Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman - page 17.

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Quote from: Distinctin on February 11, 2023, 09:37:41 AM

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Well Spence believed that he has cemented his legacy, or at least somewhat may lead him to believed that. Even saying that they don't need to fight Bud Crawford for unification is really absurd.

It's too early for him to conclude that, if he really thinks about that, then he should retire from boxing rather than dodging the best fighters just to ensure he'll keep his undefeated record. No hate for Spence, but with the way he is acting, he doesn't look like a real champion to me, I think he believes that being undefeated will make him a great boxer, but he is wrong, for sure a lot will agree with me on that.

Agree with you mate and yes thats a big mistake for him to avoid fighting in stronger or tough opponent which is he knew that once he fight a strong fighter for sure there's a 50% win and 50% loss. And if this kind of attitude he will continue then also for me he is not totally a champion and a great boxer because we all know that once you are a champion you will need fight much stronger to defend you belt and prove to the people that you are the one.

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Quote from: Jating on February 11, 2023, 09:11:53 AM

Well Spence believed that he has cemented his legacy, or at least somewhat may lead him to believed that. Even saying that they don't need to fight Bud Crawford for unification is really absurd.

It's too early for him to conclude that, if he really thinks about that, then he should retire from boxing rather than dodging the best fighters just to ensure he'll keep his undefeated record. No hate for Spence, but with the way he is acting, he doesn't look like a real champion to me, I think he believes that being undefeated will make him a great boxer, but he is wrong, for sure a lot will agree with me on that.

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Quote from: Getmon on February 11, 2023, 06:25:38 AM

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Is it true that the fight between Spence and Thurman does not take place in the welterweight division? And their match will be deemed mandatory by the WBC? How accurate is that? It is confusing. It is unfair not only to Thurman but also to the other boxers if this were true. Are Errol Spence and the WBC not ashamed of what they have done to boxing fans like us? The rules are simple: defend the belt or remove it so that other boxers can settle for it. These days, boxing is all about money. Only a few boxers want to be matched with the best and leave memorable fights and victories when it is time to hang up their gloves.

Yes, they are going to fight at 154 lbs, not 147 lbs wherein Spence has 3 belts and if you back read, we have discussed it already and worst WBC has set a precedence on this event and for sure in the future we will see this kind of setup that doesn't sounds right.

Boxing is pure business, it's all about the money as you have said.

It's no longer best against the best, most of the time, like the Spence vs Crawford that broke down, we as fans are getting rob by good fights.

This is simply unbelievable. I never heard of this before in boxing. The WBC is accepting this to make matters worse. Why is it that there are no prominent boxing personalities and the media criticizing this blatant activity? Spence is also pleased about this. Errol Spence clearly does not want to be great; rather, he wants to make money and feed his ego. A boxer who wants to be great will undoubtedly defend his titles with pride. Or he could move up, leave his belts open to newcomers, and try to win a second division belt. It is as easy as that. Boxing rules ought not to be difficult.

You are not the one to see this fight as somewhat of a joke and WBC allowing this to happen, bending their own rule so that everyone is going to be happy with the money that they are going to make in this fight.

Well Spence believed that he has cemented his legacy, or at least somewhat may lead him to believed that. Even saying that they don't need to fight Bud Crawford for unification is really absurd.

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Just like Lomachenko, he also preferred to have a safer bout rather than pursuing the fight and suffer the consequence later. I believe Keith Thurman had the same vision as that fight was just their comeback fight, not a huge comeback that we expected but I guess they are just taking their time to adjust from their inactivity. Their upcoming fight will determine if their comeback bout was already saying it all or not.

They are lucky to have this big comeback as the win here will surely put them on the top. Especially for Thurman who is not a champion anymore but still think he can go toe to toe against the champions in this division, no belts, it's quite unfair, but that's how it is, as long as Thurman wins, then he'll just thread what's next for him which I believe a very good future.

Some people say that Thurman is not anymore in his prime, but they failed to understand that Thurman only has one loss, though his last win isn't that convincing we have to base it on numbers. Thurman might have one loss but I'm sure he is proud of that loss as he was able to fight the one and only 8th division champion, it was an honor for him.

