Well, guys, we thought that the whole idea of running a campaign is to show users of the forums our signatures. If the users hiring into campaign get their payments, then what is wrong? We are not going to scam anybody here.
Concerning trust parameter. We have checked other managers and while some of them have green trust they have much more red feedback in the untrusted feedback category than lolxxxx. Moreover, lolxxxx has quite good feedback from some established businesses. Right now, as the campaign is open this user is doing his job well, he is on connection with us and we are discussing this whole situation. Quality of the posters is important but our manager doesn't hire everybody who has applied. Aren't these good signs?
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
Topic: BitWhisk.io ✦ new Bitcoin mixing service ✦ testers evaluations - page 2. (Read 1865 times)
Although we are going a bit off-topic here, I feel it's still valid, as this is an evaluation thread for a service/site that you wanted feedback for.
Signature campaigns are effective, yes. But they are only as effective as the users that are a part of that campaign. Generally speaking, you're not going to find much use for 25 users to be a part of your campaign if the majority of them are 3rd-world shitposters that spam the wrong parts of the forum. The areas in which your participants post need to target your services. Chance are that Bitcoin Discussion doesn't warrant the need to display your ad, as it's generally filled with 3rd-world sig spammers who don't see a value in mixing coins, as their only goal is to cash out their earnings every week.
Honestly, if I were you, I would kill your signature campaign, and start a thread where you're looking to find [up to] 10 substantial members of this forum that you're willing to pay. Given that you're spending about 0.4BTC for two weeks, I'd rather take that and offer 0.01BTC per week for a month for up to 10 participants. Full Member and up only.
Mixers are very important to privacy, and with the shutdown of BitMixer, we've been seeing a lot popping up... Given that your UI is so clean, and your userflow is excellent, there's no reason why you shouldn't be one of the top competing mixers in this space. But perception is everything. Everything.
Unfortunately, after seeing that you hired a campaign manager without doing your homework has actually damaged my perception of your company. All of a sudden, it doesn't feel reputable or trustworthy, but rather one that seems like it will do anything to get the word out, even if that means hiring the bad actors in the crypto world that don't have any integrity. You simply cannot associate yourself with these types of members of the crypto world.
Aww, shit, BitWhisk, I had so much hope for you, but actions mean everything here, and I hate to say that you haven't made the right ones so far, other than this thread.
Signature campaigns are effective, yes. But they are only as effective as the users that are a part of that campaign. Generally speaking, you're not going to find much use for 25 users to be a part of your campaign if the majority of them are 3rd-world shitposters that spam the wrong parts of the forum. The areas in which your participants post need to target your services. Chance are that Bitcoin Discussion doesn't warrant the need to display your ad, as it's generally filled with 3rd-world sig spammers who don't see a value in mixing coins, as their only goal is to cash out their earnings every week.
Honestly, if I were you, I would kill your signature campaign, and start a thread where you're looking to find [up to] 10 substantial members of this forum that you're willing to pay. Given that you're spending about 0.4BTC for two weeks, I'd rather take that and offer 0.01BTC per week for a month for up to 10 participants. Full Member and up only.
Mixers are very important to privacy, and with the shutdown of BitMixer, we've been seeing a lot popping up... Given that your UI is so clean, and your userflow is excellent, there's no reason why you shouldn't be one of the top competing mixers in this space. But perception is everything. Everything.
Unfortunately, after seeing that you hired a campaign manager without doing your homework has actually damaged my perception of your company. All of a sudden, it doesn't feel reputable or trustworthy, but rather one that seems like it will do anything to get the word out, even if that means hiring the bad actors in the crypto world that don't have any integrity. You simply cannot associate yourself with these types of members of the crypto world.
Aww, shit, BitWhisk, I had so much hope for you, but actions mean everything here, and I hate to say that you haven't made the right ones so far, other than this thread.
Yes, we understand your concerns, we started our campaign couple of days ago.
Yikes. I'm not so sure you do understand my concerns. I'm not so sure you understand what reasonable concerns should be in this scenario, either. Unfortunately the very first thing I see when I click that link is :
Code:
Trust: -16: -4 / +0
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
That is not a comforting sign when a new service is popping it's head into the market. The campaign manager you have selected for your campaign is somebody that has been banned in the past. This is a new account they have created, and thus they are evading a currently standing ban. What this means for you, is that your account manager could very easily disappear at any moment. Ban evasion is a banable offense AFAIK, so if they do get banned I wouldn't expect your funds to be returned; Especially considering the fact that their original ban was due to begging through unsolicited PMs.
