[Boxing] Inoue vs Nery For Undisputed 122lbs Title - May

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 11, 2024, 08:50:21 AM

But I do agree, American audiences deserved to see him fight specially now that he is a pound for pound fighter. He can't just hide from the fact that he can make money in Japan. At least he should treat as in the States for a great fight so why not go and travel to the US? It really baffles me as well.

We all know that Japanese are very patriotic, that maybe one of the reason why Inoue choose to fight mostly in his home country. The money is in the heavier division, welterweight to heavyweight and i don't think that Inoue could reach the 147 pound division with his body structure, i mean he is too small to move up to that weight unlike Manny Pacquiao that once rule the welterweight division because he is taller than Inoue.

Anyways, Goodman might be next for Inoue, though this is not an interesting fight but if held in Japan, money still flow to the purse of Inoue.

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On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

On Inoue's next fight, there is no one. This Sam Goodman cannot offer anything for Inoue. There is no money, there is no hype and there is no legacy. Figueroa should be his next fight and this should be in Las Vegas.

Casimero has nothing on the table for Ioue to take and if they have to fight that must happen this year as Casimero is getting older and looking at his practice, seems to me that he lost a step and i don't think he can defeat the prime Inoue.

In an interview, Inoue said that he won't go up in weight to fight somebody for the money and no need to be recognized in the US as he is very popular in Japan and the money offered in his current division is the same in Las Vegas and he is contented with it so i think we won't see Inoue fighting in Vegas sooner.

I am sorry for the fans of Casimero. I am not a fan of him and his type of trashtalking, however, I have always argued for him being a good boxer.

On Inoue being satisfied to only fight in Japan, this is very disheartening. However, this is also okay and we should accept because not much boxers are special types of people who can move the world and create legacy. He does not have the inspiration of Pacman. Inoue is a very good boxer but he is only a boxer.

That maybe describe what his career is or at least what kind of boxer Casimero is, good but not that elite as compare to Inoue. He could have the power in 118 lbs, but when he move up he is a different fighter.

But I do agree, American audiences deserved to see him fight specially now that he is a pound for pound fighter. He can't just hide from the fact that he can make money in Japan. At least he should treat as in the States for a great fight so why not go and travel to the US? It really baffles me as well.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 11, 2024, 01:26:53 AM

Inoue is a very good boxer but he is only a boxer.

I would agree with you on this because I already saw that Inoue isn't really that strong after he got knockdown in his recent fight. That's why Casimero now is creating noise in social media because he is very confident that he can beat Inoue, but I think Inoue also not taking chances as that means the end of his journey as an undefeated boxer, and you know, when a boxer is already defeated, he is not the same boxer anymore.

We don't know how long he'll keep fighting in Japan, but Inoue if he will decide to move up, he must leave Japan and make US as his new home to gain more followers and popularity will rise together with the money he'll make every fight, this as long as he keeps winning.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 10, 2024, 11:34:09 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 10, 2024, 01:22:38 AM

On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

On Inoue's next fight, there is no one. This Sam Goodman cannot offer anything for Inoue. There is no money, there is no hype and there is no legacy. Figueroa should be his next fight and this should be in Las Vegas.

Casimero has nothing on the table for Ioue to take and if they have to fight that must happen this year as Casimero is getting older and looking at his practice, seems to me that he lost a step and i don't think he can defeat the prime Inoue.

In an interview, Inoue said that he won't go up in weight to fight somebody for the money and no need to be recognized in the US as he is very popular in Japan and the money offered in his current division is the same in Las Vegas and he is contented with it so i think we won't see Inoue fighting in Vegas sooner.

I am sorry for the fans of Casimero. I am not a fan of him and his type of trashtalking, however, I have always argued for him being a good boxer.

On Inoue being satisfied to only fight in Japan, this is very disheartening. However, this is also okay and we should accept because not much boxers are special types of people who can move the world and create legacy. He does not have the inspiration of Pacman. Inoue is a very good boxer but he is only a boxer.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 10, 2024, 11:34:09 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 10, 2024, 01:22:38 AM

On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

On Inoue's next fight, there is no one. This Sam Goodman cannot offer anything for Inoue. There is no money, there is no hype and there is no legacy. Figueroa should be his next fight and this should be in Las Vegas.

Casimero has nothing on the table for Ioue to take and if they have to fight that must happen this year as Casimero is getting older and looking at his practice, seems to me that he lost a step and i don't think he can defeat the prime Inoue.

