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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 259. (Read 787053 times)

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everyday i come home from work and read up on this interesting thread .. while waiting for BA's preorder to be fulfilled.  Tongue

Just thought of a new concept (no relation to any specific cases):
1) borrow money to make lots of chips and boards
2) once completed, start mining and announce 'preorder'
3) collected preorder money to repay loan, may or may not complete repayment
4) continue to mine while release news of delay
5) finally delivers, sell part of the mined coins to cover remaining loan, if any.

 Grin

Except the whole part where the chip fab confirmed the chip has not even taped out yet.
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everyday i come home from work and read up on this interesting thread .. while waiting for BA's preorder to be fulfilled.  Tongue

Just thought of a new concept (no relation to any specific cases):
1) borrow money to make lots of chips and boards
2) once completed, start mining and announce 'preorder'
3) collected preorder money to repay loan, may or may not complete repayment
4) continue to mine while release news of delay
5) finally delivers, sell part of the mined coins to cover remaining loan, if any.

 Grin
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Also, it seems that everyone has to pay electricity costs for the last 2 months of the (not so) free hosting.

How they plan on enforcing this, idk..

I just clarified this- I was incorrect. The entire 6 months will be covered for all customers. I will be updating all my info shortly.
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It seems like this is just an engineering setback which was a risk that we took with pre-orders.  If it was a straight up scam, then these people would be gone now with our money.  The only "scam" I could see right now would be minersource keeping the hardware for themselves when it comes in and I don't think that is going to happen (besides PG will be all over them! LOL).  

I am frustrated with minersource's lack of communication though.  I emailed about my 3 x-1's in their old order database (batch 1) about a week ago and still no response.



^^^always one of the initial reactions during the long con^^^
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It seems like this is just an engineering setback which was a risk that we took with pre-orders.  If it was a straight up scam, then these people would be gone now with our money.  The only "scam" I could see right now would be minersource keeping the hardware for themselves when it comes in and I don't think that is going to happen (besides PG will be all over them! LOL).  

I am frustrated with minersource's lack of communication though.  I emailed about my 3 x-1's in their old order database (batch 1) about a week ago and still no response.

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What are the facts currently, does he have a facility with miners hashing away?
Has he ripped off anyone for BTC or USD at this point?

It might be all fun to point out a variety of posts made in the past and forgotten and not updated or revised but really where is there any evidence from his customers that he is ripping them off?

Again what does this have to do with Black Arrow miners? Way off topic is it?

Matt Carson is their number one reseller vetted by Black Arrow. If I vetted Pirateat40 and stuck with him till the end, what kinda light would be shown on me?

BTW, you never thanked me when I stood behind you during that exchange between you and Josh, but you're welcome nonetheless.
At this time to be fair there is no evidence of foul play by black arrow. Matt can be vetted by BA - there is nothing wrong with that.
However, by whom BA is vetted?
I find strange that he is does not provide his name and lastname. Almost all asic manufacture has such info.
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better everyday ♥
I have received confirmation from Verisilicon directly that they are indeed working on a chip for Blackarrow and are a few days away from tape out. I can post a screenshot later.

THIS ^^^
is some information.  Awaiting the screenshot.

Finally something substantial.

Hard to sift through all the noise in this thread.
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I have received confirmation from Verisilicon directly that they are indeed working on a chip for Blackarrow and are a few days away from tape out. I can post a screenshot later.

Thanks for doing this, nice to have some confirmation outside of me Smiley
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I have received confirmation from Verisilicon directly that they are indeed working on a chip for Blackarrow and are a few days away from tape out. I can post a screenshot later.

THIS ^^^
is some information.  Awaiting the screenshot.
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Somebody quote me, please.
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Somebody quote me, please. I mean my post a couple posts up, not this one.

Trololol...
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Im defiantly no sock puppet.

Defiance is good.
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Shenzhen, 26 September, 2013: Black Arrow is proud to announce that it has upgraded the specifications of its Minion chip to 100 Ghash (up to 128 Ghash when overclocked).

If these even exist, you should be able to link one video or one youtube link. There should be even one review.

If they even exist. Show them hashing. Do it.


Prove they even exist. I somehow bet you can not. There are absolutely NO EXCUSES. NONE.

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However what PG is doing is distracting from the real investigating to be done.

Tell us how your investigation has been going.
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What are the facts currently, does he have a facility with miners hashing away?
Has he ripped off anyone for BTC or USD at this point?

It might be all fun to point out a variety of posts made in the past and forgotten and not updated or revised but really where is there any evidence from his customers that he is ripping them off?

