[Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8 - page 13.

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Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 08:17:59 AM

I like to cut it, it's the most accurate reason why Ancajas lost, they were trading punches and it seemed like Martinez has better stamina and you can really tell by looking at Ancajas that he got tired in the fight, and yet he still tries to survive but with lack of power, he can't find a way to knock out Martinez.

Now, the rematch will be happening soon, I guess he needs to be more technical, going toe to toe against a stronger opponent seemed not working for him, he has to win via score.

Ancajas could go toe to toe again since he have a good chin, actually Martinez's chin weaker than Ancajas, but Ancajas just didn't find a way to land clean punch to Martinez. Since Ancajas have a reach advantage, he can be more technical... but I don't think it's an easy for him to learn that since it's need a lot experience and how good your instinct to predict your opponent next move. AFAICS Ancajas had a poor technical and only relying about his physical power.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on August 29, 2022, 08:48:19 PM

During his first fight with Martinez, it was evident that he was overpowered by his opponent. .....

I like to cut it, it's the most accurate reason why Ancajas lost, they were trading punches and it seemed like Martinez has better stamina and you can really tell by looking at Ancajas that he got tired in the fight, and yet he still tries to survive but with lack of power, he can't find a way to knock out Martinez.

Now, the rematch will be happening soon, I guess he needs to be more technical, going toe to toe against a stronger opponent seemed not working for him, he has to win via score.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 23, 2022, 05:50:53 PM

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Date: October 8, 2022
Venue: Los Angeles

Though this is not a big fight for everyone but I think this is big for Filipino boxing fans out there because this is the chance that the Philippines can capture a belt in boxing once again.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe that Jerwin Ancajas has the potential on bringing glory again to the Philippines in the world of boxing because he has the tools, he just needs to be focused more on training and not be too confident because that might be the reason on his loss to Martinez in their first outing.

No odds yet but I'll post it here once available.

During his first fight with Martinez, it was evident that he was overpowered by his opponent. Despite having a good title and track record, he lost to Martinez which is slightly lower than him in height but undeniably delivers strong punches and calculated strikes. This became his losing end to the judges during their initial fight. He lost via unanimous decision that made him lost his hard-earned title during his early years.

Right now, Ancajas has still couple of months left to train harder and think of possible strategies and techniques that could make him win. Hopefully, this time, he will be able to get back on track and get back the title he lost. In an interview, he claimed that during the following rounds of their match, he experienced cramping in his legs which made him lose his focus because of the pain he's feeling.

Really rooting that he'll be able to gain enough strength to overpower Martinez and not experience the same tragic event that has happened to him during their fight. If ever he wins, this will be a good opportunity for the Filipinos to celebrate after all the consecutive losses from boxing industry.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 27, 2022, 06:19:35 PM

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 25, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

I think in the first fight, Ancajas failed to adjust since Martinez is just a replacement so the strategy that Ancajas works for months had been wasted. So I think that is a fair enough reason to mess up on their first fight. Even Pacquiao in his post-fight interview stating that he had trouble adjusting to Ugas during the fight shows how difficult it is for a boxer when there is a sudden change of opponent. But I think this 2nd fight will be different since Ancajas has ample time to review and scout the opponent and create a sound strategy to beat Martinez.

Exactly. All the time, this is what I am also thinking about why he lost the first fight against Martinez but to be fair to Ancajas, he did not give that reason as an excuse for why he lost the fight, Martinez was just the better fighter that night.

With enough time for preparation for Martinez and the motivation that he would be the one to bring back the glory days of boxing in the Philippines, I'm optimistic that Ancajas would take back the belt and go home a champion once again.

That kind of support is what Ancajas need, although he loses via unanimous decision, we still have the trust in him that he can take back his belt. Having a boxing champion is very important for our country to unite while watching a championship fight. We don't have Manny Pacquiao anymore, no popular champion if there's a champion now, so Ancajas is our only hope now.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 25, 2022, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: Daltonik on August 25, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

I think in the first fight, Ancajas failed to adjust since Martinez is just a replacement so the strategy that Ancajas works for months had been wasted. So I think that is a fair enough reason to mess up on their first fight. Even Pacquiao in his post-fight interview stating that he had trouble adjusting to Ugas during the fight shows how difficult it is for a boxer when there is a sudden change of opponent. But I think this 2nd fight will be different since Ancajas has ample time to review and scout the opponent and create a sound strategy to beat Martinez.

Exactly. All the time, this is what I am also thinking about why he lost the first fight against Martinez but to be fair to Ancajas, he did not give that reason as an excuse for why he lost the fight, Martinez was just the better fighter that night.

