Topic: [Boxing] Inoue vs Nery For Undisputed 122lbs Title - May - page 8. (Read 2140 times)

Yep and it's not Pacquaio goals to unify, when him and maybe Roach and Arum put a plan for him to just go up in weight, and then beat the weakest champion. And it was very effective for Manny as he move up in weight very quick. So it's was a careful match making as well that really catapulted Manny to greatness.

With Inoue, it's different path that they want to go, maybe have the Japanese record in term of belts and not about going up in weight because they know it's going to be very hard for Inoue to accomplished.

Lomachenko, Beterbiev and Crawford are also exciting and are future Hall of Famers but they are not big PPV fighters. The same with Inoue, he is popular but I doubt the casuals in Europe and America know him or are interested paying for his fights. His ratings television ratings were probably not that high which is why ESPN and Bob know they cannot offer $10 million or more.

Bob is just promoting Inoue when he said the Japanese can break Pacman's 8-division record. Only casuals will believe that. Inoue's size and age says it all. But both are great fighters. They went separate ways since Inoue is focusing and is spending years on becoming a multiple division undisputed champion. Pacman was never undisputed, he only tried to unify a belt twice and he failed both. Although Pacman was a 5 division lineal champ so that makes him like undisputed if there is only 1 belt in every division.

And that's a lot of pressure on Inoue if he is being compared to the great Manny Pacquiao


https://www.givemesport.com/1708831-naoya-inoue-compared-to-manny-pacquiao-ahead-of-michael-dasmarinas-title-fight/

But I think Inoue is holding his own ground at this point, and he is still undefeated and cleaning up the divisions that he dominated. So there is no comparison whatsoever as Manny is a wrecking crew, going as high as he can.

Nery could be just another test on how great Inoue is, he could adjust in the game itself like in the Fulton and Tapales fight and I think that's what makes Inoue great. The ability to adapt if their plans are not working. And so we appreciate his body of work again and again, and I don't know what kind of strategy Nery will used here to beat Naoya because Inoue is always one step ahead of his opponent.

More likely he should go up in weight, because that's what separate Manny from the rest of the boxing legends, it's was so controversial that he can fight as high as 154 lbs and beat bigger guys and be called 8 division champ, that is very hard to follow although Inoue might be their along the tracks. But he is still at 122 lbs right not and need at least to go to 126 lbs and see if he has want it takes to still go up in weight class as what Manny did. So by now, he has the power and the speed, but can he go up and carry that one? Manny when he did go up, was not able to carry his power, but since he is a volume puncher, he was able to uses it to his advantage and be the legend that he is known when he retires. So best of luck to Inoue if he wanted to duplicate the feat of Pacquiao.

Trying out to compare Inoue's speed when he's still in lower division compared into the current one, then we can really be able to see that there's that kind of sluggish when it comes to speed but it is understandable considering that the weight had add up then it would really be affecting mainly the speed but it isnt really that much. We've seen on his last match that he do still have that speed and power.
I dont know on why people do always trying out to compare Inoue to Manny Pacquiao? Why would people letting Inoue to follow Pacquiaos path or career success?

If he does have plans on surpassing Pacquiao then he would be needing to fasten it up, hes already that 30 and a decade wont really be that enough for sure
on trying out to break that 8 weight division kind of record.

Many people says that he is closed with skill set what Pacquiao have and I agree with him. He has a combination with speed and power also his punch is so deadly that's why we can see that there really a better future for Inoue. Maybe the issue now is people want him to fight outside then win a lot of fights out there. If he can able to do that plus he can win more belts then provably that he can come close what achievement gotten by Pacquaio. But for now he need to face a lot of challenges and to many champions to defeat its early to say that he can surpass many since there's a slot of things need to consider and this will be controversial thoughts since to many people will argue with this topic.

I really don't understand what you mean, Inoue is already on his prime, he has the power already, so you are telling us he needs more power? How come someone improve power? Different technique? He hasn't lost, so what kind of improvement he will need?

Pacman's path is very different and that's why majority us here believed that it's one of kind that we will see this talent, and we are glad that we witnessed him in our generation. Inoue admitted that he could go as high as 126 lbs and so it means he can't follow what Pacman has done, winning 8 divisions.

It's not impossible for Innoe to level up the skills that Manny had been achieved for this boxing career. What's most important for him is to go more trainings and strategy to develop in order for him to acquire a lot of power and different techniques to reach that stage of mastery. The undeniable journey of Pacman has proven for years, and if ever this aspiring boxer will take the best chance to next level of challenge I believed he will do the best that he could to defend his title once there's a possible opportunity of another weight division comes.

I have read up somewhere that Arum is really that rooting for Inoue to be more better that MP and becoming that 9 world division champion on which im not saying that it would really be impossible
but there are tons of words or sayings that Inoue is really just that good in his own country. If he would really be considering that trying to fly into other boxing rings or countries then people would really be stopping on having those kind of bashes. This might not really be that not connected to this upcoming fight against Nery but if Inoue would win up this one then
its better that he would really be taking up some aggressive stance or path or roadway if he would really be that tending to surpass Pacquiao.

It's hard to surpass but it's not impossible the biggest question is can he bring that speed and power while going up, Pacquiao reached the 8 division title because he carried that speed and power in all the divisions that he conquered, but Pacquiao time was very different we have a lot of talents in this era better than Pacquiao's era, can he keep up with he like of Ennis Boots or Crawford.

Inoue will have to wait for these fighters to be past their prime to fight them and Inoue is already 31 the division where he will likely get a lot of challenge is the Lightweight division, so let's see in the coming years.

