[Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - December 26 - page 36.

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Pacman is just being honest right there there is nothing wrong with it. Inoue is indeed rare. He earned his credentials in impressive ways. Became the world champion in his 6th fight, a 2-division champion in his 8th fight, undisputed at bantamweight, and a 4-division champion at 30 years old. He is very unique in his own way and Pacman had nothing but huge appreciation.

As for Casimero, it is really good that he gets a fight before the end of the year. He should fight with or without Inoue in order for him to stay sharp and disciplined.

There is news that Tapales visited Manny Pacquiao to have some advice from the 8-division champ. Manny Pacquiao advices tapales to train harder and work on his footwork.

That can be a big help but I'm sure many strategist already studied the movement of Inoue and how he fight but still, he remains undefeated so this will still be a big challenge for Tapales to beat Inoue. There's a chance though if he is able to work on those footwork and have a good combinations of punches as well, Pacman seeing both boxer as a great one can be a big booster. I'm looking for Tapales to win over Inoue and revenge all the Filipino boxer who bows down against Inoue, this can be a big opportunity for him.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 10, 2023, 06:30:55 AM

Pacman is just being honest right there there is nothing wrong with it. Inoue is indeed rare. He earned his credentials in impressive ways. Became the world champion in his 6th fight, a 2-division champion in his 8th fight, undisputed at bantamweight, and a 4-division champion at 30 years old. He is very unique in his own way and Pacman had nothing but huge appreciation.

As for Casimero, it is really good that he gets a fight before the end of the year. He should fight with or without Inoue in order for him to stay sharp and disciplined.

There is news that Tapales visited Manny Pacquiao to have some advice from the 8-division champ. Manny Pacquiao advices tapales to train harder and work on his footwork.

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While their unification super-bantamweight title fight has yet to be finalized, Pacquiao nonetheless didn’t mind imparting his know-how.

“He told me to use footwork and train very hard,” Tapales said after meeting with the boxing legend accompanied by his promoter JC Mananquil and chief trainer Ernel Fontanilla.

Read more at: https://sports.tribune.net.ph/2023/08/04/pacquiao-to-tapales-use-footwork-vs-inoue/

I think this advice if followed by Tapales can give him a better chance of evading Inoue's devastating punches and at the same time give him possible open angle to launch attach or counters.

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Anyway, I agree with your words that Inoue do truly have an advantage over Tapales and just like what happened to Inoue at 188, it seems to me as well that after he fought and defeated Fulton, I don't see anyone at 122 that can give Inoue a good fight and he might be an undisputed boxer again without trying his very hard to achieve it. Unless if Casimero will catch up because I definitely think that he is a much better fit compared to Tapales, no offense.

As far as I know, Angas ng Pinas is also in that Division. The same thought as you, I believe that Casimer can give a better fight than Tapales and Casimero had been provoking Inoue to have a match after their failed match way back when there was a pandemic. Fulton maybe the champion but there are also newcomers in that Division and one of them is Casimero.

Though I agree that Tapales is a heavy underdog if the match realizes, Tapales have two hands to punch too. We never know until an upset happens and it often happens in boxing. We have seen too many of these upset wins to be recalled.

Yeah but we can only rely on upsets for so much. Just cause it happened way too often doesn't mean it will happen everytime. The fact of the matter is that Inoue could take punches as much as he could deal it, and if Tapales' only saving grace is a well-placed smack in the jaw, then I say he better practice and prepare for it cause no way Inoue's going to let him be that close to beating him. I wanted to see this fight through with enough action and all that but Tapales' is at a disadvantage in stats with a tactical advantage over Inoue. He has nothing to lose but so much to gain, the same can't be said for Inoue who had this undefeated record and is still in his prime. Hope both teams bring their A-Game to this fight.