With enough time for preparation for Martinez and the motivation that he would be the one to bring back the glory days of boxing in the Philippines, I'm optimistic that Ancajas would take back the belt and go home a champion once again.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 27, 2022, 02:19:13 PM

Quote from: Questat on August 26, 2022, 09:06:05 AM

Let's take that as a valid excuse, but if you look at the other side, Martinez could also use that as an excuse if he loses the fight. now, there are no more excuses because they are given a rematch if Ancajas think it's the adjustment that made him lose the fight, then for sure, he can make the right adjustment in this fight given he had plenty of time to prepare.

Pretty good point. Fernando Martinez is also not prepared for a specific strategy against Ancajas but still, he won. It's because he was prepared physically and mentally. There's no need for him to formed a specific plan on how to counter Ancajas but instead he will just do his usual boxing form that he trained for before their fight. Adjustments will follow once they are now fighting and it turned out good in favor for Martinez.

Sometimes it's really sick to hear reasons for losing instead of accepting the defeat and come back in fully best form next time.

Most of the time, we really do hear excuses for not performing better inside the ring.
Maybe, just to give reason to their boxing fans why they lost from their opponent.
But this upcoming rematch, they should not say any excuses as both knew their caliber inside the ring already.
They should know their strategies on how to beat each other, and no more excuses.
Accept whatever their fate will be inside the ring. And move on to their new targets.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 27, 2022, 05:33:35 AM

Quote from: Questat on August 26, 2022, 09:06:05 AM

Let's take that as a valid excuse, but if you look at the other side, Martinez could also use that as an excuse if he loses the fight. now, there are no more excuses because they are given a rematch if Ancajas think it's the adjustment that made him lose the fight, then for sure, he can make the right adjustment in this fight given he had plenty of time to prepare.

That's why excuses are not good in boxing, because it will only lose respect to the winner of the fight, why not give credit to the winner and for the loses, he has to work harder next time, make the right adjustment so the opportunity of the rematch will not be wasted.

I agree, excuses are for the losers Grin

. Anyway, I also agree with the point that the same reason can be used if Martinez lost the match. Their first fight shows that Martinez is the better boxer. With a short time notice they Marinez is able to ready himself and eventually take the title from Ancajas. I hope this time as a Filipino, Ancajas will be a better fighter and retake the champion belt from martinez.

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Quote from: Questat on August 26, 2022, 09:06:05 AM

Let's take that as a valid excuse, but if you look at the other side, Martinez could also use that as an excuse if he loses the fight. now, there are no more excuses because they are given a rematch if Ancajas think it's the adjustment that made him lose the fight, then for sure, he can make the right adjustment in this fight given he had plenty of time to prepare.

Pretty good point. Fernando Martinez is also not prepared for a specific strategy against Ancajas but still, he won. It's because he was prepared physically and mentally. There's no need for him to formed a specific plan on how to counter Ancajas but instead he will just do his usual boxing form that he trained for before their fight. Adjustments will follow once they are now fighting and it turned out good in favor for Martinez.

Sometimes it's really sick to hear reasons for losing instead of accepting the defeat and come back in fully best form next time.

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Quote from: Sanitough on August 27, 2022, 05:33:35 AM

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 25, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

I think in the first fight, Ancajas failed to adjust since Martinez is just a replacement so the strategy that Ancajas works for months had been wasted. So I think that is a fair enough reason to mess up on their first fight. Even Pacquiao in his post-fight interview stating that he had trouble adjusting to Ugas during the fight shows how difficult it is for a boxer when there is a sudden change of opponent. But I think this 2nd fight will be different since Ancajas has ample time to review and scout the opponent and create a sound strategy to beat Martinez.

Let's take that as a valid excuse, but if you look at the other side, Martinez could also use that as an excuse if he loses the fight. now, there are no more excuses because they are given a rematch if Ancajas think it's the adjustment that made him lose the fight, then for sure, he can make the right adjustment in this fight given he had plenty of time to prepare.

That's why excuses are not good in boxing, because it will only lose respect to the winner of the fight, why not give credit to the winner and for the loses, he has to work harder next time, make the right adjustment so the opportunity of the rematch will not be wasted.

It's their pride they are trying to protect, so excuses is always their, but regardless, in the eyes of the fans, they know the real winner. Look at the fight between Fury and Wilder, Wilder made an excuses until they reach a trilogy and in the end it was concluded that Fury was really the better fighter.

So in this particular fight, we will be seeing a rematch, if Ancajas lose again, we can already conclude Martinez is the better fighter which is deserving to be the champion.

