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Quote from: yazher on March 21, 2022, 10:01:28 PM

GGG admit that he had sparred Murata in the pass,

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"It did take place but that was a long time ago. It was not the pure sparring approach that he came to spar me. I learned during those sessions that Murata is a very serious fighter with a high boxing IQ," Golovkin said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-sparring-i-learned-murata-very-serious-fighter-high-boxing-iq--164844

So he knows what he is up against, a serious fighter in Murata and he would have to travelled to his home town and beat him. So this is a very dangerous fight for GGG.

Oh really, they did that in the past? That's good because even it was just a friendly spar, they could already tell each others capabilities just like how GGG felt about Murata. I only know that Murata was always looking up on GGG and something he said that it's been an honor to get a fight with GGG. Nonetheless, the number still cannot lie and we definitely know that GGG has the advantage even if he's much older now.

Without a doubt this is an interesting fact, after all the very first rounds are for the most part spent studying the rival and to see what he has brought to the fight, but if they have already spar with each other then they should have a better idea of each one of their capabilities and accelerate this process substantially.

However at least to me this is more advantageous for Murata, as most likely this happened when GGG was already at his prime while Murata was just starting his career, so Murata probably got the most information out of that sparring session.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 21, 2022, 09:01:35 PM

^^ But GGG should win against Murata to keep the hype alive on the possibility of a trilogy. If he lost this fight then perhaps fans will likely say that this is going to be a mismatch in favor of Canelo because GGG is old as Murata beat him. So it's better for both of them to win against their opponent, setup one of the biggest fight this year in September.

That's what the fans wanted to see, just before he finally conclude his career in boxing, he just need to fight Canelo and get down in the boxing industry with pride no matter what the result might be. If he somehow wins that fight, then that would be an excellent way to wrap up his career and he would not be forgotten in the world of boxing. He just needs to finish Murata as easily as possible so that they will gonna have a high chance to fight again.

Right, for me GGG has cemented his legacy already at 160 lbs. Although there is just one blemishes and that is Canelo. The first 2 fight was really very close that it can go either way.

But if they will set up a 3rd fight and if ever GGG will win that fight then maybe their could be arguments for him to be the best middleweight of this era. So let him do his job against Murata first and not snubbed him before he can seek Alvarez.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 21, 2022, 09:01:35 PM

^^ But GGG should win against Murata to keep the hype alive on the possibility of a trilogy. If he lost this fight then perhaps fans will likely say that this is going to be a mismatch in favor of Canelo because GGG is old as Murata beat him. So it's better for both of them to win against their opponent, setup one of the biggest fight this year in September.

That's what the fans wanted to see, just before he finally conclude his career in boxing, he just need to fight Canelo and get down in the boxing industry with pride no matter what the result might be. If he somehow wins that fight, then that would be an excellent way to wrap up his career and he would not be forgotten in the world of boxing. He just needs to finish Murata as easily as possible so that they will gonna have a high chance to fight again.

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^^ But GGG should win against Murata to keep the hype alive on the possibility of a trilogy. If he lost this fight then perhaps fans will likely say that this is going to be a mismatch in favor of Canelo because GGG is old as Murata beat him. So it's better for both of them to win against their opponent, setup one of the biggest fight this year in September.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 19, 2022, 05:18:10 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 19, 2022, 01:27:12 PM

Yup, I think it doesn't mean a thing, it happen years ago so obviously there's a lot going after that fateful day. Murata become a champion, GGG remain on top of the 160 lbs division.

What's important is the fight at hand right now, GGG can't base any on those sparring, but the experience might be there and Murata will proved that he has better himself after that.

Yeah, that sparring session is history now on the two of them but the experience could help them on how to prepare for this upcoming fight as they now have a glimpse of each one of them on how they move because even though they have videos on their respective fight, an actual sparring/fight is different.

One thing I don't like with the proposed GGG vs Canelo trilogy is that they are overlooking things. Canelo and GGG both have dangerous fights ahead and either one of them could lose and might derail/cancel the trilogy which for me is a likely possibility.

That's right! Spar is really different from just watching your opponent in his recent fights and that particular short sparring could help the both of them about this upcoming fight, each one of them already have the idea on how to counter its punches because they already have a history first-hand and not by just watching some videos.

Is GGG involved in that deal? From what I have understand so far about that specific deal is that only Canelo is needed and obligated to win his upcoming fight, GGG on the other hand haven't had that contract written that he also should win against Murata for him to participate the said trilogy. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 19, 2022, 01:27:12 PM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 19, 2022, 01:27:12 PM

GGG admit that he had sparred Murata in the pass,

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"It did take place but that was a long time ago. It was not the pure sparring approach that he came to spar me. I learned during those sessions that Murata is a very serious fighter with a high boxing IQ," Golovkin said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-sparring-i-learned-murata-very-serious-fighter-high-boxing-iq--164844

So he knows what he is up against, a serious fighter in Murata and he would have to travelled to his home town and beat him. So this is a very dangerous fight for GGG.

