Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman - page 20.

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If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

This is really a nice opportunity for Thurman to prove himself without a doubt when he gonna win against Spence. After all, it will gonna be who has the best strategy anyway. You can say Spence got all the skills and physicality to have the advantage in this fight but both of them can punch well. Also, Thurman has the ability that hooked Manny Pacquiao when it comes to his power punches. He just really needs to carefully study how will he gonna lands it on Spence with the right timing to win this fight.

I agree both have that power punch and if given a chance Thurman can upset Spence with those solid combinations. He almost beat
Pacquiao if it's not because of his early knock down.

I would like to see him being careful and analyze how Spence will throw his attack, give some jabs and try to avoid being hit by Spence
solid combination.

He needs to prepare and create good strategy to upset and hype his name up!

Thurman fought a different Manny Pacquiao. When that old version of Pacquiao fought Ugas, look what happened to him. Additionally, Errol Spence just brutally attacked and mauled Ugas into submission. Thurman should study the weaknesses of Spence in order to take advantage of them. The defense of Spence is questionable because he has been hit numerous times in his past fights. But the champion Spence is certainly at a higher level of the Pacquiao who fought Thurman.

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If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

This is really a nice opportunity for Thurman to prove himself without a doubt when he gonna win against Spence. After all, it will gonna be who has the best strategy anyway. You can say Spence got all the skills and physicality to have the advantage in this fight but both of them can punch well. Also, Thurman has the ability that hooked Manny Pacquiao when it comes to his power punches. He just really needs to carefully study how will he gonna lands it on Spence with the right timing to win this fight.

I agree both have that power punch and if given a chance Thurman can upset Spence with those solid combinations. He almost beat
Pacquiao if it's not because of his early knock down.

I would like to see him being careful and analyze how Spence will throw his attack, give some jabs and try to avoid being hit by Spence
solid combination.

He needs to prepare and create good strategy to upset and hype his name up!

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In any case though, all fingers point to Errol Spence and his camp regarding the fall out, and it seems that he is not denying it isn't it? because we just hear him and his team says that they don't need Crawford because they have cemented their legacy already. But as fans we think otherwise, we need to see this fight happening as we want to see the best fighting against each other, and that is the history of that division.

People already know the truth and it's evident enough why all fingers are pointing towards Errol Spence Jr. and Al Haymon, the fact is, the played Terence Crawford for months and let him expect that a fight will materialize. They haven't thought about their move well that someday it would backfire at them as they can't just hold those belts forever even if they got some influence.

Spence's camp are just hiding behind the reason that they already cemented their legacy, therefore Crawford won't be needed anymore. Honestly, when did they cemented it? After Ugas fight? Grin

They can't honestly fool everyone with that kind of shallow reasoning.

Yes, I think they are and probably this is what they have brainwash Spence for thinking that he had a good career and cemented his career at 147 lbs without fighting Crawford.

I would agree that he has a good resume, no doubt, but there is one name missing in that record and that is Terrence Crawford.

So in any case he beat Thurman, still though there is this huge question in front of him for not fighting Bud.

I really doubt that Spence cemented his legacy already. He owns 3 belts in the division but he is still not considered the lineal and Ring belt champion of the division because the rule is for #1 and #2 to fight each other for the vacant Ring belt and be considered lineal. I say Errol Spence's name will never be considered in the Hall of Fame with his current accomplishments. If Spence has no plans to face Crawford then he needs to become undisputed at 154 or at least conquer 2 more divisions in order to cement his legacy in the Hall of Fame.

While Terrence Crawford has more than enough to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. In reality, it is Crawford that do not need Spence when it comes to legacy. Crawford is already a 3 division champion and was the first undisputed champion at 140 in this 4-belt era. But Crawford clearly wanted more to his legacy as he is also aiming to become the first ever 2 or 3-division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era. What's stopping Crawford from that chance is Spence and his close friend Jermell Charlo the undisputed champion at 154.

I will say neither hasn't cemented their legacy yet hehehe. They need more fight and to beat a lot of boxers from 147 lbs to 154 lbs and win belts or need to unify. So I'm not sure about those excuses by Spence camp about them not needed Crawford and vice versa.