Out of pure curiosity, what criteria were considered when choosing a manager for your signature campaign? I'm wondering if you have read these threads or any other threads in accusation or connection to your manager -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ume-is-evading-his-ban-was-banned-for-begging-1528178
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ume-sent-a-message-for-begging-before-selling-me-this-account-1073373
It seems rather hypocritical that you cannot have negative trust in order to be a participant in the signature campaign, however the campaign manager has multiple, valid negative trusts. I presume you are paying this user, so I can only think to ask one question; why?
Originally there was a merit requirement on this thread, but that was removed and I can't imagine a reason other than it being similarly hypocritical, as the manager has never received merit, either.
For example, I just took a peek at a single accepted campaign participate jakezyrus (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jakezyrus-1080167) and what I found should not make you happy in the slightest. They have never received a single merit point, which can be overlooked if their posting habits are just being overlooked by those without merit to give. This is not the case though, because a look through their most recent posts shows their last 3-posts (linked below) are all the 1000th+ reply in a megathread, buried deep within the depths in spam. One of them is actually the 2500th+ reply, so that's even more egregious. Spoiler alert, their posts don't get better as you keep digging. Would any one of their posts be the type of post or the type of exposure you are looking to accrue or pay for?
In fact, not a single one of the accepted participants have received a single merit since it has been implemented. This should stand out when you have multiple hero members posting in your campaign. One of the accepted participants has only posted twice in the past 3-months and one of the posts was their application to your campaign.
The lack of judgement here is really off-putting from my perspective. I would have liked to have seen a more reputable manager, accepting higher quality participants with less hypocritical and more discriminatory rules/criteria. In my opinion, it is much better to be extremely selective in this process. This is your business, and I'm sure you would like to see it succeed; you will do more harm than good if you allow this signature campaign, with this manager and these participants play out as it currently is. I'm honestly here to help you and be as straightforward as I possibly can. What questions and criteria did you use to set-up the framework for this signature campaign?
The biggest question here is : Do you see anything I have mentioned as a problem?
For what it is worth, the delay worked and the custom fee worked as well. I like that you have set a maximum fee of 3%, because that saves anybody from accidentally giving you an absurd fee on accident. Your website has been very user friendly so far, and I've received back my coins without fault.
I have to admit that I was extremely skeptical at first, but I'm looking forward to seeing your site develop further and participate in future testing if need be. The way you performed testing was very generous and interesting.
I have to admit that I was extremely skeptical at first, but I'm looking forward to seeing your site develop further and participate in future testing if need be. The way you performed testing was very generous and interesting.
Thanks for testing, Bill.
I have my reservations and will most likely not have this as my primary mixer, for simple reasons such as the maximum is too low and this gives me a bit of a concern still. The idea that there is such limited funds involved in this project makes me fear that it may vanish at any time. The signature campaign will ease these concerns a bit, because the funds required for that are quite significant if you're running a campaign to any worthwhile degree. I think an increase in funds, maximum mix and forum presence in the form of a signature campaign without low-quality participants would go a long way towards increasing your reputation.
Yes, we understand your concerns, we started our campaign couple of days ago.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
For what it is worth, the delay worked and the custom fee worked as well. I like that you have set a maximum fee of 3%, because that saves anybody from accidentally giving you an absurd fee on accident. Your website has been very user friendly so far, and I've received back my coins without fault.
I have to admit that I was extremely skeptical at first, but I'm looking forward to seeing your site develop further and participate in future testing if need be. The way you performed testing was very generous and interesting.
I have my reservations and will most likely not have this as my primary mixer, for simple reasons such as the maximum is too low and this gives me a bit of a concern still. The idea that there is such limited funds involved in this project makes me fear that it may vanish at any time. The signature campaign will ease these concerns a bit, because the funds required for that are quite significant if you're running a campaign to any worthwhile degree. I think an increase in funds, maximum mix and forum presence in the form of a signature campaign without low-quality participants would go a long way towards increasing your reputation.