Now, this is the real fight, fans should not think Spence will have this fight easily win because I don't see that happening.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 10, 2023, 06:28:56 PM

Just like Lomachenko, he also preferred to have a safer bout rather than pursuing the fight and suffer the consequence later. I believe Keith Thurman had the same vision as that fight was just their comeback fight, not a huge comeback that we expected but I guess they are just taking their time to adjust from their inactivity. Their upcoming fight will determine if their comeback bout was already saying it all or not.

They are lucky to have this big comeback as the win here will surely put them on the top. Especially for Thurman who is not a champion anymore but still think he can go toe to toe against the champions in this division, no belts, it's quite unfair, but that's how it is, as long as Thurman wins, then he'll just thread what's next for him which I believe a very good future.

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However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

Yes, it was an ugly win as we are expecting he will come back strong, like winning via KO. Well, I guess Thurman has learned his lesson, he doesn't want to be too complacent, it's enough for him to win via decision than loses control and make mistakes that will lead to another L. His comeback may not that impressive, but a win is a win, and that's the reason why he is here given a shot to beat Spence.

I think majority is expecting that, even boxing analyst share that same thoughts that Thurman will win by KO because first, Barrios just came from a lost from Davis at 140 lbs, a Tank Davis that usually campaigns at 135 lbs. Second the fight is welterweight, 147 lbs wherein Thurman's natural weight and used to be a champion. But the fight is not even what we call a comeback fight for Thurman because his win is thru the judges scorecard. He can't even knockout a boxer that just move up in weight and not known to have a good chin.

Just like Lomachenko, he also preferred to have a safer bout rather than pursuing the fight and suffer the consequence later. I believe Keith Thurman had the same vision as that fight was just their comeback fight, not a huge comeback that we expected but I guess they are just taking their time to adjust from their inactivity. Their upcoming fight will determine if their comeback bout was already saying it all or not.

It could be, but what are the chances that Barrios could have pulled an upset on him? Although the score is like 117-111 and 118-110 (twice), still though, there are moments when Thurman looks vulnerable.

@Getmon - if I'm not mistaken, there has been a lot of critics of Spence when they hear this fight going to be on 154 lbs weight limit. But as far as the WBC goes, everyone is quiet on it. Maybe after this fight we will see some boxing websites going to expressed disapproval of what this fight turn out to be.

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Quote from: Jating on February 10, 2023, 08:35:06 AM

Quote from: Getmon on February 10, 2023, 04:59:19 AM

Is it true that the fight between Spence and Thurman does not take place in the welterweight division? And their match will be deemed mandatory by the WBC? How accurate is that? It is confusing. It is unfair not only to Thurman but also to the other boxers if this were true. Are Errol Spence and the WBC not ashamed of what they have done to boxing fans like us? The rules are simple: defend the belt or remove it so that other boxers can settle for it. These days, boxing is all about money. Only a few boxers want to be matched with the best and leave memorable fights and victories when it is time to hang up their gloves.

Yes, they are going to fight at 154 lbs, not 147 lbs wherein Spence has 3 belts and if you back read, we have discussed it already and worst WBC has set a precedence on this event and for sure in the future we will see this kind of setup that doesn't sounds right.

Boxing is pure business, it's all about the money as you have said.

It's no longer best against the best, most of the time, like the Spence vs Crawford that broke down, we as fans are getting rob by good fights.

This is simply unbelievable. I never heard of this before in boxing. The WBC is accepting this to make matters worse. Why is it that there are no prominent boxing personalities and the media criticizing this blatant activity? Spence is also pleased about this. Errol Spence clearly does not want to be great; rather, he wants to make money and feed his ego. A boxer who wants to be great will undoubtedly defend his titles with pride. Or he could move up, leave his belts open to newcomers, and try to win a second division belt. It is as easy as that. Boxing rules ought not to be difficult.

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However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

Yes, it was an ugly win as we are expecting he will come back strong, like winning via KO. Well, I guess Thurman has learned his lesson, he doesn't want to be too complacent, it's enough for him to win via decision than loses control and make mistakes that will lead to another L. His comeback may not that impressive, but a win is a win, and that's the reason why he is here given a shot to beat Spence.