Oh really, they did that in the past? That's good because even it was just a friendly spar, they could already tell each others capabilities just like how GGG felt about Murata. I only know that Murata was always looking up on GGG and something he said that it's been an honor to get a fight with GGG. Nonetheless, the number still cannot lie and we definitely know that GGG has the advantage even if he's much older now.

It turns out that they did that in the past few years but there's no video surfacing in the internet about that light sparring they had, but yeah I think that really happened a while ago. Maybe that was the time that GGG was still in his prime and I think Murata is still amateur in the industry but I think he was already competing in olympics at that time.

I think so too, GGG still have those capabilities needed to defeat Murata in his own soil.

Yup, I think it doesn't mean a thing, it happen years ago so obviously there's a lot going after that fateful day. Murata become a champion, GGG remain on top of the 160 lbs division.

What's important is the fight at hand right now, GGG can't base any on those sparring, but the experience might be there and Murata will proved that he has better himself after that.

Yes, that isn't something that could highly affect their fight next month because that specific friendly spar was years ago as GGG said and surely a lot has already happened after a while now. Murata may proved his worthiness that he became a more much experienced and stronger but it won't mean that he will be successful in this match.

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^^ I can only comment that if the Japanese match is on the lower weight for sure this is going to be fire as Japanese is known for their brave fighting skills.

I'm not familiar with those names, but if I have the chance to watch the undercard I will because as I have said it will be very fun and entertaining to watch.

@bisdak40 - hopefully they can hurdle each opponent so that Alvarez vs Golovkin could be sealed.

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I'm looking forward that Murata will give GGG an explosive fight.

They are staking their both titles here that's why there's no such thing as an easy fight here. Both will surely do their best in this unification match to claimed both the IBF and WBA World Middleweight titles. Murata will surely pump up in front of his fellow countrymen.

Checking the undercard, it was an all-Japanese lineup:

WBO Flyweight Title Defense
Junto Nakatani (Champion) vs Ryota Yamauchi

Not sure if this is a title match
Shuichiro Yoshino vs Masayuki Ito

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Yup, I think it doesn't mean a thing, it happen years ago so obviously there's a lot going after that fateful day. Murata become a champion, GGG remain on top of the 160 lbs division.

What's important is the fight at hand right now, GGG can't base any on those sparring, but the experience might be there and Murata will proved that he has better himself after that.

Yeah, that sparring session is history now on the two of them but the experience could help them on how to prepare for this upcoming fight as they now have a glimpse of each one of them on how they move because even though they have videos on their respective fight, an actual sparring/fight is different.

One thing I don't like with the proposed GGG vs Canelo trilogy is that they are overlooking things. Canelo and GGG both have dangerous fights ahead and either one of them could lose and might derail/cancel the trilogy which for me is a likely possibility.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on March 19, 2022, 09:52:39 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on March 18, 2022, 03:10:09 PM

GGG admit that he had sparred Murata in the pass,

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"It did take place but that was a long time ago. It was not the pure sparring approach that he came to spar me. I learned during those sessions that Murata is a very serious fighter with a high boxing IQ," Golovkin said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-sparring-i-learned-murata-very-serious-fighter-high-boxing-iq--164844

So he knows what he is up against, a serious fighter in Murata and he would have to travelled to his home town and beat him. So this is a very dangerous fight for GGG.

Oh really, they did that in the past? That's good because even it was just a friendly spar, they could already tell each others capabilities just like how GGG felt about Murata. I only know that Murata was always looking up on GGG and something he said that it's been an honor to get a fight with GGG. Nonetheless, the number still cannot lie and we definitely know that GGG has the advantage even if he's much older now.

It turns out that they did that in the past few years but there's no video surfacing in the internet about that light sparring they had, but yeah I think that really happened a while ago. Maybe that was the time that GGG was still in his prime and I think Murata is still amateur in the industry but I think he was already competing in olympics at that time.

I think so too, GGG still have those capabilities needed to defeat Murata in his own soil.

Yup, I think it doesn't mean a thing, it happen years ago so obviously there's a lot going after that fateful day. Murata become a champion, GGG remain on top of the 160 lbs division.

What's important is the fight at hand right now, GGG can't base any on those sparring, but the experience might be there and Murata will proved that he has better himself after that.

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GGG knowing how serious Murata is will only make him train harder to prove to the world that his time in boxing is not yet over. As I have read in the article, after this fight, if GGG wins, he will get a chance to have a trilogy with Canelo, so that should be enough already to inspire him to ensure a win.

But it was a long time ago, maybe the power of Murata has change, or maybe the language barrier was the issue that's why Murata seems to be serious in sparring. So we will wait, that fight is getting closer and once GGG win, he has done his part, it's time for Canelo to win his fight and set up the final match between the two of them.

Both of them have changed because judging by GGG's choice of words, he said a long time ago so maybe that time GGG was still in his prime and Murata was the novice in boxing because why would he approach GGG in the first place to have some short spar if the Kazakhstani boxer was nothing at that point. But again, that was also a mere guess and speculation.

