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Okay, ladies and gentlemen. It seems that we are finally told what is next for Errol Spence. Many reliable sources are already spreading the news about a July undisputed fight between Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence. But I will remain doubtful until I see both fighters in a build-up face-to-face marketing promotion. That is supposed to be a big PPV fight so I expect build-up conferences in some big cities to announce the big fight. Until then, I will remain this thread open. Also, I want to hear the WBC's official statement canceling its mandatory and allowing the unification to happen, otherwise, the WBC belt should become vacant. Or maybe Sulaiman is also doubtful about their baby Errol Spence and it needs further proof and evidence like a press conference to show that he is really willing to face the boogeyman who scored 13 knockouts out of his 14 last fights and that was since he moved up in weight.

The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.

Isn't it official already that the fight between Spence and Crawford has been announced by both fighter and the promotional company itself? We really don't know what's going on behind those negotiations as Crawford has his own set of advisors and maybe this is the only thing that needed though, a more experience middle man to act as a broker, unlike before it was just Crawford directly talking to the big boss of PBC and so maybe there are terms that only an advisor understands and explain it to Crawford and then giving it the go signal and we even hear that there are a rematch clause involved already.

Yeah, it's official since it's been confirmed by Showtime at the very least. Although it seems like there are no press conferences and tours before they focused on their training camps. The date is a little early so there is no time for both fighters to travel to big cities around the world to promote this fight. But at least it is happening. I don't know if Crawford hired other advisors but I know he mentioned after the fallout of the deals that he will try his very best to personally talk with Spence. Unbelievable but it worked. Spence might be also convinced after the result of Tank-Garcia PPV buys that they can also do a hundred million PPV buys which can guarantee him and Crawford a minimum of $30 million.

And after seeing an online interview on both Crawford and Spence at the same time, I am more than convinced that Spence will have no reason not to go on with this fight. Maybe Crawford should not trash-talk Spence nor show some of his scary training because it might scare Spence and will declare another injury in order to get out of this big fight. Cheesy Thanks for all the contributions.
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Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Yes, there's no choice for him as the Spence vs Crawford fight is activated again. Hopefully, this time it will become a reality because fans have been waiting for it for a long time. While a Thurman vs Spence fight would also be interesting, if we truly want to witness the best fight, it should be an undisputed bout between two undefeated champions.
Actually I already gave up waiting and let things come to happen .

its been long since the Thurman vs Spence being up and yes while it fails another set arise and what happen is still on the wait.

whatever comes will be what I may entertain and put my bets.
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Congratulations to Errol Spence, he is now inactive for a year. Maybe it is best for boxing if he stays inactive for a while. If there is no Thurman or Crawford as his next opponent, he should be stripped of his WBC. I doubt he will face Jaron Ennis after a year of inactivity, so hopefully, the IBF belt will strip him too. The WBA also has a regular champ in Stanionis which is enough to warrant as a mandatory but corrupt Mendoza is buying Spence some time and mandates a fight against Vergil Ortiz. I really hate seeing Ortiz and Stanionis fighting each other at this early stage of their careers. Maybe Ortiz should pursue the WBO belt. I want to see Ortiz, Stanionis, and Ennis become champions and then face each other in unification bouts.

He's already inactive for a year already since 16th of April because that was his last fight versus Yordenis Ugas.

As of this point, I don't know what to say anymore because the boxing industry is getting more and more corrupt as instead of giving the people the entertainment for the fight they wanted, these sanctioning bodies are even under someone else's payroll to help a boxer retain their belt for a much longer time without having any fights in the process. This should change because people will lost slowly lost interest towards the boxers and its industry if this issue drags on.

Well, it's good that many think like me, unfortunately the boxing industry is like that, and it's not just boxing, worldwide it is known that FIFA and many other sports entities are the same, it's a shame, because they prefer their monetary interests Before sports, I am a fan of soccer and contact sports, I am because I practiced them and it can be said that I still practice them and I know them, I also follow many athletes and I know what their strengths and possible weaknesses are, so The reason is that I also see that things like Spence's do not add up to me, now we will see what he will do after this, Crawford would be the one to fight, but I don't know what to think of Spence.


One thing is for sure though, this kind of holding up a fight is happening on purpose and I seriously think that Spence is just trying to buy some time as long as he could because he knows that the current Terence Crawford can literally tear him up into pieces especially now that the latter thinks that he's being toyed with Spence and Al Haymon of the PBC. They are just taking advantage of the situation while they are in the A-side that's why Crawford has no other choice but to wait.