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Quote from: Questat on August 26, 2022, 09:06:05 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on August 25, 2022, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: Daltonik on August 25, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

I think in the first fight, Ancajas failed to adjust since Martinez is just a replacement so the strategy that Ancajas works for months had been wasted. So I think that is a fair enough reason to mess up on their first fight. Even Pacquiao in his post-fight interview stating that he had trouble adjusting to Ugas during the fight shows how difficult it is for a boxer when there is a sudden change of opponent. But I think this 2nd fight will be different since Ancajas has ample time to review and scout the opponent and create a sound strategy to beat Martinez.

Let's take that as a valid excuse, but if you look at the other side, Martinez could also use that as an excuse if he loses the fight. now, there are no more excuses because they are given a rematch if Ancajas think it's the adjustment that made him lose the fight, then for sure, he can make the right adjustment in this fight given he had plenty of time to prepare.

That's why excuses are not good in boxing, because it will only lose respect to the winner of the fight, why not give credit to the winner and for the loses, he has to work harder next time, make the right adjustment so the opportunity of the rematch will not be wasted.

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Quote from: serjent05 on August 25, 2022, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: Daltonik on August 25, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

I think in the first fight, Ancajas failed to adjust since Martinez is just a replacement so the strategy that Ancajas works for months had been wasted. So I think that is a fair enough reason to mess up on their first fight. Even Pacquiao in his post-fight interview stating that he had trouble adjusting to Ugas during the fight shows how difficult it is for a boxer when there is a sudden change of opponent. But I think this 2nd fight will be different since Ancajas has ample time to review and scout the opponent and create a sound strategy to beat Martinez.

Let's take that as a valid excuse, but if you look at the other side, Martinez could also use that as an excuse if he loses the fight. now, there are no more excuses because they are given a rematch if Ancajas think it's the adjustment that made him lose the fight, then for sure, he can make the right adjustment in this fight given he had plenty of time to prepare.

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 25, 2022, 02:03:54 PM

The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

I think in the first fight, Ancajas failed to adjust since Martinez is just a replacement so the strategy that Ancajas works for months had been wasted. So I think that is a fair enough reason to mess up on their first fight. Even Pacquiao in his post-fight interview stating that he had trouble adjusting to Ugas during the fight shows how difficult it is for a boxer when there is a sudden change of opponent. But I think this 2nd fight will be different since Ancajas has ample time to review and scout the opponent and create a sound strategy to beat Martinez.

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The Ancajas team will have to make significant adjustments for the upcoming fight with Martinez, since in the first fight Ankahas could not restrain Martinez's attacks and turn the tide of the fight in his favor and acted, as it seems to me, without initiative, I hope now he will have more motivation.

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That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

It is a good thing that Ancajas got a new nutritionist. Having cramp after a fight mean he is lacking some minerals which is the responsibility of the nutritionist to keep him fully nourished. The cramp simply shows that he isn't conditioned enough for the fight. It looks like Ancajas underestimate Martinez in their first fight and he paid the price greatly. For sure the 1st match is a lesson for Ancajas and will surely adjust his trainings according to what they have learned in the previous fight.

It happened once, it should not happen again in this fight, otherwise, it will kill his dream to stay as a champion and win more championships. Ancajas is still young, he can still achieve more, but if he cannot avenge his loss and get back his belt, then I think his journey ahead will be very very hard.

I bet it's the same nutrionist of Mark Magsayo as they're both under the same promotional company, regardless who is that nutrionist, that should help Ancajas enchance his chances this time to win against Martinez because the pressure is somehow higher this time because he needed that same belt he once held to fight Ioka next. Surely, climbing another division is not an option for the team so they should win this fight.

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Quote from: yazher on August 25, 2022, 09:19:51 AM

Quote from: harizen on August 21, 2022, 06:53:49 PM

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

If that's the case then he really needs to work things out just for this fight and he might consider moving to the upper division where he is more comfortable and with some worthy opponents waiting for him. of course, it is completely different and if he can adopt in that weight class as soon as possible, he can also be one of the top boxers there. All he needs to do right now is to train and dedicate this fight for his dream so that he will have a strong motivation to never give up.

He needs to work on this rematch first before thinking about moving up, his camp is doing everything to meet the required weight that's the reason why they hire nutritionist who can help him with his diet, for sure the team learn from what happen with Casimero after failing to meet the right weight, it's not good for Ancajas to suffer the same while he is in the process of reclaiming his former title, he needs to win and get that belt then decide if he needs to move up for the next division.

It's important to have a good reputation and a hype when moving up so you can get a money fight and a chance to call for a title
match.