I think majority is expecting that, even boxing analyst share that same thoughts that Thurman will win by KO because first, Barrios just came from a lost from Davis at 140 lbs, a Tank Davis that usually campaigns at 135 lbs. Second the fight is welterweight, 147 lbs wherein Thurman's natural weight and used to be a champion. But the fight is not even what we call a comeback fight for Thurman because his win is thru the judges scorecard. He can't even knockout a boxer that just move up in weight and not known to have a good chin.

Just like Lomachenko, he also preferred to have a safer bout rather than pursuing the fight and suffer the consequence later. I believe Keith Thurman had the same vision as that fight was just their comeback fight, not a huge comeback that we expected but I guess they are just taking their time to adjust from their inactivity. Their upcoming fight will determine if their comeback bout was already saying it all or not.

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If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

This is really a nice opportunity for Thurman to prove himself without a doubt when he gonna win against Spence. After all, it will gonna be who has the best strategy anyway. You can say Spence got all the skills and physicality to have the advantage in this fight but both of them can punch well. Also, Thurman has the ability that hooked Manny Pacquiao when it comes to his power punches. He just really needs to carefully study how will he gonna lands it on Spence with the right timing to win this fight.

I agree both have that power punch and if given a chance Thurman can upset Spence with those solid combinations. He almost beat
Pacquiao if it's not because of his early knock down.

I would like to see him being careful and analyze how Spence will throw his attack, give some jabs and try to avoid being hit by Spence
solid combination.

He needs to prepare and create good strategy to upset and hype his name up!

Well, there is no denying that Thurman's punching is great, and I remember well when that fight against the legendary Pacquiao, if we look at Thurman's technique is good, the combinations are formidable.Spence is very strong, one of the boxers who has a very good reputation and if Thurman manages to beat Spence it would be a feat, I would like that, but the chances of Thurman winning are low, that translates into a great bias for Spence.
Thurman wants to, and that's what moves him, very hungry to win and like all humans, he is anxious and nervous.

Whenever a fight with the great Pacquiao is compared, things can be analyzed from another point of view, it is much more attractive.

Yes, It can be a biased decision if the Thurman will not KO Spence as we know how the organization's favoring Spence,
Thurman can't win this one if decision will be judge.

I can see your point, and nothing can change that view, we should be happy though as the fight will take place even It isn't a title fight.

Good luck to all who will going to bet for them.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 09, 2023, 08:07:43 AM

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However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

Yes, it was an ugly win as we are expecting he will come back strong, like winning via KO. Well, I guess Thurman has learned his lesson, he doesn't want to be too complacent, it's enough for him to win via decision than loses control and make mistakes that will lead to another L. His comeback may not that impressive, but a win is a win, and that's the reason why he is here given a shot to beat Spence.

I think majority is expecting that, even boxing analyst share that same thoughts that Thurman will win by KO because first, Barrios just came from a lost from Davis at 140 lbs, a Tank Davis that usually campaigns at 135 lbs. Second the fight is welterweight, 147 lbs wherein Thurman's natural weight and used to be a champion. But the fight is not even what we call a comeback fight for Thurman because his win is thru the judges scorecard. He can't even knockout a boxer that just move up in weight and not known to have a good chin.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 29, 2023, 01:37:11 PM

Quote from: yazher on January 29, 2023, 10:06:23 AM

Quote from: Japinat on January 29, 2023, 01:48:33 AM

If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

This is really a nice opportunity for Thurman to prove himself without a doubt when he gonna win against Spence. After all, it will gonna be who has the best strategy anyway. You can say Spence got all the skills and physicality to have the advantage in this fight but both of them can punch well. Also, Thurman has the ability that hooked Manny Pacquiao when it comes to his power punches. He just really needs to carefully study how will he gonna lands it on Spence with the right timing to win this fight.

I agree both have that power punch and if given a chance Thurman can upset Spence with those solid combinations. He almost beat
Pacquiao if it's not because of his early knock down.

I would like to see him being careful and analyze how Spence will throw his attack, give some jabs and try to avoid being hit by Spence
solid combination.

