Topic: Boxing: Errol Spence vs Keith Thurman - page 23. (Read 7310 times)

Purse split is really not the problem here as Crawford was already willing to accept as low as 30% just to make the deal much easier, but then Al Haymon found another way to get Crawford react about the deal and that is not giving him the transparency, that way Crawford will think that he will not be getting the full 30% because Spence and Al won't let him.

And let's say that Crawford is still with Bob Arum, I bet the latter won't accept the 30% because they have a reputation to uphold and the share is not that reasonable as well even if Spence got the A-side and is labeled as the PPV King. In the end, discussions will end without getting some contract inked.

We can consider purse split as one of the reasons but not a big reason why the fight failed.

From what I remember, Crawford accused the Spence camp of not being fully transparent on some parts of the contract terms.

Since then, no more news about the specific reasons why the fight failed so much better if everyone should move on from it now.

The problem is, Terence Crawford doesn't have a well-strong established, and influenced promoter that is one of the keys to unlocking that possible clash with Spence Jr. Since no promoter, might be tough for Crawford's camp to negotiate about purse split even accepting up to 30% share. Since Spence Jr. is handled by a big and well-known promoter, they will do everything to make sure that all terms will be in favor of them since Spence Jr. is also considered the PPV King. Business as usual.

If the negotiation is between big promoters, let's say Top Rank and PBC, that fight might happen. But the worst is, when Top Rank during the time they handle Crawford, Arum has lots of sh*t of reasons why he didn't able to grant Crawford his much-awaited big title fight that result in the latter leaving under his shadow.

I certainly think that it wasn't a purse split issue because Terence Crawford himself revealed it in the interview last year that he also insisted that he is ready to accept 30% of the purse split just to make the fight happen and then weeks of going back and forth with the impression of the fight might happen at last, but in the end, he was just wasting some of his precious time because Al Haymon doesn't want a unification fight. Reasons are not disclosed as well but it's clear that they are afraid to risk Spence's title and value. So now, yes, time to forget about it.

Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, Charlo is also with PBC stable, so he is under Al Haymon so Crawford can't just chase him as well to get a 154 lbs belt if he decided to move up.

Charlo is the undisputed champion in 154, unless he loses to Tim in their fight, Crawford will not have a crack at him because of the previous issues with Al Haymon and how he put PBC at a bad light (perhaps he is just telling the truth). So in any case 147 or 154, Crawford is in a the bad state, as he might not have chance to win another belt without going to Al Haymon again and negotiate and get the short end of the stick.

maybe both camps did not agree with the purse split. but in any case, we already moved on from this possible fight as each of them have already gone their separate ways. i think this will be another repeat of mayweather-pacquiao history. their respective promoters will make a deal once their respective boxers are already past their prime.

When the first negotiation failed last year between Spence and Crawford's camp, should be right at that time when boxing fans should now forget it. The negotiation that happened last year was almost a done deal and the majority is now expecting an official announcement but at the last minute, it was announced failed instead due to some reason that is not being disclosed to the public.

Let's accept the fact now that Spence won't meet Crawford because there are lots of obstacles that are ruining the plan. Crawford just needs to move forward and win his future fights but since being not under any big promoters, he will likely just face a cherry-picked opponent as it's tough for his camp to secure a big fight without the involvement of a big promoter and that's the reality in boxing nowadays.

it will happen once they made it happen, so for now we should be focusing to upcoming fight and forget about another possible fight to come. The negotiation will take place if they are interested and willing to bring the fight inside the ring.

I see exactly what you are pointing, the corrupt people inside the organization are always
involve on how promoters are able to avoid big fights without the blessing of those people
behind doesn't have any option but to comply with the rules.

It become possible because WBC forced it to make it possible.

Technically, the winner of this fight will hold a Welterweight Titles (147 lbs). It's just that both boxers compete for it at 154 lbs.

On the other hand, another big boxing organization WBA, in which Spence also holds its welterweight title, asked Spence to close a deal with Crawford within 60 days after the Keith Thurman fight.

Because of that, there's still a chance that Spence and Crawford will meet this year but the question is, will Spence fight Crawford at 147 lbs.

There's no opportunity for Crawford even if he will follow Spence or Charlo at 154 lbs because in the end, the same thing will happen, he will get toyed with Al Haymon and eventually, would waste another year that could be more fruitful. Crawford just need to be patient about his situation because eventually, Spence will vacate all the titles because I don't think the latter can always bring his belts with him at 154 as there's already an existing champion at the said weight class.

If this fight will be at 154 lbs then it's clear that Spence vs Crawford won't happen now not unless the latter will also move up.

The fight was one of the weirdest matches I have seen. Why not just Spence moved up in the usual way and vacate his 147 lbs belts?