It's maybe that we are really in a era that boxers are into the business of making money and not for their legacy in this sports. If we were like in the 80's or 90's this two could have fought already and who knows, maybe a rematch or trilogy is needed to settle as who is the best. But today, we won't see that chance for Crawford and Spence because there are a lot of restrictions and limitations.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 29, 2023, 01:48:33 AM

If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

This is really a nice opportunity for Thurman to prove himself without a doubt when he gonna win against Spence. After all, it will gonna be who has the best strategy anyway. You can say Spence got all the skills and physicality to have the advantage in this fight but both of them can punch well. Also, Thurman has the ability that hooked Manny Pacquiao when it comes to his power punches. He just really needs to carefully study how will he gonna lands it on Spence with the right timing to win this fight.

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I hope to see Spence being penalized in this action and stripped him of the belt if possible. This is one aspect of not showing respect to the governing body.

That won't happen. Spence Jr. is truly loved by the WBC. They are the ones controlling the game and not Spence's camp alone.

After this fight though, Spence should stick with his current stand to fight at 154 lbs from now on even if that's a clear ducking to Terence Crawford.

The turnaround of event would be, if Keith Thurman will able to upset Spence but honestly I don't see it from happening.

Yeah, if Thurman will manage to beat Spence, there's really a change in directions as social media will hype Thurman's name and will
lead him to have that chance to challenge Crawford.

Just my opinion, but if Spence is ducking Crawford, I see that Thurman will take his shot
it's a good money fight plus a possible belt if in case that Crawford will accept the challenge without
any condition about the belt that will be at stake.

That could be a good fight as well, Crawford vs Thurman, but I'm leaning towards Crawford if that fight materialized. Nevertheless if might not happen as well as we all know that Thurman is affiliated with PBC so hard to see how the negotiations will be.

So this is probably then next best fight, but then again, happening at 154 lbs and if I'm not mistaken, there are no belts in the line.

Thurman will not be recognized even if he upset Spence here.

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I hope to see Spence being penalized in this action and stripped him of the belt if possible. This is one aspect of not showing respect to the governing body.

That won't happen. Spence Jr. is truly loved by the WBC. They are the ones controlling the game and not Spence's camp alone.

After this fight though, Spence should stick with his current stand to fight at 154 lbs from now on even if that's a clear ducking to Terence Crawford.

The turnaround of event would be, if Keith Thurman will able to upset Spence but honestly I don't see it from happening.

Yeah, if Thurman will manage to beat Spence, there's really a change in directions as social media will hype Thurman's name and will
lead him to have that chance to challenge Crawford.

Just my opinion, but if Spence is ducking Crawford, I see that Thurman will take his shot
it's a good money fight plus a possible belt if in case that Crawford will accept the challenge without
any condition about the belt that will be at stake.

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I hope to see Spence being penalized in this action and stripped him of the belt if possible. This is one aspect of not showing respect to the governing body.

That won't happen. Spence Jr. is truly loved by the WBC. They are the ones controlling the game and not Spence's camp alone.

After this fight though, Spence should stick with his current stand to fight at 154 lbs from now on even if that's a clear ducking to Terence Crawford.

Maybe the will prove us wrong and he will fight Crawford to add something on his legacy. That's why I wish but for now, it looks obvious that he is ducking Crawford.

Quote from: harizen on January 28, 2023, 02:38:28 PM

The turnaround of event would be, if Keith Thurman will able to upset Spence but honestly I don't see it from happening.

If we don't like what Spence is doing, then this upset would be the best revenge to teach him a lesson.
Well, whatever the controversies are and the speculation of the people, I just want to see a good fight between Thurman and Spence.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 27, 2023, 06:16:12 PM

I hope to see Spence being penalized in this action and stripped him of the belt if possible. This is one aspect of not showing respect to the governing body.

That won't happen. Spence Jr. is truly loved by the WBC. They are the ones controlling the game and not Spence's camp alone.

After this fight though, Spence should stick with his current stand to fight at 154 lbs from now on even if that's a clear ducking to Terence Crawford.

The turnaround of event would be, if Keith Thurman will able to upset Spence but honestly I don't see it from happening.

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In any case though, all fingers point to Errol Spence and his camp regarding the fall out, and it seems that he is not denying it isn't it? because we just hear him and his team says that they don't need Crawford because they have cemented their legacy already. But as fans we think otherwise, we need to see this fight happening as we want to see the best fighting against each other, and that is the history of that division.

People already know the truth and it's evident enough why all fingers are pointing towards Errol Spence Jr. and Al Haymon, the fact is, the played Terence Crawford for months and let him expect that a fight will materialize. They haven't thought about their move well that someday it would backfire at them as they can't just hold those belts forever even if they got some influence.

Spence's camp are just hiding behind the reason that they already cemented their legacy, therefore Crawford won't be needed anymore. Honestly, when did they cemented it? After Ugas fight? Grin

They can't honestly fool everyone with that kind of shallow reasoning.

