[Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8 - page 11.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 05, 2022, 01:02:59 PM

And if ever that happens, he should move up in the next division which is the bantamweight division which has more difficult boxers.

As long as Inoue already become undisputed champion and there's a new vacant belts for every new boxers, bantamweight division wouldn't become hell division anymore and Ancajas can compete with the other boxers just like his legend e.g. Donaire and Casimero. But it's too early for Ancajas to move to the next weight division since he should at least get a belt in his current weight division first.

If he's failed to beat Martinez, there's other champion that he can take a challenge.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 05, 2022, 03:58:22 AM

the required weight should not be a problem at all, because it needs work from himself and his camp. it should not be a problem at all but should focus on their strategies how to win his title back.

Unfortunately, that was the problem, reaching the required weight with no extra toll on his body.

What does this mean? His usual training regime is not enough to reach their target weight at the given time. In return, things got rushed and the moment he will now reach the required weight, he was overtrained during the process and won't be in 100% shape once he entered the ring.

But that unfortunate thing that happened during the first match should not happen twice as that was one of the key notes that his camp is trying to solve.

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He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

Let's say Jerwin Ancajas will lose here, does it really a good decision to just left that division and moved up?

How can he even get good fights at Super Bantamweight if he is struggling with some of the best fighters in Junior Bantamweight?

If he loses, moving up for me is not a good decision. Start from scratch and have a goal to become a champion again at Junior Bantamweight which is his comfort zone at most points of his career. He dominates that division for several years and I'm sure he can repeat it.

But of course, that was just speculation as I believed he will win here in this rematch against Martinez and then finally move up.

If the problem is weight then definitely he will have to move up because his body can't adapt to this lower weight anymore. And just like what Teo Lopez did, cherry pick a fighter, a boxer that has a good record, but he can easily beat in the fight because he has far more superior skills. It's up to his manager and promotions MP and Sean Gibbons to find him that target in the next weight and work his way up, put up a good string of wins and maybe he will have a crack at the belt again. Jerwin is young so the future is still bright for this kid.

That's the right thing to do, he cannot make the same excuse if he again loses in the rematch, time to move up in weight and try to be a contender for the champions. It's not over yet for Ancajas, he can win here and be a champion, however, it's not easy to beat Martinez, what we saw in the first fight was Martinez is a very dominating boxer, so let's expect that Martinez will start strong and only a good stamina can help Ancajas survive and win.

Yes and Martinez will think that he can beat any version of Jerwin Ancajas. So he won't take anything for granted, and same with Anjacas. If by chance he fall short again, then it's time to him to test the next division. But if he can win then maybe a trilogy or go for the other champion because it seems that everyone wanted to have all the belts unify and clean their respective divisions like Inoue and then we have the rumoured fight between Crawford and Spence for all the belt as well.

A trilogy sounds good to hear but before that Ancajas should put a win first in this rematch to tie the score and maybe soon, a trilogy might happen so that we can know who dominates more. Anyway, I hope that Ancajas won't have some struggles meeting the required weight again because that will make him fatigued again and give Martinez some advantage because of the said reason.
And if ever that happens, he should move up in the next division which is the bantamweight division which has more difficult boxers.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 05, 2022, 06:13:06 AM

I just wish Jerwin is in top form and focus on his gifts and natural skills rather than attempting to brawl just to please the crowd.

That's what we definitely want to see, that way there will be no more excuses from his camp, and accept the defeat if he losses. Although I'm not thinking he will lose, but he has to be a man, accept with no excuses and move on to the next plan.

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Ancajas is big and he is supposed to move up in weight. But his team realized that they might spend years on another division in order to take a title fight. So they took advantage of the rematch clause in order to regain that belt and then move up in weight. A reigning champion moving up in weight should have no problems requesting for higher ranking or he can ask the IBF for a special eliminator so he can fight for a title in a year or even less. Or he can even fight for a vacant belt as Inoue will move up in weight once crowned undisputed.

