Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 261.

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Quote from: DebitMe on February 12, 2014, 08:23:40 AM

Quote from: blackarrow on February 12, 2014, 07:46:39 AM

As it seems that he is doing his best to mislead our customers by claiming that we're are not genuine, we have asked Phinnaeus Gage to contact VeriSilicon to confirm if we are doing the Bitcoin mining ASIC with them. He has refused twice. As he has posted more than 170 messages here (all deleted by us) and he is replying every few seconds shows that he has a lot of spare time and writing an email to VeriSilicon would not be a time issue for him. The refusal to check if we are legit leads us to suspect that he might have a hidden agenda.

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In order to resume conversation with us, please paste the reply you've got from Verisilicon regarding our chip.

Regards!

Obviously, you have lost your fuckin' mind! I didn't contact Verisilicon because I believe there is no fuckin' way they should be releasing information about Black Arrow due to an NDA. The onus is on you to request of them to post publicly the relationship you two have with one another, along with the status and why the delay of the chip.

What I provided you has nothing to do with Verisilicon, and everything to do with who you've vetted as your resellers. You seriously don't have a clue as to how this revelation and your failure to act is going to put Black Arrow in a pickle due to cancellations of orders, do you?

Please PM me the information to do this, I will contact Verisilicon and confirm they are working on a product for you. I will then leave a write up of my experiences. I will need phone number and any information that is needed to verify your claims.

Pls update your progress.

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25% of your purchased hashing power, free of charge, from our Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 6 months.

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hmm.... I ordered 4 X-1, so I now get 25% of their hashpower, 100 GH/s, for free in the mining cloud for 6 month, or what does that mean?

blackarrow

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Progress update - 12 Feb 2014

also posted on:
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/progress-update-12-feb-2014.html
http://ecointalk.net/topic/511-progress-update-12-feb-2014/

Following customer feedback we will be posting regularly updates.

12 February 2014

1. Chip pinout complete. Received for review. We have confirmed to be ok.

2. Based on Verisilicon’s feedback we are upgrading the heatsink to the new specs

3. Improved X3 case to optimize functionality

4. Reduced the number of PCBs in X1 from 6 to 3 to improve reliability.

5. X1 hashboard has been reworked to support higher power consumption. We are now at version 3. Layout completed, starting rerouting tomorrow.

6. X3 hashboard has been redesigned due to case improvements. Completed schematics of the 3rd version of the board. Starting layout after routing of X1 board

7. Control board has been redesigned to use PCI connector instead of flat cable for improved reliability. Layout complete, rerouting tomorrow.

8. Aquired bespoke 3D printer. Initiated prototyping of new parts for improved functionality in X3.

9. Meeting with VeriSilicon

10. Tapeout reconfirmed on 20 Feb 2014

11. Package confirmed

12. Delivered all final details regarding case, heatsinks and fans, running final thermal simulation, due to be received at the end of this week

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better everyday ♥

Quote from: astronomino on February 12, 2014, 09:14:32 AM

Quote from: Syke on February 10, 2014, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: FlappySocks on February 10, 2014, 08:33:09 AM

The X1 & X3 are going to be fantastic. And that's just the beginning.

Which miner would you buy?

A) $5/gh delivered next week
B) $3/gh delivered in three months

Wow, this thread is moving fast (and about 1% of posts are actually relevant)
Anyway, Syke, I would love to know where you can buy $5/gh? AntMiners seem to be more like $24/gh which is pure garbage considering I can get $14/gh (@ $600/Bitcoin currently) at cex.io instantly hosted for me...
Is there some miner I don't know about or some secret store, or are people just pulling numbers out of their ass (as usual)?

Isn't Antminer 1.45 BTC?

So $900/200GH = $4.5/GH

Yea...stick to cex.io Tongue

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Quote from: Syke on February 10, 2014, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: FlappySocks on February 10, 2014, 08:33:09 AM

The X1 & X3 are going to be fantastic. And that's just the beginning.

Which miner would you buy?

A) $5/gh delivered next week
B) $3/gh delivered in three months

Wow, this thread is moving fast (and about 1% of posts are actually relevant)
Anyway, Syke, I would love to know where you can buy $5/gh? AntMiners seem to be more like $24/gh which is pure garbage considering I can get $14/gh (@ $600/Bitcoin currently) at cex.io instantly hosted for me...
Is there some miner I don't know about or some secret store, or are people just pulling numbers out of their ass (as usual)?

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Crypto Investor ;) @ Farmed Account Hunter

10% discount from for all Black Arrow ASIC products which you will purchase from us. The discount will be valid for any further purchases for the next 22 months (until the end of 2015).

I don't know who would be crazy enough to buy between now and May, so more like ~19 month.

Andrey

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Just read your inbox

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Dear Andrey,

Due to the delayed delivery for the Batch 1 products (previously announced on 29th of January) we would like to offer to all our Batch 1 customers an improved compensation package:

25% of your purchased hashing power, free of charge, from our Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 6 months.
10% discount from for all Black Arrow ASIC products which you will purchase from us. The discount will be valid for any further purchases for the next 22 months (until the end of 2015).
We confirm that the tapeout of the chip is scheduled to take place on 20 February 2014 and we are confident that the Batch 1 products will start shipping on 30th of April 2014. The estimated dispatch window of the whole batch is expected to be between 7 to 9 working days.

We are looking forward to a long-term partnership with our customers. For any further enquiries don’t hesitate to contact our customer service.

