[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 37.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 03, 2022, 06:41:05 AM

he was pushed to work for training against an orthodox fighter.

That is not true. In the whole career of Pacquiao, he shouldn't have a problem at whatever stance does his opponent is. He already knows how to deal with an orthodox fighter and it's not that he pushed to work how to counter it.

Let's accept the fact that Manny is done for good. He knows that already that's why he decides to retire now and focus on politics. If only no politics on his mind or whatever industry he wants to associate with, Manny can still be deadly until the 40s.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2022, 06:33:46 AM

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Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

As far as I remember, after the fight of Ugas, Pacquiao did complain of leg cramps and he somehow blamed his trainer for changing the routine. Do not quote me on this one but I do remember that Pacquiao was planning on having a rematch? Anyway, you are indeed right that Ugas is in the prime of his career. He can be very lethal and explosive on the ring. While Spence Jr. may be undefeated, his recent matches show his weaknesses and potential counters that could very well make him vulnerable.

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Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Spence is good but he does not dominate all his fights. Look at his fight against Porter, he struggles although he won in the end, but it was a split decision where Porter also have some moments where he hurt Spence, I'm afraid if Spence will fight Crawford, he will lose because Crawford is faster than him.

Everything can only be settled inside the ring, Spence though have some good advantage but just like what we witness during the Pacquiao fight, Ugas is just a silent type of fighter but have a good defensive mobilities, though it's no longer the prime Pacquiao and this news that spread about cramps is part of his aging body.

I like to see these two fighters to showcase their fighting skills and not to waste time trying to read their opponent's movement.

After this one, the fight against Crawford will be the next thing.. Cool

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Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Yes, Manny Pacquiao against Yordenis Ugas had a cramp in his leg during the second round and that limited his movement during the fight, apart from the finish factor, hand reach and Ugas good technique.
and for the fight Jordan Ugas and Spence Spence will most likely be the favorite and but not necessarily be able to beat Ugas because he will prepare techniques and strategies for each opponent.

Manny always had an excuse everytime he lose, maybe it's true but it's still an excuse.

When he lost to Mayweather, he said has a shoulder injury, and here he had cramps. If he really thinks he can win back the belt, he should have not retired yet, instead, he will choose to fight as Ugas is willing to give a rematch. No disrespect to him but my guy, he is already old, not in his prime anymore.

Yes, not just Manny, but every boxer who losses his fight, specially if he is the favourite has some excuses. Manny though has some history of cramps, maybe it was because of his massive cramps or as what his strength and condition coach say, Coach Freddie hire someone to massage Manny's leg before the actual fight and it was a recipe for a cramps. Nevertheless, we all know that Manny is really way past his prime and should not be fighting this fighters at his age. Maybe he was able to win against Thurman, but we can clearly see that he could have lost it if Thurman was able to sustain the momentum specially in the championship rounds.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2022, 06:33:46 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 02, 2022, 08:00:35 PM

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Maybe he did have cramps against Ugas, but at the end of the day, Ugas is the better fighter, thus he is now where he is sitting and will face the one of the top contender in the Welterweight division. So let's forget about Manny for now, he has retired and now we are seeing the next bred of champions in this division. No one though has a complete domination as everyone is very tough. But this fight will settle 1/3 of it as who is the best. And then we have Crawford vs Spence and that fight is what the fans wanted after this one.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 03, 2022, 07:09:23 AM

Manny always had an excuse everytime he lose, maybe it's true but it's still an excuse.

When he lost to Mayweather, he said has a shoulder injury, and here he had cramps. If he really thinks he can win back the belt, he should have not retired yet, instead, he will choose to fight as Ugas is willing to give a rematch. No disrespect to him but my guy, he is already old, not in his prime anymore.