I have to admit that I was extremely skeptical at first, but I'm looking forward to seeing your site develop further and participate in future testing if need be. The way you performed testing was very generous and interesting.
I have my reservations and will most likely not have this as my primary mixer, for simple reasons such as the maximum is too low and this gives me a bit of a concern still. The idea that there is such limited funds involved in this project makes me fear that it may vanish at any time. The signature campaign will ease these concerns a bit, because the funds required for that are quite significant if you're running a campaign to any worthwhile degree. I think an increase in funds, maximum mix and forum presence in the form of a signature campaign without low-quality participants would go a long way towards increasing your reputation.
If you are still in need of testers let me know if I would be accepted to try.
Are you still giving the bounty base amount to test your service?
Are you still giving the bounty base amount to test your service?
Dear Paractor, it is a pity you came too late.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
Are you still in need of testers?
Dear Sellingaccs, of course, it would be great if you test the service.
If you are still in need of testers let me know if I would be accepted to try.
Are you still giving the bounty base amount to test your service?
Are you still in need of testers?
Dear Sellingaccs, of course, it would be great if you test the service.
How much would i have to pay in fees to mix, as i'd try with few mBTC, so i'd like to know how much in tx fees i have to pay and service fee in total.
Generally speaking, you choose service commission, it varies from 0.5 to 3 percents. You also control miner's fee rate for outcoming transactions. The total fee is thus estimated via calculator provided to you on the order page, feel free to use it.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
Are you still in need of testers?
I know im just a Jr. Member, but im willing to try with my own coins.
How much would i have to pay in fees to mix, as i'd try with few mBTC, so i'd like to know how much in tx fees i have to pay and service fee in total.
I know im just a Jr. Member, but im willing to try with my own coins.
How much would i have to pay in fees to mix, as i'd try with few mBTC, so i'd like to know how much in tx fees i have to pay and service fee in total.
Dear Bill and Joe,
we are glad to obtain such nice reviews from you! Today we have started our official ann thread and quoted both of you there. So, the testing time has mainly passed.
We have a lot of plans for future development, including introducing another mixing mode and adding more cryptocurrencies. However, we need more coins in the reserve for that purpose. Hope our future signature campaign will attract some investors from the forum.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
we are glad to obtain such nice reviews from you! Today we have started our official ann thread and quoted both of you there. So, the testing time has mainly passed.
We have a lot of plans for future development, including introducing another mixing mode and adding more cryptocurrencies. However, we need more coins in the reserve for that purpose. Hope our future signature campaign will attract some investors from the forum.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
After the 5hr delay I configured for this tumble, I have received my coins with no issues. I used a nested SegWit address to fund the mix, and received it to a nested SegWit address, as well. I went to check the status of my order after my coins were sent to me, and I’m glad to know that there was no reference to the order on your servers. After utilizing the service once, I must say that it is an extremely simple service to use; it’s the simplest out of all the mixers I have previously used.
Needless to say, but I will anyways: I have added this to the list of mixers that I use on a regular basis.
No need to send me any rewards for providing my experience. I just hope that this service is a continued one, and a profitable venture for you. You’ve got my vouch, so I hope you truly take the opportunity to gain some trust and reputation! Great addition to the privacy aspect of bitcoin!
Needless to say, but I will anyways: I have added this to the list of mixers that I use on a regular basis.
No need to send me any rewards for providing my experience. I just hope that this service is a continued one, and a profitable venture for you. You’ve got my vouch, so I hope you truly take the opportunity to gain some trust and reputation! Great addition to the privacy aspect of bitcoin!
Wow, a lot of activity for the past week. Will be glad to answer all questions.
We have been doing updates on the server that time
Looks like a coincidence: you clicked "Accept" button right at the moment when we were changing the backend code. It is the only reason I can think of.
Let me explain, the calculator is aimed to help you to configure the order, e.g. set the proper percent distribution (if you need a specific amount transferred to some of the addresses) etc. It is completely optional, we do not send to server the values of calculator input fields. It does not play any role in the order registration. Moreover, we do not need to know the exact amount of coins you are going to send to our wallet. You can send anything between minimum and maximum constraints.
Hence, the answer on your last question is "definetely, yes"
Dear EthanB, first of all we are glad you didn't come across and decided to test our service with your own coins, thanks. It is truly encouraging for us.