How did it become possible to fight at 154 lbs when the title at stake was meant for 147 lbs? There's a current champion at 154 lbs so how this fight between Spence and Thurman will turned out? After the fight, like it will still consider as 147 lbs fight lol.

WBC is making things confusing and a bit technical. Why this fight should be that way when there's a normal process? They are crazy.

Might be best for now to forget about the Crawford-Spence fight because the chances of happening the said bout is getting slimmer and slimmer as months and days goes by. Spence and Al Haymon is getting very unpredictable these days, all silent about their move and stuff and boom, the whole world is suddenly surprised because they made another circus in the industry with of course the blessing of the corrupt governing bodies.

Regarding the great legend Pacquiao, there is no doubt, I think that Pacquiao can do what he wants and desires right now, if he already has a good promoter for his exhibition fights, he is welcome as long as he knows what he is going to contribute, because Be it his pocket and also for him to remain active, of course nothing like he could really fight again professionally, however I like how he does it and continues to do so.

The Crawford thing is a matter of time, he is a boxer who has known how to be patient, I don't think he will despair, Spence has to do something, I already believe that the enthusiasm of this meeting has diminished thanks to his negativity.




I think that whatever Spence does here is something that suits him, everyone is aware of what is about to happen, if it doesn't happen or if it does, this is something that suits the boxer, on the one hand if the fight happens he will fight and I think he will most likely win, everything points to Spence as the winner, the Thurman thing is something that can happen if it has a good effect on his career, right now if Thurman manages to win he will put himself in the The tallest of the most sought-after boxers to find opponents for him, I think that he would even awaken Crawford's interest and that way he could turn around what it is to fight with him.

There's a good chance that this fight will be boycotted by many because Al Haymon and WBC connived without considering to get things discreet, it's like they are saying to us face-to-face that we can't do anything about it because of their influence in the industry and that they are the only ones who has control over things, and what could've happen.

I wonder if Spence really likes this because I know his goal is just to make himself pretty at the paper but things are getting ugly already and he's getting dragged.

I think that any fight that occurs between Pacquiao and another boxer will be very relevant, we can say that yes, he signed with Rizin, but in an eventual fight that he could have with another very good boxer, I think that Pacquiao will not care if he signed or No, I don't think that non-disclosure agreements are or will be counted by Pacman, because I would really like to see the fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather, it will be something unique, but a fight like this must win or Pacquiao should win because the demonstration of the fight that It was very serious, what we can say about Pacquiao is that we must take advantage of every fight that takes place with him.

Interesting:

Stephen Espinoza explains why Spence vs. Crawford failed to happen





Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/01/stephen-espinoza-explain-why-spence-vs-crawford-failed-to-happen/

Yes, probably they have set the precedence as well with this kind of decision. But I'm not surprised though with WBC and the whole Sulaiman corruption that has been going on with this body for more than a decade now.

Remember that they are the one who invented those so many belts and champions just to accommodate the promoters and the networks and of course there is money for them. And now they started this trend.

I am confused, much like everyone else here. Doesn't make any sense, right? How can a mandatory title defense for the welterweight (147 lb) division be moved to Lightweight (154 lb) category? WBC is setting up a bad precedent here. What will happen if the other boxers also demand the same? If these two want to move to 154 lb, then let them do that. But don't term the fight as a title defense. It would mean that Errol Spence Jr. is forfeiting his 147 lb title and moving on to another division, after refusing his mandatory defense. As simple as that. Here the WBC is creating an exception for a single boxer and it will backfire on them in the future.

If he is being toyed, can he refused this fight or not?

It's clearly disrespect, but he is also under the stable of PBC, and chances are, he will and might accept it without any resistance from him. He can't go against the wishes of Haymon because they are trying to milk their cash cow Errol Spence and for sure Keith knows that for sure because he was once their banner fighter at 147 lbs until he got injured and lost the fight to Manny. So I think this will still be a go fight for Keith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyHnCwJuutM&t=924s

Go forward  55:52, Spence calls Thurman after he beat Kell Brook for the IBF belt, and Manny Pacquiao too.


Yes, with this version of Thurman now? inactive and very fragile and it looks like he is always getting injured or something. Could be an easy fight for Spence, Thurman doesn't seems that heart, unlike before wherein he can grind hard and has power. So let's hope that this fight will happen and let Thurman be another victim of Spence and put him in his resume.

So there's a chance now that this fight will not happen again? If this would be true, then I guess people will start blaming the camp of Spence again as he is good at ruining a fight that he thinks he can lose. He grab an easy win on Ugas but made excuses on Pacman, LOL, this champion is hilarious.