I just wish Jerwin is in top form and focus on his gifts and natural skills rather than attempting to brawl just to please the crowd.

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In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

If that's the case then he really needs to work things out just for this fight and he might consider moving to the upper division where he is more comfortable and with some worthy opponents waiting for him. of course, it is completely different and if he can adopt in that weight class as soon as possible, he can also be one of the top boxers there. All he needs to do right now is to train and dedicate this fight for his dream so that he will have a strong motivation to never give up.

Ancajas should give his focus and determination first to win this rematch so he can win back his title too. If he has difficulty in reaching the required weight, for sure the team is already working on it so he will be totally fit for the upcoming fight. I want to bet on Ancajas this time because I know his boxing potentials is high and he has still a lot of rooms to grow.

He was the champion, this fight is just his chance for him to get back the belt, so nothing new here, he just have to make an improvement and beat Martinez. However, if the outcome will be the same as in the previous fight, then there's no room for him to grow anymore in this division, the next step should be leaving the division by going up.

this is indeed a challenge on ancajas to get his title back. the required weight should not be a problem at all, because it needs work from himself and his camp. it should not be a problem at all but should focus on their strategies how to win his title back. as he already knew the possible weaknesses and strengths of his opponent, should not be too difficult for him to identify what areas he needs to take care of.

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Quote from: Viscore on September 05, 2022, 02:32:07 AM

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Quote from: harizen on August 21, 2022, 07:53:49 PM

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

If that's the case then he really needs to work things out just for this fight and he might consider moving to the upper division where he is more comfortable and with some worthy opponents waiting for him. of course, it is completely different and if he can adopt in that weight class as soon as possible, he can also be one of the top boxers there. All he needs to do right now is to train and dedicate this fight for his dream so that he will have a strong motivation to never give up.

Ancajas should give his focus and determination first to win this rematch so he can win back his title too. If he has difficulty in reaching the required weight, for sure the team is already working on it so he will be totally fit for the upcoming fight. I want to bet on Ancajas this time because I know his boxing potentials is high and he has still a lot of rooms to grow.

He was the champion, this fight is just his chance for him to get back the belt, so nothing new here, he just have to make an improvement and beat Martinez. However, if the outcome will be the same as in the previous fight, then there's no room for him to grow anymore in this division, the next step should be leaving the division by going up.

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Quote from: yazher on August 25, 2022, 10:19:51 AM

Quote from: harizen on August 21, 2022, 07:53:49 PM

In the recent article I have posted, it's clear that Ancajas is having difficulty maintaining his weight that's why they hired a new nutritionist to help him be in good shape for this rematch. The camp stated that because of how Ancajas struggles to catch the required weight, he becomes not 100% on the fight which should not be a reason why they end up losing.

We need to trust his team as no choice after all but to support him.

If that's the case then he really needs to work things out just for this fight and he might consider moving to the upper division where he is more comfortable and with some worthy opponents waiting for him. of course, it is completely different and if he can adopt in that weight class as soon as possible, he can also be one of the top boxers there. All he needs to do right now is to train and dedicate this fight for his dream so that he will have a strong motivation to never give up.

Ancajas should give his focus and determination first to win this rematch so he can win back his title too. If he has difficulty in reaching the required weight, for sure the team is already working on it so he will be totally fit for the upcoming fight. I want to bet on Ancajas this time because I know his boxing potentials is high and he has still a lot of rooms to grow.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 03, 2022, 10:17:14 AM

He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

What we are talking are just the possibilities, but it might change if he wins the rematch.

If he moved up after being defeated by Martinez, is there any fighter at the good rank that is willing to pick him up as an opponent?

In most cases, a top-rank fighter will just choose an opponent within the top ranks too.

But I have to agree with anyone here that no room to discuss the moving up for now.

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He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

Let's say Jerwin Ancajas will lose here, does it really a good decision to just left that division and moved up?

How can he even get good fights at Super Bantamweight if he is struggling with some of the best fighters in Junior Bantamweight?