In an interview, Inoue said that he won't go up in weight to fight somebody for the money and no need to be recognized in the US as he is very popular in Japan and the money offered in his current division is the same in Las Vegas and he is contented with it so i think we won't see Inoue fighting in Vegas sooner.

Yes, make sense of Inoue not to fight Casimero, John Riel is just trying to poke him so that eventually he will give him a fight. But his camp are wise enough not to fall for it, Casimero could be a good test for him, but the question, Is Casimero deserving of a shot against the Monster? Maybe after his fight and win against Goodman, Akhmadaliev might be the best logical choice for him to fight next. Casimero should be active though as he is not getting any younger and maybe he has just a couple of fights in his career as he is already in his mid-30's if I'm not mistaken.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 10, 2024, 01:22:38 AM

On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

On Inoue's next fight, there is no one. This Sam Goodman cannot offer anything for Inoue. There is no money, there is no hype and there is no legacy. Figueroa should be his next fight and this should be in Las Vegas.

Casimero has nothing on the table for Ioue to take and if they have to fight that must happen this year as Casimero is getting older and looking at his practice, seems to me that he lost a step and i don't think he can defeat the prime Inoue.

In an interview, Inoue said that he won't go up in weight to fight somebody for the money and no need to be recognized in the US as he is very popular in Japan and the money offered in his current division is the same in Las Vegas and he is contented with it so i think we won't see Inoue fighting in Vegas sooner.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 09, 2024, 05:13:06 PM

Hypothetical question to you guys, who do you think will win though, if both Terrence Crawford and Naoya Inoue are in the same weight class let's say Crawford's best weight at 147 lbs and then Inoue at 122 lbs? Who do you think will win?

Tough question to answer but i will go with Inoue because the guy has tough chin though he was knockdown by Nery for the first time of his career but he recovered immediately that Nery didn't have the chance of take advantage of that knockdown and second, Inoue is heavy handed that he could knockout his opponent with just one punch though Crawford also has it but i just love to watch Inoue fight.

Indeed, but I will go with this version of Crawford to beat Inoue similar to how he dominated Spence. And I think Crawford will be the favorite in somehow they are in the same division.

We still wanted for Inoue to fight Casimero, this has been our fantasy since they almost collide at 118 lbs and Casimero's fight at that weight class is very impressive. John Riel though when I check is already 35 years old and could be a damage good already. And as he move to 122 lbs, the power is not that scary as compare to 118 lbs when his power is really strong and anyone that he touches goes to the canvass.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 10, 2024, 01:22:38 AM

On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

On Inoue's next fight, there is no one. This Sam Goodman cannot offer anything for Inoue. There is no money, there is no hype and there is no legacy. Figueroa should be his next fight and this should be in Las Vegas.

Not sure if the fight is going to be held in Australia since Sam Goodman is obviously Aussie. The only thing that Goodman can offer is that he is the mandatory challenger, but other than that, yeah 0 for legacy and we might see that since Inoue's chin has been broken, who knows, that low reward, high risk for Inoue might works against him.

Figueroa won against Magdaleno last May 4 as well, so it could be a good set-up fight for Inoue when he enters 126 lbs. But I think Top Rank doesn't want Inoue to go up very quick as there are dangers for him in this division.

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Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

I'm a fan of Quadro Alas but all he's doing is just making noise and need some attention; he hasn't really proven much yet. Based on the current rankings in his weight class, he's at number 12. If he really wants to fight Naoya Inoue, he needs to prove himself and ranking first, not just making noise and asking for attention. As a Filipino boxing fan, I admit I'm one of those who want to see Casimero vs Inoue to happen but for that to happen, he needs to improve his ranking first. Inoue won't really gain anything if we just say the fight happened. It's not worth it for Inoue's side.

Luck has been tough on him, because his fight ended up in Draw although it does look like he really hurt his opponent. It's just sad to see that because the fight was held in Japan, the decision does not favor him. In fact, his fight vs Akaho which is also a Japanese ended up no contest but later Akaho admit that the really loss the fight that's why Casimero was awarded with a KO win, if only the last fight was win by KO, his ranking might have improve and Inou has no more excuses of not fighting him.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 10, 2024, 12:12:37 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 09, 2024, 05:13:06 PM

Hypothetical question to you guys, who do you think will win though, if both Terrence Crawford and Naoya Inoue are in the same weight class let's say Crawford's best weight at 147 lbs and then Inoue at 122 lbs? Who do you think will win?