I wont really say that Tapales isnt capable on doing such thing yet we cant really be able to see him on owning or holding those belts for nothing.If Casimero is much better than Tapales then he should really be the ones holding those belts in the first place. Checking out on this site https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings You would see that they are now on the same weight division which is on 122 or on superbantam weight.
I dont know on what are the exact reasons why this fight hadnt been able to push through or it could really be able to happen but of course Inoue would really be focusing on getting those belts of Tapales
to be an another undisputed champion on this current division. Dont know on why Inoue is really that trying out to avoid or not really that interested at all.

Don't get me wrong I know for sure that Tapales' got something to prove, he won those belts for a reason as you have said. But judging by how Inoue's not showing any signs of stopping, with a tank of a body and a ballistic missile of a fist all I'm saying is that Tapales is going to have a really hard time pinning the Japanese down, at least based on the comment of the person before me talking about how Tapales' only saving grace is a hail mary punch, which I doubt but it makes sense when you think about it. Add to this the fact that Tapales' camp already said they weren't confident about winning this match and we have a game where the challenger is at his full capacity and the champion is going to do nothing but stall the fight for as long as he could.

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And I guess it takes a champion to recognized a talent, like what Pacman was in his prime years. And now that he is retired, he might have somewhat see himself in the young Inoue that's why he appreciates what the Japanese has done and there are fans that compare the two even though it's too early to see what will happen to Inoue in the next 5-10 years.

If Casimero will get a fight, then good for him, he needs to be busy and just focus on his boxing career and then next year probably target a fight with Inoue or someone rank boxer to inch closer for a world title fight.

Casimero's journey to face Inoue might take longer because his ranking is not yet close to that of the champion. So, you are right; he still needs to fight more to become a strong contender. While Inoue might be occupied with his pursuit of becoming an undisputed champion, we never know whether he will remain in the division after achieving his goal or if he will move up again, leaving Casimero with no chance of fighting the Beast.

Tapales' decision is very crucial here. If he wants to pursue the undisputed fight, his reign as a champion may not last long, and the scenario you mentioned might not actually materialize. As we all know, Inoue is attempting to capitalize on his peak, so it wouldn't make sense for him to remain in the current division if he becomes an undisputed champion. Although his camp mentioned that they will have more fights in the super bantamweight before moving up, I doubt they'll stick to that plan once Inoue attains undisputed champion status.

I think he's playing with his card (Tapales). Money is more important now if he wanted to have that decent amount of money
fighting Inoue with a good amount of shares will easily give him the fortune.

In terms of protecting his current belts, it's really tough to defend as there are challengers that will come and chase the belts from him if ever
he will not proceed and let Inoue unify the belts right away.

Play with your opportunity and allow that money to flow, win or lose if he takes Inoue, sure there is more money than
to whoever he will choose to fight.

The pressure will be on the side of Inoue here, I mean he is on laser target to unify the belt at super bantamweight and to be the second boxer to become a 2 time unified champion. If Tapales walks away from the negotiations because they offer him less money that they are expecting then the fault is on Inoue's camp. Tapales can have other options and get the money that he wanted, he can rematch Akhmadaliev. But the risk is that if he losses that belt, then he won't be able to face Inoue again. But let's see how the Inoue's will respond to this claim, maybe his handlers will realised that it was a big mistake to low ball Tapales in this fight or maybe they just testing his camp and waiting for their reaction.

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And I guess it takes a champion to recognized a talent, like what Pacman was in his prime years. And now that he is retired, he might have somewhat see himself in the young Inoue that's why he appreciates what the Japanese has done and there are fans that compare the two even though it's too early to see what will happen to Inoue in the next 5-10 years.

If Casimero will get a fight, then good for him, he needs to be busy and just focus on his boxing career and then next year probably target a fight with Inoue or someone rank boxer to inch closer for a world title fight.

Casimero's journey to face Inoue might take longer because his ranking is not yet close to that of the champion. So, you are right; he still needs to fight more to become a strong contender. While Inoue might be occupied with his pursuit of becoming an undisputed champion, we never know whether he will remain in the division after achieving his goal or if he will move up again, leaving Casimero with no chance of fighting the Beast.

