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October 26, 2022, 05:44:04 AM
Odds for this match:

Bivol, Dmitriy @ 1.21
Ramirez Sanchez, Gilberto @ 4.30


https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42951047-bivol-dmitriy-ramirez-sanchez-gilberto

Bivol is still the heavy favorite and what a huge gap difference against Zurdo Ramirez.

Betting options are still limited to Moneyline with less than 2 weeks left before the match.

Not bad for some bettors who would like to risk some few bucks to bet on Ramirez because his odds are really juicy but I guess it's not that easy considering that he is up against Dmitry Bivol who defeated Canelo Alvarez. As for me, I'll wait for the other options regarding this fight and I think I might splurge a little on Ramirez's odds. Few more days to go before we will witness this fight.

In my opinion, Gilberto Ramirez has a great chance of winning this fight. 

Ramirez has a huge boxing experience.  He hasn't lost a single fight.  He has a very strong motivation to win the title from the Russian boxer. 

Mexican boxers are known for their will to win (at one time I was very impressed by Jack London's story "The Mexican"). 

Ramirez is not an amateur, he is a professional and has always been a professional. 

Now he has a great desire to win.  I think that now he is training hard and is completely focused on preparing for the upcoming boxing match.
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October 26, 2022, 05:18:48 AM
Yes, I also saw that Bivol is the favorite against Ramirez and it's because of his huge upset win against Canelo. And I do agree that this is the biggest test for Ramirez, but he says that it is not? What gives? Is that overconfident on his part?

Not sure if I will tempted to bet on Ramirez, I have doubts that he can win against Bivol to be honest. Yes he has the physical advantage like height and reach, but I think Bivol is more superior and has the tools to beat Ramirez in a 12 round fight.

This fight is even more exciting than the canceled Spence - Crawford match, both are champions Zurdo is a former super middleweight champion and Bivol is the current light heavyweight champion, I'm surprised to read one article that Zurdo
Doesn't View Bivol As The Best Opponent He's Ever Faced he's underestimating Bivol considered that he is the heavy underdog here, let's see if he can do better than what his fellow country man Canelo Alvarez did.

I guess the hype of Spence vs Crawford is over.

Nevertheless we have a lot of fight in the calendar up to the end of the year. As I have said, Ramirez might be downplaying Bivol in this fight, but I do believed that we will see a better version of Bivol here, a upgraded of him since we last see against Canelo.

Yes, I also read the news that Bivol is not that interested on Canelo's rematch, and so he is more focused to defend his belt against Ramirez here.
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October 26, 2022, 05:12:47 AM
Dmitry Bivol shuts down Canelo Alvarez rematch talk as he prepares to face Gilberto Ramirez

That is the right thing to do. Dmitry Bivol needs to focus on Zurdo alone because he cannot underestimate a former champion who is also undefeated and very hungry to win his second-division belt. And Zurdo also wants his big money shot against Canelo Alvarez. Winning the WBA belt is big here as the other 3 belts are already held by Artur Beterbiev so a single unification fight can already reap an undisputed championship, unlike Beterbiev who collected his 3 belts in 2 unification fights.

I may take a bet here but probably on Bivol. I wanna see them weigh-in first and see if Bivol is in a good condition.
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October 25, 2022, 12:35:59 PM
Odds for this match:

Bivol, Dmitriy @ 1.21
Ramirez Sanchez, Gilberto @ 4.30


https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42951047-bivol-dmitriy-ramirez-sanchez-gilberto

Bivol is still the heavy favorite and what a huge gap difference against Zurdo Ramirez.

Betting options are still limited to Moneyline with less than 2 weeks left before the match.

Not bad for some bettors who would like to risk some few bucks to bet on Ramirez because his odds are really juicy but I guess it's not that easy considering that he is up against Dmitry Bivol who defeated Canelo Alvarez. As for me, I'll wait for the other options regarding this fight and I think I might splurge a little on Ramirez's odds. Few more days to go before we will witness this fight.
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October 25, 2022, 11:17:12 AM

Yes, Canelo and Hearn doesn't have much choice but to agree with Bivol's decision as he already earned the right to demand in case a rematch will happen even if the fight will be contested at 168 pounds. But before that, we know Canelo's camp are still observing what will happen on Bivol's upcoming match as that will determine if they will activate the rematch or not. We will know about it more soon, just like what you've said.