If he loses, moving up for me is not a good decision. Start from scratch and have a goal to become a champion again at Junior Bantamweight which is his comfort zone at most points of his career. He dominates that division for several years and I'm sure he can repeat it.

But of course, that was just speculation as I believed he will win here in this rematch against Martinez and then finally move up.

If the problem is weight then definitely he will have to move up because his body can't adapt to this lower weight anymore. And just like what Teo Lopez did, cherry pick a fighter, a boxer that has a good record, but he can easily beat in the fight because he has far more superior skills. It's up to his manager and promotions MP and Sean Gibbons to find him that target in the next weight and work his way up, put up a good string of wins and maybe he will have a crack at the belt again. Jerwin is young so the future is still bright for this kid.

I got the point but isn't it a bad decision to just moved up a weight after losing a match instead of moving up weight coming from a win?

It will be hard for Ancajas to pick a fight in the new division if he came from a loss as promoters might not be bothered to arrange fights involving him.

But too early to talk about this moving-up decision as what matters here is, that Ancajas should win this rematch against Martinez no matter what.

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He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

Let's say Jerwin Ancajas will lose here, does it really a good decision to just left that division and moved up?

How can he even get good fights at Super Bantamweight if he is struggling with some of the best fighters in Junior Bantamweight?

If he loses, moving up for me is not a good decision. Start from scratch and have a goal to become a champion again at Junior Bantamweight which is his comfort zone at most points of his career. He dominates that division for several years and I'm sure he can repeat it.

But of course, that was just speculation as I believed he will win here in this rematch against Martinez and then finally move up.

If the problem is weight then definitely he will have to move up because his body can't adapt to this lower weight anymore. And just like what Teo Lopez did, cherry pick a fighter, a boxer that has a good record, but he can easily beat in the fight because he has far more superior skills. It's up to his manager and promotions MP and Sean Gibbons to find him that target in the next weight and work his way up, put up a good string of wins and maybe he will have a crack at the belt again. Jerwin is young so the future is still bright for this kid.

That's the right thing to do, he cannot make the same excuse if he again loses in the rematch, time to move up in weight and try to be a contender for the champions. It's not over yet for Ancajas, he can win here and be a champion, however, it's not easy to beat Martinez, what we saw in the first fight was Martinez is a very dominating boxer, so let's expect that Martinez will start strong and only a good stamina can help Ancajas survive and win.

Yes and Martinez will think that he can beat any version of Jerwin Ancajas. So he won't take anything for granted, and same with Anjacas. If by chance he fall short again, then it's time to him to test the next division. But if he can win then maybe a trilogy or go for the other champion because it seems that everyone wanted to have all the belts unify and clean their respective divisions like Inoue and then we have the rumoured fight between Crawford and Spence for all the belt as well.

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He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

Let's say Jerwin Ancajas will lose here, does it really a good decision to just left that division and moved up?

How can he even get good fights at Super Bantamweight if he is struggling with some of the best fighters in Junior Bantamweight?

If he loses, moving up for me is not a good decision. Start from scratch and have a goal to become a champion again at Junior Bantamweight which is his comfort zone at most points of his career. He dominates that division for several years and I'm sure he can repeat it.

But of course, that was just speculation as I believed he will win here in this rematch against Martinez and then finally move up.

If the problem is weight then definitely he will have to move up because his body can't adapt to this lower weight anymore. And just like what Teo Lopez did, cherry pick a fighter, a boxer that has a good record, but he can easily beat in the fight because he has far more superior skills. It's up to his manager and promotions MP and Sean Gibbons to find him that target in the next weight and work his way up, put up a good string of wins and maybe he will have a crack at the belt again. Jerwin is young so the future is still bright for this kid.

