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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 55. (Read 787047 times)

sr. member
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People screaming about injustice here need an attitude adjustment, seriously.

"OMG I didnt get my magic internet money making machine in time to make money wahhhhhhh wahhhh"

BOO FING HOO. File Black Arrow among the countless businesses people have invested in that failed. Shit happens.

We gambled and lost. Thats it. Dont act like a baby.

Accepting personal responsibility for making a poor choice to preorder a product which wasnt even fully designed rests squarely on YOU.

Acknowledge your role in this fiasco. Stop blaming everyone else for YOUR failure to make a good investment.

I don't believe that this is a loss. Once the chips are turn into miners or people start receiving equipment from BA you will start earning BTC. The question is will prices rise or will they continue to go down. Even if we didn't buy from BA and purchased S3's with the declining price of BTC it makes it harder to ROI. Holding BTC is also a risk because if you purchased in the higher range now you are looking a loss.  Some would say that the best option now is to get out of cryptos and move on with life.
newbie
Activity: 49
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Finally I have good news, for me at least.  Took delivery of X3 today.  Direct BA order paid 3 Dec.

The units certainly look nice and came with a power cable (for what that's worth, but still nice).  There are a few issues, so even with it being nearly six months late (and worth maybe 25% of the purchase price), it doesn't seem to be a finished product.

Power on without ethernet connected = it doesn't work, fans run at full speed (and it's incredibly noisy!) but nothing happens.  LCD lights up, nobody home.  Buttons do nothing.
Connect ethernet whilst powered = weird stuff happens, but it doesn't connect to the network.
Power cycle = problematic, PSU shows "alert" indicator but system not responsive.  Fixed by turning off the power and removing the PSU.

LCD seems wasted right now.  It runs Android 4.2.2 but does nothing interesting.  Leave it for a while, the screen will turn off (like any Android phone/tablet) but then it doesn't seem to be possible to activate it again.  None of the buttons below the LCD seem to do anything except Power, which does turn off the miner - but then you have to actually power-cycle the system to get it up again!  At least when I did it this way, the system did come back without issue.

Web interface - system defaults to using DHCP, which has the benefit of working for most people who may not have 192.168.1.x subnet, but means that you need to find it!  Once you've done one, it will find others by itself, which is handy.  My router lists the miners as "android-0123456789abcdef" (unique 16-digit hex code).  If you don't have DHCP?  I think the answer is probably get DHCP!

By default, device starts mining.  No pools are configured, but it mines.  Possibly "benchmark" mode - speed is higher than you get in reality, but who knows really?  I can't get a terminal session to look at the configuration directly, log in is not the same as for the web interface.

Sync Network option is either flaky or just doesn't work.  I tried it, in order to copy the configuration from first unit to the second, and although it appeared to work in the web interface the second unit didn't actually get the configuration.  I ended up configuring it separately any way.

At default "1000Hz" setting it's using just over 1kW.

If this had been delivered in March, I'd be quite pleased.  But it wasn't.
legendary
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The MS/TB GB isn't going so well, they just got told "next week" after the first shipping deadline was missed.

Also, yes, even with free Minions these miners+heat sinks cost as much as an S3.

Where are our space heaters Captain?

Wow, glad I didn't jump on that one too. I gave it a thought then thought better of it all spending good money after bad. Seems at least I made one good decision (two if you count ordering from Bitmain)
hero member
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Nobody which has a chinese lawyer? Even if there is so much money in the game?
sr. member
Activity: 407
Merit: 255
Just received DHL tracking number for my 32xx and 31xx orders (direct BA order).
Should be 10x Prospero X3 + 5x compensation units.
My orders have been marked as completed.

I should have had 5 days of hosting, but it looks it has been skipped.
I received my ten psu for compensation units weeks ago.

I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center) 

So you have 10 X3 ordered but are receiving only 1 X3? This is pathetic.  Black Arrow you disappoint me yet again.

I didn't say that. I got only one tracking number for what should be 30 hashing units, which looks surprising. I'll know for sure next Monday.

Does your DHL tracking list a weight? If you are receiving 30 X3's but have only 1 tracking number then DHL would have to deliver them on a pallet.
newbie
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BA reply to my email

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As per Management’s update, we cannot afford to send refunds as we've spent all money to purchase parts required to build the miners. If we cancel your order we have nothing to do with the cases, power supplies and other goods that have been manufactured just for your order. For this reason it is difficult for us to refund everything.

Is this my problem?

