[Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - December 26 - page 37.

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@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

I thought Pacman is only willing to help if in case Inoue will move up to other divisions again? Anyways, Pacman once again was caught in another ambush interview during the Crawford-Spence event, the legend mentioned Crawford as the new #1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world replacing Inoue but he also said that Inoue remains his favorite guy. https://www.facebook.com/IFLTV/videos/617315163875941

Cannot blame Pacquiao for that if he said those words in an interview because it's pretty much so rare that an Asian boxer particularly in Southeast Asia will rise and dominate the divisions he stepped into, and it's just too hard to deny the facts because Inoue is indeed a literal monster. Donaire and Casimero tried and did have a successful run, the latter is still active and it's still a mystery whether he can be a four-division world champion or three will be his limit.

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Meanwhile, according to a local source, Team Tapales is not happy with Naoya Inoue's offers. And just a few days ago, 3 division champion Johnreil Casimero started training again in his town. Casimero looked very heavy at the moment so hopefully, he continues his light training as he might be Inoue's next opponent late this year. It could be that Tapales is not happy with the money presented on the table but it is possible that both sides are bluffing at this early stage of their negotiations. Tapales if he won't face Inoue next might face a mandatory either from the WBA or the IBF. A rematch against former champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev for the WBA mandatory or IBF's mandatory Sam Goodan of Australia might be a high-risk low reward for Tapales should he not come to an agreement with Inoue.

I'm thinking that Casimero will have another fight before this year ends which is why he is starting his training regimen now, hopefully that's Nery so that his rank will improve. While for the undisputed discussion, Tapales camp is still taking a stand that they wanted a much bigger figure and that is so understandable because they deserved that.

Pacman is just being honest right there there is nothing wrong with it. Inoue is indeed rare. He earned his credentials in impressive ways. Became the world champion in his 6th fight, a 2-division champion in his 8th fight, undisputed at bantamweight, and a 4-division champion at 30 years old. He is very unique in his own way and Pacman had nothing but huge appreciation.

Inoue may possess more talent than Pacman, but it appears that Inoue is less inclined to take risks compared to Pacman. Whenever Pacman moved up to a heavier division, he consistently faced the best opponents, and there were no concerns about the purse he would receive. On the other hand, Inoue's camp seems to view him as exceptional, even though he is currently a 4-division champion. When we consider Pacman's achievements, Inoue is only halfway towards reaching that level. Consequently, he should act swiftly and engage in more fights to make further progress.

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As for Casimero, it is really good that he gets a fight before the end of the year. He should fight with or without Inoue in order for him to stay sharp and disciplined.

He will persist in fighting until he establishes himself as a top contender. This could potentially position him as a challenger to Inoue, offering an opportunity to face the beast in case the fight with Tapales doesn't materialize.

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@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

I thought Pacman is only willing to help if in case Inoue will move up to other divisions again? Anyways, Pacman once again was caught in another ambush interview during the Crawford-Spence event, the legend mentioned Crawford as the new #1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world replacing Inoue but he also said that Inoue remains his favorite guy. https://www.facebook.com/IFLTV/videos/617315163875941

Cannot blame Pacquiao for that if he said those words in an interview because it's pretty much so rare that an Asian boxer particularly in Southeast Asia will rise and dominate the divisions he stepped into, and it's just too hard to deny the facts because Inoue is indeed a literal monster. Donaire and Casimero tried and did have a successful run, the latter is still active and it's still a mystery whether he can be a four-division world champion or three will be his limit.

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Meanwhile, according to a local source, Team Tapales is not happy with Naoya Inoue's offers. And just a few days ago, 3 division champion Johnreil Casimero started training again in his town. Casimero looked very heavy at the moment so hopefully, he continues his light training as he might be Inoue's next opponent late this year. It could be that Tapales is not happy with the money presented on the table but it is possible that both sides are bluffing at this early stage of their negotiations. Tapales if he won't face Inoue next might face a mandatory either from the WBA or the IBF. A rematch against former champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev for the WBA mandatory or IBF's mandatory Sam Goodan of Australia might be a high-risk low reward for Tapales should he not come to an agreement with Inoue.