For the record, he did fracture his shoulder before the fight he undergoes a shoulder operation, but on Ugas fight age shows up but if Ugas is fighting a younger Pacquiao it will be a different story, Ugas climbed to glory was he beat an old Pacquiao against a young Spence and on top of his career I doubt he can duplicate his success, it will be Spence's stepping stone for a huge fight against Crawford.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2022, 06:33:46 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 02, 2022, 08:00:35 PM

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Yes, Manny Pacquiao against Yordenis Ugas had a cramp in his leg during the second round and that limited his movement during the fight, apart from the finish factor, hand reach and Ugas good technique.
and for the fight Jordan Ugas and Spence Spence will most likely be the favorite and but not necessarily be able to beat Ugas because he will prepare techniques and strategies for each opponent.

Manny always had an excuse everytime he lose, maybe it's true but it's still an excuse.

When he lost to Mayweather, he said has a shoulder injury, and here he had cramps. If he really thinks he can win back the belt, he should have not retired yet, instead, he will choose to fight as Ugas is willing to give a rematch. No disrespect to him but my guy, he is already old, not in his prime anymore.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2022, 06:33:46 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 02, 2022, 08:00:35 PM

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Yes, Manny Pacquiao against Yordenis Ugas had a cramp in his leg during the second round and that limited his movement during the fight, apart from the finish factor, hand reach and Ugas good technique.
and for the fight Jordan Ugas and Spence Spence will most likely be the favorite and but not necessarily be able to beat Ugas because he will prepare techniques and strategies for each opponent.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2022, 06:33:46 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 02, 2022, 08:00:35 PM

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Spence is good but he does not dominate all his fights. Look at his fight against Porter, he struggles although he won in the end, but it was a split decision where Porter also have some moments where he hurt Spence, I'm afraid if Spence will fight Crawford, he will lose because Crawford is faster than him.

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Quote from: aioc on January 03, 2022, 06:33:46 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 02, 2022, 08:00:35 PM

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

Yes. I remember that fight. In the second round. He was over worked, instead of the rest 3days left supposed to be his rest and conditioning, he was pushed to work for training against an orthodox fighter. If it was Spence better bcoanhis 2 mos. training was for only and just for Spence, and for sure Spence will got his 1st lost via KO if ever. Now if there will be a rematch for Ugas and Pacquiao then you will see a 100% Pacquiao knocking out Ugas compare to a 30% Pacquiao in the previous match bcos of his stiffening legs.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 02, 2022, 08:00:35 PM

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

Age finally caught with Pacquiao there's the news and it was confirmed that he suffered from leg cramps, making him hard to move and throw punches, Ugas is fighting a fighter who is at the prime of his career, who always dominate a fight, Ugas is a technical fighter in some ways but Spence is an all-around great boxer in the ring, like Crawford he is flawless, after the match I see Spence winning another version of the welterweight.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 02, 2022, 06:57:37 PM

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Of course, Spence is the favorite to win he is the better fighter, Ugas maybe is the champion but he beat the old Pacman (no offense to him) so he has to prove again that he is really a great fighter and that starts with beating Spence in a fight which is not an easy task to do. I hope he will train hard so even if he loses his belt, the fans would still enjoy watching the fight.

It's not just about the record but let's give Ugas a benefit of the doubt and some appreciation. He worked hard on where he is today. Even Pacquiao is already old when he beat him, the legend still has that power but Ugas survives that.

I'm sure Ugas will train hard. He us putting efforts and seriousness on that fight. Someday, he wants a Ugas vs Crawford as the final stage on the Welterweight to unify all title.

If I can remember the way Ugas fought against Manny Pacquiao, he was more like a one-two puncher. He is a technical fighter. He doesn't give a lot of combinations. As others have said, most of Cuban fighters are like that. They are very technical in their movements.

Ugas won against Manny because he was able to maintain his distance against Manny. Of course Manny is not the old Manny anymore when they met. But credits to Ugas for the win. But in this fight against Spence Jr. I think Spence is a busy boxer. And he will probably outpoint Ugas.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on January 02, 2022, 08:53:57 AM

Of course, Spence is the favorite to win he is the better fighter, Ugas maybe is the champion but he beat the old Pacman (no offense to him) so he has to prove again that he is really a great fighter and that starts with beating Spence in a fight which is not an easy task to do. I hope he will train hard so even if he loses his belt, the fans would still enjoy watching the fight.