Agree to that, Canelo's camp might change direction once Bivol got upset with Ramirez. As far as I remember, he said that he's not willing to fight to any of his countrymen, but the chance of seeing a rematch is possible. Pride and money I guess Alvarez knew that if the rematch takes place, his fans will surely support him and it will generate a decent amount of money.

Win or lose both fighters will be secured by huge amount, but like what we mostly said, Bivol will be wiser now.

He's the belt holder if, in case he also beats Ramirez, money should be flowing for him this time.

Most of us are expecting Bivol to beat Ramirez. So what if Bivol stops Ramirez? Do you guys think that Canelo is brave enough to activate the rematch clause? Or maybe Canelo will ask Bivol to rematch him at 168 which is the more comfortable weight for Canelo?

After Ramirez, there's only the Beterbiev-Bivol undisputed fight that is supposed to happen at 175. Other than Beterbiev which is difficult to negotiate due to its different promoter and network, pretty sure small Bivol would be willing to drop to 168 for more money and the chance to become undisputed if this is the weight Canelo wants for the rematch.

I'm not that sure if Bivol can really dominate Ramirez because the latter is not an easy foe, in my opinion. But if ever Bivol stops Ramirez, Canelo might activate the rematch but I'm not sure if there will be a difference and I don't seriously think that he'd be willing to host Bivol in his comfortable division knowing that his chances is not that much, he'll be stripped of his title and belts if Bivol will defeat him in 168 pounds. It's still much better for Canelo to contest the fight at 175 pounds as there is nothing to lose in his side anymore, it won't be his first time too if he'll get defeated.

Second scenario is that Canelo will have to wait first until Bivol and Beterbiev will have the undisputed fight as Bivol is not prioritizing Canelo. But it got me thinking, what if Bivol will get the undisputed crown? Will Canelo chase him still? A Bivol-Beterbiev fight is not that too impossible as Bob Arum already said that he'll be willing to give Beterbiev his chance to unify the belts after his title defense against Yarde this January 2023, but with a condition, the fight will be hosted by ESPN and not by Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing.

For everything that has been said, in context it can be said that the one with the least chance despite his recent triumph is Canelo, I think the worst mistake is that Canelo has let the RUSSIAN win, now the Russian has had more commitments what he wants to achieve, more titles, and fights that can really elevate him, clearly Canelo at this moment is not in the best position, however he advocates that his fight be prioritized and that some results be given that can facilitate the path to rematch, but it is good as they have said, the priority right now is not the rematch against Canelo, it is the growth of the Russian to higher standards, for now I think that the best thing Canelo can do is prepare, if the fight with Bivol does not take place, he has to win against all the boxers that come to him.



A little more about their fight:

   

Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto Ramirez – fast approaching



Twitter:https://twitter.com/MatchroomBoxing/status/1578713064102207488

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“It’s a very complicated fight with Ramirez being a southpaw. He’s long, he’s rangy, and he’s going to want to come and box Bivol,” said Alexis Rocha to K.O. Artist Sports.

“Bivol is a boxer as well. If Ramirez comes to change up his style, I think Bivol is going to want to box him and counter-punch him, so it’s going to be an interesting fight to see.

“I’d give the edge to Ramirez in that. The longer fighter, not the fresher fighter, but the longer and more skilled fighter, I would say,” said Alexis.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/10/dmitry-bivol-vs-gilberto-ramirez-fast-approaching/

This really itches and spreads, things are getting very interesting, this fight is getting into one of the most interesting and that little by little the bettors are putting more pressure on it, currently I would not know who to go for, I still have many doubts.

Yes, so true! Defeating the one and only Canelo Alvarez definitely lifts up a boxer's career, and in this case it's Bivol, it gave the latter more opportunities and hype from being a "not-so-known" kind of boxer to a famous one. Canelo may talk all he want and I understand his frustrations but he got to understand that, like what have you said, giving a win to Bivol means he can't be the priority anymore as Bivol will look for more accomplisment.

I understand you mate, this is an interesting fight to see and it is really hard to choose whom we put our bet as both of them is outstanding in their own unique skills.

