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legendary
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Are they running stable at 1 TH/s per box?  How are the temps?  Any other problems experienced?

It's only a few hours, and they are not yet on definitive production site, but we have 6 boxes running each stable at 1Ths.
It makes a lot of noise and the heat is huge, especialy with all the units stacked.

What was your order number and paydate?

He has said his pay date was Mid Dec/2013
RHA
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Anyone else getting emails of "invoice Payment Confirmation" from [email protected] ?
I ask because I got 2 of those today, with an attachment called invoice_773.jar
If you get such an email, obviously, don't open the attachment.

People reported receiving such e-mails "from" bitmine.ch and Bitmine itself warned against these e-mails too.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8353546)

It's an attack directed at customers of some Bitcoin companies. The jar attachment is malicious.

Edit: There are similar e-mails disguised as originated from Cointerra, directed to Cointerra customers.
It looks like these companies databases were hacked, because how the sender knows who is which customer?
legendary
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Value will be measured in sats
Anyone else getting emails of "invoice Payment Confirmation" from [email protected] ?

I ask because I got 2 of those today, with an attachment called invoice_773.jar

If you get such an email, obviously, don't open the attachment.

i got those too...where did they get all the emails from? BA?
member
Activity: 66
Merit: 10
Anyone else getting emails of "invoice Payment Confirmation" from [email protected] ?

I ask because I got 2 of those today, with an attachment called invoice_773.jar

If you get such an email, obviously, don't open the attachment.
legendary
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Merit: 1022
Anarchy is not chaos.
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They'd likely just fold and declare bankruptcy. Not sure how that works in china, but in general it absolves them of personal responsibility once the assets are distributed.
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That's not entirely true. There are various reasons as to why personal liability can and will come into play, one of them being gross negligence, another malicious intent, and both apply here. If you want an example, in my case I have written confirmation that they were aware of my refund request and an agreement to have my miner hosted in their facility, with that knowledge they still went ahead and shipped my X-3. That is malicious intent and as such a reason for personal liability.

True, but I don't think it would necessarily play out in bankruptcy court. It may, but it's more likely a criminal matter.
newbie
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They'd likely just fold and declare bankruptcy. Not sure how that works in china, but in general it absolves them of personal responsibility once the assets are distributed.
[...]

That's not entirely true. There are various reasons as to why personal liability can and will come into play, one of them being gross negligence, another malicious intent, and both apply here. If you want an example, in my case I have written confirmation that they were aware of my refund request and an agreement to have my miner hosted in their facility, with that knowledge they still went ahead and shipped my X-3. That is malicious intent and as such a reason for personal liability.
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
I messaged Minersource again, asking for an update on the LCD and compensation and to ask for a partial refund due to the lie I was told about my ordered being valued at $100 when it wasn't. So far it seems they dont give a shit and ignoring my emails.

So if anyone is considering buying from minersource, just stop, because as soon as you have an issue. They will ignore you!
You honestly need to file a claim with the FTC to get their attention. Once you have their attention, they can be reasonable people from my experience.

ftccomplaintassistant.gov

Sad thing is it shouldn't come down to threats for someone to run their business in a respectable manner
You don't like taxes but you like what those taxes pay for. In this case they pay to point guns at defenseless businesses. You can't eat your cake and have it too.

Agreed. I hate all the "call the authorities" bullshit. It rarely works, even if you have no morals. When it does, it just fosters more ill will.
The only reason it does not work is it's a bluff most of the time to get some sort of action from crappy service companies ,which is what companies like BA are betting on had enough people actually moved on them legally by now this would be coming to a close . They are also lucky they are tucked away in a BS country so people can't just walk up and knock on the front door like most would have by now . It has nothing to do with morals on the customers part more so on the company and trying to make the customer pull the trigger to resolve it through legal means . Funny how you back one of the worst companies i've ever seen in business against cheated customers trying to make them do right yet I bet you think its ok that MS and BA have lawyers on retainer . Also that little issue with them having customer information floating around to the highest bidder and them pursuing it to the full extent of the law yet NOTHING has been said about the breach and how bad it was or is . I'll just ignore you even said anything about foster more ill will like they are even trying to make good on their end how much lube should be applied before you notice your doctor seems to of had his finger in there a little to long humm maybe that's not his finger at all .

