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July 19, 2022, 08:04:13 AM
Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.
Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.

Yes, there is no need to worry about the sale of tickets for ppv, I think there will be no problems here, there is just a situation of forced silence, because both boxers have no defeats and now someone will have to lose, mutual determination is needed here.
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July 19, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.
Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.
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July 19, 2022, 07:11:55 AM
Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.
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July 19, 2022, 01:43:04 AM
I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.
We'll have to wait more months for the fight to happen, they need to push Spence to accept the deal it already favors him if this fight never happens, in the future, they will blame each why the fight did not push through and Spence gets the bigger share of the blame, we don't want this fight to happen in the future in the exhibition fight when they are old, this is the best time to happen, we never know if they failed to sign a dela and one of them lose a fight or gets retire.

I don't understand why this fight have not been settled yet. If it's true that Crawford is willing to have a pay cut just to make this fight to happen, then what are the valid reasons for Spence not to sign the deal already?
AFAIK, nothing is standing on the way for both fighters for this fight to happen as per Crawford's last statement after parting ways with his promoter on November.
Is it really true that Spence is still buying time and finding ways to delay this fight.
I hope this is not going to be another disappointing match up like the ones with Pacquiao.
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July 19, 2022, 12:37:49 AM
Agree with. This fight has no reason why should it not happen.

Spence already mentioned that he will fight Crawford before deciding to moved-up weight. The same goal also to Crawford before deciding to move-up weight. These boxers have the same goal - to unify the Welterweight division titles and that is something difficult to achieve.

If only these boxers was in the same with Pacquiao, I think they won't even stand a chance to become a unified champion. Smiley

I hope both parties already agreed on the split of revenue because I read that that's the main problem why this fight might not happen. Spence is trying to get a higher percentage because he has more belts while Crawford wants a 50/50 share, I don't know but if they will not agree then this fight will remain on paper only.

Someone will have to give an inch and I think this will be Crawford so that the fight is going to happen. We don't have to hear so many excuses, Crawford try to eliminate the first hurdle by not signing with Top Rank again and then Spence Jr, holding his move up in weight at 154 lbs and challenge Charlo.

If this fight is not going to happen then it's too bad for us. Probably this fight will not happen if the first negotiations will bog down, Crawford is not getting any younger and should be pursuing big fights like this before he retires.
Without a doubt, Crawford should give in, in fact, in such a case, if I were Crawford, I would accept even less in order to do the great deed, I would not worry much about the money, what I would worry about would be beating Spence, beating him I think I would have the doors open to the best, more fights will come and with much more opportunity to win, even if he loses with Spence he will not leave empty handed, I think that before walking he needs to crawl, and sometimes the desire to have a lot of money blinds anyone, I think that for now you should prepare very well, win and then whatever has to come comes, there are more options.

His back is against the wall here, so yeah, I think he will give in. Maybe he already did and we just have to have as silence means that this could have been done already, just the date and the venue and that's it.

He wouldn't be worry, he has been calling Spence Jr for quiet sometime now and is eager to face him. And this will be his perfect opportunity, no more Bob Arum in the middle for him to negotiate with Spence Jr and PBC. He might get the short end of the deal, but still, that money is going to be big.

One of the things that can move this fast is money, no doubt both Crawford and Spence like it, but who doesn't? However, I think that Crawford wants to have high-level boxers, on his radar he has or wants to face the best so he can have more fame, I don't know but lately I think that what Crawford is looking for is to have more fame, money At this time it is necessary but more is needed for him to be named, according to this world everything moves through contacts and the type of negotiation that is profitable for the organizers and for the boxers, none will accept little money at this point...if there is a fight that draws, I'm sure Crawford will be there.

I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.

Even a 55/45 share won't get Spence interested to make the fight happen, I bet a 60/40 will be the nearest speculation we had so far we discussed here because Spence has said that he will only agree if he will get the bigger slice.

Honestly, this fight is not about the money anymore because the money that they will get is just a by-product of this fight. Both camps are now trying to talk about making their legacy to become an undisputed fighter in the Welterweight and Spence or Crawford will be the 7th boxer who will be going to attain the status next to Canelo Alvarez.

