FYI it should be noted they are actually operating out of Shenzen.
B1607 Saige Building,
Shenzhen, China, 518000
AMT CEO Joshua Zipkin had mentioned this at one point and Gleb Gamow also connected the dots. It is likley the CEOs of the two companies are just mining with the hardware built seeing as I and others have exposed evidence of AMT doing the same thing. And chances are if BA is working with AMT, then all this is likely. Of course this is a self modded thread so I dont expect it to last. I suggest someone take it and quote it in a user thread or elsewhere. use web.archive.org as well to mirror it and point to anything incriminating.
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It's definitely game over for BA now even if they do manage to pull out of this. The X1 can't compete with the new U3.
https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141017110427977rQGR3pcf06BE
https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141017110427977rQGR3pcf06BE
A solution would be all of us to gather and discuss this somewhere else because here are eyes watching, and plan our next move. The more the better
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The names you should mention in this case are Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77
Who is this person ? This man is not english, he's originating from Romania not UK. We must contact some lawyers as soon as possible, Do not give up on your money, because that's what they want
I also had a surprise last night. With no prior notice or tracking number my other two X1's arrived from Minersource. Ordered and paid for in mid December.
ROI on them is about 2 years. Guess its time to try to unload them or solo/solo-pool and try and get lucky.
You'd have to be really, really lucky. At 100GH/s your average generation time for a solo block is over 47-1/2 years.ROI on them is about 2 years. Guess its time to try to unload them or solo/solo-pool and try and get lucky.
Unfortunately, even your 2-year projection to break even is hopelessly optimistic - unless you have free electricity, your power costs will exceed your earnings after just a few more difficulty jumps.
BA has well and truly fucked us.
I also had a surprise last night. With no prior notice or tracking number my other two X1's arrived from Minersource. Ordered and paid for in mid December.
ROI on them is about 2 years. Guess its time to try to unload them or solo/solo-pool and try and get lucky.
ROI on them is about 2 years. Guess its time to try to unload them or solo/solo-pool and try and get lucky.
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Truth_Seeker, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:20 PM, said:
I suggest everyone makes a police report ASAP.
Links:
Hong Kong police cyber crime department because their corps are in Hong Kong
https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php
If you paid to a UK bank account, report it to UK Action Fraud
http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
The names you should mention in this case are Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77
The bank information of black arrow is as follows:
Beneficiary company name: Destino LIMITED
Beneficiary company address: Edwards Place, 240 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 4NY, United Kingdom
Message to beneficiary: >>> fill in here your order number. For exampleOrder #3333 <<<
Beneficiary bank name: Metro Bank
Beneficiary bank address: 201 Broad Street Mall, Reading, RG 1 7QA, United Kingdom
Beneficiary country: United Kingdom
Swift code: MYMBGB2LXXX
Please select your preferred currency on our website in order to obtain the total amount of your order and pay to one of these accounts:
EUR Account Number: 13633018, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB31MYMB23058013633018
USD Account number: 13633045, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB78MYMB23058013633045
GBP Account Number: 13631317, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB77MYMB23058013631317
I suggest everyone do this before they delete my post because this forum is owned by them!
I suggest everyone makes a police report ASAP.
Links:
Hong Kong police cyber crime department because their corps are in Hong Kong
https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php
If you paid to a UK bank account, report it to UK Action Fraud
http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
The names you should mention in this case are Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77
The bank information of black arrow is as follows:
Beneficiary company name: Destino LIMITED
Beneficiary company address: Edwards Place, 240 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 4NY, United Kingdom
Message to beneficiary: >>> fill in here your order number. For exampleOrder #3333 <<<
Beneficiary bank name: Metro Bank
Beneficiary bank address: 201 Broad Street Mall, Reading, RG 1 7QA, United Kingdom
Beneficiary country: United Kingdom
Swift code: MYMBGB2LXXX
Please select your preferred currency on our website in order to obtain the total amount of your order and pay to one of these accounts:
EUR Account Number: 13633018, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB31MYMB23058013633018
USD Account number: 13633045, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB78MYMB23058013633045
GBP Account Number: 13631317, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB77MYMB23058013631317
I suggest everyone do this before they delete my post because this forum is owned by them!
The Hong Kong police are already investigating, but the more reports against BA, the better.
Report them now before they send you a worthless (or even dangerous) miner and then claim you gifted it to them if you refuse delivery.
So did I. I then requested a refund in April, which they approved, but asked me to wait until shipping started.
In August, after shipping had started, they said there would be no refunds.
Yet somehow we customers are to blame for keeping them busy with our complaints and making their sensitive engineers cry with our criticism.