He needs to prepare and create good strategy to upset and hype his name up!

Well, there is no denying that Thurman's punching is great, and I remember well when that fight against the legendary Pacquiao, if we look at Thurman's technique is good, the combinations are formidable.Spence is very strong, one of the boxers who has a very good reputation and if Thurman manages to beat Spence it would be a feat, I would like that, but the chances of Thurman winning are low, that translates into a great bias for Spence.
Thurman wants to, and that's what moves him, very hungry to win and like all humans, he is anxious and nervous.

Whenever a fight with the great Pacquiao is compared, things can be analyzed from another point of view, it is much more attractive.

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Quote from: Getmon on February 10, 2023, 04:59:19 AM

Is it true that the fight between Spence and Thurman does not take place in the welterweight division? And their match will be deemed mandatory by the WBC? How accurate is that? It is confusing. It is unfair not only to Thurman but also to the other boxers if this were true. Are Errol Spence and the WBC not ashamed of what they have done to boxing fans like us? The rules are simple: defend the belt or remove it so that other boxers can settle for it. These days, boxing is all about money. Only a few boxers want to be matched with the best and leave memorable fights and victories when it is time to hang up their gloves.

Yes, they are going to fight at 154 lbs, not 147 lbs wherein Spence has 3 belts and if you back read, we have discussed it already and worst WBC has set a precedence on this event and for sure in the future we will see this kind of setup that doesn't sounds right.

Boxing is pure business, it's all about the money as you have said.

It's no longer best against the best, most of the time, like the Spence vs Crawford that broke down, we as fans are getting rob by good fights.

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Is it true that the fight between Spence and Thurman does not take place in the welterweight division? And their match will be deemed mandatory by the WBC? How accurate is that? It is confusing. It is unfair not only to Thurman but also to the other boxers if this were true. Are Errol Spence and the WBC not ashamed of what they have done to boxing fans like us? The rules are simple: defend the belt or remove it so that other boxers can settle for it. These days, boxing is all about money. Only a few boxers want to be matched with the best and leave memorable fights and victories when it is time to hang up their gloves.

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However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

Yes, it was an ugly win as we are expecting he will come back strong, like winning via KO. Well, I guess Thurman has learned his lesson, he doesn't want to be too complacent, it's enough for him to win via decision than loses control and make mistakes that will lead to another L. His comeback may not that impressive, but a win is a win, and that's the reason why he is here given a shot to beat Spence.

Of course a win is a win for him, he just need to get back his confidence again after his defeat on the hands of Manny Pacquiao wherein he was confident leading up to the fight that he will defeat that 'midget', but it was a different story.

And now he has a good chance to comeback and impress us again vs Spence. But it's going to be slim for him, and I will say that he lost a thing or two after his injuries and not seeing the same Thurman after his defeat by Manny.

He needs to bring his confidence and allow his old self to come back, after that defeat from Pacquiao he's no longer the same Thurman that
have a full confidence with his talent and skills.

That Barrios fight which supposedly his good and impactful comeback ended up into a judge decision, he can KO Barrios as the guy is not on
his comfort zone.

But this opportunity to fight against Spence, it's really an anticipating toe-to-toe confrontation between them.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 09, 2023, 08:07:43 AM

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However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

Yes, it was an ugly win as we are expecting he will come back strong, like winning via KO. Well, I guess Thurman has learned his lesson, he doesn't want to be too complacent, it's enough for him to win via decision than loses control and make mistakes that will lead to another L. His comeback may not that impressive, but a win is a win, and that's the reason why he is here given a shot to beat Spence.

Of course a win is a win for him, he just need to get back his confidence again after his defeat on the hands of Manny Pacquiao wherein he was confident leading up to the fight that he will defeat that 'midget', but it was a different story.

And now he has a good chance to comeback and impress us again vs Spence. But it's going to be slim for him, and I will say that he lost a thing or two after his injuries and not seeing the same Thurman after his defeat by Manny.