I totally see Spence trying to play the book where he is indeed trying to get some time because Crawford will get older day by day and will be a year inactive in the coming months while Spence will gain the advantage side.

In this order of ideas, I think that Spence will take advantage of the fact of being younger than Crawford, he will be able to get some kind of advantage, but I don't know, on the one hand there is youth, and on the other there is experience, as much as I feel that Crawford he has the skill of a fox when hunting, and he knows very well how he can fight Spence, I think the most intelligent and cunning will win this, because physically I see them both very well, I don't know who has more training, Crawford certainly doesn't take Spence's youth into account because I'm sure he'll advocate for his experience and strategy, which he'll have ready by now.
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July 18, 2022, 01:09:18 PM
I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.

Even a 55/45 share won't get Spence interested to make the fight happen, I bet a 60/40 will be the nearest speculation we had so far we discussed here because Spence has said that he will only agree if he will get the bigger slice.

Honestly, this fight is not about the money anymore because the money that they will get is just a by-product of this fight. Both camps are now trying to talk about making their legacy to become an undisputed fighter in the Welterweight and Spence or Crawford will be the 7th boxer who will be going to attain the status next to Canelo Alvarez.

I totally see Spence trying to play the book where he is indeed trying to get some time because Crawford will get older day by day and will be a year inactive in the coming months while Spence will gain the advantage side.
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July 18, 2022, 08:31:11 AM
I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.
We'll have to wait more months for the fight to happen, they need to push Spence to accept the deal it already favors him if this fight never happens, in the future, they will blame each why the fight did not push through and Spence gets the bigger share of the blame, we don't want this fight to happen in the future in the exhibition fight when they are old, this is the best time to happen, we never know if they failed to sign a dela and one of them lose a fight or gets retire.
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July 18, 2022, 06:45:48 AM
I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

Crawford went on record that he is willing to accept a lower share just to have the fight happened. It has been in works for many years and they all pointing to Crawford or shall we say Bob Arum as the problem. But he is no longer with Top Rank, so they throw another reason, Crawford is not a draw and the B-side and he agree to that.

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.

I guess still boil down on the money, not much on his fears but we really wanted to be the A-side and get at least 60-40 split. But a 55-45 might be reasonable as well.
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July 18, 2022, 06:41:51 AM
Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.
Crawford is maybe older but he is too far from 40 years old. I think that the delaying tactic is not effective as Crawford will not wait forever for a fighter that is not interested in fighting him, he will certainly schedule a fight with a challenger so he will be active.
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July 18, 2022, 03:43:05 AM
I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.
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July 18, 2022, 02:39:43 AM
I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.
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July 17, 2022, 05:42:33 AM
Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

Don't mind the ticket sales. That bout is expected to be sold out just even minutes or a few hours before the announcement.

Here are the key reasons:

a) the fight was been anticipated for long
b) the fight was between two champions
c) Spence is the King of PPV
d) Crawford is currently at the top of the rankings

That's why even there's no official announcement yet, it will be sold out no matter what.

I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.
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July 16, 2022, 06:57:47 PM
Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

Don't mind the ticket sales. That bout is expected to be sold out just even minutes or a few hours before the announcement.

Here are the key reasons:

a) the fight was been anticipated for long
b) the fight was between two champions
c) Spence is the King of PPV
d) Crawford is currently at the top of the rankings

That's why even there's no official announcement yet, it will be sold out no matter what.
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July 16, 2022, 02:42:07 PM

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

But maybe they are just ironing things up that's why they can't make it public yet? And we have seen Floyd's face entering the picture as well because he knows this is a big fight so maybe he is pitching something so that he can be included in the money? The exciting is killing us, and yes, we want positive news and hopefully this all boxing politics or who is getting the most of the purse and split should have been finalized or at least negotiated already.

If Floyd will enter, he might be promoting Crawford and I don't think Floyd would accept a 40/60 share and they will get a lower share. Hopefully, Crawford will play smart here and think that it's not just about the money but the legacy he would make if he beats Spence Jr.

