[Boxing] Casimero vs Oguni - October 12

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 15, 2023, 12:14:36 AM

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

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So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

looking at this fight and just as some people have already said, Casimero's performance was very low during the fight, it didn't even seem like he was seen as the favorite, the comments from people that I could read, it was as if most people looked at He's like a fighter who uses dirty methods to win the fight, he had a lower body posture, so he was in a position where he could easily headbutt his opponent, but I don't believe he did that out of malicious intent, it's probably a his fighting strategy. but this didn't go down very well with his image from now on, with this poor performance it will be difficult to attract the attention of other good fighters to fight against him

I had already commented on this elsewhere, that currently boxing is accompanied by marketing, when people create high expectations about a fighter and that fighter's fight draws a lot of attention and during the fight the guy doesn't perform well to the point of not meeting people's high expectations, then that fighter loses attention from people and other fighters. he will need to train a lot and try to fight against a very strong boxer and when he wins convincingly then he will attract the attention of other strong boxers

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 16, 2023, 02:03:02 AM

And this is what I have been saying about Casimero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_f0RZGeiQ

He might end up with nothing if he stops fighting because he just give his money away and this the problem not just with Casimero. All other boxers in the past lost their money this way. Didn't save some for them and in the end, all those that they help disappear.

I have seen this video also in his own vlog account and I could that it is just a penny to what he earned on the Oguni fight, besides the amount he gives was not so big and most of the recipients are his relatives so it is not so alarming that he do that.

I'm sure that Casimero knew the consequences if he became broke and he already saved for his future if we take a closer look at his lifestyle, it is not as lavish as Manny's when he was beginning to earn millions of dollars. Gambling is one cause for a man to go broke, if Casimero gambles irresponsibly then that might bring him down.

Will lock the thread in a few hours and as usual thanks for all of your comments guys.

I still hope that the door to Inoue vs Casimero fight is still open so the business between them will be over.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 15, 2023, 12:14:36 AM

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

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So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

I wouldn't say Tapales is trying to be Casimero or what. We haven't seen him being brandish in the ring or something, perhaps he just want to show that he is confident in his abilities and not afraid of the Monster.

And this is what I have been saying about Casimero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_f0RZGeiQ

He might end up with nothing if he stops fighting because he just give his money away and this the problem not just with Casimero. All other boxers in the past lost their money this way. Didn't save some for them and in the end, all those that they help disappear.

Pacman has been giving money to the poor, and I don't think that would significantly affect Casimero's finances. He is earning a substantial amount of money as a popular boxer, and it would be unwise for him to give away everything he has; of course, he can only afford to lose a certain amount.

Casimero is not done, I can assure you. Once the fight between Inoue vs. Tapales takes place and Inoue emerges as the winner, the discussions will likely focus on Casimero, Nery, and Inoue if he chooses to remain in the same division.

So, let's not overreact; giving money would not make a boxer poor. In fact, one of the major reasons I know that makes them poor is gambling and other vices.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 15, 2023, 12:14:36 AM

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

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So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

I wouldn't say Tapales is trying to be Casimero or what. We haven't seen him being brandish in the ring or something, perhaps he just want to show that he is confident in his abilities and not afraid of the Monster.

And this is what I have been saying about Casimero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL_f0RZGeiQ

He might end up with nothing if he stops fighting because he just give his money away and this the problem not just with Casimero. All other boxers in the past lost their money this way. Didn't save some for them and in the end, all those that they help disappear.

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Quote from: avp2306 on October 15, 2023, 05:17:30 AM

Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

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Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

No one gonna buy that knowing that Casimero in prime is at different level, but I love the confidence of the guy since he really want to get the nerve of Inoue but we all know here that the Japanese guy have the advantage in all aspect. But let see if there's a surprise will happen and Tapales will be the one declared as a winner since for sure this will create a big noise on boxing scene knowing that many fans believe that Tapales will lost on their match.

I also don't know if he have enough preparation so lets see if he can able to last at round 12 since if he take all slow and let Inoue dominate him maybe we cannot see him last for long rounds knowing that Inoue is always looking for early knock out to make the fight not last for more long rounds.