I'm thinking that Casimero will have another fight before this year ends which is why he is starting his training regimen now, hopefully that's Nery so that his rank will improve. While for the undisputed discussion, Tapales camp is still taking a stand that they wanted a much bigger figure and that is so understandable because they deserved that.

Pacman is just being honest right there there is nothing wrong with it. Inoue is indeed rare. He earned his credentials in impressive ways. Became the world champion in his 6th fight, a 2-division champion in his 8th fight, undisputed at bantamweight, and a 4-division champion at 30 years old. He is very unique in his own way and Pacman had nothing but huge appreciation.

As for Casimero, it is really good that he gets a fight before the end of the year. He should fight with or without Inoue in order for him to stay sharp and disciplined.

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Quote from: ultrloa on August 10, 2023, 05:28:12 AM

That's what Casimero wan't and would provably grab the offer even if he can get less pay cut on their fight because he really want to get the head of Inoue. Even though he can possibly get less with that possible match up still he has a lot to gain because the same with Tapales if he could defeat Inoue in a match for sure he will get a huge boost on his career and might he will acquired back his reputation on boxing scene then can demand more higher pay cuts on his upcoming matches.

To be honest, I don't envision Tapales defeating Inoue. On the other hand, if Casimero were to fight Inoue, I believe it would be an intriguing matchup, possibly even more captivating than a unification fight. Admittedly, I still consider Inoue the superior boxer. However, given Casimero's firm dedication, I'm confident he wouldn't let the fight conclude without giving his absolute best. One of Casimero's greatest victories was his triumph over Tete, and I think it's time for him to secure another unexpected victory.

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With this news, it will open up an opportunity for Casimero to fight Inoue. I'm sure the former would be willing to negotiate, even if he gets a smaller share, as long as he can prove to the world that he could really beat Inoue. In the first place, Marlon Tapales wasn't in the conversation years back; it was always Casimero who

Hope this will be considered despite the fact that Casimero is currently not in the top rankings and might not even get a chance to be a contender right away for a championship belt. But maybe there's room for any chances and be considered, being him as a former champion in the 118 lbs. In the first place though, there is unfinished business between him and Inoue but the pandemic spoiled it. They can consider continuing that right now.

Don't mind the share of the pie and Casimero can just accept whatever the offer is as long as obviously, is not that totally a joke offer.

Legacy > Money for now on Casimero as the goal is to have him exchange fist with Inoue to now settle the scores. Referring to the Tapales camp, I can't comment much on the possible cancellation by them because the figures are not mentioned on how much share they will get on the pie. "No offense" but Tapales camp also knows that even as a champion, they also think that Inoue is too much for their guy and they like to demand more money instead of building a legacy. They didn't realize that more money will come to them if their guy will beat Inoue. Every boxer always wants to be in an unification fight.

I can agree that if Inoue's camp will give that shot to Casimero even in a much lesser shared offer, Casimero's camp will bite it,
an open opportunity will always give them a chance to have that taste of Inoue's power.

On the side of Tapales, maybe they know and feel that he's no match with Inoue, so making money is what they are aiming for
and not any legacy. He's in front when Inoue's snatch the belt from Fulton, and with any comparison, Inoue has a higher edge
against him.

That's what Casimero wan't and would provably grab the offer even if he can get less pay cut on their fight because he really want to get the head of Inoue. Even though he can possibly get less with that possible match up still he has a lot to gain because the same with Tapales if he could defeat Inoue in a match for sure he will get a huge boost on his career and might he will acquired back his reputation on boxing scene then can demand more higher pay cuts on his upcoming matches.

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I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

Yes, it's a business and if these talks already gaining hypes for sure, it will be not that much for team Inoue to provide whatever the demand of Tapales unless it's a next to never demands.