Tapales' decision is very crucial here. If he wants to pursue the undisputed fight, his reign as a champion may not last long, and the scenario you mentioned might not actually materialize. As we all know, Inoue is attempting to capitalize on his peak, so it wouldn't make sense for him to remain in the current division if he becomes an undisputed champion. Although his camp mentioned that they will have more fights in the super bantamweight before moving up, I doubt they'll stick to that plan once Inoue attains undisputed champion status.

I think he's playing with his card (Tapales). Money is more important now if he wanted to have that decent amount of money
fighting Inoue with a good amount of shares will easily give him the fortune.

In terms of protecting his current belts, it's really tough to defend as there are challengers that will come and chase the belts from him if ever
he will not proceed and let Inoue unify the belts right away.

Play with your opportunity and allow that money to flow, win or lose if he takes Inoue, sure there is more money than
to whoever he will choose to fight.

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Quote from: Fatunad on August 10, 2023, 05:59:23 PM

It is really just that right that Tapales camp would really be demanding that 50/50 sharing of revenue on which it would really be just that right that they would really be having those numbers.Its true that Tapales is a champion too on which it is really just that right that they wont really be demanding or having that split up which it isnt really that right at all. They are making themselves too greedy with the revenue.

Could you please provide a source for this information regarding Tapales' 50/50 demand? I am aware that there was an issue concerning the revenue sharing, but there hasn't been confirmation regarding the exact percentage Tapales would seek in their undisputed fight.

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If this thing pushes out then Tapales camp wont really be considering on pushing or agreeing with this fight to happen. Both fighter would really be having the chance on being that unified champion since both hold up 2
belts on which if they would be able to beat up either of them then they would be gaining or getting another two on which it is really that a huge step up or achievement on their career. This is why it is really
that interesting to see if this one is already that finalized basing up on the revenue issues or slicing. Grin

Tapales can stand firm with his demand if that is indeed the case. A 50/50 split seems fair since both fighters are champions. Given that Inoue is the one who truly needs the fight to make history, I believe he should be open to adjusting and agreeing with Tapales' demand.

Moreover, if he succeeds, he will likely be in line for even more substantial earnings when he moves up in weight.

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And I guess it takes a champion to recognized a talent, like what Pacman was in his prime years. And now that he is retired, he might have somewhat see himself in the young Inoue that's why he appreciates what the Japanese has done and there are fans that compare the two even though it's too early to see what will happen to Inoue in the next 5-10 years.

If Casimero will get a fight, then good for him, he needs to be busy and just focus on his boxing career and then next year probably target a fight with Inoue or someone rank boxer to inch closer for a world title fight.

Casimero's journey to face Inoue might take longer because his ranking is not yet close to that of the champion. So, you are right; he still needs to fight more to become a strong contender. While Inoue might be occupied with his pursuit of becoming an undisputed champion, we never know whether he will remain in the division after achieving his goal or if he will move up again, leaving Casimero with no chance of fighting the Beast.

I don't quite agree with that because Casimero indeed have an upper hand to be chosen as Inoue's mandatory challenger regardless if Inoue's path towards undisputed fight will happen this year or not, in case you guys forgot, super bantam has no interim champions which means that the next person who have a title like Casimero for instance being the WBO Global champion give him more chances. The only reason why these two will never meet is if Inoue will climb the next weight class again, hopefully that will not happen soon though.

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And I guess it takes a champion to recognized a talent, like what Pacman was in his prime years. And now that he is retired, he might have somewhat see himself in the young Inoue that's why he appreciates what the Japanese has done and there are fans that compare the two even though it's too early to see what will happen to Inoue in the next 5-10 years.

If Casimero will get a fight, then good for him, he needs to be busy and just focus on his boxing career and then next year probably target a fight with Inoue or someone rank boxer to inch closer for a world title fight.