Preparation-wise, Tapales has been training for almost two months now in the US with regards to his fight with Inoue, that's how prepared he was considering that the fight will tentatively happen on December 26, more than two months from now. I could say that Tapales has the confidence now because it is not easy to unify two belts and he got it with passion.

Back to Casimero, coming from the word of his promoter that the Inoue fight that they are chasing might not take place anymore due to Casimero's consecutive lack-luster performance. We can't blame them as their ward was not fighting to the hype he was given.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 15, 2023, 12:14:36 AM

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

No one gonna buy that knowing that Casimero in prime is at different level, but I love the confidence of the guy since he really want to get the nerve of Inoue but we all know here that the Japanese guy have the advantage in all aspect. But let see if there's a surprise will happen and Tapales will be the one declared as a winner since for sure this will create a big noise on boxing scene knowing that many fans believe that Tapales will lost on their match.

I also don't know if he have enough preparation so lets see if he can able to last at round 12 since if he take all slow and let Inoue dominate him maybe we cannot see him last for long rounds knowing that Inoue is always looking for early knock out to make the fight not last for more long rounds.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on October 15, 2023, 12:14:36 AM

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

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So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

It might work on Tapales the positive way, at least he is not afraid of the monster. Unlike many of his opponents in the past that like trash talking Inoue but was a total different boxer in the ring.

As for Casimero I do agree with what we have seen in this fight,

- no gas tank or doesn't have that stamina
- feel in love with his one hit punch, but when it didn't work he don't know what to do
- should be getting a new trainer. People around him are just kissing his ass
- his power is no longer there at 122 lbs
- his age is showing in this fight

He should not be obsessed with a Inoue fight since this kind of performance will not get Inoue excited to fight him.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2023, 12:45:28 AM

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

He was expected to win that fight convincingly, but we were surprised by his performance. If you watched that fight, you could really see how badly he wanted to knock out his opponent. It was evident right from the very first round of the fight that this was his intention. But we should never underestimate his opponent; after all, he was a former bantamweight champion, so he has some skills and the mindset of a champion.

I'm not sure what's next for Casimero, but the fact that he didn't lose still keeps him in a ranking that could potentially improve over time. I know he's very eager to fight Inoue, but I think he should let that opportunity pass for now. There's a time for everything, and what he needs to do is train well, get some more fights under his belt, and make sure he impress the fans. That's when the hype for their matchup will be created again.

For now, we can only speculate on the possible outcome of an Inoue vs. Tapales fight, as this is shaping up to be the most significant bout in the lower division so far.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 15, 2023, 12:14:36 AM

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

Tapales is trying to be like Casimero. The guy has some confidence to say to Inoue that he is his biggest nightmare. He can say anything he wants, but I'm hoping he'll back it up with his performance. I don't want to see a boxer who's no different from Inoue's past opponents, who were afraid to engage and fought just to survive.

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So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

The outcome of the fight doesn't benefit him. It ended in a DRAW, but it's not just the outcome that concerns us; it's how he handled the fight and how he appeared to gas out early. It's not a good sign for him, and I think Inoue could decline his challenge, saying he's not on his level.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 14, 2023, 04:38:02 AM

Yes, for sure Inoue has seen this fight already and he himself is not impressed by the performance of Casimero to the point that maybe he is no longer wants to fight him. And even if Casimero win against Oguni, given the fact with the way he handle himself, with no stamina and he was hit by Oguni, I do agree that his current condition is not enough to defeat the Monster.

Inoue right now is a complete package, and chances are very high that we will be the 2nd man to have two unified belt. The first one is Crawford, at 140 lbs and 147 lbs. And Inoue with his scheduled fight against Tapales this December. Casimero will have to go home enjoy his pay check but somewhat will have to think about his career at time is running out for him.

For now, it is safe to say that Inoue vs Casimero is out of the picture with that horrible performance, and what makes it worse is the statement of Casimero after the fight that seems to me that he was just there to take the money and not minding if the fight fans were enjoying the show.

That is too bad if Casimero is just looking for paycheck after paycheck moving forward. And if he keeps going this way, sooner or later he might not have these big money coming in and hopefully he had some already invested because it seems that if you follow his social media, he is very flamboyant and living the lifestyle as if money is not going to be a problem for him in the future.