Yes, it's that Canelo is very good, he has a lot to offer and Bivol is a boxer who undoubtedly makes a difference, he also has the luxury of having to choose well who he wants to fight, I also think that Bivol has reached a level of maturity that is capable of saying no to a rematch, which, for any boxer is difficult, it is leaving apart from earning good money, just for wanting to build a much higher reputation, this is something that I admire, for me this boxer is very intelligent too, it could be said that he is one of those who want to go very far to be able to pass the category with all the achievements he can reap.

Odds for this match:

Bivol, Dmitriy @ 1.21
Ramirez Sanchez, Gilberto @ 4.30


https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42951047-bivol-dmitriy-ramirez-sanchez-gilberto

Bivol is still the heavy favorite and what a huge gap difference against Zurdo Ramirez.

Betting options are still limited to Moneyline with less than 2 weeks left before the match.

The big factor is Bivol having beaten Canelo and Canelo happens to be the number one pound for pound at the time he fought Bivol, you are the man if you beat the man, Zurdo has proved anything yet. and yet he is telling that Bivol is not his biggest challenge I wonder who is, he underestimates Bivol or just tries to sell the fight but from all angles, Bivol has all the edge leading to this fight.
Well, I have seen Bivol's style very well, it seems to me that he is a boxer who knows and is very clear about what he wants, and I don't think he is going to lose, Biivol has shown us that he does what he sets out to do and fulfills it, this is something I see in Bivol, on the other hand, I think Zurdo is a very good boxer who has great technique, if we put both on a scale, who has more fame is Bivol, and who can have better technique is him Of course, we don't know how Lefty can be preparing, and I don't like to think that he buys himself with fights against others, in the case of Canelo many things have happened, each event and each person is a very different event in a fight.



Dmitry Bivol shuts down Canelo Alvarez rematch talk as he prepares to face Gilberto Ramirez

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Dmitry Bivol is not thinking about Canelo Alvarez as he prepares to defend his world title against Gilberto Ramirez next month. 

Earlier this year, Canelo made another leap to 175lbs, but his bold attempt at adding another impressive win to his incredible ledger was thwarted by Bivol who outpointed the Mexican.

On November 5, live on DAZN, Bivol looks to build on his impressive year as he tackles the threat of Ramirez, a fighter who has been calling for this opportunity for a long time.

Source: https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/dmitry-bivol-shuts-down-canelo-alvarez-rematch-talk-as-he-prepares-to-face-gilberto-ramirez/57yznm80jpt914z18b9re35rx
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October 25, 2022, 04:18:36 AM
Bivol vs Ramirez, in my opinion one of the interesting fights at the moment.
Bivol is an aggressive fighter who was previously underdog against Canelo,
but Bivol has proven himself to be the best fighter of the moment after defeating Canelo.
Ramirez is a former super-middleweight champion, a fighter with a fighting record superior to Bivol.
it will be very interesting because Ramirez is also waiting for the match with Bivol.
but at the moment I think bivol is a fighter with an effective defense and will probably be different from the opponents Ramirez has faced before.
I can't wait to see who's going to stick around and hit more and become the light heavyweight king.

Interesting because Ramirez wants to achieve what Canelo failed to do so, there's a big reason from both fighters to win this upcoming fight, I like how Bivol fought and the way he dominates the fight but Ramirez is something that might surprise him, he got much longer reach which he can use as tool to counter Bivol.

Odd might favor Bivol due to his dominance against Alvarez but inside this sport upset is possible and we witness that kind of result even with the heavy favorite.
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October 24, 2022, 06:54:56 PM
The big factor is Bivol having beaten Canelo and Canelo happens to be the number one pound for pound at the time he fought Bivol, you are the man if you beat the man, Zurdo has proved anything yet. and yet he is telling that Bivol is not his biggest challenge I wonder who is, he underestimates Bivol or just tries to sell the fight but from all angles, Bivol has all the edge leading to this fight.

Not just because Bivol defeated Canelo but I think he is the Favorite because the fact that he's the Champion here defending his belt.

They are also both undefeated but Bivol's credentials much have an impact that's why he should be the Favorite.

But let's say Bivol didn't have a chance to fight Canelo, I wonder if Ramirez's odds will be that high.
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October 24, 2022, 06:49:10 PM
Still, I think it is better to not underestimate this Ramirez though, he barks for sure but we ain't seeing his side yet.