Casimero's journey to face Inoue might take longer because his ranking is not yet close to that of the champion. So, you are right; he still needs to fight more to become a strong contender. While Inoue might be occupied with his pursuit of becoming an undisputed champion, we never know whether he will remain in the division after achieving his goal or if he will move up again, leaving Casimero with no chance of fighting the Beast.

Tapales' decision is very crucial here. If he wants to pursue the undisputed fight, his reign as a champion may not last long, and the scenario you mentioned might not actually materialize. As we all know, Inoue is attempting to capitalize on his peak, so it wouldn't make sense for him to remain in the current division if he becomes an undisputed champion. Although his camp mentioned that they will have more fights in the super bantamweight before moving up, I doubt they'll stick to that plan once Inoue attains undisputed champion status.

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And I guess it takes a champion to recognized a talent, like what Pacman was in his prime years. And now that he is retired, he might have somewhat see himself in the young Inoue that's why he appreciates what the Japanese has done and there are fans that compare the two even though it's too early to see what will happen to Inoue in the next 5-10 years.

If Casimero will get a fight, then good for him, he needs to be busy and just focus on his boxing career and then next year probably target a fight with Inoue or someone rank boxer to inch closer for a world title fight.

Casimero's journey to face Inoue might take longer because his ranking is not yet close to that of the champion. So, you are right; he still needs to fight more to become a strong contender. While Inoue might be occupied with his pursuit of becoming an undisputed champion, we never know whether he will remain in the division after achieving his goal or if he will move up again, leaving Casimero with no chance of fighting the Beast.

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@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

I thought Pacman is only willing to help if in case Inoue will move up to other divisions again? Anyways, Pacman once again was caught in another ambush interview during the Crawford-Spence event, the legend mentioned Crawford as the new #1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world replacing Inoue but he also said that Inoue remains his favorite guy. https://www.facebook.com/IFLTV/videos/617315163875941

Cannot blame Pacquiao for that if he said those words in an interview because it's pretty much so rare that an Asian boxer particularly in Southeast Asia will rise and dominate the divisions he stepped into, and it's just too hard to deny the facts because Inoue is indeed a literal monster. Donaire and Casimero tried and did have a successful run, the latter is still active and it's still a mystery whether he can be a four-division world champion or three will be his limit.

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Meanwhile, according to a local source, Team Tapales is not happy with Naoya Inoue's offers. And just a few days ago, 3 division champion Johnreil Casimero started training again in his town. Casimero looked very heavy at the moment so hopefully, he continues his light training as he might be Inoue's next opponent late this year. It could be that Tapales is not happy with the money presented on the table but it is possible that both sides are bluffing at this early stage of their negotiations. Tapales if he won't face Inoue next might face a mandatory either from the WBA or the IBF. A rematch against former champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev for the WBA mandatory or IBF's mandatory Sam Goodan of Australia might be a high-risk low reward for Tapales should he not come to an agreement with Inoue.

I'm thinking that Casimero will have another fight before this year ends which is why he is starting his training regimen now, hopefully that's Nery so that his rank will improve. While for the undisputed discussion, Tapales camp is still taking a stand that they wanted a much bigger figure and that is so understandable because they deserved that.

Pacman is just being honest right there there is nothing wrong with it. Inoue is indeed rare. He earned his credentials in impressive ways. Became the world champion in his 6th fight, a 2-division champion in his 8th fight, undisputed at bantamweight, and a 4-division champion at 30 years old. He is very unique in his own way and Pacman had nothing but huge appreciation.

As for Casimero, it is really good that he gets a fight before the end of the year. He should fight with or without Inoue in order for him to stay sharp and disciplined.

And one more thing to add that comment, Naoya Inoue is also aiming to be an undisputed champion in two separate divisions and will be the youngest boxer to ever attain that level at the age of 30 years old. No wonder why he is pushing his hand towards Tapales and it's not that shocking as well because he knows that his chances are good. Gotta hand it to Naoya Inoue because that is not an easy feat to achieve and what Pacquiao meant is to make Inoue stronger so that he will not be afraid to take risks.