Please, please report your case to the Hong Kong police, using the above link. Then the police will have one more complaint on top of the pile of others. And they will act on them.
Do it soon, before BA deletes another 50 pages of posts from this thread again.
In August, after shipping had started, they said there would be no refunds.
Yet somehow we customers are to blame for keeping them busy with our complaints and making their sensitive engineers cry with our criticism.
Please, please report your case to the Hong Kong police, using the above link. Then the police will have one more complaint on top of the pile of others. And they will act on them.
Do it soon, before BA deletes another 50 pages of posts from this thread again.
Where is the Hong Kong police link ?
I was told I would be refunded for my X3 in Feb. 7 months later and I've heard nothing.
Me neither, i'm already looking for lawyers in their region because it's crystal clear that this is the only way I will get my X-3 Money back. It's not 100$ it's frikin' 6000
What about the address you list on your invoices,
Black Arrow LTD
Room 1701, 17/F, Henan Building, No. 90-92 Jaffe Road
Wanchai, N/A
Is that just a mailbox?
Black Arrow LTD
Room 1701, 17/F, Henan Building, No. 90-92 Jaffe Road
Wanchai, N/A
Is that just a mailbox?
China? HongKong? Reading home address?
Think he might take time out of his "busy schedule" to tell us what the hell is going on with OUR money that so FAR i have seen nothing but Lies and broken promises.
Think he might take time out of his "busy schedule" to tell us what the hell is going on with OUR money that so FAR i have seen nothing but Lies and broken promises.
You are welcome to come visit. Saying so before hand might be a good idea as people are running all over the place most of the time. You can contact me if you like.
As it is clearly posted on our website I did not think the address was needed, but here you go.
5A03, Building 1, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
China? HongKong? Reading home address?
Think he might take time out of his "busy schedule" to tell us what the hell is going on with OUR money that so FAR i have seen nothing but Lies and broken promises.
Think he might take time out of his "busy schedule" to tell us what the hell is going on with OUR money that so FAR i have seen nothing but Lies and broken promises.
You are welcome to come visit. Saying so before hand might be a good idea as people are running all over the place most of the time. You can contact me if you like.
how do you mean?
Im not sure what part of it you are unsure about..?
I mean. Did they ever pay you actual money? Or are you working on vapor-promises from the the so called "management" or "everyone" ...
How many people are in this so called management? - I mean, I'v emailed with a couple of - no offence - but close to being retarded support people.. who got no fucking clue how to do customer care or customer support. But there has to be some not-so-fucking-dumb-that-they-cant-even-manage-to-answer-a-fucking-simple-question-as-in "where are my LCD displays?" ....
Christ... When is your loyalty going to end? When the cops come knocking on your door charging you with money laundering and chrimes related to theft? ... cause your so called "management" wont take the hit. Thats for damn sure. They'll put it all on the small guys, and that - again, no offence - is you.
I thought you meant the boss that is apparently nowhere to be found. Which I did not understand as he just at the office.
Regarding me, this has already been discussed on ecointalk. http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-black-arrow-weekly-production-update/?p=19680
08 Sept 2014: X3 Power supply recall
There have been reports that some X3s are failing. We have located this problem to be caused by the power supply.
Please note that this power supply is not manufactured by Black Arrow and has been purchased from a company in Shenzhen which sold it to us as CE certified.
After thorough investigations the power supply company has reached the conclusion that there are 3 major issues in this PSU and any PSU can fail at any time and it not safe to use. They have currently fixed the issues and are currently testing them.
Please stop using all X3s immediately!
We are recalling the X3 power supplies. Please do not ship your X3 unit or X3 Power supply back to us right now. We will contact the X3 customers later this week with more instructions on how to arrange shipping. If you have an X3 and have not received an email from us this week please contact our customer support immediately.
There have been reports that some X3s are failing. We have located this problem to be caused by the power supply.
Please note that this power supply is not manufactured by Black Arrow and has been purchased from a company in Shenzhen which sold it to us as CE certified.
After thorough investigations the power supply company has reached the conclusion that there are 3 major issues in this PSU and any PSU can fail at any time and it not safe to use. They have currently fixed the issues and are currently testing them.
Please stop using all X3s immediately!
We are recalling the X3 power supplies. Please do not ship your X3 unit or X3 Power supply back to us right now. We will contact the X3 customers later this week with more instructions on how to arrange shipping. If you have an X3 and have not received an email from us this week please contact our customer support immediately.
According to Nemesidis, this has now changed to
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Please send not working ones for replacement, include ticket number as RMA number.
