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Quote from: Botnake on July 13, 2022, 01:42:08 PM

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I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

Aside from that, Crawford should do what it takes just to make the fight happen because he will be inactive for a year already this coming November and I'm afraid that the time is not on his side as he will also turn 35 years old this September while Spence is still on his prime at 32. A 40% purse cut will suffice as he needed this fight more than Spence do and I don't think that he have something to argue with the PPV share because it's clear that his PPV digits doesn't even comparable with Spence's PPV buys.

If they are really targeting the month of October then I do think that they should've been done already with their talks as it's we are now in July, so less time to prepare if indeed the fight will happen somewhere in October.

I think that's just the point though, time isn't on crawfords side he probably doesn't want to just fight for whatever he only probably has a couple more good fights in him. No need to sign as quick as possible. Spence needs this fight just as bad as Crawford does. Not saying it will or be 50/50 but no one knows the terms being thrown around right now for people to just say they should just sign already.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 12, 2022, 05:42:30 AM

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

Aside from that, Crawford should do what it takes just to make the fight happen because he will be inactive for a year already this coming November and I'm afraid that the time is not on his side as he will also turn 35 years old this September while Spence is still on his prime at 32. A 40% purse cut will suffice as he needed this fight more than Spence do and I don't think that he have something to argue with the PPV share because it's clear that his PPV digits doesn't even comparable with Spence's PPV buys.

If they are really targeting the month of October then I do think that they should've been done already with their talks as it's we are now in July, so less time to prepare if indeed the fight will happen somewhere in October.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 12, 2022, 05:42:30 AM

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 11, 2022, 09:06:30 PM

Well, it is no secret to anyone that Spence is gaining sympathy and more fans, which is a very favorable move for him, especially for the entire business model that can be developed based on it, but following this logic we see that Crawford He doesn't have a promoter yet, I don't know how good he is at representing himself, the scopes as a businessman and as an athlete are standards that can be very demanding, and he may neglect one of the two roles, I know there is a lot of speculation about it In my personal opinion, I say that a good promo is needed to get good fights with many chances of success so that it is done as quickly as possible.

Terrence Crawford's manager will be one making the negotiations with Errol Spence's team. In this scenario, Bud without a promoter is more beneficial in making this fight becoming a reality since it avoids conflict in the networks. His former promoter Bob Arum is locked with ESPN while Al Haymon's PBC, Spence's handler is with Showtime and Fox. So there will be no more negotiations as to who will promote the fight or who will be the lead promoter or which network will televise the fight.

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.

If this fight is going to happen in October then a deal needs to materialize within this month or early August since they need at least 2 months to prepare.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 11, 2022, 06:35:01 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 11, 2022, 02:23:52 AM

Definitely, it's the legacy because both could make a huge payday on this fight but one of them will not be undefeated anymore after the right. When it comes to legacy, I know some boxers who value that a lot, Mayweather is one, he was able to keep his undefeated record before he retires, and Marquez as well, he KO Pacman and does not agree with another match just to keep that legacy even if he was offered $100 million dollars or more.

Yes obviously after this fight, one of them will be undefeated anymore. But chances also that it will be a draw. Another more money for a rematch lol. But on the serious side, this fight can really end up in a draw as we know their capability and strength. Almost equal honestly. What do you think?

There will be also pressure thing on their mind not to lose that fight as their loss will create an impact on their respective careers.

It's like both of them will be pressured to win and will do everything just to make it happen.

That will be a long shot, but who knows what the judges are going to score if the match goes into a full 12 round. Maybe one will have it even, then the other two, opposite scoring, so it will be a draw and then obviously, they can make more money if they are going to fight again.

Let's see, it's not that far fetch, GGG vs Canelo I is a draw, then they rematch and now going into their trilogy match.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 07, 2022, 05:04:34 AM

^^ Well Floyd has a obvious hidden agenda to tell us that there is negotiations, because he wanted Crawford to be his manager. And maybe if Bud Crawford will sign with him, then that is the time that this fight is going to be made, hehehe. But still the fight can still be made in October, we still have 3 months of it and many things can happen along the way to put this fight in schedule at least for this year.