Quote from: bisdak40 on October 14, 2023, 05:14:18 AM

I've read an article that says the fight between Tapales and Inoue might be on December 26, seems legit as both guys are hitting the gym at this point preparing for that big event, not only for Inoue but also for Tapales. No one knows that there might be an upset as Tapales is not nicknamed The Nightmare for nothing hehe.

Yes, and Tapales already gave a warning to Inoue already, ‘I’ll be your biggest nightmare’.

So let's see what's next for Casimero and how his Japanese promoter will do to his career because it's not really moving forward in the super bantamweight division.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 14, 2023, 04:38:02 AM

Yes, for sure Inoue has seen this fight already and he himself is not impressed by the performance of Casimero to the point that maybe he is no longer wants to fight him. And even if Casimero win against Oguni, given the fact with the way he handle himself, with no stamina and he was hit by Oguni, I do agree that his current condition is not enough to defeat the Monster.

Inoue right now is a complete package, and chances are very high that we will be the 2nd man to have two unified belt. The first one is Crawford, at 140 lbs and 147 lbs. And Inoue with his scheduled fight against Tapales this December. Casimero will have to go home enjoy his pay check but somewhat will have to think about his career at time is running out for him.

For now, it is safe to say that Inoue vs Casimero is out of the picture with that horrible performance, and what makes it worse is the statement of Casimero after the fight that seems to me that he was just there to take the money and not minding if the fight fans were enjoying the show.

I've read an article that says the fight between Tapales and Inoue might be on December 26, seems legit as both guys are hitting the gym at this point preparing for that big event, not only for Inoue but also for Tapales. No one knows that there might be an upset as Tapales is not nicknamed The Nightmare for nothing hehe.

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On the contrary, he was exposed, he doesn't have the gas tank and stamina, he was open for counter, doesn't have that reflex to protect himself, and then the poweris not there. Sure he hit Oguni and put him on skates, but it's not enough to even score a 8 count from the referee. And to be fair with the referee, he did good in officiating this fight, no biased whatsoever and stop it because Oguni can't see anymore and the injury is close to the eye.

I still want to witness him face Inoue, if only to finally settle their unfinished business. Given the way Casimero performed, fans of Inoue would eagerly anticipate their idol silencing him. The word "afraid" should no longer be in use, as Casimero's current condition is insufficient to defeat Inoue in a fight.

I somehow inclined to agree that with the current performance of Casimero, he will have a hard time beating Inoue. I see how careless Casimero is when attacking his opponent which may give Inoue a chance to early KO Casimero if ever they meet each other in the ring.

Yes, for sure Inoue has seen this fight already and he himself is not impressed by the performance of Casimero to the point that maybe he is no longer wants to fight him. And even if Casimero win against Oguni, given the fact with the way he handle himself, with no stamina and he was hit by Oguni, I do agree that his current condition is not enough to defeat the Monster.

Inoue right now is a complete package, and chances are very high that we will be the 2nd man to have two unified belt. The first one is Crawford, at 140 lbs and 147 lbs. And Inoue with his scheduled fight against Tapales this December. Casimero will have to go home enjoy his pay check but somewhat will have to think about his career at time is running out for him.

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It is just another controversial stoppage and a technical draw. From the start of the fight, I felt uncomfortable, when the referee did not count a knockdown when the Japanese boxer fell down. It is obvious that there is a connection and wether it was blocked or not, as long as it is not an illegal punch, it should have been considered a KD.

It's a drawback when a boxer competes in a country with a less reputable boxing scene. There can be instances of questionable actions, but proving them falls to us, although not necessarily through legal means. It's not just the supposed knockdown; the final sequence was highly controversial. It was supposed to be a knockout, yet they ruled it as a head butt. If Casimero had managed to conclude the fight in the first round, it could have been a game-changer for him. The hype around his career would have surged, potentially setting the stage for an Inoue vs. Casimero showdown.