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@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

I thought Pacman is only willing to help if in case Inoue will move up to other divisions again? Anyways, Pacman once again was caught in another ambush interview during the Crawford-Spence event, the legend mentioned Crawford as the new #1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world replacing Inoue but he also said that Inoue remains his favorite guy. https://www.facebook.com/IFLTV/videos/617315163875941

Cannot blame Pacquiao for that if he said those words in an interview because it's pretty much so rare that an Asian boxer particularly in Southeast Asia will rise and dominate the divisions he stepped into, and it's just too hard to deny the facts because Inoue is indeed a literal monster. Donaire and Casimero tried and did have a successful run, the latter is still active and it's still a mystery whether he can be a four-division world champion or three will be his limit.

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Meanwhile, according to a local source, Team Tapales is not happy with Naoya Inoue's offers. And just a few days ago, 3 division champion Johnreil Casimero started training again in his town. Casimero looked very heavy at the moment so hopefully, he continues his light training as he might be Inoue's next opponent late this year. It could be that Tapales is not happy with the money presented on the table but it is possible that both sides are bluffing at this early stage of their negotiations. Tapales if he won't face Inoue next might face a mandatory either from the WBA or the IBF. A rematch against former champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev for the WBA mandatory or IBF's mandatory Sam Goodan of Australia might be a high-risk low reward for Tapales should he not come to an agreement with Inoue.

I'm thinking that Casimero will have another fight before this year ends which is why he is starting his training regimen now, hopefully that's Nery so that his rank will improve. While for the undisputed discussion, Tapales camp is still taking a stand that they wanted a much bigger figure and that is so understandable because they deserved that.

Pacman is just being honest right there there is nothing wrong with it. Inoue is indeed rare. He earned his credentials in impressive ways. Became the world champion in his 6th fight, a 2-division champion in his 8th fight, undisputed at bantamweight, and a 4-division champion at 30 years old. He is very unique in his own way and Pacman had nothing but huge appreciation.

As for Casimero, it is really good that he gets a fight before the end of the year. He should fight with or without Inoue in order for him to stay sharp and disciplined.

And I guess it takes a champion to recognized a talent, like what Pacman was in his prime years. And now that he is retired, he might have somewhat see himself in the young Inoue that's why he appreciates what the Japanese has done and there are fans that compare the two even though it's too early to see what will happen to Inoue in the next 5-10 years.

If Casimero will get a fight, then good for him, he needs to be busy and just focus on his boxing career and then next year probably target a fight with Inoue or someone rank boxer to inch closer for a world title fight.

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>>> offering an opportunity to face the beast in case the fight with Tapales doesn't materialize.

There's a possibility of it happening, but could Inoue decide to bypass a higher-ranked challenger than Casimero?

Among the four organizations in the Super Bantamweight/Jr. Featherweight division, I don't see Casimero's name listed as the top contender following the champion. This indicates that our expectations might not come to fruition, as Inoue is likely to focus on facing only the mandatory challenger, which Casimero currently isn't.

It's a long shot. John Riel Casimero would badly need to defeat two fighters in a short amount of time and not just any boxer but those in the higher ranks, which means a higher risk because there's a chance he could be defeated and be pulled back down to the rankings where there's no going back up again in a short amount of time.
Anyway, he is not getting any younger so might as well take that shortcut if ever anyone in the high seeds would try to challenge him. The only problem is, none will do that because it won't really help them to add more fame and rank. He should be the one trying to challenge anyone. Well, there are a few strategies now like making a big buzz on social media.

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To be honest, I don't envision Tapales defeating Inoue. On the other hand, if Casimero were to fight Inoue, I believe it would be an intriguing matchup, possibly even more captivating than a unification fight. Admittedly, I still consider Inoue the superior boxer. However, given Casimero's firm dedication, I'm confident he wouldn't let the fight conclude without giving his absolute best. One of Casimero's greatest victories was his triumph over Tete, and I think it's time for him to secure another unexpected victory.