Tough question to answer but i will go with Inoue because the guy has tough chin though he was knockdown by Nery for the first time of his career but he recovered immediately that Nery didn't have the chance of take advantage of that knockdown and second, Inoue is heavy handed that he could knockout his opponent with just one punch though Crawford also has it but i just love to watch Inoue fight.

It's hard to choose Crawford to beat Inoue in this division since he hasn't started here, in short it's not his natural weight so he might struggle if he goes down. Both have skills, there are also times that Crawford almost lost in a fight though he wasn't knock down, but you know, a fighter that is more comfortable in his weight will likely become victorious, I think it's better for a fight to go up than go down in weight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 10, 2024, 01:22:38 AM

On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

I don't think that's really of a big hindrance, it can be promoted by both parties to make the fight possible. I'm sure it's not hard to promote this fight as it has been hype for many years and surely selling tickets and PPV is not going to be a problem. Pretty sure the Japanese fans would want to see this as Casimero has been mocking their champion and they want him to pay the price, and that is by being defeated by Inoue. However, it will not happen as Inoue continues to neglect this big fight.

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On these fans who want to witness Naoya Inoue to fight John Riel Casimero, I am one of you. However, it appears that this might never happen. Casimero's is being promoted by a small Japanese promoter called Treasure Boxing Promotion. This company is very small and it might not have the cashflow to bring a good offer for Inoue's team.

On Inoue's next fight, there is no one. This Sam Goodman cannot offer anything for Inoue. There is no money, there is no hype and there is no legacy. Figueroa should be his next fight and this should be in Las Vegas.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 09, 2024, 05:13:06 PM

Hypothetical question to you guys, who do you think will win though, if both Terrence Crawford and Naoya Inoue are in the same weight class let's say Crawford's best weight at 147 lbs and then Inoue at 122 lbs? Who do you think will win?

Tough question to answer but i will go with Inoue because the guy has tough chin though he was knockdown by Nery for the first time of his career but he recovered immediately that Nery didn't have the chance of take advantage of that knockdown and second, Inoue is heavy handed that he could knockout his opponent with just one punch though Crawford also has it but i just love to watch Inoue fight.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 09, 2024, 08:55:54 AM

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Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

Even if his name is mentioned after the defeated Tapales, fast forward he was not the fighter that Inoue faces but it was Nery, who obviously he knockout and another of his victims along the way,

Hypothetical question to you guys, who do you think will win though, if both Terrence Crawford and Naoya Inoue are in the same weight class let's say Crawford's best weight at 147 lbs and then Inoue at 122 lbs? Who do you think will win?

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Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

I'm a fan of Quadro Alas but all he's doing is just making noise and need some attention; he hasn't really proven much yet. Based on the current rankings in his weight class, he's at number 12. If he really wants to fight Naoya Inoue, he needs to prove himself and ranking first, not just making noise and asking for attention. As a Filipino boxing fan, I admit I'm one of those who want to see Casimero vs Inoue to happen but for that to happen, he needs to improve his ranking first. Inoue won't really gain anything if we just say the fight happened. It's not worth it for Inoue's side.

Who wouldn't be a fan of Casimero, very flamboyant and brandish inside and outside the ring and knows how to make some noise and back it up. But at number 12, no one will take him seriously, not the unified champion in Inoue.

And as what you said, he needs to improved his ranking first by fighting another rank boxers in his division and then impressed us, just like what he did when he was a relatively unknown boxer at 118 lbs and then just go up and beat the champion and become a house hold name not just in the Philippines. But it was his fault that he lose everything because of his weight issues.

That man is always loving on talking shit, yes he does have that kind of achievement but when it comes to ranking then it isnt shocking on why he's still not been considered to fight Inoue. lol
Casimero fans are really that dying to make this fight happen as if they do really believe that he could be able to beat up Inoue and if we do tend to compare out both fighters then there's no chance for him to win up against the monster. Casimero easily gassed out and this man loves to talk and making up some trashtalks but if ever it happens that there would be that kind of mandatory fight in between
then he would really be able to eat up those trashtalks that he made out earlier. hahaha

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Quote from: xLays on May 09, 2024, 10:12:52 AM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 09, 2024, 08:31:58 AM

Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

I'm a fan of Quadro Alas but all he's doing is just making noise and need some attention; he hasn't really proven much yet. Based on the current rankings in his weight class, he's at number 12. If he really wants to fight Naoya Inoue, he needs to prove himself and ranking first, not just making noise and asking for attention. As a Filipino boxing fan, I admit I'm one of those who want to see Casimero vs Inoue to happen but for that to happen, he needs to improve his ranking first. Inoue won't really gain anything if we just say the fight happened. It's not worth it for Inoue's side.