There might be some truth in what Floyd Mayweather is speculating despite having a hidden agenda, however. He might have information of the sensitive occurrences in those negotiations. Also, I disagree that Spence vs. Crawford will be this year if October schedule is not confirmed. I speculate that it might be on 2023 or 2024.

Could be, but it will be definitely Floyd hand has some "blessings" in this fight. Him and Crawford in public together? hmmm your guess is as good as mine. Maybe not direct manager per se, but Crawford might be asking for some advise from him. And if everything is not settled within the time frame, then maybe next year is the schedule and it could be in Floyd's backyard of Las Vegas. And imagine the money that is going to flow on fight night, casino's, hotels everyone will be making money out of this mega fight.

You might be correct and it might not only be asking for advice. It might also be a business agreement between the 2 boxers for Mayweather promotions to have the rights on the other sources of revenue that they have always used to get more profit outside of the fighter's prize money.

I read an article where it was mentioned that Mayweather promotions has been spending millions and make business deals with restaurants and vendors to be the provider of food and drinks for many of the biggest boxing events.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 23, 2022, 09:09:12 PM

Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing, I don't think that it be for that, rather the most logical thing is because of the business model, because the big investors are willing to make juicy millionaire bets, and with respect to the trilogy, that Canelo vs. GGG is something that is good is positive, but in my personal opinion I don't see this fight as exciting, because CANELO has faltered a lot, who I see as good for making good fights is the Russian Bivol.

Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence is one of the most awaited fights for several years. It was highly demanded by most boxing fans around the world. Disregarding the money, they will really meet each other no matter what at the end of the line in the Welterweight Division as they are both undefeated. Money is a factor but there's no other way that these fights should not happen. A total of 4 World Titles are at stake here and it's not just about being money.

If this is a non-title match and these two didn't target each other, then it's a money matter fight but it's not. It's even a must-watch for me compared to GGG vs Canelo III where the former is now in his retirement period and the latter just came from an embarrassing loss against Bivol that he even wasn't able to make it a close fight as a heavy favorite to win in that match.

But to get the date of when they will fight - the purse split matters to their respective promoters.
In some cases, the boxers themselves want to fight as soon as possible.
But the delays originate from their promoters, who are not in agreement with their split.
And yes, Crawford vs Spence Jr, this will definitely happen, only the date is yet to be determined.
They will rake huge money, but getting the 4 world titles would be the best to get from this event.

Crawford though doesn't have any promoter as of this time, and he should be representing himself in the trade. Maybe that is the hindrance as they want to make the split in favor of Spence, and as we have been discussing, 60-40. So it depends on how Crawford will look at it. Of course, both have the belts and undefeated and this fight might unification in 147 lbs.

Well, it is no secret to anyone that Spence is gaining sympathy and more fans, which is a very favorable move for him, especially for the entire business model that can be developed based on it, but following this logic we see that Crawford He doesn't have a promoter yet, I don't know how good he is at representing himself, the scopes as a businessman and as an athlete are standards that can be very demanding, and he may neglect one of the two roles, I know there is a lot of speculation about it In my personal opinion, I say that a good promo is needed to get good fights with many chances of success so that it is done as quickly as possible.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 11, 2022, 02:23:52 AM

Definitely, it's the legacy because both could make a huge payday on this fight but one of them will not be undefeated anymore after the right. When it comes to legacy, I know some boxers who value that a lot, Mayweather is one, he was able to keep his undefeated record before he retires, and Marquez as well, he KO Pacman and does not agree with another match just to keep that legacy even if he was offered $100 million dollars or more.

Yes obviously after this fight, one of them will be undefeated anymore. But chances also that it will be a draw. Another more money for a rematch lol. But on the serious side, this fight can really end up in a draw as we know their capability and strength. Almost equal honestly. What do you think?

There will be also pressure thing on their mind not to lose that fight as their loss will create an impact on their respective careers.