It's not just about the record but let's give Ugas a benefit of the doubt and some appreciation. He worked hard on where he is today. Even Pacquiao is already old when he beat him, the legend still has that power but Ugas survives that.

I'm sure Ugas will train hard. He us putting efforts and seriousness on that fight. Someday, he wants a Ugas vs Crawford as the final stage on the Welterweight to unify all title.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 02, 2022, 06:52:23 PM

Remember those upsets that we have seen last year, most of them were not expected results.

Even Ugas winning against Pacquiao is not an expected result.

Ugas is considered a super underdog on that fight as besides he is not known by some, he is just a replacement boxer on that fight.

I agree with others here that an upset has a chance to happen. We should not overrate Spence here as Ugas has the power that can give him a hard fight.

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Quote from: harizen on January 02, 2022, 06:19:36 PM

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It's hard to imagine that Ugas will win here, if Spence is fully healthy, I think we are going to see a KO win from him as Ugas would only be a standing target since he cannot take advantage using his lenght like what he did on Pacquioa.

Somehow agree but on the other hand, Ugas is the most hungry to win here based on my own view. He's the one who aggressively requested on that fight. Just thinking about what things he will achieve if able to win, it's already an inspiration. That being said, it might fuel more his desire to win.

Spence is no doubt will be the favorite to win the match but we can't rule out that an upset is always possible to happen.

There's still no early forecast from some boxing analysts of what will be the odds on this match.

Ugas wanted to prove something here and winning over Spence Jr will give him another level of respect.
So high likely that he is preparing good for this one and study the strategies how to win over.
He needs to work out on his weaknesses that may possibly be his downfall inside the ring.
We know Spence Jr is good but we can't be sure once both are inside the ring.
Remember those upsets that we have seen last year, most of them were not expected results.

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Quote from: Vaculin on December 31, 2021, 03:55:19 PM

It's hard to imagine that Ugas will win here, if Spence is fully healthy, I think we are going to see a KO win from him as Ugas would only be a standing target since he cannot take advantage using his lenght like what he did on Pacquioa.

Somehow agree but on the other hand, Ugas is the most hungry to win here based on my own view. He's the one who aggressively requested on that fight. Just thinking about what things he will achieve if able to win, it's already an inspiration. That being said, it might fuel more his desire to win.

Spence is no doubt will be the favorite to win the match but we can't rule out that an upset is always possible to happen.

There's still no early forecast from some boxing analysts of what will be the odds on this match.

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Quote from: Oasisman on January 02, 2022, 06:26:39 AM

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Ugas has been in the shadow of this great welterweights such as Spence, and now he has been given the chance to proved that he belongs in the top. He beats Pacman alright, but there is an argument that Pacman is really old and wasn't able to prepare for his style. Nevertheless this fight will define the legacy of both fighters and could look for bigger fights in the future, like unification with Crawford.

I really want to see Spence win this fight because I really wanted to see him fighting Crawford with their clean record when they step in the ring. That would be the best fight of the century since these guys are the real deal in the weight division. They need to fight this year for real because time will decrease their skill and it would not be exciting anymore if they decide to fight when they are already old.

That's something not worrying much as Spence has all the advantage for this fight. He is the most favourite to win this fight. However, I am not gonna be comfortable that Ugas won't do something to try to win this fight. He's still a champion and do everything he can to retain it. Though he defeated an old Pacman, but still a win is a win. So, I guess this won't gonna be an easy win for Spence If Ugas will play safe like what he did to Pacman.
It's sad we didn't get to see the Pacman Vs Spence fight.
Well, let's see a Crawford Vs Spence then.

Exactly, this is not going to be an easy fight for Spence, although in paper it really look that he might be the favorite by a mile, but if you have followed Ugas fights, you know that he is capable of pulling a big win just like what he did against Manny. No one is giving him chances but he surprises us all with that way he fights against the legend and win it in a spectacular fashion. But as everyone wanted to see, Crawford vs Spence is what we all been waiting for years now.