I have no also doubts that GGG and Canelo will win in their respective fights before they share the same ring and yes, I'm quite thrilled for this trilogy.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 18, 2022, 03:10:09 PM

GGG admit that he had sparred Murata in the pass,

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"It did take place but that was a long time ago. It was not the pure sparring approach that he came to spar me. I learned during those sessions that Murata is a very serious fighter with a high boxing IQ," Golovkin said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-sparring-i-learned-murata-very-serious-fighter-high-boxing-iq--164844

So he knows what he is up against, a serious fighter in Murata and he would have to travelled to his home town and beat him. So this is a very dangerous fight for GGG.

Oh really, they did that in the past? That's good because even it was just a friendly spar, they could already tell each others capabilities just like how GGG felt about Murata. I only know that Murata was always looking up on GGG and something he said that it's been an honor to get a fight with GGG. Nonetheless, the number still cannot lie and we definitely know that GGG has the advantage even if he's much older now.

It turns out that they did that in the past few years but there's no video surfacing in the internet about that light sparring they had, but yeah I think that really happened a while ago. Maybe that was the time that GGG was still in his prime and I think Murata is still amateur in the industry but I think he was already competing in olympics at that time.

I think so too, GGG still have those capabilities needed to defeat Murata in his own soil.

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But it was a long time ago, maybe the power of Murata has change, or maybe the language barrier was the issue that's why Murata seems to be serious in sparring. So we will wait, that fight is getting closer and once GGG win, he has done his part, it's time for Canelo to win his fight and set up the final match between the two of them.

Yes, there are lots of things happened now since that sparring and both boxers are also in a different status now. I don't know if Murata will be able to put a hard fight with GGG but he should do that and not allow GGG to win easily.

Even he's a sure underdog on this fight, showing what he can do to the likes of GGG might give him another shot against a popular boxer.

GGG on the other hand should not treat Murata as a heavy underdog and just do his usual when fighting against anyone.

He needs to be fully prepared if he wants to take another shot to fight Canelo Alvarez which is currently at his peak and has no signs of any slowing down.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 18, 2022, 08:50:16 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 18, 2022, 08:14:39 AM

I'm not saying that GGG is on the disadvantage here because we both know that GGG's power is way over than Murata's capabilities, I just find it interesting on what would the be the changes of GGG.

The chances are very high if we look at the betting odds.

https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/gennadiy-golovkin-v-ryota-murata

That is -700 in bet365, which means 87.5% implied probability.
We have our own opinion though and no one could change that, but betting odds are the opinion of most bettors.

Even without looking at the betting odds, we can quite compare Murata and GGG already and that these two boxers are in complete two different leagues but somehow we still cannot conclude what would exactly happen in the fight because there are also other aspects or factors we need to consider. However, judging by their stats and the probability we have right now then we can surely say that GGG has the advantage.

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GGG admit that he had sparred Murata in the pass,

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"It did take place but that was a long time ago. It was not the pure sparring approach that he came to spar me. I learned during those sessions that Murata is a very serious fighter with a high boxing IQ," Golovkin said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-sparring-i-learned-murata-very-serious-fighter-high-boxing-iq--164844

So he knows what he is up against, a serious fighter in Murata and he would have to travelled to his home town and beat him. So this is a very dangerous fight for GGG.

Oh really, they did that in the past? That's good because even it was just a friendly spar, they could already tell each others capabilities just like how GGG felt about Murata. I only know that Murata was always looking up on GGG and something he said that it's been an honor to get a fight with GGG. Nonetheless, the number still cannot lie and we definitely know that GGG has the advantage even if he's much older now.

At least they know each other and I hope that respect will remain.

GGG knowing how serious Murata is will only make him train harder to prove to the world that his time in boxing is not yet over. As I have read in the article, after this fight, if GGG wins, he will get a chance to have a trilogy with Canelo, so that should be enough already to inspire him to ensure a win.

There's nothing to worry about the attitude of the both boxers, they are both disciplined as well.

They probably got a good teaser on that specific spar even if it was just short and at that time they surely didn't know that fate have been already working in them that someday both of them will fight in the same ring. Either way, GGG will win this fight and knowing his IQ then surely he got some knowledge about that spar on how to counter Murata.

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GGG admit that he had sparred Murata in the pass,

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"It did take place but that was a long time ago. It was not the pure sparring approach that he came to spar me. I learned during those sessions that Murata is a very serious fighter with a high boxing IQ," Golovkin said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-sparring-i-learned-murata-very-serious-fighter-high-boxing-iq--164844

So he knows what he is up against, a serious fighter in Murata and he would have to travelled to his home town and beat him. So this is a very dangerous fight for GGG.

Oh really, they did that in the past? That's good because even it was just a friendly spar, they could already tell each others capabilities just like how GGG felt about Murata. I only know that Murata was always looking up on GGG and something he said that it's been an honor to get a fight with GGG. Nonetheless, the number still cannot lie and we definitely know that GGG has the advantage even if he's much older now.

At least they know each other and I hope that respect will remain.

Both of them are respectful fighters, so no doubt that it will remain. Only time I've seen GGG lost his cool and temper is against Alvarez.