But if it's only for the share, the negotiation may proceed and they can offer and close a deal with Tapales
camp, for sure Tapales will need to consider things as even he's a current champ. There's always a challenge
better to take his shot against the monster. It will be more profitable even the chance is slim, but it's worth
enough to take.

the name of Tapales as compared to Inoue is lesser known to boxing fans. so it is understandable that even if Tapales is a champ, the purse will favour on inoue here. i don't think tapales's camp won't accept the offer, whatever it is, even the split will favour inoue. they would be glad to accept it as a lot are now chasing inoue to have a fight because his name is already a popular and a hit to boxing fans.

There are reports already that says that the Inoue camp offered something that the team of Tapales are rejecting. So obviously, it's less pay that they are expecting. Not sure what kind of purse split is offered or what kind the camp of Tapales is expecting.

But if could be that they wanted at least 50/50 or 60/40 split for their champion. And most likely, as per my speculation that perhaps Inoue is offering 70/30 or worst 80/30 split that's why the camp of Tapales won't accept that deal.

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I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

Yes, it's a business and if these talks already gaining hypes for sure, it will be not that much for team Inoue to provide whatever the demand of Tapales unless it's a next to never demands.

But if it's only for the share, the negotiation may proceed and they can offer and close a deal with Tapales
camp, for sure Tapales will need to consider things as even he's a current champ. There's always a challenge
better to take his shot against the monster. It will be more profitable even the chance is slim, but it's worth
enough to take.

the name of Tapales as compared to Inoue is lesser known to boxing fans. so it is understandable that even if Tapales is a champ, the purse will favour on inoue here. i don't think tapales's camp won't accept the offer, whatever it is, even the split will favour inoue. they would be glad to accept it as a lot are now chasing inoue to have a fight because his name is already a popular and a hit to boxing fans.

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I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

Yes, it's a business and if these talks already gaining hypes for sure, it will be not that much for team Inoue to provide whatever the demand of Tapales unless it's a next to never demands.

But if it's only for the share, the negotiation may proceed and they can offer and close a deal with Tapales
camp, for sure Tapales will need to consider things as even he's a current champ. There's always a challenge
better to take his shot against the monster. It will be more profitable even the chance is slim, but it's worth
enough to take.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 09, 2023, 11:04:34 AM

Let's await the development of this potential undisputed fight, as it has been reported that Tapales' camp is not satisfied with the offer from Inoue's camp regarding the revenue sharing. Tapales' camp argues that both fighters are champions, so they likely expect a more equal split, possibly around 50/50 or even no less than 45/55, despite Inoue being the more popular boxer.

Even though Tapales is also a champion, we can't disregard the fact that it's Naoya Inoue as the big reason why the fight will be sold out. More people will watch the fight to witness Inoue being the undisputed champion and not because it's Tapales fighting in the ring. It's impossible for Inoue's camp to accept a 50/50 deal. A 60/40 deal seems reasonable to me and Tapales camp should accept that.

I'm curious about what the exact split is being offered to Tapales camp. Maybe it's 70/30 where that kind of share is only supposed to be applied to a challenger with no hold title. 60/40 should be enough in regards to Inoue's popularity and giving a fair approach to Tapales as his fellow champion in the Super Bantamweight.

While these camps are not finalizing yet a deal, Casimero's camp on the other hand should now be aggressive in negotiating another fight to boost the ranking. Time is running for him and if we see his performance on his last fight, not that appealing and he can't show that kind of fighting style against Inoue if they will face each other.

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@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

I thought Pacman is only willing to help if in case Inoue will move up to other divisions again? Anyways, Pacman once again was caught in another ambush interview during the Crawford-Spence event, the legend mentioned Crawford as the new #1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world replacing Inoue but he also said that Inoue remains his favorite guy. https://www.facebook.com/IFLTV/videos/617315163875941

Cannot blame Pacquiao for that if he said those words in an interview because it's pretty much so rare that an Asian boxer particularly in Southeast Asia will rise and dominate the divisions he stepped into, and it's just too hard to deny the facts because Inoue is indeed a literal monster. Donaire and Casimero tried and did have a successful run, the latter is still active and it's still a mystery whether he can be a four-division world champion or three will be his limit.