I think there's no such thing as some people underestimating Ramirez but it's just that, many witnessed how Bivol turned the table upside down against Canelo with his patience and calm strategy. It's hard to imagine that Canelo, right at the peak of his career just become a punching bag for Bivol that's why the big recognition for him is there.

True, even though Ramirez's record is very good, we can't remove the fact that most of his opponent is far inferior to Bivol's opponent.  So the fact that Bivol had faced tougher opponents makes us think that Bivol is a better boxer than the two.

Not saying Ramirez's previous foes are not that good but no one there can match or even close to Canelo's caliber that's why Bivol here is considered the Favorite to win the match.

yeah, Bivol beating Canelo make Bivol one of the best boxers in his division.

Bivol vs Ramirez, in my opinion one of the interesting fights at the moment.

The statement of Ramirez that Bivol had been evading him makes it more interesting.

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October 24, 2022, 06:38:49 PM
Odds for this match:

Bivol, Dmitriy @ 1.21
Ramirez Sanchez, Gilberto @ 4.30


https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42951047-bivol-dmitriy-ramirez-sanchez-gilberto

Bivol is still the heavy favorite and what a huge gap difference against Zurdo Ramirez.

Betting options are still limited to Moneyline with less than 2 weeks left before the match.

The big factor is Bivol having beaten Canelo and Canelo happens to be the number one pound for pound at the time he fought Bivol, you are the man if you beat the man, Zurdo has proved anything yet. and yet he is telling that Bivol is not his biggest challenge I wonder who is, he underestimates Bivol or just tries to sell the fight but from all angles, Bivol has all the edge leading to this fight.
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October 24, 2022, 06:30:41 PM
Odds for this match:

Bivol, Dmitriy @ 1.21
Ramirez Sanchez, Gilberto @ 4.30


https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42951047-bivol-dmitriy-ramirez-sanchez-gilberto

Bivol is still the heavy favorite and what a huge gap difference against Zurdo Ramirez.

Betting options are still limited to Moneyline with less than 2 weeks left before the match.
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October 24, 2022, 05:51:00 PM
Still, I think it is better to not underestimate this Ramirez though, he barks for sure but we ain't seeing his side yet.

I think there's no such thing as some people underestimating Ramirez but it's just that, many witnessed how Bivol turned the table upside down against Canelo with his patience and calm strategy. It's hard to imagine that Canelo, right at the peak of his career just become a punching bag for Bivol that's why the big recognition for him is there.

Not saying Ramirez's previous foes are not that good but no one there can match or even close to Canelo's caliber that's why Bivol here is considered the Favorite to win the match.
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October 24, 2022, 02:01:42 PM
Bivol vs Ramirez, in my opinion one of the interesting fights at the moment.
Bivol is an aggressive fighter who was previously underdog against Canelo,
but Bivol has proven himself to be the best fighter of the moment after defeating Canelo.
Ramirez is a former super-middleweight champion, a fighter with a fighting record superior to Bivol.
it will be very interesting because Ramirez is also waiting for the match with Bivol.
but at the moment I think bivol is a fighter with an effective defense and will probably be different from the opponents Ramirez has faced before.
I can't wait to see who's going to stick around and hit more and become the light heavyweight king.
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October 24, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
Yes, I also saw that Bivol is the favorite against Ramirez and it's because of his huge upset win against Canelo. And I do agree that this is the biggest test for Ramirez, but he says that it is not? What gives? Is that overconfident on his part?

Not sure if I will tempted to bet on Ramirez, I have doubts that he can win against Bivol to be honest. Yes he has the physical advantage like height and reach, but I think Bivol is more superior and has the tools to beat Ramirez in a 12 round fight.

I'm not that surprised to know that Bivol is the favorite and not Ramirez, Bivol's name is really hyped these days because of his recent accomplishment as defeating Canelo Alvarez is not an easy thing to do but he did it anyway. Many boxers have dreamt to be in his situation but only Bivol made it and defeated the prime pound-for-pound king.

But we should be careful mate because we might get blinded of Bivol's name as I'm really seeing Ramirez as kind of boxing who is not giving up easily and his record can speak for that. Still, I think it is better to not underestimate this Ramirez though, he barks for sure but we ain't seeing his side yet.