Again what does this have to do with Black Arrow miners? Way off topic is it? Sounds like someone is ego driven to rub Matt's rep in the shit and not ever try get to the bottom of things via a direct 1 to 1 chat on Gtalk or Teamspeak as has been offered. At this point I don't get one PG won't talk to Matt and get this resolved. He was ok travelling to see Josh get a free miner and dinner from someone we all know is a scammer vs just talking to Matt who many of us in this community have had dealings with all pretty much positive. I have yet to see anyone bring forward any evidence he is CHEATING people out of money or lying to them to get them to PURCHASE something like BFL might.
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Do you have your own custom hardware you are actually renting hashes ?
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pwnage.
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Who is doing the "real investigation" then? Who other than PG and those potentially tainted by association have posted evidence, pro or con, substantiated or otherwise, about BA?

It's hard to know what to believe, but I keep seeing PG state things that are not refuted or only partially addressed. If he is spreading libel, why have none of the "offended" parties done something about it by now? He has posted his name and address multiple times. That his posts are deleted rather than being addressed is pretty convincing evidence that there is at least some truth in some of what he says. I'm learning more about BA and associates by following information and hints in his posts than I have received directly from BA and associates. There's something not right about that.

The useless posts here are the ones (like mine) that provide no new information about BA and associates, positive or negative, and only state personal opinion. If they served no other purpose, PG's posts have drawn BA out to provide more information, and that is a good thing and I appreciate his efforts.

Its hard for me to respond to him when it makes no sence to me... Do I need to post my leases for my buildings or something? Im sorry plans change? I have been pretty upfront about my changes, but that does not mean I disclose all of my information. There is now more than a few people who have done person to person business with me, do I need each and every one of them to come in here and back up this character assassination? I have stated many many times I will do what is best for my customers- not necessarily for Black Arrow.


Also: To those that sent me PMs- I will be responding to them shortly, I just got down to a computer.

Up front my ass! I clearly shown where you claimed to moved from one small warehouse to a larger warehouse there in Rolla, MO., was bullshit, and even used your public pics to prove it, now confirmed by West over at Echo Star. Are you man enough now to state that you truly didn't pay a couple months rent, skipping out to Denver? Same true for the duplex your rented. Or do you want to go on record, right here, right now, that I'm just blowing smoke (no pun intended) up people's asses? You're call!

BTW, 6 does not equal ~150, as in how many cookie cutter similar warehouses there are in Rolla, MO: 6 = 6.

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I just got down to a computer.

Don't know what kind of shit you been smokin' there in Denver, but better let it wear off before replying to any PMs or emails, otherwise you may accidentally promise something you can't delivery. Come to think of it, there's no way you can fuck this up, thus go ahead and reply. And take a hit for me, 42 for Dank.

I never ended up moving to another warehouse in Rolla, just the one. We went right from small warehouse in rolla > denver warehouse in one move, early Jan.
We paid for every month, and if your in contact with who you should be to verify that kind of info, they will verify it. So yes, your blowing smoke up peoples asses.

And with that im done on the subject. I think people have seen im more than up front compared to most here- but lets stay on topic about BA, or about actual minersource orders.
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Who is doing the "real investigation" then? Who other than PG and those potentially tainted by association have posted evidence, pro or con, substantiated or otherwise, about BA?

It's hard to know what to believe, but I keep seeing PG state things that are not refuted or only partially addressed. If he is spreading libel, why have none of the "offended" parties done something about it by now? He has posted his name and address multiple times. That his posts are deleted rather than being addressed is pretty convincing evidence that there is at least some truth in some of what he says. I'm learning more about BA and associates by following information and hints in his posts than I have received directly from BA and associates. There's something not right about that.

The useless posts here are the ones (like mine) that provide no new information about BA and associates, positive or negative, and only state personal opinion. If they served no other purpose, PG's posts have drawn BA out to provide more information, and that is a good thing and I appreciate his efforts.

Its hard for me to respond to him when it makes no sence to me... Do I need to post my leases for my buildings or something? Im sorry plans change? I have been pretty upfront about my changes, but that does not mean I disclose all of my information. There is now more than a few people who have done person to person business with me, do I need each and every one of them to come in here and back up this character assassination? I have stated many many times I will do what is best for my customers- not necessarily for Black Arrow.


Also: To those that sent me PMs- I will be responding to them shortly, I just got down to a computer.
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Who is doing the "real investigation" then? Who other than PG and those potentially tainted by association have posted evidence, pro or con, substantiated or otherwise, about BA?

It's hard to know what to believe, but I keep seeing PG state things that are not refuted or only partially addressed. If he is spreading libel, why have none of the "offended" parties done something about it by now? He has posted his name and address multiple times. That his posts are deleted rather than being addressed is pretty convincing evidence that there is at least some truth in some of what he says. I'm learning more about BA and associates by following information and hints in his posts than I have received directly from BA and associates. There's something not right about that.

The useless posts here are the ones (like mine) that provide no new information about BA and associates, positive or negative, and only state personal opinion. If they served no other purpose, PG's posts have drawn BA out to provide more information, and that is a good thing and I appreciate his efforts.
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