That's the right thing to do, he cannot make the same excuse if he again loses in the rematch, time to move up in weight and try to be a contender for the champions. It's not over yet for Ancajas, he can win here and be a champion, however, it's not easy to beat Martinez, what we saw in the first fight was Martinez is a very dominating boxer, so let's expect that Martinez will start strong and only a good stamina can help Ancajas survive and win.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 03, 2022, 10:17:14 AM

He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

Let's say Jerwin Ancajas will lose here, does it really a good decision to just left that division and moved up?

How can he even get good fights at Super Bantamweight if he is struggling with some of the best fighters in Junior Bantamweight?

If he loses, moving up for me is not a good decision. Start from scratch and have a goal to become a champion again at Junior Bantamweight which is his comfort zone at most points of his career. He dominates that division for several years and I'm sure he can repeat it.

But of course, that was just speculation as I believed he will win here in this rematch against Martinez and then finally move up.

If the problem is weight then definitely he will have to move up because his body can't adapt to this lower weight anymore. And just like what Teo Lopez did, cherry pick a fighter, a boxer that has a good record, but he can easily beat in the fight because he has far more superior skills. It's up to his manager and promotions MP and Sean Gibbons to find him that target in the next weight and work his way up, put up a good string of wins and maybe he will have a crack at the belt again. Jerwin is young so the future is still bright for this kid.

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 03, 2022, 10:17:14 AM

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The match with Ioka is not possible now if Ancajas will lose. I also don't think that stepping up weight will regain his reputation. It's good to move up weight after a winning match instead of losing 2 times in a row and just to avoid Martinez in the future, he will jump on another division.

He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

What we are talking are just the possibilities, but it might change if he wins the rematch.

That's right if he will move up after losing he will start his journey from the scratch again, unless his handlers have a strong connection and established a good money fight for him on his new division, that's only an opinion but for now he should not think about that just focus with this upcoming fight and comes up inside the ring bringing everything he got.

Just do things one at a time. If fate will let him win this rematch, he can move up with a much better hype.

A possible good money fight might await him on his new journey..

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Quote from: Russlenat on September 03, 2022, 10:17:14 AM

He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

Let's say Jerwin Ancajas will lose here, does it really a good decision to just left that division and moved up?

How can he even get good fights at Super Bantamweight if he is struggling with some of the best fighters in Junior Bantamweight?

If he loses, moving up for me is not a good decision. Start from scratch and have a goal to become a champion again at Junior Bantamweight which is his comfort zone at most points of his career. He dominates that division for several years and I'm sure he can repeat it.

But of course, that was just speculation as I believed he will win here in this rematch against Martinez and then finally move up.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 03, 2022, 10:01:12 AM

The match with Ioka is not possible now if Ancajas will lose. I also don't think that stepping up weight will regain his reputation. It's good to move up weight after a winning match instead of losing 2 times in a row and just to avoid Martinez in the future, he will jump on another division.

He needs to win here, but if he losses, there's no other way but to move up in weight, though it will not hype him but IMO, that's the right thing to do for him to be comfortable in maintaining his weight. He will have to start his journey in a new division and hopefully we will continue to support him.

What we are talking are just the possibilities, but it might change if he wins the rematch.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 03, 2022, 08:07:29 AM

Exactly, they have enough time to prepare for this fight, so there's no more excuse for them if Ancajas loses again. I'm with Ancajas for revenge, but we cannot deny how strong Fernando Martinez is, so if the camp of Ancajas is not going to work hard, their chance is not going to increase.

How about the odds, when are we going to see it?

Right, Jerwin Ancajas' team has enough time to prepare for this. They also have notes on their mistakes in the first match. In case of a loss, although I don't want that to happen, they should admit that it's a real loss and don't mention any excuses. It does mean that Fernando Martinez is really a tough opponent.

The match with Ioka is not possible now if Ancajas will lose. I also don't think that stepping up weight will regain his reputation. It's good to move up weight after a winning match instead of losing 2 times in a row and just to avoid Martinez in the future, he will jump on another division.

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I think it is the use of sauna that ban him from fighting and due to that, he was unable to defend his title twice which resulted in him being stripped of the title.