I know that this industry is also a business industry but on the other hand, it's an entertainment industry as well meant to give people the entertainment they wanted. It's okay to make business, nobody is preventing that but at least they should balance it rather than making the belts their own hostage.

I have also thought the same thing, for me the things they are doing are very different, Spence himself must be afraid of facing him, first because he knows that Crawford has not stopped training, he is between eyebrows to make him win, then things can work out in such a way that he, as he is famous, wants to put things on hold, and fight against some boxers that he knows he can beat him with the current level he has, for Crawford he needs a lot of time to train and get in real shape He has to, as far as I'm concerned they should either force him to fight, because it's not possible for him to be a boxer and to run away from fights, that's something that doesn't look very good.
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The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.

I won't question the timing anymore. I'm just happy that this new announcement is quite reliable, so let's be optimistic that we will finally see this highly anticipated fight. If Spence isn't active and ends up losing, then it would be his fault, but I'm sure he will train hard as he has more belts at stake in this fight.

Yes, reliable and then the official announcement after that. Now all those inactivities of Spence is thrown out of the window now. He has to fight, no more tune up fight for him like the supposedly Keith Thurman. And maybe we haven't heard anything from this fight though because they might be secretly negotiating with Crawford's camp and then they let the fans second guessing if Thurman fight will push through or not. Or maybe Keith is just the second options for them, so they keep this fight in the open until they settled everything on Crawford and now it is official on July 29.
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Okay, ladies and gentlemen. It seems that we are finally told what is next for Errol Spence. Many reliable sources are already spreading the news about a July undisputed fight between Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence. But I will remain doubtful until I see both fighters in a build-up face-to-face marketing promotion. That is supposed to be a big PPV fight so I expect build-up conferences in some big cities to announce the big fight. Until then, I will remain this thread open. Also, I want to hear the WBC's official statement canceling its mandatory and allowing the unification to happen, otherwise, the WBC belt should become vacant. Or maybe Sulaiman is also doubtful about their baby Errol Spence and it needs further proof and evidence like a press conference to show that he is really willing to face the boogeyman who scored 13 knockouts out of his 14 last fights and that was since he moved up in weight.

The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.

Isn't it official already that the fight between Spence and Crawford has been announced by both fighter and the promotional company itself? We really don't know what's going on behind those negotiations as Crawford has his own set of advisors and maybe this is the only thing that needed though, a more experience middle man to act as a broker, unlike before it was just Crawford directly talking to the big boss of PBC and so maybe there are terms that only an advisor understands and explain it to Crawford and then giving it the go signal and we even hear that there are a rematch clause involved already.
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The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.

I won't question the timing anymore. I'm just happy that this new announcement is quite reliable, so let's be optimistic that we will finally see this highly anticipated fight. If Spence isn't active and ends up losing, then it would be his fault, but I'm sure he will train hard as he has more belts at stake in this fight.

Yes, I agree. After what happened in the past few months, we are still lucky because this kind of fight has been materialized. It will be too much to ask but I don't consider the fact anymore whether if they are inactive or not because what is more important to me and for the fans is that fact that this fight is finally happening after many months of dancing back and forth.

Well, for Crawford he still have the warm as he had a warm-up fight or we call it a tune-up fight in the recent months that have passed while Spence, he's been already inactive for over a year after what he did against Yordenis Ugas. Now, even before the fight has materialized or even was rumored to happen, we already know who got the upper hand and possibly that is also the reason why Spence was not that sure to pursue the fight. But what I'm trying to say is, if Crawford already got the upper hand before, how much more now that Spence has been inactive and got no fights recently. What else could he possibly do against a boxer who literally eats punches.
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The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.

I won't question the timing anymore. I'm just happy that this new announcement is quite reliable, so let's be optimistic that we will finally see this highly anticipated fight. If Spence isn't active and ends up losing, then it would be his fault, but I'm sure he will train hard as he has more belts at stake in this fight.

Yes, I agree. After what happened in the past few months, we are still lucky because this kind of fight has been materialized. It will be too much to ask but I don't consider the fact anymore whether if they are inactive or not because what is more important to me and for the fans is that fact that this fight is finally happening after many months of dancing back and forth.
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The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.