Who wouldn't be a fan of Casimero, very flamboyant and brandish inside and outside the ring and knows how to make some noise and back it up. But at number 12, no one will take him seriously, not the unified champion in Inoue.

And as what you said, he needs to improved his ranking first by fighting another rank boxers in his division and then impressed us, just like what he did when he was a relatively unknown boxer at 118 lbs and then just go up and beat the champion and become a house hold name not just in the Philippines. But it was his fault that he lose everything because of his weight issues.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 09, 2024, 08:55:54 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 09, 2024, 08:31:58 AM

Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

And this could be the reason why Inoue says that he wanted to stay in this division. At least have his own hit list just like what Floyd did at 147 lbs. And there are two names that we wanted him to fight and one of them is Casimero.

But for now, Bob Arum is hinting on a Australian fighter and the mandatory and rank #1 Sam Goodman, still a good fight in my opinion.

There is also a champion at 126 lbs who says that he is waiting for Inoue to go up in weight class and meet him. So I guess the hype is still there for other boxers to fight the Monster and test themselves out and find out if they can defeat the Japanese or not as he has shown his weakness already with Nery drop him.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 09, 2024, 08:55:54 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 09, 2024, 08:31:58 AM

Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

I'm a fan of Quadro Alas but all he's doing is just making noise and need some attention; he hasn't really proven much yet. Based on the current rankings in his weight class, he's at number 12. If he really wants to fight Naoya Inoue, he needs to prove himself and ranking first, not just making noise and asking for attention. As a Filipino boxing fan, I admit I'm one of those who want to see Casimero vs Inoue to happen but for that to happen, he needs to improve his ranking first. Inoue won't really gain anything if we just say the fight happened. It's not worth it for Inoue's side.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 09, 2024, 08:31:58 AM

Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned.

I think Casimero's named was mentioned during an interview after Inoue defeated Marlon Tapales, but for sure Casimero is not the priority since his ranking is low. However, for a champion that has been disrespected everytime, I think he should accept the challenge of Casimero so he can shup him up. Inoue vs Casimero, such a good title, and I think the fans will be fully satisfied as sure this fight will end in KO, not sure who will win but I know it's going to be fun.

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It's because Casimero is not the same when he was in bantamweight and so it make sense the Inoue will skip him for better fight. And it will be the same outcome to be honest, I don't think anyone can beat Inoue, although we have seen him getting knock down. But what's more scary is his ability to recover, maybe 60% of the opponents of Nery that tasted that power can can't back, but not Inoue.

I saw the video of him mocking Inoue when he goes down from that punch, but it will just added for Inoue not to face him.

Casimero should be back in the ring though, he is not getting any younger and although he won his last fight, majority of us here are not captivated by that win.

If Casimero really wants that fight, then at some point he has to prove it inside the ring. Taunting Inoue isn’t going to get him any closer to making it happen if he is inactive and stagnating in the rankings. From what I’ve seen recently, I’m not sure Casimero would even beat Nery or Fulton. I’m sure his strategy is to just wait for Inoue to clean out the division until it is his turn, but he is losing relevancy with his lack of recent accomplishments, which could make Inoue decide to just move past him and go up in weight.

Well, now that Inoue has already fought the top contenders, then he has the liberty to fight Casimero. I believe Casimero still has it, but his journey in this new division are not as good when he was still at bantamweight division which Inoue didn't fight him. Casimero will continue to improve his ranking, but the question is, is Inoue will make sure he'll wait for Casimero? I think Inoue can easily move up, so the fight is not gonna happen.

Casimero doesn't have any to bring for Inoue except that taunting, which I think the camp of Inoue has matured already from all the antics of Casimero and that's whey his name is not even mentioned. And if ever he will be, he might be just the 3rd options for Inoue. And as we pointed out, the number 1 contender will be the next for Inoue and that is Sam Goodman. And how can Casimero continue to improve his ranking when he doesn't have any scheduled fight yet? By now, barely 6 months before the end of the year, he should have a scheduled fight by now and had name opponents already and we can access if it is a upgrade fight for him or not.

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