This review campaign lasts for more than a month now. First time, people took our coins, tested mixer and posted reviews, but the last two weeks something has changed: 4-5 persons took btc from us and disappeared. We still have some people that promised to test the service and post a review and we hope they'll do so. Still, this review campaign is coming to an end.
The main (and the only one) problem with our service is that we do not have enough coins in the reserve (otherwise, of course, I would send you these 0.001BTC). However, we do not lose heart and very soon we will run a signature campaign for two weeks and try to attract some investors. Yes, yes, I understand it may sound hopeless, but we really put a lot of effort in creating this service. We designed it with love and passion and want to be active on the market. Hence, lets see what results this future sig campaign brings.
Yes, during this month we have implemented a lot of things and improved the service a bit.
In particular, we support receiving from and sending to bech32 (see BitCryptex second review).
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
I have tried to send some bitcoin for testing, but I cannot get past the popup dialogue that asks me to confirm that the address will only be valid for 24 hours. I am on an iPad, and nothing happens when I click the “Accept” button, nor when I click the “x” to close out the dialogue.
I just refreshed the page and tried again. This time it was successful. I have set a delay of 5 hours for my $10 transaction. I will update this thread again once the tumbling is complete and I receive the chips to the address I provided.
I just refreshed the page and tried again. This time it was successful. I have set a delay of 5 hours for my $10 transaction. I will update this thread again once the tumbling is complete and I receive the chips to the address I provided.
We have been doing updates on the server that time
Looks like a coincidence: you clicked "Accept" button right at the moment when we were changing the backend code. It is the only reason I can think of.
A quick note: what is the point of adding the amount before the payment screen? The payment screen just instructs me to send a minimum/maximum amount of bitcoin, which is contradictory to the btc amount field in the previous screen. Is it just a reference to see what our return will be after the mixing procedure?
Let me explain, the calculator is aimed to help you to configure the order, e.g. set the proper percent distribution (if you need a specific amount transferred to some of the addresses) etc. It is completely optional, we do not send to server the values of calculator input fields. It does not play any role in the order registration. Moreover, we do not need to know the exact amount of coins you are going to send to our wallet. You can send anything between minimum and maximum constraints.
Hence, the answer on your last question is "definetely, yes"
Hello! I've recently used .001 BTC from a Nested SegWit address (3 Address) and it made it back to me successfully. I had no problem setting my own fee, getting a custom delay and I made it through the UI on the website without flaw. The fees are minimal, and the mixing looks pretty solid as well. I don't know if you are handing out rewards for using your service as you have mentioned to Joe, but I thought it would be nice to use your service for my own tests and report back here.
Dear EthanB, first of all we are glad you didn't come across and decided to test our service with your own coins, thanks. It is truly encouraging for us.
This review campaign lasts for more than a month now. First time, people took our coins, tested mixer and posted reviews, but the last two weeks something has changed: 4-5 persons took btc from us and disappeared. We still have some people that promised to test the service and post a review and we hope they'll do so. Still, this review campaign is coming to an end.
The main (and the only one) problem with our service is that we do not have enough coins in the reserve (otherwise, of course, I would send you these 0.001BTC). However, we do not lose heart and very soon we will run a signature campaign for two weeks and try to attract some investors. Yes, yes, I understand it may sound hopeless, but we really put a lot of effort in creating this service. We designed it with love and passion and want to be active on the market. Hence, lets see what results this future sig campaign brings.
I have not yet tried a Native SegWit address, is this something that your service has implemented?
Yes, during this month we have implemented a lot of things and improved the service a bit.
In particular, we support receiving from and sending to bech32 (see BitCryptex second review).
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
Sorry for my absence; I’m just going back through my list of subscribed threads and coming back to this. I know it won’t be a problem, but I’ll mix a few coins using a nested P2SH SegWit address and post the results here. 3MCJBtW2uhvm7BJMtc4yxQUhGKoqD7q12x
I'm in a similar boat to Joe. I haven't forgotten about you guys either. I was around for the initial round of testing I believe and I wrote up a nice review about how enjoyable the UI looked on mobile devices (iOS, more specifically). I have also come back to mix some coins through your service, because it's unfortunate that you gave people coins specifically to test Nested SegWit addresses and nobody did so. I sent .002 through, with a delay and a custom fee. No problems thus far, very clean, very responsive and transparent. I can really see you guys becoming a bigger name in this niche. I would like to see a bigger maximum mix, but I can understand that you're working with limited capital from the beginning. I wouldn't mind accepting a reward, but I certainly am not expecting one, either.