I would consider Japan to be one of the most reputable countries for boxing. I rarely ever see a bad decision or blatantly biased referees. Those sort of things happen in the US and UK regularly but I just don't think it's common in Japan. I've watched the replay and slowed it down during these supposed controversial moments and in neither instance does it show Casimero landing a legal blow. People are making assumptions due to their favoritism but the referee made the right call to determine it was a headbutt that caused the injury to Oguni.

Now, that was a very clear picture of what happened, but wasn't Oguni already injured before the headbutt occurred? Sometimes what we see in a picture doesn't tell the whole story. I'm referring to the impact of that headbutt versus the impact of what Casimero had been throwing throughout the fight.

To claim that Japan is one of the most reputable countries for boxing, I have my doubts. I watched Casimero's last fight against a Japanese opponent. It was initially ruled as a no contest but was later announced as a TKO. If they truly scrutinized the situation before making a decision, they could have awarded the win to the deserving fighter right then and there.

It's really hard to say if it is a head butt that really do the damage or it was a shot that Casimero throws that inflicted that cut on Oguni. It's not the question on the referee though, but I do agree that every country is biased towards their fighters. But in this fight I think Casimero is really doing some damage on Oguni already and it just so happen that either the head butt comes first or that Casimero hit him, with the size of his gloves causing that big gash on Oguni face. And then the referee doing his job, calling a halt and consulted with the ring physician. And most likely it will be controversial to think that in boxing we need to have the benefit of the replay and see what really happen before the referee making that big decision to stop and then calling it a technical draw.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on October 13, 2023, 06:41:07 PM

It is just another controversial stoppage and a technical draw. From the start of the fight, I felt uncomfortable, when the referee did not count a knockdown when the Japanese boxer fell down. It is obvious that there is a connection and wether it was blocked or not, as long as it is not an illegal punch, it should have been considered a KD.

It's a drawback when a boxer competes in a country with a less reputable boxing scene. There can be instances of questionable actions, but proving them falls to us, although not necessarily through legal means. It's not just the supposed knockdown; the final sequence was highly controversial. It was supposed to be a knockout, yet they ruled it as a head butt. If Casimero had managed to conclude the fight in the first round, it could have been a game-changer for him. The hype around his career would have surged, potentially setting the stage for an Inoue vs. Casimero showdown.

I would consider Japan to be one of the most reputable countries for boxing. I rarely ever see a bad decision or blatantly biased referees. Those sort of things happen in the US and UK regularly but I just don't think it's common in Japan. I've watched the replay and slowed it down during these supposed controversial moments and in neither instance does it show Casimero landing a legal blow. People are making assumptions due to their favoritism but the referee made the right call to determine it was a headbutt that caused the injury to Oguni.

Now, that was a very clear picture of what happened, but wasn't Oguni already injured before the headbutt occurred? Sometimes what we see in a picture doesn't tell the whole story. I'm referring to the impact of that headbutt versus the impact of what Casimero had been throwing throughout the fight.

To claim that Japan is one of the most reputable countries for boxing, I have my doubts. I watched Casimero's last fight against a Japanese opponent. It was initially ruled as a no contest but was later announced as a TKO. If they truly scrutinized the situation before making a decision, they could have awarded the win to the deserving fighter right then and there.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 13, 2023, 10:15:46 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on October 13, 2023, 06:41:07 PM

It is just another controversial stoppage and a technical draw. From the start of the fight, I felt uncomfortable, when the referee did not count a knockdown when the Japanese boxer fell down. It is obvious that there is a connection and wether it was blocked or not, as long as it is not an illegal punch, it should have been considered a KD.

It's a drawback when a boxer competes in a country with a less reputable boxing scene. There can be instances of questionable actions, but proving them falls to us, although not necessarily through legal means. It's not just the supposed knockdown; the final sequence was highly controversial. It was supposed to be a knockout, yet they ruled it as a head butt. If Casimero had managed to conclude the fight in the first round, it could have been a game-changer for him. The hype around his career would have surged, potentially setting the stage for an Inoue vs. Casimero showdown.