I won't question the timing anymore. I'm just happy that this new announcement is quite reliable, so let's be optimistic that we will finally see this highly anticipated fight. If Spence isn't active and ends up losing, then it would be his fault, but I'm sure he will train hard as he has more belts at stake in this fight.
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Okay, ladies and gentlemen. It seems that we are finally told what is next for Errol Spence. Many reliable sources are already spreading the news about a July undisputed fight between Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence. But I will remain doubtful until I see both fighters in a build-up face-to-face marketing promotion. That is supposed to be a big PPV fight so I expect build-up conferences in some big cities to announce the big fight. Until then, I will remain this thread open. Also, I want to hear the WBC's official statement canceling its mandatory and allowing the unification to happen, otherwise, the WBC belt should become vacant. Or maybe Sulaiman is also doubtful about their baby Errol Spence and it needs further proof and evidence like a press conference to show that he is really willing to face the boogeyman who scored 13 knockouts out of his 14 last fights and that was since he moved up in weight.

The unification fight seems weird also since Spence is now the one being inactive and all of a sudden the always-keep-it-safe Al Haymon and Showtime approved this? Or is Crawford willing to sign with PBC and commit himself to Showtime after this fight? Nonetheless, I really really hope that it is for real and Spence won't make any excuses later on.
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Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Yes, there's no choice for him as the Spence vs Crawford fight is activated again. Hopefully, this time it will become a reality because fans have been waiting for it for a long time. While a Thurman vs Spence fight would also be interesting, if we truly want to witness the best fight, it should be an undisputed bout between two undefeated champions.

During the battle between Pacquiao and Thurman, of course I was rooting for the former to win. But after the fight, I respected Thurman so much ever since he gave all the credit to Pacquiao during the fight. He acknowledged that Pacquiao was the better opponent and he respected the legend himself. With that kind of attitude of owning up to his loss, this really made me a fan of him.

Now that he will be against the disputable "golden boy" of boxing, I do wish for him to win in this fight. With the weight difference, I do think that he will have the advantage during the entire fight.

I just wished that Spence was able to fight Pacquiao during their initial agreement but such was not materialized due to the former's injury years ago. I hope that this fight materializes as this could be the fight of the year.
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^^ We are losing hope though, we haven't heard anything from either camp, and Spence has another long layoff and then Thurman just running his mouth but not saying if this fight is going to happen or not.

So it looks like this fight is going to be in the shelved for now. Maybe Spence is looking for another opponent or Thurman playing his cards and wanted to get a good pay check. Both are not getting any younger though.

Yes, the fight has been announced a long time ago but they still are so silent about the updates and the certainty of this fight.

Spence Jr. is having the time of his life without having some struggles because his belt cannot be strip off from him as the fight was made to happen at 154 and not 147. Besides, he doesn't even want to build a legacy on his name by continuing what he started as he only lack one more belt to become the undisputed champion but his fear is holding him off because the counter part is Terence Crawford which means that before he can unify all the belts, he will surely have some difficulties first or even have his first loss.

IMO, I already gave up about this mandatory fight because it doesn't really sound mandatory to me as the belt holder wasn't even taking things seriously.

On the other hand, the boxing media has been in a buzz lately because of the potential fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. And I think this is the biggest fight of the year, it could exceed the Davis vs Garcia fight in revenue (PPV sales and gate tickets).

And with that, it's obvious that this fight is going to be scraped for now. Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Could even be the biggest fight of the decade too because people all over the world has been waiting for this fight to happen for numerous years already, although we may have see another version of Pacquiao vs Mayweather in this fight but that's not important anymore as the most important thing is that it is finally materialized and do have a specific date and place about the fight. People may not be interested about the news for now but we cannot force them as we have waited in vain from their on and off negotiations.

Yes, one of the biggest in the decade because there are a lot great fights too. But if they can surpassed PPV records and be in the top 3 or even top 5 biggest PPV then for sure we will talk about this legacy fight like Pacquaio vs Mayweather.

So come July, we will have 2 of the biggest fight for this year. And hopefully for this one, they are not going to disappoint if really this fight has been settled already and we are just waiting for the final and official announcement from both camp. Just they hype alone, it's boiling already and once it's announced for sure all social media are going to explode and fans of both going crazy with back and forth arguments.
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Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Yes, there's no choice for him as the Spence vs Crawford fight is activated again. Hopefully, this time it will become a reality because fans have been waiting for it for a long time. While a Thurman vs Spence fight would also be interesting, if we truly want to witness the best fight, it should be an undisputed bout between two undefeated champions.
Eroll Spence and keith thurman is one of the awaited fight in boxing because a undefeated try to defend his record from his opponent which is only have 1 loss. And this is what a good fight when it is happen both fighter are strong enough to compete each other. Hopefully this fight will happen or else boxing committee will give us some extra ordinary fight which is both fighter have the same undefeated will fight inside the ring.