Hello! I've recently used .001 BTC from a Nested SegWit address (3 Address) and it made it back to me successfully. I had no problem setting my own fee, getting a custom delay and I made it through the UI on the website without flaw. The fees are minimal, and the mixing looks pretty solid as well. I don't know if you are handing out rewards for using your service as you have mentioned to Joe, but I thought it would be nice to use your service for my own tests and report back here. I have not yet tried a Native SegWit address, is this something that your service has implemented?
I sent .001 and received back .00097784. I want to test a higher amount, with varying delays, addresses and other settings. I just do not want to eat too much of my personal funds to do so. So far though, very nice!
I sent .001 and received back .00097784. I want to test a higher amount, with varying delays, addresses and other settings. I just do not want to eat too much of my personal funds to do so. So far though, very nice!
I have tried to send some bitcoin for testing, but I cannot get past the popup dialogue that asks me to confirm that the address will only be valid for 24 hours. I am on an iPad, and nothing happens when I click the “Accept” button, nor when I click the “x” to close out the dialogue.
I just refreshed the page and tried again. This time it was successful. I have set a delay of 5 hours for my $10 transaction. I will update this thread again once the tumbling is complete and I receive the chips to the address I provided.
A quick note: what is the point of adding the amount before the payment screen? The payment screen just instructs me to send a minimum/maximum amount of bitcoin, which is contradictory to the btc amount field in the previous screen. Is it just a reference to see what our return will be after the mixing procedure?
I just refreshed the page and tried again. This time it was successful. I have set a delay of 5 hours for my $10 transaction. I will update this thread again once the tumbling is complete and I receive the chips to the address I provided.
A quick note: what is the point of adding the amount before the payment screen? The payment screen just instructs me to send a minimum/maximum amount of bitcoin, which is contradictory to the btc amount field in the previous screen. Is it just a reference to see what our return will be after the mixing procedure?
Dear BTCforJoe, I am glad you didn't forget our thread. If possible, please mix your own coins (no need to risk a big amount, we have very low minimum incomes, just in case) and leave a feedback here. After that I will send you some reward to 3MCJBtW2uhvm7BJMtc4yxQUhGKoqD7q12x. I hope it is allright for you.
Thanks for advice about trust reports.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
Thanks for advice about trust reports.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
Sorry for my absence; I’m just going back through my list of subscribed threads and coming back to this. I know it won’t be a problem, but I’ll mix a few coins using a nested P2SH SegWit address and post the results here. 3MCJBtW2uhvm7BJMtc4yxQUhGKoqD7q12x If you’re still sending test coins. Otherwise, please let me know and I’ll use my own coins. I could understand that you’ve been burned by some dishonest members.
You should leave them negative trust, btw. That type of behavior is exactly why the trust system exists here.
You should leave them negative trust, btw. That type of behavior is exactly why the trust system exists here.
I was given another 1 mBTC to test bech32 transactions and I am glad to say that everything works perfect. BitWhisk.io didn't have any problem with receiving from my bech32 address and then sending to another one. Everything went smooth and I got my mixed coins after a moment.
Thank you for testing and posting review, dear BitCryptex.
TBH, we are quite disappointed by the results of the last testing round. We gave coins to five persons, four of them with high reputation, and only two mixes were accomplished and one review written (by you). Hence, thanks for your honesty.
Best regards,
BitWhisk.io
I was given another 1 mBTC to test bech32 transactions and I am glad to say that everything works perfect. BitWhisk.io didn't have any problem with receiving from my bech32 address and then sending to another one. Everything went smooth and I got my mixed coins after a moment.
Hello BitWhisk.io team,
I would be glad to test your service once again. I was the person who proposed implementing support of bech32 addresses. If possible, I would like to test it using my native SegWit address.
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You are improving your service really fast, keep going!
I would be glad to test your service once again. I was the person who proposed implementing support of bech32 addresses. If possible, I would like to test it using my native SegWit address.
bc1q038eelakz9xm2d8kuy8gx9fuy0t547ncqlnc56
You are improving your service really fast, keep going!
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