Topic: [Boxing]: GGG vs Murata - Reschedule - page 2. (Read 3244 times)

Quote from: Vaculin on April 08, 2022, 04:19:28 PM

They are both already past their prime.

That one I do not agree with for GGG, he has not lost a fight since 2019, in fact, his only loss is against Canelo who is a great fighter and that one was still controversial until now, so I think there's no basis for calling GGG has passed his prime.

Just for the record, there's a period when we called a boxer in his prime or not. At around 39 to 40 years of age, it should be obvious that we can call a boxer out of his prime. Don't get me wrong, being out of their prime doesn't mean they are truly weak. It's just that, don't expect their performance will be the same as during their prime.

Don't tell me you still consider GGG in his prime? If GGG will be able to win against Murata, it does mean he is still in good shape but we can't consider it as a win during his prime. His 2019 fight is remarkable because he was already in a veteran period at that time but still manage to put Canelo in a difficult fight. If only he meet Canelo during his prime, he will win it without a doubt.

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But GGG is still GGG, we cannot judge unless we see him fight again. He is not young but his opponent is not young as well, the age difference is not too far so GGG should know how to handle the Japanese opponent. If you guys think that GGG is no longer in his prime, then maybe consider betting against him.

I just did lol.

Maybe GGG has still some tricks in the bag but I think my bet has the potential of winning. The fight will be held in Japan and we knew that Japanese are a proud people so Murata will be pumped up for this fight knowing that he has the crowd behind him.

Even Team Canelo is prepared for the GGG scenario as they are looking for the winner of Beterbiev-Smith winner to be the opponent of Canelo in case GGG would lose.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 08, 2022, 11:55:33 AM

Quote from: wxa7115 on April 08, 2022, 03:02:09 PM

They are both already past their prime.

That one I do not agree with for GGG, he has not lost a fight since 2019, in fact, his only loss is against Canelo who is a great fighter and that one was still controversial until now, so I think there's no basis for calling GGG has passed his prime.

I think this is fair and does not apply to his sports results, but to his physical form. It is difficult to assume that at the age of 39 the athlete did not pass his peak. Perhaps now GGG is close to the peak if we take a combination of experience, physical form and skills, but still I think that in a sport like boxing, physical condition matters close to dominant, so I think that the prime of GGG is really behind.

But GGG is still GGG, we cannot judge unless we see him fight again. He is not young but his opponent is not young as well, the age difference is not too far so GGG should know how to handle the Japanese opponent. If you guys think that GGG is no longer in his prime, then maybe consider betting against him.

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Just try to analyze the age difference,
Murata 36 years old
GGG 39 years old.

not much of a difference, right?

I have pointed this out before that's why I don't understand why age is a factor and considered a disadvantage for GGG. 3 years gap is really nothing. They are both already past their prime.

GGG is also around 35-36 years old when he fights Canelo in his super-prime status but still, the latter struggle to beat the sh*t out of GGG.

Like I always said, Murata's only advantage is the homecourt and the full support of Japan's people on his back. GGG is a tough wall to defeat and having a strong moral is not enough as an advantage.

I agree, without a doubt GGG is no longer on his prime and he is old for boxing standards but his opponent is not young either.

If GGG fights Canelo during his next fight then we may talk about age being an important factor as Canelo is still on his prime, but doing so during this fight seems unjustified. After all, people do not appreciate how strong and healthy they are when they are young until they begin to lose it, so even if GGG is in good shape at 39 years old is impossible that he still recovers from the huge punishment he receives as a boxer as he did at his youth.

In the world of boxing age matters cause when a boxer is in his prime years a boxer contains aggressive, strong, good footwork and they can take/ handle the punches by their opponents like GGG in his prime years but now he is getting old it's hard for him to play his style when he is still in his prime cause the stamina and the movement speed is no longer accurate to beat a young opponent. But anyway boxing is all strategic. You can win if you have a good start.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 08, 2022, 11:05:21 AM

Just try to analyze the age difference,
Murata 36 years old
GGG 39 years old.

not much of a difference, right?

I have pointed this out before that's why I don't understand why age is a factor and considered a disadvantage for GGG. 3 years gap is really nothing. They are both already past their prime.

GGG is also around 35-36 years old when he fights Canelo in his super-prime status but still, the latter struggle to beat the sh*t out of GGG.

Like I always said, Murata's only advantage is the homecourt and the full support of Japan's people on his back. GGG is a tough wall to defeat and having a strong moral is not enough as an advantage.

I agree, without a doubt GGG is no longer on his prime and he is old for boxing standards but his opponent is not young either.

If GGG fights Canelo during his next fight then we may talk about age being an important factor as Canelo is still on his prime, but doing so during this fight seems unjustified. After all, people do not really appreciate how strong and healthy they are when they are young until they begin to lose it, so even if GGG is in good shape at 39 years old is impossible that he still recovers from the huge punishment he receives as a boxer as he did at his youth.

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Quote from: dunfida on April 07, 2022, 07:59:25 PM

Just try to analyze the age difference,
Murata 36 years old
GGG 39 years old.

not much of a difference, right?

I have pointed this out before that's why I don't understand why age is a factor and considered a disadvantage for GGG. 3 years gap is really nothing. They are both already past their prime.

GGG is also around 35-36 years old when he fights Canelo in his super-prime status but still, the latter struggle to beat the sh*t out of GGG.

Like I always said, Murata's only advantage is the homecourt and the full support of Japan's people on his back. GGG is a tough wall to defeat and having a strong moral is not enough as an advantage.