It's like both of them will be pressured to win and will do everything just to make it happen.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 11, 2022, 04:15:26 AM

Otherwise, if negotiation falls apart then definitely this fight might not be made again. Crawford has been very vocal about it, severing his tie with Bob Arum and then maybe accepting the lesser purse. But if that is not enough to make this happen, then I don't know what will be the hindrance.

Agree with you. I don't think of any more reasons aside from the purse split on why these fights should not happen.

Even though I tried to think hard I really can't think of that big hindrance that will make this fight not possible. Just by reading every article involving both boxers' statements towards this fight, they are positive that the fight will happen. It will be shocking news that suddenly the negotiations will be failed.

I also remember reading an article before but I'm not sure who stated that the fight has no reasons why it should not happen. No hindrance, no things on their way, not being influenced, almost all are set. That leads me to think that things are now close to happenings but they are not just giving any information yet to the public as that's not a good action while everything is still not officially signed.

No spoilers indeed lol.

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Quote from: Baofeng on July 11, 2022, 04:15:26 AM

Otherwise, if negotiation falls apart then definitely this fight might not be made again. Crawford has been very vocal about it, severing his tie with Bob Arum and then maybe accepting the lesser purse. But if that is not enough to make this happen, then I don't know what will be the hindrance.

If Crawford would accept a lower purse and the fight would still not happen, then it should be Spence who is the problem, he might be afraid that Crawford will tarnish his undefeated record, and instead of getting this big fight, he might just think of moving up.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 10, 2022, 05:48:26 PM

in terms of Crawford, he will have now that chance after moving partway from Arum, if this negotiation
materialized the money that at stake will give him a decent amount of earnings.

I'm pretty sure that this fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence will be a blockbuster fight and expect more money to flow here. No need for any hype honestly as these fight takes several years in the making and most boxing fans waited for this. Aside from that, Spence Jr.'s PPV and ticket sales are impressive and always sold out early right away when his fights were just officially announced.

Money is not a problem here. Legacy is the most and being an undisputed welterweight champion is a great achievement.

Errol Spence on Terence Crawford fight: “It’s closer now than it’s ever been”

Yep, I read this article as well, so definitely a lot of things have been going on in the background and it seems that it is really closer more than ever and hopefully this can be made this year.

Otherwise, if negotiation falls apart then definitely this fight might not be made again. Crawford has been very vocal about it, severing his tie with Bob Arum and then maybe accepting the lesser purse. But if that is not enough to make this happen, then I don't know what will be the hindrance.

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Quote from: harizen on July 10, 2022, 06:19:20 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on July 10, 2022, 05:48:26 PM

in terms of Crawford, he will have now that chance after moving partway from Arum, if this negotiation
materialized the money that at stake will give him a decent amount of earnings.

I'm pretty sure that this fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence will be a blockbuster fight and expect more money to flow here. No need for any hype honestly as these fight takes several years in the making and most boxing fans waited for this. Aside from that, Spence Jr.'s PPV and ticket sales are impressive and always sold out early right away when his fights were just officially announced.

Money is not a problem here. Legacy is the most and being an undisputed welterweight champion is a great achievement.

Errol Spence on Terence Crawford fight: “It’s closer now than it’s ever been”

Definitely, it's the legacy because both could make a huge payday on this fight but one of them will not be undefeated anymore after the right. When it comes to legacy, I know some boxers who value that a lot, Mayweather is one, he was able to keep his undefeated record before he retires, and Marquez as well, he KO Pacman and does not agree with another match just to keep that legacy even if he was offered $100 million dollars or more.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 10, 2022, 05:48:26 PM

in terms of Crawford, he will have now that chance after moving partway from Arum, if this negotiation
materialized the money that at stake will give him a decent amount of earnings.

I'm pretty sure that this fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence will be a blockbuster fight and expect more money to flow here. No need for any hype honestly as these fight takes several years in the making and most boxing fans waited for this. Aside from that, Spence Jr.'s PPV and ticket sales are impressive and always sold out early right away when his fights were just officially announced.

Money is not a problem here. Legacy is the most and being an undisputed welterweight champion is a great achievement.