In regards to the bolded, no I do not. I just wasn't clear enough. I think that taking this bunch of scum to court, a real court of OUR peers, would be a great and marvelous spectacle. I just have less than zero faith in the existing systems, and I have seen the "calling the authorities" thing backfire so many times it's not even funny. It was a general statement, and I don't want to get into anarchic political theory in what's essentially a technical discussion. Suffice it to say I am sceptical of any legal action going anywhere. They'd likely just fold and declare bankruptcy. Not sure how that works in china, but in general it absolves them of personal responsibility once the assets are distributed. Screws practically everyone, and the courts generally distribute the assets to business entities and contractors FIRST, then, maybe, throw the end consumer a few scraps.

The ONLY reason I'm not in the same boat as the lot of you is that I didn't have the money at the time, and by the time I did, the writing was on the wall. I got lucky by means of poverty, and that doesn't often happen. My sympathies lie entirely with the customers.
legendary
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Posted Today, 11:26 AM

We have a huge number of units on their way to us as well. Should be able to fulfill at least 25% of the remaining X1 orders.

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full member
Activity: 121
Merit: 100
Update : we just received 10 Prospero X3 (20x 1Th hashing units).
Our order seems to be complete, without of course 5 more compensation units (no idea when we'll receive)
good luck, bro
hero member
Activity: 524
Merit: 500
Seeing as they haven't bothered picking up the pace of production I can only assume they plan on closing up shop after this. They technically have a functioning miner so one would think that they would be trying to pump these things out as fast as they possibly can so they can start selling further batches. Then again, the BA engineers aren't known for their intelligence so maybe it's just another day at the office for them.
sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
CEO, Ledger
Are they running stable at 1 TH/s per box?  How are the temps?  Any other problems experienced?

It's only a few hours, and they are not yet on definitive production site, but we have 6 boxes running each stable at 1Ths.
It makes a lot of noise and the heat is huge, especialy with all the units stacked.
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
Hey remember how their rental hashing was supposed to start "in a few days" over a week ago?

How surprising that it didn't! Especially since they've always been so honest with their customers.

"In a few days over a week ago"? How about the fact that they are STILL selling the cloud mining contracts on their official website as "starts in May 2014"?
sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
CEO, Ledger
Update : we just received 10 Prospero X3 (20x 1Th hashing units).
Our order seems to be complete, without of course 5 more compensation units (no idea when we'll receive)

where are you located? USA?

Paris, France
hero member
Activity: 524
Merit: 500
I messaged Minersource again, asking for an update on the LCD and compensation and to ask for a partial refund due to the lie I was told about my ordered being valued at $100 when it wasn't. So far it seems they dont give a shit and ignoring my emails.

So if anyone is considering buying from minersource, just stop, because as soon as you have an issue. They will ignore you!
You honestly need to file a claim with the FTC to get their attention. Once you have their attention, they can be reasonable people from my experience.

ftccomplaintassistant.gov

Thanks, I've gotten nothing but F you from MS at this point. However, I had to use this link to get to the site.

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1002
Update : we just received 10 Prospero X3 (20x 1Th hashing units).
Our order seems to be complete, without of course 5 more compensation units (no idea when we'll receive)

where are you located? USA?
sr. member
Activity: 360
Merit: 250
CEO, Ledger
Update : we just received 10 Prospero X3 (20x 1Th hashing units).
Our order seems to be complete, without of course 5 more compensation units (no idea when we'll receive)
legendary
Activity: 1202
Merit: 1181
I'm going to lay out very clearly and logically why this entire thing stinks and is a scam from top to bottom, even though there is at least some evidence that there is some effort to actually deliver a product here. To any of the schadenfreude "preorderlol you're dumb" crowd, that's nice you're more than welcome to feel good about yourselves.

A pre-order does not mean that Black Arrow has zero responsibility for delivering and gets to do whatever they want as they please whenever they want.

The agreement Black Arrow entered into with us was predicated on a set of representations of the project made by Black Arrow at the start, specifically that there is a design that BA is producing that meets certain specifications and requirements, and that the organization has the ability and intention to produce the ordered end products and services within roughly the agreed upon timeframe. Of course it's reasonable then in this framework for the delivery date to be an estimate, because of course there are going to be some unforseen issues in producing the end product.


You can easily replace "Black Arrow" with "Minersource" and the same applies.

Minersource has broken so many laws and rules by not sending refunds and not informing customers about delays. I'm still waiting for a refund like many others. If minersource was located in my country they would be bankrupt and the owners in jail.

A-fucking-men!