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Meanwhile, according to a local source, Team Tapales is not happy with Naoya Inoue's offers. And just a few days ago, 3 division champion Johnreil Casimero started training again in his town. Casimero looked very heavy at the moment so hopefully, he continues his light training as he might be Inoue's next opponent late this year. It could be that Tapales is not happy with the money presented on the table but it is possible that both sides are bluffing at this early stage of their negotiations. Tapales if he won't face Inoue next might face a mandatory either from the WBA or the IBF. A rematch against former champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev for the WBA mandatory or IBF's mandatory Sam Goodan of Australia might be a high-risk low reward for Tapales should he not come to an agreement with Inoue.

I'm thinking that Casimero will have another fight before this year ends which is why he is starting his training regimen now, hopefully that's Nery so that his rank will improve. While for the undisputed discussion, Tapales camp is still taking a stand that they wanted a much bigger figure and that is so understandable because they deserved that.

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I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

Let's await the development of this potential undisputed fight, as it has been reported that Tapales' camp is not satisfied with the offer from Inoue's camp regarding the revenue sharing. Tapales' camp argues that both fighters are champions, so they likely expect a more equal split, possibly around 50/50 or even no less than 45/55, despite Inoue being the more popular boxer.

If Inoue intends to continue making history, he must ensure the fight takes place. Given that the issue revolves around revenue sharing, it's probable that Inoue's camp will need to reopen negotiations if Tapales' camp remains firm in their demands.

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 09, 2023, 01:37:34 AM

I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

This is big achievement for Inoue if he defeat Tapales so provably we can see this to happen and delays might not be the main concern since for sure both camps would agree on the conditions because both of them want to make this fight happen. There match is now gaining hype so most provably their promoters will make this one happen since this is big business and might this could generate them more bigger revenues.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 09, 2023, 12:46:49 AM

@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

I thought Pacman is only willing to help if in case Inoue will move up to other divisions again? Anyways, Pacman once again was caught in another ambush interview during the Crawford-Spence event, the legend mentioned Crawford as the new #1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world replacing Inoue but he also said that Inoue remains his favorite guy. https://www.facebook.com/IFLTV/videos/617315163875941

Meanwhile, according to a local source, Team Tapales is not happy with Naoya Inoue's offers. And just a few days ago, 3 division champion Johnreil Casimero started training again in his town. Casimero looked very heavy at the moment so hopefully, he continues his light training as he might be Inoue's next opponent late this year. It could be that Tapales is not happy with the money presented on the table but it is possible that both sides are bluffing at this early stage of their negotiations. Tapales if he won't face Inoue next might face a mandatory either from the WBA or the IBF. A rematch against former champion Morudjon Akhmadaliev for the WBA mandatory or IBF's mandatory Sam Goodan of Australia might be a high-risk low reward for Tapales should he not come to an agreement with Inoue.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 05, 2023, 11:04:10 AM

That will be a mystery for now because that is quite too far from the situation they currently have. Step by step, we will get to that discussion because for now, Naoya Inoue is still a 2-belt champion and just had his first bout in super-bantamweight. In the upcoming months, we might see some improvement while Inoue and Tapales's camp are discussing about the upcoming undisputed fight, hopefully they can agree on it and make another fight before this year ends so that Inoue's timetable will be much more manageable.

This was tough situation for now,because the fight between two high champion.Naoya had himself two belt and the old experienced with huge techniques.The Tapales also the good player with more arm power and the fight between this two players was end with the distribute most of the time.In the past both player had an undistributed fight.When the fight was between this two player was most expected in this year.Since the fight was on the November month,so many matches will started soon.Inoue had huge play before this year ends.

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I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

Yes, that's Inoue goal at 122 lbs, to unify the belts just like what he did in 118 lbs. And I think Tapales is not afraid to fight him. But the camp of Inoue should be fair enough to give Marlon and his team what they deserves as he is only a 2 belt champion.