Yes, Floyd Mayweather is indeed promoting Crawford and I don't think Floyd has some power to negotiate about the purse cut because that is not what Crawford wanted that is why he didn't re-sign with Top Rank for that fact, he latter definitely want to have the fight as early as it could this just like how he give constant update about the situation of their discussion.
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July 16, 2022, 11:59:09 AM

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

But maybe they are just ironing things up that's why they can't make it public yet? And we have seen Floyd's face entering the picture as well because he knows this is a big fight so maybe he is pitching something so that he can be included in the money? The exciting is killing us, and yes, we want positive news and hopefully this all boxing politics or who is getting the most of the purse and split should have been finalized or at least negotiated already.

They are trying to negotiate and before exposing things they wanted to make sure that the contract was already been signed.

Boxing industry has a huge of money making venues aside from the actual pot. There are also sources
in where promoters and boxers receive a decent cut of their participations, both camps are well aware and they
wanted to make sure that they have a decent amount of profits before settling everything down.
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July 16, 2022, 09:06:45 AM

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

But maybe they are just ironing things up that's why they can't make it public yet? And we have seen Floyd's face entering the picture as well because he knows this is a big fight so maybe he is pitching something so that he can be included in the money? The exciting is killing us, and yes, we want positive news and hopefully this all boxing politics or who is getting the most of the purse and split should have been finalized or at least negotiated already.

If Floyd will enter, he might be promoting Crawford and I don't think Floyd would accept a 40/60 share and they will get a lower share. Hopefully, Crawford will play smart here and think that it's not just about the money but the legacy he would make if he beats Spence Jr.
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July 16, 2022, 03:32:12 AM

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

But maybe they are just ironing things up that's why they can't make it public yet? And we have seen Floyd's face entering the picture as well because he knows this is a big fight so maybe he is pitching something so that he can be included in the money? The exciting is killing us, and yes, we want positive news and hopefully this all boxing politics or who is getting the most of the purse and split should have been finalized or at least negotiated already.
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July 15, 2022, 09:15:30 AM

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.
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July 15, 2022, 09:12:51 AM

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   


There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

I'm not sure about this, Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.6M buys, that is hard to crack. Although that Mike Tyson vs RJJ did a decent numbers in the pandemic reaching around 1.65M.

So I'm guessing maybe around that numbers or maybe it will be as high as 2.0M but nowhere close to even Conor vs Floyd or Floyd vs Oscar Dela Hoya.

Mayweather is a PPV king, period.

The reason why he is the richest boxer in the history of boxing if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think the current era of boxers would defeat him. His era is full of exciting fighters, they have Pacman of course, now, boxers doding each other just to remain undefeated.

I think we cant' deny it, the numbers already speak for itself. And yes, I don't think that Crawford and Spence fight will break the record. Sure they have fans but I don't think they have the charisma of a Manny Pacquiao and then the arrogance and brandish attitude of Floyd that people wanting to buy tickets or watch his fight because they want to see him lose. Not going to happen because he remains undefeated when he retired in pro boxing.

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.
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July 15, 2022, 08:34:55 AM

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   


There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

I'm not sure about this, Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.6M buys, that is hard to crack. Although that Mike Tyson vs RJJ did a decent numbers in the pandemic reaching around 1.65M.

So I'm guessing maybe around that numbers or maybe it will be as high as 2.0M but nowhere close to even Conor vs Floyd or Floyd vs Oscar Dela Hoya.

Mayweather is a PPV king, period.

The reason why he is the richest boxer in the history of boxing if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think the current era of boxers would defeat him. His era is full of exciting fighters, they have Pacman of course, now, boxers doding each other just to remain undefeated.

Yes, Mayweather dominates in the PPV competition as we can see here; https://www.planetsport.com/boxing/features/floyd-mayweather-mike-tyson-conor-mcgregor-top-10-ppvs-of-all-time

I hope these champions will be inspired and convinced themselves that the only way they can get huge PPV buys is when they will give the audience a big fight, such as this fight.
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