SCAM       they have lived with customers money, no investments at all...
sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
CEO, Ledger
My orders are from mid December 2013 (and payment confirmation was extremely fast)
sr. member
Activity: 285
Merit: 250
I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center)  

Be positive :-) maybe it's one massive giant enormous package
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1001
Just received DHL tracking number for my 32xx and 31xx orders (direct BA order).
Should be 10x Prospero X3 + 5x compensation units.
My orders have been marked as completed.

I should have had 5 days of hosting, but it looks it has been skipped.
I received my ten psu for compensation units weeks ago.

I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center)  

Order date please? :-)
Certainly after mine when I'm direct BA batch one 17xx, and I don't have anything yet.
sr. member
Activity: 285
Merit: 250
Just received DHL tracking number for my 32xx and 31xx orders (direct BA order).
Should be 10x Prospero X3 + 5x compensation units.
My orders have been marked as completed.

I should have had 5 days of hosting, but it looks it has been skipped.
I received my ten psu for compensation units weeks ago.

I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center)  

Order date please? :-)  compensation units will be shipped later. :-( so only 20 units at the moment you will receive
sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
CEO, Ledger
Just received DHL tracking number for my 32xx and 31xx orders (direct BA order).
Should be 10x Prospero X3 + 5x compensation units.
My orders have been marked as completed.

I should have had 5 days of hosting, but it looks it has been skipped.
I received my ten psu for compensation units weeks ago.

I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center) 

So you have 10 X3 ordered but are receiving only 1 X3? This is pathetic.  Black Arrow you disappoint me yet again.

I didn't say that. I got only one tracking number for what should be 30 hashing units, which looks surprising. I'll know for sure next Monday.
sr. member
Activity: 407
Merit: 255
Just received DHL tracking number for my 32xx and 31xx orders (direct BA order).
Should be 10x Prospero X3 + 5x compensation units.
My orders have been marked as completed.

I should have had 5 days of hosting, but it looks it has been skipped.
I received my ten psu for compensation units weeks ago.

I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center) 

So you have 10 X3 ordered but are receiving only 1 X3? This is pathetic.  Black Arrow you disappoint me yet again.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1001
All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.
Paid for by your pre orders .. Or the BTC mined with your pre orders ..

sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
CEO, Ledger
Just received DHL tracking number for my 32xx and 31xx orders (direct BA order).
Should be 10x Prospero X3 + 5x compensation units.
My orders have been marked as completed.

I should have had 5 days of hosting, but it looks it has been skipped.
I received my ten psu for compensation units weeks ago.

I really don't know what to expect next Monday when goods will arrive (tracking is for only one package, which looks little bit worrying).

Eric (Paris Bitcoin center) 
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1001
You folks should have done the same,hope you all get back as much as you can  Wink

Lot of us are direct orders and totally stuck.
 Sad



Back when I thought about ordering from BA myself,Minersource had just announced that they were taking preorders, in December....so I just got lucky  Roll Eyes
sr. member
Activity: 285
Merit: 250
You folks should have done the same,hope you all get back as much as you can  Wink

Lot of us are direct orders and totally stuck.
 Sad

legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1001
Yea,I was there with the Drillbit fiasco,but figured they learned from that (like BFL  Cheesy  ).

BUT when the delay was announced in Feb,I put in for & got my refund for 4 X1's from Minersource.

I finally made a good decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Cheesy 

You folks should have done the same,hope you all get back as much as you can  Wink
member
Activity: 63
Merit: 10
I requested a refund in April, which was approved after I provided all the requested information. I have been waiting patiently since then.

Today, I received a notification on my refund order ticket (the same one that contained confirmation that my refund had been approved) that my order "is already scheduled for dispatch and will be shipped in the next few days."

Now they're just liars, too.
That's standard excuse-of-the-month, I had exactly the same.
sr. member
Activity: 285
Merit: 250

Just so you all are aware...every single board had to be fixed by hand due to them either using fake/bad parts or shitty assembly. 

So the devil or the deep blue sea?

Burn down your house or take a $6000 loss?
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
Is it now okay to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!"?


I wish you all the best with obtaining products that actually work, however, based on how bad Black Arrow fucked up the Drillbit board production using sub-par components I wouldn't plug in anything produced by this company.  Good luck!!


Barntech / bobsag, can you please confirm or deny this?


Drillbit / Bobsag3 they both had production runs through BlackArrow for their relative boards correct?

That is correct. They built my bitfury boards, and assembled the drillbit boards.



From Barntech,while BTCtalk was down:

Hey guys.