Yes, I think they are and probably this is what they have brainwash Spence for thinking that he had a good career and cemented his career at 147 lbs without fighting Crawford.

I would agree that he has a good resume, no doubt, but there is one name missing in that record and that is Terrence Crawford.

So in any case he beat Thurman, still though there is this huge question in front of him for not fighting Bud.

I really doubt that Spence cemented his legacy already. He owns 3 belts in the division but he is still not considered the lineal and Ring belt champion of the division because the rule is for #1 and #2 to fight each other for the vacant Ring belt and be considered lineal. I say Errol Spence's name will never be considered in the Hall of Fame with his current accomplishments. If Spence has no plans to face Crawford then he needs to become undisputed at 154 or at least conquer 2 more divisions in order to cement his legacy in the Hall of Fame.

While Terrence Crawford has more than enough to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. In reality, it is Crawford that do not need Spence when it comes to legacy. Crawford is already a 3 division champion and was the first undisputed champion at 140 in this 4-belt era. But Crawford clearly wanted more to his legacy as he is also aiming to become the first ever 2 or 3-division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era. What's stopping Crawford from that chance is Spence and his close friend Jermell Charlo the undisputed champion at 154.

That's just another way of Spence from saying that he is indeed scared of the risky situation that Crawford will bring if he agrees to fight him in a unification match. He can say all he wants and that his legacy is already cemented but no one will believe him because people know the truth and he will be a laughing stock in the whole boxing industry for running away from Crawford and this time, bringing the fight towards the super-welter so that he won't have the chance of losing his belt because Thurman is still a threat.

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^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

I agree, I wouldn't call this mandatory defense as there are no belts on the line and then the fight is going at 154 lbs wherein the order was to fight at 147 lbs. Nevertheless, it seems that this fight is a go already, Thurman could have agreed.

I was not aware of the rant though, but I'm not surprise by the reaction of boxing analyst and even boxers are really this fight is sort of a joke and it's bad that the organizations has allowed this kind of set up.

Spence will be fighting not using his status as champion, it's more like an exhibition fight because winners will get nothing, aside from the money base on their agreement. However, I believe this is good than not seeing them fight, Spence does not want Crawford, so at least Spence were able to fight a decent challenger which is Thurman. To be honest, despite Spence is the favorite, I still see Thurman going on top here.

Yeah, I go with that opinion better than not seeing him fighting a decent challenger, even it's more on the money side and there's
no belt that they will going to stake.

The moment they meet inside the ring is far better than not seeing any fight like this, Thurman will take pride and with his intention
to bring his name up again, he may push his limit to try winning this fight.

Let see if how things will proceed between these two decent fighters, an old champ against the current champ!

And we shouldn't forget as well that this fight is somehow quite personal for Spence because of what happened back in the day when Thurman neglected Spence to have his chance to fight for the belt that Thurman held that time. This maybe the biggest reason why this fight has been brought up to 154 lbs. because Spence doesn't want the latter to have a shot at his belt to get the situation even.

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^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

I agree, I wouldn't call this mandatory defense as there are no belts on the line and then the fight is going at 154 lbs wherein the order was to fight at 147 lbs. Nevertheless, it seems that this fight is a go already, Thurman could have agreed.

I was not aware of the rant though, but I'm not surprise by the reaction of boxing analyst and even boxers are really this fight is sort of a joke and it's bad that the organizations has allowed this kind of set up.

Yes, it seems to me that both camps have already agreed about the terms of the fight and that this is almost unstoppable to be contest at 154 lbs. where Spence has no risk of losing anything as his belt are all safe at 147 lbs., I'm just wondering though, why on earth did WBC call this a mandatory title defense, it's a no brainer and they are the reasons why people are laughing at them.

After the fight is announced at 154 lbs, I find the governing body a joke since they allowed the fighters to decide where or what weight they will fight. Despite of the mandatory defense order, Spence decided to give Thurman a non-title fight in 154 lbs. I hope to see Spence being penalized in this action and stripped him of the belt if possible. This is one aspect of not showing respect to the governing body.

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^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

I agree, I wouldn't call this mandatory defense as there are no belts on the line and then the fight is going at 154 lbs wherein the order was to fight at 147 lbs. Nevertheless, it seems that this fight is a go already, Thurman could have agreed.

I was not aware of the rant though, but I'm not surprise by the reaction of boxing analyst and even boxers are really this fight is sort of a joke and it's bad that the organizations has allowed this kind of set up.