I would consider Japan to be one of the most reputable countries for boxing. I rarely ever see a bad decision or blatantly biased referees. Those sort of things happen in the US and UK regularly but I just don't think it's common in Japan. I've watched the replay and slowed it down during these supposed controversial moments and in neither instance does it show Casimero landing a legal blow. People are making assumptions due to their favoritism but the referee made the right call to determine it was a headbutt that caused the injury to Oguni.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on October 13, 2023, 06:41:07 PM

It is just another controversial stoppage and a technical draw. From the start of the fight, I felt uncomfortable, when the referee did not count a knockdown when the Japanese boxer fell down. It is obvious that there is a connection and wether it was blocked or not, as long as it is not an illegal punch, it should have been considered a KD.

It's a drawback when a boxer competes in a country with a less reputable boxing scene. There can be instances of questionable actions, but proving them falls to us, although not necessarily through legal means. It's not just the supposed knockdown; the final sequence was highly controversial. It was supposed to be a knockout, yet they ruled it as a head butt. If Casimero had managed to conclude the fight in the first round, it could have been a game-changer for him. The hype around his career would have surged, potentially setting the stage for an Inoue vs. Casimero showdown.

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On the contrary, he was exposed, he doesn't have the gas tank and stamina, he was open for counter, doesn't have that reflex to protect himself, and then the poweris not there. Sure he hit Oguni and put him on skates, but it's not enough to even score a 8 count from the referee. And to be fair with the referee, he did good in officiating this fight, no biased whatsoever and stop it because Oguni can't see anymore and the injury is close to the eye.

I still want to witness him face Inoue, if only to finally settle their unfinished business. Given the way Casimero performed, fans of Inoue would eagerly anticipate their idol silencing him. The word "afraid" should no longer be in use, as Casimero's current condition is insufficient to defeat Inoue in a fight.

I somehow inclined to agree that with the current performance of Casimero, he will have a hard time beating Inoue. I see how careless Casimero is when attacking his opponent which may give Inoue a chance to early KO Casimero if ever they meet each other in the ring.

Quote from: Japinat on October 12, 2023, 09:31:25 PM

In an interview, he expressed his desire to become the first champion from their boxing gym. This seems like a formidable challenge in the current division, with Inoue still reigning supreme.

It is always an honor to be the first, so there is no doubt that aside from defeating Inoue, he wanted to make his name marked on the history of his recent camp so I believe Casimero needs to improve a lot.

It is just another controversial stoppage and a technical draw. From the start of the fight, I felt uncomfortable, when the referee did not count a knockdown when the Japanese boxer fell down. It is obvious that there is a connection and wether it was blocked or not, as long as it is not an illegal punch, it should have been considered a KD.

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I can't understand what they are saying, but it seems that the fight ended in a draw? So another controversial ending for Casimero here, we are expecting that he will be coming with a big win here.

Anyways, it will leave a bad taste for Casimero fans, this is supposedly a cherry pick fight for him but Oguni is really very difficult for Casimero as he is very tall and knows how to used his reach. Although Casimero hit him cleanly, he remains standing.

The fight ended in a draw due to an unintentional headbutt.

I have a feeling that the early draw is a blessing in disguise. Casimero seems too predictable. And his stamina is losing even if the fight is still too early. I hope this is a wake-up call to Casimero that he really needs a serious training camp the next time he gets a scheduled fight. He needs to train in a place where there are zero to fewer friends to avoid temptations. His brother Jayson is not giving him anything special. Also, it is better to have a reliable dietician and a conditioning coach.

I won't be surprised if Inoue will still pick Casimero early next year if he wins over Tapales.

Ok, just what I thought, yes, I would agree that Casimero doesn't seem to be very special in this fight, I mean not just against Oguni, but when we step up at 122 lbs, the power is no longer there. Yeah, he hit Oguni will clear power shots, but the guy is not going down. And his stamina here is very question, seems to be very tired after round 2 and he was also eating a lot of shots from Oguni.

Yes, If Inoue picks him up after beating Tapales and unified all the belts. I think Casimero will suffer a brutal knockout. (Sorry, am I fan of Casimero, but if he shows this version against Inoue, very slow and doesn't have a gas tank, Inoue will eat him alive and will put a beating worst than he did to Fulton).