We can't tell yet how far will Inoue achieve in the sports of boxing. But Pacquiao's achievements were already commendable and I believe, that's hard to surpass at the moment. But we can't say, it is impossible. As long as Inoue is fighting, he has the chance to create his own destiny in boxing.

Manny retired with 62-8-2 record, whereas, Inoue is currently at his 26-0. Basing on these numbers, Inoue has still a lot of fights in his career to tackle, or belts to acquire, to match with Pacquiao's numbers. Not considering the belts he got throughout the years. So this is yet to see for Inoue...

At this moment, he is the closest boxer to surpass Manny if he ever successfully managed to step forward and win another championship belt there and at the same time he unified it all but as we all know, the more you increase your weight, the harder the opponent can be and that's why Manny stop at the Middleweight and he didn't want to depend on his title after he won from Margarito. That's why Inoue takes slowly to go higher and chooses to give others some chance to take the belt from him at their current weight division because his body can't take a sudden weight chance and take a huge power puncher along with their speed.

It's unlikely that he'll break the achievement  of Pacman because Inoue stays long in a certain division and will wait until he become an undisputed champion. In fact, he is already an undisputed champion in the super bantamweight and yet he is still not moving up. Well, hopefully this will be his last fight because the more he moved, the bigger the challenge he'll surpass.

if he'll move to 126 lbs, I think he can still become an undisputed champion, but at 135 lbs... it's where I can say his chance is 50-50 because Davis and Stevenson is in this division.

That's why we should not easily be convince. Inoue is undoubtedly great, he is called as a monster for a reason, and no one has ever defeated him yet.  I think he is just enjoying the current division where he could really dominate, hopefully he'll take higher risk challenging those great champions on the higher division for bigger paycheck too.

It remains to be seen if he can break Pacquiao's and that is how he performs in a division that is talent-laden which is the featherweight and the lightweight where big names are battling for their legacy and Inoue's name will not pop up in their talks, he may be the heavy favorite in the Bantamweight but do you think he will be against Haney or Tank Davis.

It's a long shot it's just unfortunate that Pacquiao and Inoue did not meet in their prime but if ever they meet Pacquiao will win the match-up in any weight category they meet, Bob Arum is like that if he is making a lot of money from one boxer he will say the best description, he did it on Pacman and all the other boxers he manages.

Definitely Inoue could make that amount of money if he continues to move, but with the current amount he is making, I think he is already satisfied since at the current weight where he is a champion, there's not much money here. Maybe if Inoue will try to move up in weight again, that's the time that he'll have more fights in the USA, but they need to make it faster to take advantage on Inoue's prime, otherwise, they won't be able to break their goal which is to be the 9th division champion to break what Pacman has achieve.

But seriously, does anyone here believe on Bob Arum's comment? Can Inoue be better than Pacman in terms of achievement in boxing?

If Bob believe that Inoue could be better than Pacman and migh become a 9 division champion, then he should be paying him high and bring the fight to the US. We are talking of less than $10 million here, I think that is too low because Inoue is an exciting boxer, so he can easily attract fans to buy for PPV subscription.

Just take the Pacman vs Mayweather fight, ...

Inoue is worth $100 million i think. As long as he could get a big fight then that will happen but it will nto happen if he stays in Japan.

There is no problem with money but if Inoue is offered $5 million by Top Rank and $7 million by Ohashi then obviously we know which offer we pick. IIRC, Inoue's fights aren't PPVs so there is no leverage fighting in the US with a lesser purse. Bob and ESPN has to beat the Japanese sponsors' offer if they want Inoue's next fight to happen on American soil.

Exactly. Same reason why Anthony Joshua does not need to go to the US because he is already filling stadiums in the UK. Rich countries that are also fond of boxing like UK, Japan, Saudi, etc, are capable of outbidding American promoters and networks.

Honestly, I like how Bob Arum hates PPVs. No PPVs means ordinary fans around the world can watch big fights for free or with less fees. This is probably the same reason why ESPN and Bob can seldom beat Inoue's local promoter although I don't think his fights are even PPVs in Japan. It's more on giant companies in Japan willing to sponsor and fight fans willing to buy expensive tickets for their local hero.

The US is just the biggest economy and the biggest boxing market in the world which is why most big fights happens or should be televised in the US. Pacman, Loma, Canelo, Usyk, etc. came from developing countries which is why they need to travel outside of their countries.

I would agree that money could be what holding Inoue's to fight outside Japan. But maybe what fans and other former boxer want for him is to be expose with different audience. Again, we don't want him to be compare to again Asian great, Manny Pacquiao. But Manny took the hard road and make a name for himself by fighting bigger names in the US.

And now that he is in the peak of his career, he should expose himself to the US boxing fans. Yes, there are Saudi and other nations that he can fight, but there is no denying that US is still the home of boxing.

For Inoue to become a star boxer he needs to come to the US, that's what former World Champion Shawn Porter in an interview and in response to that Inoue has this to say.


Does Naoya Inoue need to fight in the US? Pound-for-pound boxing star is unconvinced

The same article also posted that Inoue already fought in the US three times, for me, Inoue is already a superstar and he need not go to the US to prove something his records and the names he has on his records speak for himself.

And besides it is not only in America where you can make a lot of money, UK, Japan and now Saudi Arabia can offer the same like what the US promotions can to aspiring and fully established boxers.

There's no problem with money as Inoue is very popular now, he already build himself fighting in his country and has become a top pound for pound fighter I think he is already the number 1 now, so there's no reason his fight won't sell in the USA because he is already popular. If he would move up, I hope he'll start fighting outside in Japan as that's best way to achieve greatness when you have a good record and at the same time the world knows you, just like MP.