Having the crowd wont really be enough as we all know but the boost up because you are fighting in your home country plus having that support will really be giving out that emotion but wont be enough on beating GGG>

Its not surprising that people would really be looking for the factors specially on age because we know that it would really take some toll on boxers performance.
Cant blame them though but GGG could still fucked Murata on this fight without any doubts.

It is true that Murata have that advantage because he is fighting and standing in his own ground and the audience are surely full packed with Japanese as the most spectators on the fight will be there people but yes I agree, that fact alone won't be enough to take down GGG as he doesn't have any advantage aside from that.

Sure that take some toll but most of boxers who are experiencing that is those who aren't active anymore and only getting some pro fights once every 2 years or so.

Much sure that GGG might already be that get used to control nor even ignore the crowd if its against on him or totally cheering up his opponent.A true boxer/fighter would not easily be distracted whether the
crowd isnt really favor on him or doesnt really get any cheer.If someones determination is to beat up the opponent in front of him then i dont see any issues.Murata should really be that careful
and be prepared on what he would be facing on this upcoming fight.Just like the rest that this would be an easy fight for GGG.

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Quote from: dunfida on April 07, 2022, 07:59:25 PM

They are both already past their prime.

That one I do not agree with for GGG, he has not lost a fight since 2019, in fact, his only loss is against Canelo who is a great fighter and that one was still controversial until now, so I think there's no basis for calling GGG has passed his prime.

I think this is fair and does not apply to his sports results, but to his physical form. It is difficult to assume that at the age of 39 the athlete did not pass his peak. Perhaps now GGG is close to the peak if we take a combination of experience, physical form and skills, but still I think that in a sport like boxing, physical condition matters close to dominant, so I think that the prime of GGG is really behind.

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Just try to analyze the age difference,
Murata 36 years old
GGG 39 years old.

not much of a difference, right?

I have pointed this out before that's why I don't understand why age is a factor and considered a disadvantage for GGG. 3 years gap is really nothing. They are both already past their prime.

GGG is also around 35-36 years old when he fights Canelo in his super-prime status but still, the latter struggle to beat the sh*t out of GGG.

Like I always said, Murata's only advantage is the homecourt and the full support of Japan's people on his back. GGG is a tough wall to defeat and having a strong moral is not enough as an advantage.

Having the crowd wont really be enough as we all know but the boost up because you are fighting in your home country plus having that support will really be giving out that emotion but wont be enough on beating GGG>

Its not surprising that people would really be looking for the factors specially on age because we know that it would really take some toll on boxers performance.
Cant blame them though but GGG could still fucked Murata on this fight without any doubts.

It is true that Murata have that advantage because he is fighting and standing in his own ground and the audience are surely full packed with Japanese as the most spectators on the fight will be there people but yes I agree, that fact alone won't be enough to take down GGG as he doesn't have any advantage aside from that.

Sure that take some toll but most of boxers who are experiencing that is those who aren't active anymore and only getting some pro fights once every 2 years or so.

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Just try to analyze the age difference,
Murata 36 years old
GGG 39 years old.

not much of a difference, right?

I have pointed this out before that's why I don't understand why age is a factor and considered a disadvantage for GGG. 3 years gap is really nothing. They are both already past their prime.

GGG is also around 35-36 years old when he fights Canelo in his super-prime status but still, the latter struggle to beat the sh*t out of GGG.

Like I always said, Murata's only advantage is the homecourt and the full support of Japan's people on his back. GGG is a tough wall to defeat and having a strong moral is not enough as an advantage.

Maybe because they have no other reasons to throw at GGG, that's why they are just always saying that "he's already 40 years old and he's going to have a poor performance and blah blah blah". But how about Murata, what are his advantage(s) against GGG? Nothing in terms of capabilities.

It is just a 4 years gap and Murata haven't even attain what GGG have attained during that age. If he's being confident about that then I won't be surprised that he will lose against GGG or worse getting knock out because the latter is still more experience and have a tougher build than him. And terms of who has the stronger chin, I think we already know the answer.

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They are both already past their prime.

That one I do not agree with for GGG, he has not lost a fight since 2019, in fact, his only loss is against Canelo who is a great fighter and that one was still controversial until now, so I think there's no basis for calling GGG has passed his prime.

Yes, after the controversial lost against Canelo, GGG has comeback and manage to win again so I think Canelo didn't take away anything from him. Although his opponents I would say is just so-so and there are others who are saying that his performance might not merit for a Canelo trilogy. But if he performs good against Murata and win, then it can warrant and justify having a third and final fight with Canelo.

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That one I do not agree with for GGG, he has not lost a fight since 2019, in fact, his only loss is against Canelo who is a great fighter and that one was still controversial until now, so I think there's no basis for calling GGG has passed his prime.

Then this time the face off of GGG vs. Murata is the best time to show to us the boxing fans that they have not been passed their prime in their boxing careers. I do believe that both fighter are a good fighter and that being said it would give us a fight that is worth watching for and worth betting for. GGG is no doubt the known fighter for now and attract a lot of bettors to bet favor on him which I should include myself and I am pretty sure that this man will give us a good and fair fight.

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Quote from: dunfida on April 07, 2022, 07:59:25 PM

They are both already past their prime.

That one I do not agree with for GGG, he has not lost a fight since 2019, in fact, his only loss is against Canelo who is a great fighter and that one was still controversial until now, so I think there's no basis for calling GGG has passed his prime.

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