Same. I don't see it but as a Filipino, I will still take the side of Tapales without any doubts. There's a chance and I bet he is polishing that chance to make it perfect. Take advantage of whatever flaws they see with Inoue and win it.

Once Casimero will do that in a short period of time then for sure he has a chance to matchup with inoue soon. And one thing for sure casimero can do it I know his dedication and skills are too strong enough to achieve more things in his career. Back to the Topic Tapales has enough percentage of winning against inoue all he need to do is to watch out his every move and change is necessary so that inoue cannot predict his next step.

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Inoue may possess more talent than Pacman, but it appears that Inoue is less inclined to take risks compared to Pacman. Whenever Pacman moved up to a heavier division, he consistently faced the best opponents, and there were no concerns about the purse he would receive. On the other hand, Inoue's camp seems to view him as exceptional, even though he is currently a 4-division champion. When we consider Pacman's achievements, Inoue is only halfway towards reaching that level. Consequently, he should act swiftly and engage in more fights to make further progress.

Agree with you that Inoue doesn't take risks, all of his fight seems to be in favor of him and most of them travel to Japan to fight him instead of him going to Vegas to fight in the boxing Mecca. Personally, I don't think that he would be a 5-division champion without the interference of Uncle Bob, i mean just like Pacquaio when he fought Dela Hoya, Cotto, and Margarito, they were all in a catchweight. So for Inoue to fight the bigger champs at 126lbs, Top Rank must negotiate for a catchweight to offset the size of Inoue.

But before that, Tapales should be given the right amount for Inoue to achieve his goal in this division.

Tapales should be given that consideration if Inoue really wanted to unify all the belts. I think it's possible for both camps to negotiate. We all know that money will speak louder than anything.

With the right negotiations and with both camps will enjoy the money that will be given to them. There's no way
that the fight might be stopped. Once money works its way, we will surely see the fight to take place.

Mainly Inoue, he will not get to his goal if he will not act as fast as possible to make the undisputed fight in reality. We know that he is still hungry of achievements and would like to dominate divisions as much as he can but again, if he will not fix this hurdle, he will not get to his goal.

That could be easier if Inoue doesn't have a team so he can decide on his own and doesn't have anyone to split the money to. But fighters do have managers and other staff to work on the negotiations. We all know that true fighters doesn't back down to who ever is on the table. But then again, if the manager doesn't like the offer, he'd for sure rely it on his fighter that the match is no good because they are at a disadvantage financially.
Boxing and any other sporting events are far more of a business today than an actual sports. Money will be the priority now rather than a good match up. Yeah, it's a business, but it gets pretty obvious now.

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Quote from: Natalim on August 10, 2023, 07:01:04 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 10, 2023, 06:43:51 AM

>>> offering an opportunity to face the beast in case the fight with Tapales doesn't materialize.

There's a possibility of it happening, but could Inoue decide to bypass a higher-ranked challenger than Casimero?

Among the four organizations in the Super Bantamweight/Jr. Featherweight division, I don't see Casimero's name listed as the top contender following the champion. This indicates that our expectations might not come to fruition, as Inoue is likely to focus on facing only the mandatory challenger, which Casimero currently isn't.

It's a long shot. John Riel Casimero would badly need to defeat two fighters in a short amount of time and not just any boxer but those in the higher ranks, which means a higher risk because there's a chance he could be defeated and be pulled back down to the rankings where there's no going back up again in a short amount of time.
Anyway, he is not getting any younger so might as well take that shortcut if ever anyone in the high seeds would try to challenge him. The only problem is, none will do that because it won't really help them to add more fame and rank. He should be the one trying to challenge anyone. Well, there are a few strategies now like making a big buzz on social media.

Quote from: Kelvinid on August 10, 2023, 05:41:35 AM

To be honest, I don't envision Tapales defeating Inoue. On the other hand, if Casimero were to fight Inoue, I believe it would be an intriguing matchup, possibly even more captivating than a unification fight. Admittedly, I still consider Inoue the superior boxer. However, given Casimero's firm dedication, I'm confident he wouldn't let the fight conclude without giving his absolute best. One of Casimero's greatest victories was his triumph over Tete, and I think it's time for him to secure another unexpected victory.