And same with the post above you, Spence vs Crawford is once again being discussed though there's not exact time frame or no
information if the negotiations were done already.

But if Spence will give Thurman a chance even in the sense that they will fight without any belts that will be at risk, the chance of seeing them inside the ring is good enough for the fans, for sure.

Still nothing or no update, but hopefully Spence will show any sign that he will fight either Crawford or Thurman.
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Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Yes, there's no choice for him as the Spence vs Crawford fight is activated again. Hopefully, this time it will become a reality because fans have been waiting for it for a long time. While a Thurman vs Spence fight would also be interesting, if we truly want to witness the best fight, it should be an undisputed bout between two undefeated champions.
Eroll Spence and keith thurman is one of the awaited fight in boxing because a undefeated try to defend his record from his opponent which is only have 1 loss. And this is what a good fight when it is happen both fighter are strong enough to compete each other. Hopefully this fight will happen or else boxing committee will give us some extra ordinary fight which is both fighter have the same undefeated will fight inside the ring.

Partially right because there are others indeed that has been waiting for the fight because Keith is back to make his name again in the industry after experiencing his first loss a couple of years ago but compared to the match-up of Spence vs Crawford, Keith Thurman seems to be out of place again.

He may be the mandatory challenger but it seems to me that Spence is not really interested in that fight at all and it will be okay if that mandatory fight will be forfeited by him as there will be no repercussions to face.
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^^ We are losing hope though, we haven't heard anything from either camp, and Spence has another long layoff and then Thurman just running his mouth but not saying if this fight is going to happen or not.

So it looks like this fight is going to be in the shelved for now. Maybe Spence is looking for another opponent or Thurman playing his cards and wanted to get a good pay check. Both are not getting any younger though.

Yes, the fight has been announced a long time ago but they still are so silent about the updates and the certainty of this fight.

Spence Jr. is having the time of his life without having some struggles because his belt cannot be strip off from him as the fight was made to happen at 154 and not 147. Besides, he doesn't even want to build a legacy on his name by continuing what he started as he only lack one more belt to become the undisputed champion but his fear is holding him off because the counter part is Terence Crawford which means that before he can unify all the belts, he will surely have some difficulties first or even have his first loss.

IMO, I already gave up about this mandatory fight because it doesn't really sound mandatory to me as the belt holder wasn't even taking things seriously.

On the other hand, the boxing media has been in a buzz lately because of the potential fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. And I think this is the biggest fight of the year, it could exceed the Davis vs Garcia fight in revenue (PPV sales and gate tickets).

And with that, it's obvious that this fight is going to be scraped for now. Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Could even be the biggest fight of the decade too because people all over the world has been waiting for this fight to happen for numerous years already, although we may have see another version of Pacquiao vs Mayweather in this fight but that's not important anymore as the most important thing is that it is finally materialized and do have a specific date and place about the fight. People may not be interested about the news for now but we cannot force them as we have waited in vain from their on and off negotiations.
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Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Yes, there's no choice for him as the Spence vs Crawford fight is activated again. Hopefully, this time it will become a reality because fans have been waiting for it for a long time. While a Thurman vs Spence fight would also be interesting, if we truly want to witness the best fight, it should be an undisputed bout between two undefeated champions.
Eroll Spence and keith thurman is one of the awaited fight in boxing because a undefeated try to defend his record from his opponent which is only have 1 loss. And this is what a good fight when it is happen both fighter are strong enough to compete each other. Hopefully this fight will happen or else boxing committee will give us some extra ordinary fight which is both fighter have the same undefeated will fight inside the ring.
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Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.

Yes, there's no choice for him as the Spence vs Crawford fight is activated again. Hopefully, this time it will become a reality because fans have been waiting for it for a long time. While a Thurman vs Spence fight would also be interesting, if we truly want to witness the best fight, it should be an undisputed bout between two undefeated champions.
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^^ We are losing hope though, we haven't heard anything from either camp, and Spence has another long layoff and then Thurman just running his mouth but not saying if this fight is going to happen or not.

So it looks like this fight is going to be in the shelved for now. Maybe Spence is looking for another opponent or Thurman playing his cards and wanted to get a good pay check. Both are not getting any younger though.

Yes, the fight has been announced a long time ago but they still are so silent about the updates and the certainty of this fight.

Spence Jr. is having the time of his life without having some struggles because his belt cannot be strip off from him as the fight was made to happen at 154 and not 147. Besides, he doesn't even want to build a legacy on his name by continuing what he started as he only lack one more belt to become the undisputed champion but his fear is holding him off because the counter part is Terence Crawford which means that before he can unify all the belts, he will surely have some difficulties first or even have his first loss.