So we will see, maybe the initial surge of public media will favor Tapales more as they are vocal that they don't like what the team of Inoue is offering. And maybe if it really broken down then we all have to blame Inoue and his team for this fight not happening.

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 09, 2023, 01:37:34 AM

I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

I doubt that the camp of Inoue will allow that scenario (mandatory fights) since their guy is very vocal that he wants to be a unified champion of this division and the hurdle is not that big, I mean they can pay Team Tapales whatever figure it is just to make this fight happen. This is just a matter of negotiations and i'm optimistic that this unification will push through.

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With this news, it will open up an opportunity for Casimero to fight Inoue. I'm sure the former would be willing to negotiate, even if he gets a smaller share, as long as he can prove to the world that he could really beat Inoue. In the first place, Marlon Tapales wasn't in the conversation years back; it was always Casimero who

Hope this will be considered despite the fact that Casimero is currently not in the top rankings and might not even get a chance to be a contender right away for a championship belt. But maybe there's room for any chances and be considered, being him as a former champion in the 118 lbs. In the first place though, there is unfinished business between him and Inoue but the pandemic spoiled it. They can consider continuing that right now.

Don't mind the share of the pie and Casimero can just accept whatever the offer is as long as obviously, is not that totally a joke offer.

Legacy > Money for now on Casimero as the goal is to have him exchange fist with Inoue to now settle the scores. Referring to the Tapales camp, I can't comment much on the possible cancellation by them because the figures are not mentioned on how much share they will get on the pie. "No offense" but Tapales camp also knows that even as a champion, they also think that Inoue is too much for their guy and they like to demand more money instead of building a legacy. They didn't realize that more money will come to them if their guy will beat Inoue. Every boxer always wants to be in an unification fight.

It seems to me that the Tapales camp are not taking their chances away that is why they are trying to ask for a much higher figures compared to what was originally proposed to them before they proceed to the undisputed discussion. They probably know that Tapales doesn't have much chances that is why they are playing the cards that is dealt on their hand while Inoue is still trying to unify all four belts and without Tapales, that goal will not be fulfilled.

Meanwhile for Casimero, he does have more chances to be ordered as the mandatory challenger for the WBO belt instead of Luis Nery because the latter doesn't have any titles with him while Casimero got the WBO Global title. Since super bantam doesn't have any interim champions, that means that Casimero will soon be lifted to be a challenger.

If Casimero's fate will go that way, then the chance of testing what Inoue got will be for real now, though there's no update yet
if what will going to happen with Tapales negotiation.

But if in case Inoue's camp will not agree to what Tapales is asking, maybe taking a challenger fight will
be the best option to make more money. Inoue's camp doesn't need to seek for long as Casimero is already
knocking his way. If money is way, important I think dealing with Casimero can bring it out.

I believe too that it will be the case if ever the undisputed discussion between Tapales and Inoue will be prolonged or will be dragged for quite a couple of months before they can make a deal. Now if that happens, sanctioning bodies might be inclined to give both of them a mandatory title defense fight so that they won't be holding those belts for no reasons and of course so that these bodies will have their cut and make their pocket fat, you know, business as usual.

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@Lanatsa. Pacman is not being a traitor against his own countrymen. In the ambush interview, what Pacman told the interviewer was he wanted to help Inoue and teach him his secrets on how he carried his strength, speed, power and stamina when he has fighting in higher weight divisions. He wants everyone to witness someone greater than him in boxing, I reckon.

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Quote from: dothebeats on August 08, 2023, 06:53:16 PM

Quote from: coin-investor on August 06, 2023, 06:45:39 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on August 06, 2023, 05:35:23 PM

Inoue is like a completionist in a video game: taking up every possible achievement there is before moving on to the next. I'm sure his camp would also want that to happen, and to also prepare him for the next weight up. Sort of like defeating the last boss on every floor before moving on to the next level. They wouldn't want their champion to experience defeat by not being prepared for the said weight class, so they'd farm a lot of experience and study their opponents before taking the fight head on.