Same. I don't see it but as a Filipino, I will still take the side of Tapales without any doubts. There's a chance and I bet he is polishing that chance to make it perfect. Take advantage of whatever flaws they see with Inoue and win it.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 10, 2023, 06:43:51 AM

Inoue may possess more talent than Pacman, but it appears that Inoue is less inclined to take risks compared to Pacman. Whenever Pacman moved up to a heavier division, he consistently faced the best opponents, and there were no concerns about the purse he would receive. On the other hand, Inoue's camp seems to view him as exceptional, even though he is currently a 4-division champion. When we consider Pacman's achievements, Inoue is only halfway towards reaching that level. Consequently, he should act swiftly and engage in more fights to make further progress.

Agree with you that Inoue doesn't take risks, all of his fight seems to be in favor of him and most of them travel to Japan to fight him instead of him going to Vegas to fight in the boxing Mecca. Personally, I don't think that he would be a 5-division champion without the interference of Uncle Bob, i mean just like Pacquaio when he fought Dela Hoya, Cotto, and Margarito, they were all in a catchweight. So for Inoue to fight the bigger champs at 126lbs, Top Rank must negotiate for a catchweight to offset the size of Inoue.

But before that, Tapales should be given the right amount for Inoue to achieve his goal in this division.

Tapales should be given that consideration if Inoue really wanted to unify all the belts. I think it's possible for both camps to negotiate. We all know that money will speak louder than anything.

With the right negotiations and with both camps will enjoy the money that will be given to them. There's no way
that the fight might be stopped. Once money works its way, we will surely see the fight to take place.

As of now, it is safe to assume that both camps are playing a tug of war so that they will know who will have a much lesser purse. Both of them have reasons and it's very understandable why they are doing it as they don't want to settle anything less because they are both champions, but they should remember as well that their time is running and they will not get that far if one of them will not stand down to make the fight happen.

Mainly Inoue, he will not get to his goal if he will not act as fast as possible to make the undisputed fight in reality. We know that he is still hungry of achievements and would like to dominate divisions as much as he can but again, if he will not fix this hurdle, he will not get to his goal.

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I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

Let's await the development of this potential undisputed fight, as it has been reported that Tapales' camp is not satisfied with the offer from Inoue's camp regarding the revenue sharing. Tapales' camp argues that both fighters are champions, so they likely expect a more equal split, possibly around 50/50 or even no less than 45/55, despite Inoue being the more popular boxer.

If Inoue intends to continue making history, he must ensure the fight takes place. Given that the issue revolves around revenue sharing, it's probable that Inoue's camp will need to reopen negotiations if Tapales' camp remains firm in their demands.

For case of Tapales well its good to demand more than that since there's a lot to take from him so it will be so bad if he get so less offer coming from their matchup.
Hopefully negotiation will be fair for both fighters so that they can make this fight happen since If Inoue will win against Tapales then he became unified champion also if Tapales will win then this will be a big achievement to his career.

We also know that Inoue is so hype but their camp need to understand that they are fighting heavy champions to make all fair and they don't demand to much.

It is really just that right that Tapales camp would really be demanding that 50/50 sharing of revenue on which it would really be just that right that they would really be having those numbers.Its true that Tapales is a champion too on which it is really just that right that they wont really be demanding or having that split up which it isnt really that right at all. They are making themselves too greedy with the revenue.
If this thing pushes out then Tapales camp wont really be considering on pushing or agreeing with this fight to happen. Both fighter would really be having the chance on being that unified champion since both hold up 2
belts on which if they would be able to beat up either of them then they would be gaining or getting another two on which it is really that a huge step up or achievement on their career. This is why it is really
that interesting to see if this one is already that finalized basing up on the revenue issues or slicing. Grin

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Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2023, 11:04:34 AM

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 09, 2023, 01:37:34 AM

I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

Let's await the development of this potential undisputed fight, as it has been reported that Tapales' camp is not satisfied with the offer from Inoue's camp regarding the revenue sharing. Tapales' camp argues that both fighters are champions, so they likely expect a more equal split, possibly around 50/50 or even no less than 45/55, despite Inoue being the more popular boxer.