Yes, it seems to me that both camps have already agreed about the terms of the fight and that this is almost unstoppable to be contest at 154 lbs. where Spence has no risk of losing anything as his belt are all safe at 147 lbs., I'm just wondering though, why on earth did WBC call this a mandatory title defense, it's a no brainer and they are the reasons why people are laughing at them.

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I think there's no title that will be defended by Spence on their upcoming fight, right? Please feel freely to correct me if ever I'm wrong because to be honest, I'm really confused by their mandatory fight as their fight has been mandated to be fought at 154 lbs. where Spence has no belts. In addition, I'm under the impression that Thurman have no choice to agree because his time will be wasted if he won't be having any fight this time as his original mission is to chase some belts.

Since the fight is agreed on the higher weight Division, and not on the title's division, so yes there is no title defense which in contrast to the order released of the governing body of title defense. I am still in confusion why does the fight like this happen in the higher division and why does the boxing council accept this kind of arrangement when they are the one that ordered for that fight to happen. Is boxing turning into a circus now? Where there is no rulings anymore and the boxer is freely able to decide the category to fight?

Since many are confused too about how this fight turned out, no choice but to wait for the result.

I'm thinking what will be the situation here if Thurman will upset Spence at 154 lbs.

I don't want the fight to happen but now, I want to see right away the possible aftermath of this fight regardless of who's the winner.

Well, to be honest, I just wanted that Thurman will indeed upset Spence even if there's no risk for the latter as there's no belt on the line. I just want them to have their first defeat, so that they will know and reflect on themselves that they are taking things too far and making an unjust situation for the other boxers.

Hehehe, maybe some of us here wanted to see Thurman pull the biggest upset in 147 or 154 lbs and beat Spence hard.

But you have to think at where Thurman is right now, lost to Manny, had several injuries, didn't show good against a overblown 140 lbs fighter in Barrios and has a weakness, body punch. So it's tough for him to upset, but we will give him that chance though.

Who knows, maybe he will just wake up and suddenly become the Thurman at his prime and give on hell of a fight.

Who knows, right? Grin

Keith Thurman might give Errol Spence Jr. an experience and a lesson that he probably won't forget in his whole lifetime but yes, it will be a tough job pulling that kind of stunt of course because Thurman got his own set of weakness that will surely be taken advantage of the opposite camp and hopefully, Keith is preparing for that too.

Regarding Thurman's recent fight against Barrios, I know that he is not the kind of boxer anymore that we first expected on his return but I'd say that let's just give him some room to adjust and a benefit of the doubt just like what we're giving to Loma on his upcoming fight with Devin Haney.

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^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

I agree, I wouldn't call this mandatory defense as there are no belts on the line and then the fight is going at 154 lbs wherein the order was to fight at 147 lbs. Nevertheless, it seems that this fight is a go already, Thurman could have agreed.

I was not aware of the rant though, but I'm not surprise by the reaction of boxing analyst and even boxers are really this fight is sort of a joke and it's bad that the organizations has allowed this kind of set up.

Spence will be fighting not using his status as champion, it's more like an exhibition fight because winners will get nothing, aside from the money base on their agreement. However, I believe this is good than not seeing them fight, Spence does not want Crawford, so at least Spence were able to fight a decent challenger which is Thurman. To be honest, despite Spence is the favorite, I still see Thurman going on top here.

Yeah, I go with that opinion better than not seeing him fighting a decent challenger, even it's more on the money side and there's
no belt that they will going to stake.

The moment they meet inside the ring is far better than not seeing any fight like this, Thurman will take pride and with his intention
to bring his name up again, he may push his limit to try winning this fight.

Let see if how things will proceed between these two decent fighters, an old champ against the current champ!

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 12:49:41 AM

^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

I agree, I wouldn't call this mandatory defense as there are no belts on the line and then the fight is going at 154 lbs wherein the order was to fight at 147 lbs. Nevertheless, it seems that this fight is a go already, Thurman could have agreed.

I was not aware of the rant though, but I'm not surprise by the reaction of boxing analyst and even boxers are really this fight is sort of a joke and it's bad that the organizations has allowed this kind of set up.

Spence will be fighting not using his status as champion, it's more like an exhibition fight because winners will get nothing, aside from the money base on their agreement. However, I believe this is good than not seeing them fight, Spence does not want Crawford, so at least Spence were able to fight a decent challenger which is Thurman. To be honest, despite Spence is the favorite, I still see Thurman going on top here.