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Quote from: harizen on August 21, 2022, 06:53:49 PM

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

If that's the case then he really needs to work things out just for this fight and he might consider moving to the upper division where he is more comfortable and with some worthy opponents waiting for him. of course, it is completely different and if he can adopt in that weight class as soon as possible, he can also be one of the top boxers there. All he needs to do right now is to train and dedicate this fight for his dream so that he will have a strong motivation to never give up.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on August 25, 2022, 01:32:27 AM

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That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Definitely, it is an anti-tempo where an opponent has to be changed at the last minute. Since the boxer needs to scout, prepare a strategy, and put it in the boxer thru training. The last-minute change of opponent is disastrous to a boxer since he needs to throw away all the initial preparation and input another strategy at the last minute. Somehow a boxer is accustomed to the initial training regime and has trouble adapting the new strategy for the new opponent. That may serve as an excuse in the last fight, but it won't be this rematch.
So I think we will be seeing better Ancajas this time and I hope he can pass the weight limit requirement without any problem.

Certainly right! It's really hard to win for an opponent that you haven't prepared for while that same foe has been preparing for you for months and has been waiting if there's some back-up needed. As for Ancajas case, it's understandable why he got lost too but his other issue was different because he had a hard time meeting the required weight, his camp admitted that.

Anyway, there are too many reasons regarding their first encounter and why Ancajas lost. This time, he has a chance to prove that Martinez just got lucky that time and I hope that Ancajas will get that belt again so that he can fight Ioka next and settle the unfinished business.

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That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

It is a good thing that Ancajas got a new nutritionist. Having cramp after a fight mean he is lacking some minerals which is the responsibility of the nutritionist to keep him fully nourished. The cramp simply shows that he isn't conditioned enough for the fight. It looks like Ancajas underestimate Martinez in their first fight and he paid the price greatly. For sure the 1st match is a lesson for Ancajas and will surely adjust his trainings according to what they have learned in the previous fight.

It happened once, it should not happen again in this fight, otherwise, it will kill his dream to stay as a champion and win more championships. Ancajas is still young, he can still achieve more, but if he cannot avenge his loss and get back his belt, then I think his journey ahead will be very very hard.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 25, 2022, 06:53:40 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on August 24, 2022, 05:46:53 AM

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

It is a good thing that Ancajas got a new nutritionist. Having cramp after a fight mean he is lacking some minerals which is the responsibility of the nutritionist to keep him fully nourished. The cramp simply shows that he isn't conditioned enough for the fight. It looks like Ancajas underestimate Martinez in their first fight and he paid the price greatly. For sure the 1st match is a lesson for Ancajas and will surely adjust his trainings according to what they have learned in the previous fight.

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Well, from the point of view of betting, it's something else, but I think that this time Martinez really wants to stand out and from what I've read the boxer has very good technique, at a professional level I'm sure he won't do badly, so I have seen, some give Ancajas the winner, but in my personal opinion Martinez is a clear winner for me, obviously without going through Ancajas's abilities, Martinez is a boxer who for now will be measured with a higher degree of demand, here he can discovering that there is a business model that is impressive, and the statistics are supporting it, I wonder if it goes 3:1 how it will be in less time, will the ratio increase?

On the first fight it was obvious that Martinez was the clear winner, it was not a controversial fight as even the fans of Ancajas believe that Martinez won. Well, we are now in the rematch, I'm just hoping that Ancajas will make the right adjustment so it will not again result in a one sided fight.

No debate on that, Ancajas looks exhausted in that fight, so it's time for him to bounce back by winning the fight. I know it's easier said than done but I still believe that Ancajas is capable of doing that, he work his way to become a champion, he would not give up that easily, and winning here means him becoming a champion once again.

He cannot make another excuse if he will lose in the rematch (this fight), he has to give everything he has in order to get back the belt and be declared as a champion again. He is the hope of the Philippines because we only have few champions, and if there's a Filipino champions, people are more eager to watch the fight which could create unity to the people.

That fact alone will be one of the reasons why Ancajas should be more eager to get the belt that was once safe in his possession before he got lost by a first time title challenger, Martinez. Let's just give Ancajas the benefit of the doubt too because having a sudden exchange of opponent will of course make him struggle or any boxer in the industry as Ancajas himself didn't prepared for Martinez.

Yes, that is fair enough, let's see how he can do in the rematch, I mean he saw what he did wrong in the first fight that's why he immediately wanted to fight Martinez again and see a different version of Ancajas, the one that we know of, who can box and beat his opponent to the punch. He also has the speed, but something is really off that night with Ancajas and after the fight he said that he had cramps, but is no excuses. So in the rematch for sure it will be Ancajas at his best because he wanted to get back the belt that he lost and be back on the discussion for a Ioka fight.

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