Tough call for you, and I understand that, like what you said, Bivol was hyped after beating Canelo and there's no question about that
he shows his greatness inside the ring, and he defends his belt from this division.

Now, another challenger will try, and I agree that Ramirez's resume is something to look on. He's also a good fighter with decent records.

We will be able to conclude everything after we witness them fighting. They've got enough time to prepare and review every fight that
their opponent got to assess what will be the strategy to use in winning the fight.
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October 24, 2022, 10:20:08 AM
Yes, I also saw that Bivol is the favorite against Ramirez and it's because of his huge upset win against Canelo. And I do agree that this is the biggest test for Ramirez, but he says that it is not? What gives? Is that overconfident on his part?

Not sure if I will tempted to bet on Ramirez, I have doubts that he can win against Bivol to be honest. Yes he has the physical advantage like height and reach, but I think Bivol is more superior and has the tools to beat Ramirez in a 12 round fight.

I'm not that surprised to know that Bivol is the favorite and not Ramirez, Bivol's name is really hyped these days because of his recent accomplishment as defeating Canelo Alvarez is not an easy thing to do but he did it anyway. Many boxers have dreamt to be in his situation but only Bivol made it and defeated the prime pound-for-pound king.

But we should be careful mate because we might get blinded of Bivol's name as I'm really seeing Ramirez as kind of boxing who is not giving up easily and his record can speak for that. Still, I think it is better to not underestimate this Ramirez though, he barks for sure but we ain't seeing his side yet.
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October 24, 2022, 07:22:32 AM
Yes, I also saw that Bivol is the favorite against Ramirez and it's because of his huge upset win against Canelo. And I do agree that this is the biggest test for Ramirez, but he says that it is not? What gives? Is that overconfident on his part?

Not sure if I will tempted to bet on Ramirez, I have doubts that he can win against Bivol to be honest. Yes he has the physical advantage like height and reach, but I think Bivol is more superior and has the tools to beat Ramirez in a 12 round fight.

This fight is even more exciting than the canceled Spence - Crawford match, both are champions Zurdo is a former super middleweight champion and Bivol is the current light heavyweight champion, I'm surprised to read one article that Zurdo
Doesn't View Bivol As The Best Opponent He's Ever Faced he's underestimating Bivol considered that he is the heavy underdog here, let's see if he can do better than what his fellow country man Canelo Alvarez did.

Might be possible that he's trying to engage readers and Bivol's fans part a marketing setup to sell tickets, though possible also that it is meant being said, but like what you said, let see if how good he will perform comparing from how Alvarez did when he's facing Bivol. It was Bivol to dominate the entire fight and even Alvarez did try to push, but Bivol always has a good counter to suppress Alvarez's attempts.

It will be an interesting fight between these two fighters. Both are eager to win from one another, a good execution that will let one of them to win the fight.
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October 24, 2022, 06:43:12 AM
Yes, I also saw that Bivol is the favorite against Ramirez and it's because of his huge upset win against Canelo. And I do agree that this is the biggest test for Ramirez, but he says that it is not? What gives? Is that overconfident on his part?

Not sure if I will tempted to bet on Ramirez, I have doubts that he can win against Bivol to be honest. Yes he has the physical advantage like height and reach, but I think Bivol is more superior and has the tools to beat Ramirez in a 12 round fight.

This fight is even more exciting than the canceled Spence - Crawford match, both are champions Zurdo is a former super middleweight champion and Bivol is the current light heavyweight champion, I'm surprised to read one article that Zurdo
Doesn't View Bivol As The Best Opponent He's Ever Faced he's underestimating Bivol considered that he is the heavy underdog here, let's see if he can do better than what his fellow country man Canelo Alvarez did.
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October 24, 2022, 05:26:32 AM
Yes, I also saw that Bivol is the favorite against Ramirez and it's because of his huge upset win against Canelo. And I do agree that this is the biggest test for Ramirez, but he says that it is not? What gives? Is that overconfident on his part?