The bottom line is, that Casimero is having a weight problem issue that leads him to use the sauna. Aside from that, his camp was unaware of that policy under British Boxing Council. If only they are responsible, Casimero should be the one facing Inoue now. Don't want to happen the same situation with Jerwin Ancajas.

Back to topic, and as I previously posted here, Ancajas camp admits that they overtrained Jerwin just to meet the required weight.

That's why to solve that, they will cut Ancajas' training volume as one of the options to make him perfectly in good condition on the day of the fight.

So it's really on the burden of the trainer of Jerwin, he needs to ensure that he won't overtrain and will just be in the peak condition right before the fight itself. Maybe they think that having training volumes will cut his weight, but I don't think that is a good idea.

Again, they've seen their mistakes and saw how Martinez fights. This will be enough for them to make the necessary adjustment in weight, training volume and strategy so that Jerwin can get his belt back and then aim for Ioka in the future for unification.

It's not a burden, it's his job and he is paid to do the job. They hire a capable one, so 90% of the time, they will achieve the desired result. Ancajas is trying to become a champion again, it's his only chance in this division, so he should make sure he will get a win and be reading for a possible trilogy.

Exactly, they have enough time to prepare for this fight, so there's no more excuse for them if Ancajas loses again. I'm with Ancajas for revenge, but we cannot deny how strong Fernando Martinez is, so if the camp of Ancajas is not going to work hard, their chance is not going to increase.

How about the odds, when are we going to see it?

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 02, 2022, 06:20:33 PM

I think it is the use of sauna that ban him from fighting and due to that, he was unable to defend his title twice which resulted in him being stripped of the title.

The bottom line is, that Casimero is having a weight problem issue that leads him to use the sauna. Aside from that, his camp was unaware of that policy under British Boxing Council. If only they are responsible, Casimero should be the one facing Inoue now. Don't want to happen the same situation with Jerwin Ancajas.

Back to topic, and as I previously posted here, Ancajas camp admits that they overtrained Jerwin just to meet the required weight.

That's why to solve that, they will cut Ancajas' training volume as one of the options to make him perfectly in good condition on the day of the fight.

So it's really on the burden of the trainer of Jerwin, he needs to ensure that he won't overtrain and will just be in the peak condition right before the fight itself. Maybe they think that having training volumes will cut his weight, but I don't think that is a good idea.

Again, they've seen their mistakes and saw how Martinez fights. This will be enough for them to make the necessary adjustment in weight, training volume and strategy so that Jerwin can get his belt back and then aim for Ioka in the future for unification.

It's not a burden, it's his job and he is paid to do the job. They hire a capable one, so 90% of the time, they will achieve the desired result. Ancajas is trying to become a champion again, it's his only chance in this division, so he should make sure he will get a win and be reading for a possible trilogy.

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Quote from: harizen on September 02, 2022, 07:07:11 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on September 02, 2022, 06:20:33 PM

I think it is the use of sauna that ban him from fighting and due to that, he was unable to defend his title twice which resulted in him being stripped of the title.

The bottom line is, that Casimero is having a weight problem issue that leads him to use the sauna. Aside from that, his camp was unaware of that policy under British Boxing Council. If only they are responsible, Casimero should be the one facing Inoue now. Don't want to happen the same situation with Jerwin Ancajas.

Back to topic, and as I previously posted here, Ancajas camp admits that they overtrained Jerwin just to meet the required weight.

That's why to solve that, they will cut Ancajas' training volume as one of the options to make him perfectly in good condition on the day of the fight.

So it's really on the burden of the trainer of Jerwin, he needs to ensure that he won't overtrain and will just be in the peak condition right before the fight itself. Maybe they think that having training volumes will cut his weight, but I don't think that is a good idea.

Again, they've seen their mistakes and saw how Martinez fights. This will be enough for them to make the necessary adjustment in weight, training volume and strategy so that Jerwin can get his belt back and then aim for Ioka in the future for unification.

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