IMO, I already gave up about this mandatory fight because it doesn't really sound mandatory to me as the belt holder wasn't even taking things seriously.

On the other hand, the boxing media has been in a buzz lately because of the potential fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. And I think this is the biggest fight of the year, it could exceed the Davis vs Garcia fight in revenue (PPV sales and gate tickets).

And with that, it's obvious that this fight is going to be scraped for now. Thurman might go back to his regular job now as a boxing analyst and who knows when will be his next fight as it looks like he doesn't have the fire inside of him as we have seen in his last fight against Barrios.
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^^ We are losing hope though, we haven't heard anything from either camp, and Spence has another long layoff and then Thurman just running his mouth but not saying if this fight is going to happen or not.

So it looks like this fight is going to be in the shelved for now. Maybe Spence is looking for another opponent or Thurman playing his cards and wanted to get a good pay check. Both are not getting any younger though.

Yes, the fight has been announced a long time ago but they still are so silent about the updates and the certainty of this fight.

Spence Jr. is having the time of his life without having some struggles because his belt cannot be strip off from him as the fight was made to happen at 154 and not 147. Besides, he doesn't even want to build a legacy on his name by continuing what he started as he only lack one more belt to become the undisputed champion but his fear is holding him off because the counter part is Terence Crawford which means that before he can unify all the belts, he will surely have some difficulties first or even have his first loss.

IMO, I already gave up about this mandatory fight because it doesn't really sound mandatory to me as the belt holder wasn't even taking things seriously.
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^^ We are losing hope though, we haven't heard anything from either camp, and Spence has another long layoff and then Thurman just running his mouth but not saying if this fight is going to happen or not.

So it looks like this fight is going to be in the shelved for now. Maybe Spence is looking for another opponent or Thurman playing his cards and wanted to get a good pay check. Both are not getting any younger though.
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I think that everyone here is hoping that we can see the great fight between Spence and Crawford,I have been one of those who has searched for information everywhere to see if I can have some effectiveness, I recently found something, but the result has not been Found now given more information about where this fight was going to take place  and I was one of the most happy about this, however, I did not find more information, I do not know if they would release that type of information to generate emotions, controversies, but the intention to make this fight is Necessary, I hope it can Happen and thus see a Fight of a High Level.

The truth seems to me that Spence is not very well regarded from a sporting point of view, I don't know why he doesn't give him a rematch, ...


Wait, who is the fighter that you are referring to that Spence should give a rematch to? Is it Thurman? Because the last time I checked, they haven't fought yet. Thurman has only one defeat, and that came from Pacman. Thurman and Spence have a similarity in that they both beat Shawn Porter, but I can say that Thurman did better compared to Spence.

Yes, obviously Thurman's, but the one that is really on everyone's lips is the one that has not yet happened and the fight between Spence and Crawfoerd is the most anticipated, many speculations have been made, in fact I recently shared an article I know it wasn't fake. but since things in boxing are handled from another point of view, which is that of money, I don't know what forces are influencing there so that this fight does not take place, the truth is that I don't see the point, since Spende has pending that of Thurman, well let it happen, but really the one that is most important I think is against Crawford.


Wait, slow down for a bit mate. Did you just say that it's obvious, Thurman?
I reckon that you should check your facts first because I don't think that Errol Spence Jr. and Keith Thurman have already faced each other in one same ring because certainly, that kind of bout did not happen, so there shouldn't be a rematch in the first place because these two haven't fought each other yet.

What really happened was when Spence Jr. was still in his early days in this industry asked Thurman for his chance to fight but the latter did not agree because Spence was not known at that point and he doesn't have at least any interim belts on him, so there's no benefit for Thurman if he will fight Spence at that time.
Yes, they haven't fight yet, and this should be the first time but we haven't heard about if this fight is on the making or not.

Thurman held the belt and one of the best at this division when Spence is still trying to make his name. So obviously, he wasn't given priority by Thurman yet.e But time has change, Thurman got injured, and he was not the same anymore as he lose his prime years and then he was beaten by Pacquiao.

On the other hand, Spence became the champion when Thurman was absent.

One of the worst things that has happened to Thurman is that he lost against the great Pacquiao, because that has marked him so much that even in these debates it makes itself felt, now I think that through the years he has managed to improve his technique and can have better control of your strength, your skills and above all know what your true capabilities are so you can see how far you can resist, this in the world of boxing is very valuable because it is the easiest way to measure levels Obviously many believe in Thurman, but you have to see how he is performing now after all that experience.
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