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In any case though, all fingers point to Errol Spence and his camp regarding the fall out, and it seems that he is not denying it isn't it? because we just hear him and his team says that they don't need Crawford because they have cemented their legacy already. But as fans we think otherwise, we need to see this fight happening as we want to see the best fighting against each other, and that is the history of that division.

People already know the truth and it's evident enough why all fingers are pointing towards Errol Spence Jr. and Al Haymon, the fact is, the played Terence Crawford for months and let him expect that a fight will materialize. They haven't thought about their move well that someday it would backfire at them as they can't just hold those belts forever even if they got some influence.

Spence's camp are just hiding behind the reason that they already cemented their legacy, therefore Crawford won't be needed anymore. Honestly, when did they cemented it? After Ugas fight? Grin

They can't honestly fool everyone with that kind of shallow reasoning.

Yes, I think they are and probably this is what they have brainwash Spence for thinking that he had a good career and cemented his career at 147 lbs without fighting Crawford.

I would agree that he has a good resume, no doubt, but there is one name missing in that record and that is Terrence Crawford.

So in any case he beat Thurman, still though there is this huge question in front of him for not fighting Bud.

I really doubt that Spence cemented his legacy already. He owns 3 belts in the division but he is still not considered the lineal and Ring belt champion of the division because the rule is for #1 and #2 to fight each other for the vacant Ring belt and be considered lineal. I say Errol Spence's name will never be considered in the Hall of Fame with his current accomplishments. If Spence has no plans to face Crawford then he needs to become undisputed at 154 or at least conquer 2 more divisions in order to cement his legacy in the Hall of Fame.

While Terrence Crawford has more than enough to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. In reality, it is Crawford that do not need Spence when it comes to legacy. Crawford is already a 3 division champion and was the first undisputed champion at 140 in this 4-belt era. But Crawford clearly wanted more to his legacy as he is also aiming to become the first ever 2 or 3-division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era. What's stopping Crawford from that chance is Spence and his close friend Jermell Charlo the undisputed champion at 154.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 12:49:41 AM

^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

I agree, I wouldn't call this mandatory defense as there are no belts on the line and then the fight is going at 154 lbs wherein the order was to fight at 147 lbs. Nevertheless, it seems that this fight is a go already, Thurman could have agreed.

I was not aware of the rant though, but I'm not surprise by the reaction of boxing analyst and even boxers are really this fight is sort of a joke and it's bad that the organizations has allowed this kind of set up.

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Quote from: stadus on January 25, 2023, 03:16:15 PM

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In any case though, all fingers point to Errol Spence and his camp regarding the fall out, and it seems that he is not denying it isn't it? because we just hear him and his team says that they don't need Crawford because they have cemented their legacy already. But as fans we think otherwise, we need to see this fight happening as we want to see the best fighting against each other, and that is the history of that division.

People already know the truth and it's evident enough why all fingers are pointing towards Errol Spence Jr. and Al Haymon, the fact is, the played Terence Crawford for months and let him expect that a fight will materialize. They haven't thought about their move well that someday it would backfire at them as they can't just hold those belts forever even if they got some influence.

Spence's camp are just hiding behind the reason that they already cemented their legacy, therefore Crawford won't be needed anymore. Honestly, when did they cemented it? After Ugas fight? Grin

They can't honestly fool everyone with that kind of shallow reasoning.

Yes, I think they are and probably this is what they have brainwash Spence for thinking that he had a good career and cemented his career at 147 lbs without fighting Crawford.

I would agree that he has a good resume, no doubt, but there is one name missing in that record and that is Terrence Crawford.

So in any case he beat Thurman, still though there is this huge question in front of him for not fighting Bud.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 27, 2023, 12:49:41 AM

^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

Spence has a lot of haters now, I can understand because he is not a type of boxer who always welcome good challenges, he likes to play safe where he knows he has a good advantage in the fight. A fight between Thurman should be a titled fight, that way we will see a justice to the winner, not fair IMO, I', not sure what's happening now but if this is the way they handle their business, you are right, it will bite them later.

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^^^ Everything else is OK. But please don't call this as the mandatory title defense. WBC has created a bad precedent here, which will definitely come back to bite them later. I am sure that we will enjoy the clash between Errol Spence and Keith Thurman. But what we don't need is this additional burden of title defense, which is completely unfair to the other athletes in 147lb and 154lb divisions. Anyway, now Caleb Plant has joined the party, after the rant against Spence from Timothy Bradley Jr. Take a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1617574782148685826

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