Errol Spence on Terence Crawford fight: “It’s closer now than it’s ever been”

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 09, 2022, 06:55:49 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on July 08, 2022, 07:43:47 AM

Just like Manny Pacquiao, when he left Bob, he had the full freedom to choose the boxer that he lights to fight, and Manny had already earn more money in a fight since Bob has no more slice of the revenue.

The majority of Manny Pacquiao's fights under Top Rank Promotions owned by Bob Arum are mostly title defense match, or if not, considered good match.

And on top of that, Pacquiao always guaranteed with a big pot regardless if he's taking the 40% of the purse split. I don't fully see that Pacquiao's journey under Bob Arum is a nightmare compare to Crawford.

Totally different to Terence Crawford that most fights are not that hyped or big one. So far his fight with Spence Jr. is the biggest match of his career that just turned into reality because he stay away from Bob Arum.

Bob Arum knows the business, and he managed to bing the best for Manny, knowing that Pacquiao will convert it into dollars.

I agree that those fights for Pacquiao are mostly money fights, and we see that from the ways of he's living now. After those fights that happened, he really enjoys all the profits coming from Arum's arrangements, in
terms of Crawford, he will have now that chance after moving partway from Arum, if this negotiation
materialized the money that at stake will give him a decent amount of earnings.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 09, 2022, 08:30:34 PM

Again, it's probably the timing, in Crawford's reign, 140-147 lbs challengers, with good resume and names are no longer in Bob Arum's Top Rank. So he has to fight scrap fighters in that division that is being handle by Top Rank and it really look bad for Crawford. As fighters like Porter (who both of them beat), Danny Garcia, Thurman and of course Spence are all in PBC under Al Haymon.

Comparing that to Manny's reign wherein Top Rank has Cotto, Margarito, Bradley, Algieri, Rios, JMM, Clottey, MAB, Erik Morales etc..

And others are blaming Bob Arum for why Crawford can't get a big fight. If the Spence fight happened early, will people still be disappointed for Bob Arum?

But let's forget what happened in the past as this fight is now turning into reality although there's not much information yet available.

When should we expect some information? If the fight is anticipated to happen in October, I think we should at least get some official announcement by next month. In some cases, most fights were officially announced 1-2 months before the official date.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 08, 2022, 07:08:39 AM

Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2022, 07:04:16 AM

^^ I guess it's how boxing is right now, or at least in the last 20 years, it is being controlled by few and very powerful men.

It's not just the promoters themselves, but we also have the network wars, like HBO and Showtime, and now DAZN and ESPN.

Al Haymon is very powerful and same as Bob Arum or before that, Don King. So it's a vicious cycle than only few men really benefited.

I guess Bob's careful match making, and that's why he made a lot of champions, and not sure about it, but perhaps it was all in-house championship fights.

Bob has been in the business for decades I believe, so what can you expect? He is already clever enough to ensure that the cash flow will continue, and that includes looking for a fight that his fighter will win so he can continue milking it.

Actually, I've been curious and meaning to know how long and when did Bob Arum started his way being a promoter and it shows here that he was in the business for almost 6 decades already and he started way back 1966. So, yeah Bob was already in the business long ago and that shows how expert he is when it comes to money making and making sure that his cow's will always produce milk while maintaining their status.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 09, 2022, 06:55:49 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on July 08, 2022, 07:43:47 AM

Just like Manny Pacquiao, when he left Bob, he had the full freedom to choose the boxer that he lights to fight, and Manny had already earn more money in a fight since Bob has no more slice of the revenue.

The majority of Manny Pacquiao's fights under Top Rank Promotions owned by Bob Arum are mostly title defense match, or if not, considered good match.

Or in house fights, so win win for Bob.

Quote from: agustina2 on July 09, 2022, 06:55:49 PM

And on top of that, Pacquiao always guaranteed with a big pot regardless if he's taking the 40% of the purse split. I don't fully see that Pacquiao's journey under Bob Arum is a nightmare compare to Crawford.

It's probably the era though, and at that time Bob had the best fighters in his backyard and that he can match with Pacquiao that's what Manny is always the A-side in negotiations and taking the lion share of the split.