Unfortunately we cannot replace something that is sitting at your place, we need to receive it, file it and find a cause. After that, replacements will be issued. We are unable to replace units or parts, without receiving ones that has problems back. Please note that if found working, or mechanically damaged, additional charges can be applied for replacement and testing of such parts.
Unfortunately we cannot replace something that is sitting at your place, we need to receive it, file it and find a cause. After that, replacements will be issued. We are unable to replace units or parts, without receiving ones that has problems back. Please note that if found working, or mechanically damaged, additional charges can be applied for replacement and testing of such parts.
1) Recall all PSUs and tell people to unplug and RMA them.
2) If any of the PSUs actually does work, charge customers an additional fee for testing and replacement.
3) PROFIT!!!
This is complete and total bullshit.
how do you mean?
Im not sure what part of it you are unsure about..?
I mean. Did they ever pay you actual money? Or are you working on vapor-promises from the the so called "management" or "everyone" ...
How many people are in this so called management? - I mean, I'v emailed with a couple of - no offence - but close to being retarded support people.. who got no fucking clue how to do customer care or customer support. But there has to be some not-so-fucking-dumb-that-they-cant-even-manage-to-answer-a-fucking-simple-question-as-in "where are my LCD displays?" ....
Christ... When is your loyalty going to end? When the cops come knocking on your door charging you with money laundering and chrimes related to theft? ... cause your so called "management" wont take the hit. Thats for damn sure. They'll put it all on the small guys, and that - again, no offence - is you.
how do you mean?
Why is it not possible to get more than one update a month? What is so hard about communicating with your severely damaged customers???
Hopefully we should hear something
David has added to the forum at ecoin:
"I'm currently busy with an update. Just need to communicate it properly before posting it."
When asked if it will be today
"I'll do my best to get it out ASAP, but can't promise any date. It greatly depends how busy everyone is at the times I am able to contact them to decide what will be in it. "
David has added to the forum at ecoin:
"I'm currently busy with an update. Just need to communicate it properly before posting it."
When asked if it will be today
"I'll do my best to get it out ASAP, but can't promise any date. It greatly depends how busy everyone is at the times I am able to contact them to decide what will be in it. "
I love the "everyone" ... the company is run by a man who's possibly nowhere to be found..
I wonder if david ever got paid..?
how do you mean?
Hopefully we should hear something
David has added to the forum at ecoin:
"I'm currently busy with an update. Just need to communicate it properly before posting it."
When asked if it will be today
"I'll do my best to get it out ASAP, but can't promise any date. It greatly depends how busy everyone is at the times I am able to contact them to decide what will be in it. "
David has added to the forum at ecoin:
"I'm currently busy with an update. Just need to communicate it properly before posting it."
When asked if it will be today
"I'll do my best to get it out ASAP, but can't promise any date. It greatly depends how busy everyone is at the times I am able to contact them to decide what will be in it. "
I love the "everyone" ... the company is run by a man who's possibly nowhere to be found..
I wonder if david ever got paid..?
So long story short we've all been 'scammed'. Honest to god if it weren't for all the scamming and dishonesty from EVERY SINGLE investment I've made with bitcoin hardware and services, I would be pretty close to being a millionaire. Sadly and regrettably I am not. In all I have made a few quid over the years but it's absolute pittance to what I could have in my savings account right now. I'm out. BA you are the final straw.
My sentiment exactly. I will only buy from bitmain or fried cat from now on. Every one else has burned me, lied, decieved, disappeared etc. Black Arrow was supposed to be a trusted manufacturer and minersource a reputable dealer blah blah. No more trust except for those who have earned it repeatedly over many delivery cycles.
It's a wise move, but the entire exercise is to take a risk. You risked money here because there were various choices KNC, BFL, Black Arrow, and you chose the one you thought would pay off the fastest and earn you the most money. If you only go with the safest option, such as Bitmain, you might not get burned, but your profit potential is seriously diminished. It's a risk vs reward thing. This time the reward wasn't there. But if you were one of those people who risked your money on that first batch of Avalon's. Different story...
Just buy coins and wait. In some years when the halving happens again, they are going to be worth some serious money.
So long story short we've all been 'scammed'. Honest to god if it weren't for all the scamming and dishonesty from EVERY SINGLE investment I've made with bitcoin hardware and services, I would be pretty close to being a millionaire. Sadly and regrettably I am not. In all I have made a few quid over the years but it's absolute pittance to what I could have in my savings account right now. I'm out. BA you are the final straw.
My sentiment exactly. I will only buy from bitmain or fried cat from now on. Every one else has burned me, lied, decieved, disappeared etc. Black Arrow was supposed to be a trusted manufacturer and minersource a reputable dealer blah blah. No more trust except for those who have earned it repeatedly over many delivery cycles.
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