for them. There are several options as to how they could be funding chip sales immediately.

It is a bit sad that B3 won't get some time to earn a return on investment before chips start flowing... as it looks like some folks will be getting their B3 after chips have been sent (and have turned into clone miners). Yifu is in a hard spot with honoring chip sales, and the unanticipated manufacturing delays with B2 and B3. Offering refunds for the B3 orders is a kind gesture that is above and beyond.

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Quote from: BitSyncom on June 23, 2013, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

Thanks for the reply. So are you saying that you are not refunding Chip Orders because you sell the Bitcoins immediately and use the money to pay to the foundry? Can you then explain this: https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU ?

This is the BTC address where all the bitcoins from all the Chip Orders are routed to. You have not even touched a single bitcoin yet!

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Quote from: gill83 on June 23, 2013, 10:05:06 PM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

we opened refunding option for batch #3 order since it is quite delayed, batch 2 is shipping and should be finished shipping in the end of the month, then batch #3 is to start right after, we are not refunding chip orders since the coins gets sold and is used to pay for chip order at foundry, canceling is not really possible.

but essentially we put in order for chips every week, by early July the chips that were ordered when we opened orders should be out the door by then.

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Quote from: jspielberg on June 23, 2013, 03:44:43 PM

If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

Has anyone ever requested and got back a refund from Avalon?

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Quote from: Micky25 on June 23, 2013, 04:19:36 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 23, 2013, 02:55:08 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on June 23, 2013, 02:31:07 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 23, 2013, 01:01:35 PM

Or sack that, why don't you just wait and reevaluate come September?

It's their race,it doesn't have to become yours! Keep your head man!!

Because betting on a horse that already won is pointless?

Rrrriiiiggght, so you think this is solely about quickly making as much cash as possible on ASIC development, and nothing about securing the Bitcoin network, therefore adding more value and laying a stronger underlying foundation to the Bitcoin network's security?

2-3months is a hell of a long time with genuine new entrants arriving weekly, increasing hashrate and lowering the chance of ROI for all those already with funds tied up in pre-orders, There may well be more chance to profit later than the expense now, really. The current players will have to alter their pricing startergy sooner, or later to reman competitive, and they sure as hell won't do it whilst they owe investors an already present backlog of orders, or that will piss off their crop of investors!

Be honest, in your opinion, how many are left here for the purpose of the well-being of the Bitcoin network? This libertarian dream had been corrupted and shattered months ago. Some nerds and early adopters still hold on to it, because they have a bunch of spare BTC in their pockets, out of sheer luck or a head start on information, making it easy to hurl these BTCs around in every available investment possibility. In my opinion, the most that got in lately, are simply here to make money and jump on a train, that already took up steam heavily.

For them, it's not about making as much cash as possible, but to get out even on their invest, or to make any cash at all.

Well in that case we'll have to see what happens to all these ASICs after people break even, and the Bitcoin network once it becomes less profitable than some anticipated.

Micky25

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 23, 2013, 02:55:08 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on June 23, 2013, 02:31:07 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 23, 2013, 01:01:35 PM

Or sack that, why don't you just wait and reevaluate come September?

It's their race,it doesn't have to become yours! Keep your head man!!

Because betting on a horse that already won is pointless?

Rrrriiiiggght, so you think this is solely about quickly making as much cash as possible on ASIC development, and nothing about securing the Bitcoin network, therefore adding more value and laying a stronger underlying foundation to the Bitcoin network's security?

2-3months is a hell of a long time with genuine new entrants arriving weekly, increasing hashrate and lowering the chance of ROI for all those already with funds tied up in pre-orders, There may well be more chance to profit later than the expense now, really. The current players will have to alter their pricing startergy sooner, or later to reman competitive, and they sure as hell won't do it whilst they owe investors an already present backlog of orders, or that will piss off their crop of investors!

Be honest, in your opinion, how many are left here for the purpose of the well-being of the Bitcoin network? This libertarian dream had been corrupted and shattered months ago. Some nerds and early adopters still hold on to it, because they have a bunch of spare BTC in their pockets, out of sheer luck or a head start on information, making it easy to hurl these BTCs around in every available investment possibility. In my opinion, the most that got in lately, are simply here to make money and jump on a train, that already took up steam heavily.

For them, it's not about making as much cash as possible, but to get out even on their invest, or to make any cash at all.

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If anyone doesn't like Bitsyncom's terms, it looks like contrary to their original messaging, they are allowing full refunds.
You just need to create a support ticket and put "REFUND" as the type of the ticket.

So far as I know... no one has taken them up on this offer even though some folks have been complaining about the shipment delays for months.

If you are feeling like you need to hedge... you can order the batch of chips and hope they arrive together.

If they don't arrive in your "window" of opportunity, submit a refund request.
Worst case, they either give back your BTC, or they escalate your order.... my guess would be the former.

I guess worst worst case is they don't ship your chips and they don't refund your BTC... but I don't think they could withstand the negative fallout of that option.
Just make sure to order from a wallet you control and can validate.

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