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Quote from: Oasisman on January 02, 2022, 06:26:39 AM

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Ugas has been in the shadow of this great welterweights such as Spence, and now he has been given the chance to proved that he belongs in the top. He beats Pacman alright, but there is an argument that Pacman is really old and wasn't able to prepare for his style. Nevertheless this fight will define the legacy of both fighters and could look for bigger fights in the future, like unification with Crawford.

I really want to see Spence win this fight because I really wanted to see him fighting Crawford with their clean record when they step in the ring. That would be the best fight of the century since these guys are the real deal in the weight division. They need to fight this year for real because time will decrease their skill and it would not be exciting anymore if they decide to fight when they are already old.

That's something not worrying much as Spence has all the advantage for this fight. He is the most favourite to win this fight. However, I am not gonna be comfortable that Ugas won't do something to try to win this fight. He's still a champion and do everything he can to retain it. Though he defeated an old Pacman, but still a win is a win. So, I guess this won't gonna be an easy win for Spence If Ugas will play safe like what he did to Pacman.
It's sad we didn't get to see the Pacman Vs Spence fight.
Well, let's see a Crawford Vs Spence then.

Of course, Spence is the favorite to win he is the better fighter, Ugas maybe is the champion but he beat the old Pacman (no offense to him) so he has to prove again that he is really a great fighter and that starts with beating Spence in a fight which is not an easy task to do. I hope he will train hard so even if he loses his belt, the fans would still enjoy watching the fight.

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Quote from: yazher on January 02, 2022, 12:49:16 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on January 01, 2022, 10:56:36 PM

Ugas has been in the shadow of this great welterweights such as Spence, and now he has been given the chance to proved that he belongs in the top. He beats Pacman alright, but there is an argument that Pacman is really old and wasn't able to prepare for his style. Nevertheless this fight will define the legacy of both fighters and could look for bigger fights in the future, like unification with Crawford.

I really want to see Spence win this fight because I really wanted to see him fighting Crawford with their clean record when they step in the ring. That would be the best fight of the century since these guys are the real deal in the weight division. They need to fight this year for real because time will decrease their skill and it would not be exciting anymore if they decide to fight when they are already old.

That's something not worrying much as Spence has all the advantage for this fight. He is the most favourite to win this fight. However, I am not gonna be comfortable that Ugas won't do something to try to win this fight. He's still a champion and do everything he can to retain it. Though he defeated an old Pacman, but still a win is a win. So, I guess this won't gonna be an easy win for Spence If Ugas will play safe like what he did to Pacman.
It's sad we didn't get to see the Pacman Vs Spence fight.
Well, let's see a Crawford Vs Spence then.

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Quote from: TravelMug on January 02, 2022, 01:54:11 AM

Quote from: yazher on January 02, 2022, 12:49:16 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on January 01, 2022, 10:56:36 PM

Ugas has been in the shadow of this great welterweights such as Spence, and now he has been given the chance to proved that he belongs in the top. He beats Pacman alright, but there is an argument that Pacman is really old and wasn't able to prepare for his style. Nevertheless this fight will define the legacy of both fighters and could look for bigger fights in the future, like unification with Crawford.

I really want to see Spence win this fight because I really wanted to see him fighting Crawford with their clean record when they step in the ring. That would be the best fight of the century since these guys are the real deal in the weight division. They need to fight this year for real because time will decrease their skill and it would not be exciting anymore if they decide to fight when they are already old.

Yeah, still possible though, Spence is a great fighter and maybe he can still continue to dominate and beat Ugas in a close fight and keep his record intact. So that when he faces Crawford, both of them are undefeated and it could make a good boxing story board. So let's see if Spence is 100% recovered from his eye operation in this fight and there is no ring rust as well because of his long layoffs.

Spence will be the favourite in this fight, even if Ugas beat Manny, his stock will not grow in this fight. He can still be the favourite in other fights and facing a boxer not name Spence or Crawford.

I think he has recovered by his eye operation and has been given a clean bill of heath by his doctor and clear to fight anytime he wants that's why he chooses another huge risk in choosing Ugas to be his next dance partner.

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