Some people been saying that he become that too confident and not really just that serious on his training and come unprepared for this fight just because of that confidence that he could knock easily his opponent?.

Then it could be a disaster for Casimero if he always feels overconfident in his fight and take his opponent very lightly. We've seen videos of him training very hard and even had some runs with some teenagers. But I guess that's what we also see, or that's what Casimero wanted us to see that he is really training very hard but maybe he just focused on the last couple of weeks.

Being confident and getting that reckless or not minding much about your training would really be that a giving that huge effect or toll about your performance. If we do really trying to look on Casimeros
performance and those flaws then stamina is really that main issue but it seems that it do becomes worst and thats really that obvious with the recent fight that we've seen. The only edge or weapon
he had is having that strong one time blows on which it could really knock you down but if we do speak about on trying to make use of the same strategy with those blows then it is really that do easy
to make some counter and we've seen that Oguni does have that reach advantage and we've seen that this guy is tough too on which it would really be that showing that power
isnt really that relevant anymore on Casimero.

Then how he would really be facing up Inoue with that kind of fighting condition or performance? He doesnt even have that footwork or even having that good defense.
Body defense? not that quite and this is really that a favorite spot. Grin

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 13, 2023, 06:02:47 AM

Quote from: coin-investor on October 13, 2023, 04:49:44 AM

The worst thing about this fight for Casimero he is getting hurt by punches from a guy who is not known to be a knockout artist and has a low knockout percentage, unless he shows something in his next fight, I'm afraid Casimero's career will be over in a couple of years.

Yeah, he was exposed big time. Casimero lacks the stamina of a true champion. He just relied on that one big punch that might not land as Oguni was also intelligent and he countered every punch that Casimero threw. If no changes on the trainer and conditioning coach/nutritionist then i agree with you that Quadro Alas' career will be over in a couple of years. That kind of performance was B level and he will just last 3 or 4 rounds if his opponent is Inoue.

Right, a supposedly tune up fight for him turns out to be a disaster, as he was visibly looks very turn from the start of the fight. And just like those big punchers, they are looking for that one lucky punch that will change the complexion of the fight itself and Casimero wasn't able to hit Oguni. Although he still has the power, very hard to see how he can the face of 122 lbs with this kind of another controversial technical draw.

So I'm not seeing any Inoue fight for him in the future, and for sure there will be a lot of bashers on Casimero because of the result of this fight. And with this kind of performance, I'm seeing that it is the start of his decline, sad to say.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 13, 2023, 09:27:52 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on October 13, 2023, 06:22:59 AM

I saw lots of haymaker punches from Casimero like he was trying to get a lucky punch that would end the fight, that's not how boxing works, he also lacks the basics. I think he is too impatient about winning and climbing the ranks to get his shot against Inoue but he doesn't notice that by doing this he is just making the gap longer.
After watching him against the Japanese Oguni I didn't see good boxing and I bet many Filipino boxing fans would feel the same. He is forcing a knockout but he ain't that young Casimero anymore. He should think about taking it slow and using his experience as his main weapon instead of fighting like a 25 year old boxer with lots of stamina reserved, he ain't that guy anymore.
In round 2, I saw him resting and breathing heavily from his mouth, which is why I have round 2 to Oguni because he took advantage of that and let his punches fly all over Casimero.

That's because Casimero is too excited to knock out Oguni in the fastest possible way underestimating Oguni's stamina and power but unfortunately, it backfires he is the one losing steam and getting hit a lot, and he may hit Oguni with his own punches but he is able to stand those punches.

While watching the fight I was wondering where Casimero's power went, those were the punches that hurt and knockout all his past opponents now it seems he cannot carry his power in the upper weight division if he cannot carry his power then he is just an ordinary fighter and Fulton can easily knock him out before he can go to Inoue.

I think he gassed out already in the 2nd round but he tried to steal the 2nd round before the ringbell. It's in the 3rd that I see more haymakers. If one of those landed right, it could make him win.

It's a wonder why it was a draw though. Obviously, Casimero landed more shots while Oguni did more at the back of Casimero's head. This is the advantage of having the fight in your home country, the favor will always be with their dog. Its a rob.

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