Not sure if I will tempted to bet on Ramirez, I have doubts that he can win against Bivol to be honest. Yes he has the physical advantage like height and reach, but I think Bivol is more superior and has the tools to beat Ramirez in a 12 round fight.
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October 24, 2022, 02:56:14 AM
And so Ramirez didn't view Bivol as his tougher opponent so far:

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“Not really,” said Ramirez during an interview with FightHype.com when asked if Bivol is the best fighter he’s taken on. “I been in the ring with so many good fighters. I think this is really important for me because it’s a title fight but I been with really good fighters too.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/zurdo-ramirez-view-bivol-best-opponent-hes-ever-faced--169923

Oh well, yes Zurdo is undefeated and won his last couple of fights are against fighters that are old and way past their prime. But this time it will be against a prime fighter in Bivol. Maybe he underestimate Bivol here and that is very dangerous. Or maybe this is just part of the trash talking but we all know that most of the time, it will backfire on them.

This is great, both fighters believe that they are the best, so what can we expect? of course, we will see fireworks in this fight as both fighters are aggressive and therefore could deliver an entertaining fight.

If I would be impressed with the statement of Ramirez, I might be tempted with his very enticing odds.

https://www.thesportsgeek.com/news/bivol-big-favorite-against-zurdo/

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According to the best boxing betting sites, champion Bivol is the -550 betting favorite to retain his belt with Ramirez coming back at +350 odds:
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October 23, 2022, 06:59:02 PM
And so Ramirez didn't view Bivol as his tougher opponent so far:

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“Not really,” said Ramirez during an interview with FightHype.com when asked if Bivol is the best fighter he’s taken on. “I been in the ring with so many good fighters. I think this is really important for me because it’s a title fight but I been with really good fighters too.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/zurdo-ramirez-view-bivol-best-opponent-hes-ever-faced--169923

Oh well, yes Zurdo is undefeated and won his last couple of fights are against fighters that are old and way past their prime. But this time it will be against a prime fighter in Bivol. Maybe he underestimate Bivol here and that is very dangerous. Or maybe this is just part of the trash talking but we all know that most of the time, it will backfire on them.
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October 20, 2022, 05:55:04 AM
I'm already assuming that after this Ramirez fight he will push his chance facing Beterviev who knows he might also upset another champ and add more in his belt.

I think there will be no mandatory fight for Bivol if he wins this fight against Ramirez. The unification fight involving him will surely follow next.

Either it is Artur Beterviev as his next opponent if won against Anthony Yarde next year or someone else.

I hope Beterview is now fully healed for his match next year as that was the reason why this month's face-off with Yarde was postponed.

A unification fight will definitely happen if Bivol successfully defends his title again, I mean what else is next, right? This might be twice as hard from his fight against Canelo but if he can win this, his name will be hyped so much that people will call for an undisputed fight next. And just like what you've said, I hope so too that Artur Beterbiev will be healthy again because watching a fight where the other side have some problems is not that interesting to see.

If Canelo is not exercising his rematch clause or is not interested in another Mexican in Ramirez, I really hope the winner of this fight faces Beterbiev or Yarde for the undisputed belts. Bob Arum already mentioned that the fight needs to happen under his promotion with ESPN televising it. Top Rank may sound selfish but unless we hear about Eddie Hearn's counter offer then Bob has a point, especially since Beterbiev is considered the lineal champ in this division aside from his 3 belts compared to Bivol's 1 belt. It would be interesting to hear Matchroom's take on this one. Both Beterbiev and Bivol clearly wanted to fight each other already, hopefully, their promoters and networks agree to a deal. 

Top Rank has the upper hand in this discussion, Arum has Beterviev and has the majority of the belt in the Light heavyweight and I think it will be an easy set up between Arum and Bivol's camp.

For Canelo, if he doesn't want to take another Mexican (assuming that Ramirez win), then he will not have a money fight. It will be his last fight under Eddie Hearn so for sure he might looking for something big and then make his decision whether to extend his contract again or choose other banner to promote him.

Arum always knows where the money is . It's no brainer to assess who's going to compensate more in terms of negotiations. If you want his fighter, you need to adjust with his demand, nothing to discuss for more but to let him control and both will enjoy the profits. In terms of Canelo, not sure if what will be his next ride, though it was mentioned that he is not interested in seeking for any fight against his co-Mexican fighter, his fate depends on how he and his camp see the potentials.

Signing for contract will be discussed and update will be available once both camps agree to certain deals, else, he might jump promoters and will see his other alternative options.
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