If Inoue intends to continue making history, he must ensure the fight takes place. Given that the issue revolves around revenue sharing, it's probable that Inoue's camp will need to reopen negotiations if Tapales' camp remains firm in their demands.

For case of Tapales well its good to demand more than that since there's a lot to take from him so it will be so bad if he get so less offer coming from their matchup.
Hopefully negotiation will be fair for both fighters so that they can make this fight happen since If Inoue will win against Tapales then he became unified champion also if Tapales will win then this will be a big achievement to his career.

We also know that Inoue is so hype but their camp need to understand that they are fighting heavy champions to make all fair and they don't demand to much.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 10, 2023, 06:43:51 AM

Inoue may possess more talent than Pacman, but it appears that Inoue is less inclined to take risks compared to Pacman. Whenever Pacman moved up to a heavier division, he consistently faced the best opponents, and there were no concerns about the purse he would receive. On the other hand, Inoue's camp seems to view him as exceptional, even though he is currently a 4-division champion. When we consider Pacman's achievements, Inoue is only halfway towards reaching that level. Consequently, he should act swiftly and engage in more fights to make further progress.

Agree with you that Inoue doesn't take risks, all of his fight seems to be in favor of him and most of them travel to Japan to fight him instead of him going to Vegas to fight in the boxing Mecca. Personally, I don't think that he would be a 5-division champion without the interference of Uncle Bob, i mean just like Pacquaio when he fought Dela Hoya, Cotto, and Margarito, they were all in a catchweight. So for Inoue to fight the bigger champs at 126lbs, Top Rank must negotiate for a catchweight to offset the size of Inoue.

But before that, Tapales should be given the right amount for Inoue to achieve his goal in this division.

Tapales should be given that consideration if Inoue really wanted to unify all the belts. I think it's possible for both camps to negotiate. We all know that money will speak louder than anything.

With the right negotiations and with both camps will enjoy the money that will be given to them. There's no way
that the fight might be stopped. Once money works its way, we will surely see the fight to take place.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 10, 2023, 06:43:51 AM

Inoue may possess more talent than Pacman, but it appears that Inoue is less inclined to take risks compared to Pacman. Whenever Pacman moved up to a heavier division, he consistently faced the best opponents, and there were no concerns about the purse he would receive. On the other hand, Inoue's camp seems to view him as exceptional, even though he is currently a 4-division champion. When we consider Pacman's achievements, Inoue is only halfway towards reaching that level. Consequently, he should act swiftly and engage in more fights to make further progress.

Agree with you that Inoue doesn't take risks, all of his fight seems to be in favor of him and most of them travel to Japan to fight him instead of him going to Vegas to fight in the boxing Mecca. Personally, I don't think that he would be a 5-division champion without the interference of Uncle Bob, i mean just like Pacquaio when he fought Dela Hoya, Cotto, and Margarito, they were all in a catchweight. So for Inoue to fight the bigger champs at 126lbs, Top Rank must negotiate for a catchweight to offset the size of Inoue.

But before that, Tapales should be given the right amount for Inoue to achieve his goal in this division.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 10, 2023, 06:43:51 AM

>>> offering an opportunity to face the beast in case the fight with Tapales doesn't materialize.

There's a possibility of it happening, but could Inoue decide to bypass a higher-ranked challenger than Casimero?

Among the four organizations in the Super Bantamweight/Jr. Featherweight division, I don't see Casimero's name listed as the top contender following the champion. This indicates that our expectations might not come to fruition, as Inoue is likely to focus on facing only the mandatory challenger, which Casimero currently isn't.

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