They've dicked me around for months now, no seeming response to my emails other than generated mass responses of the same bullshit I've been fed for so long now telling me I can't get a refund because it's a pre-order. My gut tells me their hemorrhaging money and are close to going under; I feel we may never see a refund.

In april, I made a binding agreement with Matt from minersource which stated they would send me a refund. I'm still waiting.

Someone should create a new thread for Minersource 'victims' this might grab their attention to issue refunds faster, one that isn't moderated by black arrow.

I did find this...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-not-order-from-minersource-705442

and this...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/minersourcenet-and-black-arrow-products-customer-service-warning-684263
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
I'm going to lay out very clearly and logically why this entire thing stinks and is a scam from top to bottom, even though there is at least some evidence that there is some effort to actually deliver a product here. To any of the schadenfreude "preorderlol you're dumb" crowd, that's nice you're more than welcome to feel good about yourselves.

A pre-order does not mean that Black Arrow has zero responsibility for delivering and gets to do whatever they want as they please whenever they want.

The agreement Black Arrow entered into with us was predicated on a set of representations of the project made by Black Arrow at the start, specifically that there is a design that BA is producing that meets certain specifications and requirements, and that the organization has the ability and intention to produce the ordered end products and services within roughly the agreed upon timeframe. Of course it's reasonable then in this framework for the delivery date to be an estimate, because of course there are going to be some unforseen issues in producing the end product.


You can easily replace "Black Arrow" with "Minersource" and the same applies.

Minersource has broken so many laws and rules by not sending refunds and not informing customers about delays. I'm still waiting for a refund like many others. If minersource was located in my country they would be bankrupt and the owners in jail.

A-fucking-men!

They've dicked me around for months now, no seeming response to my emails other than generated mass responses of the same bullshit I've been fed for so long now telling me I can't get a refund because it's a pre-order. My gut tells me their hemorrhaging money and are close to going under; I feel we may never see a refund.

In april, I made a binding agreement with Matt from minersource which stated they would send me a refund. I'm still waiting.

Someone should create a new thread for Minersource 'victims' this might grab their attention to issue refunds faster, one that isn't moderated by black arrow.
legendary
Activity: 1202
Merit: 1181
I'm going to lay out very clearly and logically why this entire thing stinks and is a scam from top to bottom, even though there is at least some evidence that there is some effort to actually deliver a product here. To any of the schadenfreude "preorderlol you're dumb" crowd, that's nice you're more than welcome to feel good about yourselves.

A pre-order does not mean that Black Arrow has zero responsibility for delivering and gets to do whatever they want as they please whenever they want.

The agreement Black Arrow entered into with us was predicated on a set of representations of the project made by Black Arrow at the start, specifically that there is a design that BA is producing that meets certain specifications and requirements, and that the organization has the ability and intention to produce the ordered end products and services within roughly the agreed upon timeframe. Of course it's reasonable then in this framework for the delivery date to be an estimate, because of course there are going to be some unforseen issues in producing the end product.


You can easily replace "Black Arrow" with "Minersource" and the same applies.

Minersource has broken so many laws and rules by not sending refunds and not informing customers about delays. I'm still waiting for a refund like many others. If minersource was located in my country they would be bankrupt and the owners in jail.

A-fucking-men!

They've dicked me around for months now, no seeming response to my emails other than generated mass responses of the same bullshit I've been fed for so long now telling me I can't get a refund because it's a pre-order. My gut tells me their hemorrhaging money and are close to going under; I feel we may never see a refund.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
I'm going to lay out very clearly and logically why this entire thing stinks and is a scam from top to bottom, even though there is at least some evidence that there is some effort to actually deliver a product here. To any of the schadenfreude "preorderlol you're dumb" crowd, that's nice you're more than welcome to feel good about yourselves.

A pre-order does not mean that Black Arrow has zero responsibility for delivering and gets to do whatever they want as they please whenever they want.

The agreement Black Arrow entered into with us was predicated on a set of representations of the project made by Black Arrow at the start, specifically that there is a design that BA is producing that meets certain specifications and requirements, and that the organization has the ability and intention to produce the ordered end products and services within roughly the agreed upon timeframe. Of course it's reasonable then in this framework for the delivery date to be an estimate, because of course there are going to be some unforseen issues in producing the end product.


You can easily replace "Black Arrow" with "Minersource" and the same applies.

Minersource has broken so many laws and rules by not sending refunds and not informing customers about delays. I'm still waiting for a refund like many others. If minersource was located in my country they would be bankrupt and the owners in jail.
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