So we believe we have discovered the source of the problem. Basically we are looking at a bad inductor at LP1 which in turn in causing the regulator at U20 to fail and in some cases burn up. The fix is to replace the inductor, and if the regulator chip has failed, replace it also. All the boards out there that are experiencing the ?no green light? symptom have had the regulator fail and will need both components replaced. The good news is that this issue is isolated and doesn?t affect the rest of the boards. Everything else is solid.

We?re really sorry for the inconvenience this causes, and we?re determined to make it right. The bad components weren?t present in our original prototypes, and as you know the boards often mine successfully for hours or days before failing so the problem didn?t show up when the factory tested the pre-production boards or when we tested them before sending them out. In the interest of getting everyone mining quickly we chose to only test the boards for about 15 minutes and in that 15 minute none of them failed.

Now though, with the boards being run for longer, under different conditions, we are seeing it. Sigh. At least we know what it is and how to fix it, so that?s the next step.

First things first, stop running your boards. If they haven?t failed now, there is a pretty good chance they will at some point. Swapping out the LP1 inductor is a reasonably simple task. Swapping out the U20 regulator after it fails is not so simple. The more of these boards we can get to before the regulator goes the better. Its not worth getting a few extra days of hashing to potentially make the boards harder to repair and lose more time in the long run. STOP RUNNING THEM UNTIL THIS PART IS REPLACED.

We are coming up with a couple alternative solutions for replacing these parts.

Replacing just the inductor (green light on)

This is the good news option - you?ve powered off the board while the green light was still coming on.

Option 1 - DIY Inductor Replacement

Once we have selected and tested a suitable replacement inductor we?ll publish it for you all. Those of you we feel confident with a soldering iron, or have a friend who is handy with soldering can replace it yourselves.  We will publish a detailed instructional video on how to do this. This will be the quickest and cheapest way, but please only choose to do this if you are confident that you know what you?re doing. We can?t take responsibility for your boards once you start tinkering with them.

Option 2 - Send the board back

For those of you who don?t feel confident replacing the inductor yourselves, we will get them shipped either back here to us for repair or to a local repairer closer to you. We?re currently looking into overseas repair options so boards won?t necesarily have to come all the way back to Australia, though it may be easier in the long run. I?ll see what i can come up with.

Replacing inductor and regulator (no green light)

If your boards have already lost the regulator chip (no green light) then you will need to send them in so both the inductor and regulator can be replaced, unless you are VERY capable replacing chips on PCB boards, if you believe you are, then you are welcome to have a go at this too, but just know that the regulator chiup has 16 tiny little feet that all need to be soldered.

Source:
http://drillbitsystem.com/forum/index.php?topic=196.45


Hey guys.

Have updated the first page. It looks a little something like this: ... (in short, good news!  Cheesy )

**** Update 10-12-13****

Hey guys. OK i'm back, had a great weekend away and came back to good news! The team have implemented the fix into 30 boards and they have been running successfully for two days. Cheesy Looks like we're in business. I am shipping out those 30 boards now and the rest will be ready and tested tomorrow. We have passed the info on to our repairers in the states and the U.K. so we are ready to go into full repair mode.

Can everyone who is keen on doing the fix themselves please write to me so i can make note of who you are and pass on the relevant information.

Thanks everyone for your patience in this. We are truly almost out of it now. Can't wait to get this done so we can move onto future plans!!

I've noticed tensions have been running high and i understand it completely. It certainly has been a frustrating situation. But please don't take it out on the people helping make all this happen. This has been an amazing community effort and has been so wonderful to see everyone band together and solve this situation as a group. Massive thanks to TK1337 and Milkbottlec for stepping up to help out with repairs and going way above and beyond. Massive thanks to Lajz for keeping the forum running smoothly. And to everyone for chucking in your thoughts to help get to the bottom of it all.

As for what actually went wrong here, unfortunately we don't really know. Could have been bad or fake parts, could have been bad workmanship putting the parts on. As for the design, we are almost 100% sure that the chosen parts were right and the design sound, but i guess its possible that they just weren't up for the job. On paper there was plenty of overhead in there. Its kind of impossible to say really. But hey, we've found a way around and the boards now work. Thats the main thing.

Now i imagine things are going to get a bit messy with packages all over the place so please make it easier for me and let me know the status of your stuff. First thing i need to know is everyone doing their own repairs.

Oh and there is a new firmware that is running very smoothly indeed. More on that soon.  Smiley

Thanks guys.

Barntech

Source: http://drillbitsystem.com/forum/index.php?topic=206.msg1332#msg1332


Just so you all are aware...every single board had to be fixed by hand due to them either using fake/bad parts or shitty assembly. 
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