Regards,

The Black Arrow Team.

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Quote from: MANofthePEOPLE on February 12, 2014, 07:53:29 AM

Blackarrow can you post updates instead? For example; someone said tape-out is 20 february, does that mean you are delayed by a few more weeks? When exactly do you expact batch one to start shipping? No lies, tell it as it is.

+1

tape-out is never

MANofthePEOPLE

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Blackarrow can you post updates instead? For example; someone said tape-out is 20 february, does that mean you are delayed by a few more weeks? When exactly do you expact batch one to start shipping? No lies, tell it as it is.

blackarrow

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As it seems that he is doing his best to mislead our customers by claiming that we're are not genuine, we have asked Phinnaeus Gage to contact VeriSilicon to confirm if we are doing the Bitcoin mining ASIC with them. He has refused twice. As he has posted more than 170 messages here (all deleted by us) and he is replying every few seconds shows that he has a lot of spare time and writing an email to VeriSilicon would not be a time issue for him. The refusal to check if we are legit leads us to suspect that he might have a hidden agenda.

Please find below a snapshot which supports our comments:

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Re: Rolla, MO is a small town...
« Sent to: blackarrow on: Today at 11:12:41 AM »
Reply with quoteQuote ReplyReply Remove this messageDelete
Quote from: blackarrow on Today at 11:01:27 AM

In order to resume conversation with us, please paste the reply you've got from Verisilicon regarding our chip.

Regards!

Obviously, you have lost your fuckin' mind! I didn't contact Verisilicon because I believe there is no fuckin' way they should be releasing information about Black Arrow due to an NDA. The onus is on you to request of them to post publicly the relationship you two have with one another, along with the status and why the delay of the chip.

What I provided you has nothing to do with Verisilicon, and everything to do with who you've vetted as your resellers. You seriously don't have a clue as to how this revelation and your failure to act is going to put Black Arrow in a pickle due to cancellations of orders, do you?

me2014

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If they had a good news they will not wait so long to post them..so I think that nothing good is on the horizon!!

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Dear Black Arrow, please come over here and write some meaningful response in this thread.

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Quote from: jimmothy on February 12, 2014, 05:02:14 AM

Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:54:00 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on February 12, 2014, 04:48:12 AM

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly.

So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips?

Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:54:00 AM

I just make it all up as I go along.

FTFY

as i said, good luck with your pre-order.
and yes, that was the first mass tapeout of 20nm chips. the news was released on the 17th january 2014, and the article states there are 10 or so clients already in place.. further fab will not commence until may 2014.

so while you are at home chugging away on your anticipation of 20nm chips, i'm busy hashing.

don't get me wrong, I DO want you to have your rig, i DO want you to be part of the network and i DO want you to be profitable in everything you do. I'm simply putting some realism into the greed I see afore me.

again, all I am saying, stinks of FRAUD - i hope that I am wrong.

You stink of FUD

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Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:54:00 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on February 12, 2014, 04:48:12 AM

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly.

So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips?

Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:54:00 AM

I just make it all up as I go along.

FTFY

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Quote from: jimmothy on February 12, 2014, 04:48:12 AM

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly.
you just make it all up as you go along.

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Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:34:24 AM

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

best luck with your 'pre-order' Kiss

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Fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda.

FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.

Yea, seems like FUD to me. Without actual facts all you are doing is speculating. You are more than entitled to speculate but dont get so upset when someone disagrees with your OPINION. By coming to this thread and spouting accusations of fraud you are causing distractions and spreading more speculative rumors. PG has made a thread for that, please keep you FUD over there. PG has actually done some work to find facts, at this point he is the only one who has made an attempt to be an effective fear monger.

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Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:34:24 AM

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

may I just add this note:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable.

best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery) Kiss

You are so uninformed it is painful to read.

First of all, FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt, which is exactly what you and the other circle jerking fudsters are doing.

Second: I make my opinions based on facts. Black arrow has, in fact, produced and sold working bitcoin FPGAs and bitfury asics.

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

Fourth: Only one person made the speculation that they ditched 28nm for 20nm. How did you come to assume that all of us think this? It is ridiculous to imagine BA can just simply switch to 20nm from 28nm.

Fifth: Why are you bashing preorders now when you literally just said you and your family were considering them?

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whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

may I just add this note:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable.

"Earlier TSMC indicated that the first five products to be made using 20nm fabrication process were designed for mobile computing, CPU and PLD [programmable logic device] industries."

best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery) Kiss

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Its become the same few guys having fun together in a room. What's the name for the? Oh ya, circle jerk. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: raskul on February 12, 2014, 04:03:06 AM

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this is all beginning to look like a massive FRAUD

'some of us are in europe, some of us are not, but nahnahnahnahnah nah, we're not telling you.'

stinks of fraud to me.

And the guy who's been bringing this to light keeps getting his posts deleted from this thread, sans a comment from said deleter to address ANY concerns his investomers have, in spite of it was them who put Black Arrow where they supposedly are now--flush with bitcoins.

Make no mistake, it's Alex Sovu, a convicted felon, who's behind Black Arrow, putting in place layers, read resellers, between said entity and their/his investomers, with the resellers conducting the sales, including their very own Rival downunder in the land of OZ.

My family and I (a proper group buy) were looking in november/december last year which equipment to pre-order. to upgrade our garage space...
Black Arrow website wasn't long on the screen before we just looked at each other, and shook our heads.

just saying.

You fudsters aren't even trying anymore are you?

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