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 09, 2023, 06:37:57 AM

However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

Yes, it was an ugly win as we are expecting he will come back strong, like winning via KO. Well, I guess Thurman has learned his lesson, he doesn't want to be too complacent, it's enough for him to win via decision than loses control and make mistakes that will lead to another L. His comeback may not that impressive, but a win is a win, and that's the reason why he is here given a shot to beat Spence.

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<>and when Spence will gonna just finish Thurman easily, then there will be no point in him fighting anybody except Crawford.

It's not gonna happen, if Spence even struggle against Porter, I think Thurman is the better fighter than Porter, so in case Spence will win, that should not be an easy fight. In fact, I think Spence is just overrated, he just know how to choose his opponent well to maintain his clean record, but this time, he is wrong in choosing Thurman.

After his loss to Manny Pacquiao, Thurman has participated in just one fight (against Mario Barrios). That is one fight in almost three and half years. And even during the fight against Barrios he didn't looked very confident. Eventually he won by UD, but that was against someone who lost to Gervonta Davis by TKO. The match was closer than what the scores suggested (117-111 and 2x 118-110). Spence just need to stay focused. The only possibility of a Thurman win, is in case Spence makes a mistake (or gets overconfident).

Different opponents might result in a different outcome, so it's hard to conclude that Spence will just easily beat Thurman when they face. And after that fight with Barrios, I'm sure Thurman does not stop improving himself as he know he will be up against a bigger battle, and that is what's gonna happen soon.

Of course, it will always be the case, there is no comparison fight in boxing, or as what they said, triangle theory in here.

However, we can say that Thurman didn't really perform well against Barrios, everyone is expecting that he will come back strong and make a statement win. Barrios is not even a legitimate 147 lbs, he just move up in weight but Thurman just win by the judges decision.

And now he is going to fight the best of the welterweight but going up in super welterweight.

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<>and when Spence will gonna just finish Thurman easily, then there will be no point in him fighting anybody except Crawford.

It's not gonna happen, if Spence even struggle against Porter, I think Thurman is the better fighter than Porter, so in case Spence will win, that should not be an easy fight. In fact, I think Spence is just overrated, he just know how to choose his opponent well to maintain his clean record, but this time, he is wrong in choosing Thurman.

After his loss to Manny Pacquiao, Thurman has participated in just one fight (against Mario Barrios). That is one fight in almost three and half years. And even during the fight against Barrios he didn't looked very confident. Eventually he won by UD, but that was against someone who lost to Gervonta Davis by TKO. The match was closer than what the scores suggested (117-111 and 2x 118-110). Spence just need to stay focused. The only possibility of a Thurman win, is in case Spence makes a mistake (or gets overconfident).

Different opponents might result in a different outcome, so it's hard to conclude that Spence will just easily beat Thurman when they face. And after that fight with Barrios, I'm sure Thurman does not stop improving himself as he know he will be up against a bigger battle, and that is what's gonna happen soon.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 08, 2023, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: yazher on February 08, 2023, 05:05:37 AM

<>and when Spence will gonna just finish Thurman easily, then there will be no point in him fighting anybody except Crawford.

It's not gonna happen, if Spence even struggle against Porter, I think Thurman is the better fighter than Porter, so in case Spence will win, that should not be an easy fight. In fact, I think Spence is just overrated, he just know how to choose his opponent well to maintain his clean record, but this time, he is wrong in choosing Thurman.

After his loss to Manny Pacquiao, Thurman has participated in just one fight (against Mario Barrios). That is one fight in almost three and half years. And even during the fight against Barrios he didn't looked very confident. Eventually he won by UD, but that was against someone who lost to Gervonta Davis by TKO. The match was closer than what the scores suggested (117-111 and 2x 118-110). Spence just need to stay focused. The only possibility of a Thurman win, is in case Spence makes a mistake (or gets overconfident).

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Quote from: yazher on February 08, 2023, 05:05:37 AM

<>and when Spence will gonna just finish Thurman easily, then there will be no point in him fighting anybody except Crawford.

It's not gonna happen, if Spence even struggle against Porter, I think Thurman is the better fighter than Porter, so in case Spence will win, that should not be an easy fight. In fact, I think Spence is just overrated, he just know how to choose his opponent well to maintain his clean record, but this time, he is wrong in choosing Thurman.

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