Quote from: agustina2 on July 09, 2022, 06:55:49 PM

Totally different to Terence Crawford that most fights are not that hyped or big one. So far his fight with Spence Jr. is the biggest match of his career that just turned into reality because he stay away from Bob Arum.

Again, it's probably the timing, in Crawford's reign, 140-147 lbs challengers, with good resume and names are no longer in Bob Arum's Top Rank. So he has to fight scrap fighters in that division that is being handle by Top Rank and it really look bad for Crawford. As fighters like Porter (who both of them beat), Danny Garcia, Thurman and of course Spence are all in PBC under Al Haymon.

Comparing that to Manny's reign wherein Top Rank has Cotto, Margarito, Bradley, Algieri, Rios, JMM, Clottey, MAB, Erik Morales etc..

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 08, 2022, 07:43:47 AM

Just like Manny Pacquiao, when he left Bob, he had the full freedom to choose the boxer that he lights to fight, and Manny had already earn more money in a fight since Bob has no more slice of the revenue.

The majority of Manny Pacquiao's fights under Top Rank Promotions owned by Bob Arum are mostly title defense match, or if not, considered good match.

And on top of that, Pacquiao always guaranteed with a big pot regardless if he's taking the 40% of the purse split. I don't fully see that Pacquiao's journey under Bob Arum is a nightmare compare to Crawford.

Totally different to Terence Crawford that most fights are not that hyped or big one. So far his fight with Spence Jr. is the biggest match of his career that just turned into reality because he stay away from Bob Arum.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on July 08, 2022, 05:21:27 PM

I mean I wouldn't just take anything if I was Crawford. Point being Bob Arum it wasn't always pure dollars and cents, he always wanted to set up fights that would favor a fighter over another. If Crawford loses he loses interest for ppv fights. Bob knows that.

But on the promotion side, with Bob Arum's power and influence, he can really make a boxing match always sold out since he knows how to play the business.

Unfortunately, the reason why he kept Terence Crawford against a much more dominant boxer is because of money but Crawford also benefited from what Arum did to him in terms of decent contract = money. Crawford bags lots during his tenure with Arum.

Now that Crawford stays away from Arum's shadow, I'm pretty sure that there's no problem with him anything about the purse split. It's now up to Spence to say the final deal. But since the information was limited on the news, we are just guessing things here why the fight isn't officially announced yet. I hope soon they will release at least a small important information.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 08, 2022, 07:43:47 AM

Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2022, 07:04:16 AM

I guess Bob's careful match making, and that's why he made a lot of champions, and not sure about it, but perhaps it was all in-house championship fights.

But not all boxers loved his style, I believe there are plenty of boxing superstars that left his promotion because they are not getting the fights they like. Just like Manny Pacquiao, when he left Bob, he had the full freedom to choose the boxer that he lights to fight, and Manny had already earn more money in a fight since Bob has no more slice of the revenue.

If I'm not mistaken, Bob let Pacquiao go, I guess Arum really knows that Manny is already way past his prime. But Pacquiao prove otherwise, winning against Thurman, but that was his last straw. And maybe Arum is right for not signing Manny anymore. As he can build someone to become a champion and make money for them, he can also destroy one's career.

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Gamboa had agreed to face Rios in what was a highly anticipated matchup of young lions, only to suddenly refuse to even attend a series of press conferences around the country to hype the fight. Instead he was silently training at Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s gym in Las Vegas, leading to wide speculation that he intended to jump from Arum to Mayweather’s promotional company.

Not surprisingly, HBO pulled the plug on Rios when it became obvious Gamboa had no intention of fighting. Arum is now doing the same on Gamboa, filing a suit against him in federal court in Nevada for breach of contract alleging he has full paperwork indicated that Gamboa (20-0, 16 KOs) had agreed to the bout’s terms and was still under exclusive promotional contract with Arum. In addition to Gamboa, Arum is also suing a number of unnamed promoters alleging tortuous interference with his contract. Arum’s suit also claims Gamboa accepted $70,000 in advances against the purse after signing for the fight.

And then his career was put to a stop, and after he was cleared to box, he was just a shell of his old self and never reaches the pinnacle of his career.

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