Because he can beat everybody in divisions where he can manage his power and speed and as long as he can carry that speed and power he is dangerous, he has a blinding speed like Pacquiao, in boxing speed and power is everything, Pacquiao has done it carrying both in the higher weight category, Inoue can conquer territories if his body mass is built properly that could hamper his speed, sometimes I am in awed how Pacquiao manage to build his body mass perfectly while maintaining his speed and power.
Inoue has someone to look up to when continuously moving from upper weight and that is Manny Pacquiao.

True. If there's someone he can take notes from, it's. from the 8-division world champion himself. Manny managed to carry that punching power, speed, and weight until his 40s, and even at that age he's still someone who's someone to be feared at - and rightfully so. His fight with Ugas showed him in a slower state, although when compared to other boxers at their prime, it's still something that is way above them. I'm sure Inoue can reach out to Manny's camp for notes, or some form of mentorship if the Japanese's camp really wants to conquer every weight division that Inoue can physically climb to.

The only thing i do boggling down is why Manny Pacquiao is much more supportive or giving out some ideas to Inoue when it comes to jabs and techniques just like on that one media interview as far as i remember

and not really that going or really that mindful about some other Pinoy boxers like Donaire or others but rather he is really that interested with Inoue. Well, i couldnt blame him though considering about the potential of Inoue on dominating different divisions is really that high basing up with the power and speed and intelligence when it comes or inside the boxing right then it do really shows up that high probability.For Inoue trying out climb up on that 8 division or even more then he would really be needing to directly get those fights to those people who are holding the belt and now if he had plans on unifying those belts on the new division that he's in then its not really that a bad thing considering that it would really be done on the same year. It would really be just that a short time for him to make some training though but basing
up on how he had dominated out Fulton then i do assume out that he could handle out Tapales as well.

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 06, 2023, 06:45:39 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on August 06, 2023, 05:35:23 PM

Inoue is like a completionist in a video game: taking up every possible achievement there is before moving on to the next. I'm sure his camp would also want that to happen, and to also prepare him for the next weight up. Sort of like defeating the last boss on every floor before moving on to the next level. They wouldn't want their champion to experience defeat by not being prepared for the said weight class, so they'd farm a lot of experience and study their opponents before taking the fight head on.

Because he can beat everybody in divisions where he can manage his power and speed and as long as he can carry that speed and power he is dangerous, he has a blinding speed like Pacquiao, in boxing speed and power is everything, Pacquiao has done it carrying both in the higher weight category, Inoue can conquer territories if his body mass is built properly that could hamper his speed, sometimes I am in awed how Pacquiao manage to build his body mass perfectly while maintaining his speed and power.
Inoue has someone to look up to when continuously moving from upper weight and that is Manny Pacquiao.

True. If there's someone he can take notes from, it's. from the 8-division world champion himself. Manny managed to carry that punching power, speed, and weight until his 40s, and even at that age he's still someone who's someone to be feared at - and rightfully so. His fight with Ugas showed him in a slower state, although when compared to other boxers at their prime, it's still something that is way above them. I'm sure Inoue can reach out to Manny's camp for notes, or some form of mentorship if the Japanese's camp really wants to conquer every weight division that Inoue can physically climb to.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 07, 2023, 01:08:10 PM

Quote from: harizen on August 06, 2023, 06:59:08 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 05, 2023, 02:32:37 AM

With this news, it will open up an opportunity for Casimero to fight Inoue. I'm sure the former would be willing to negotiate, even if he gets a smaller share, as long as he can prove to the world that he could really beat Inoue. In the first place, Marlon Tapales wasn't in the conversation years back; it was always Casimero who

Hope this will be considered despite the fact that Casimero is currently not in the top rankings and might not even get a chance to be a contender right away for a championship belt. But maybe there's room for any chances and be considered, being him as a former champion in the 118 lbs. In the first place though, there is unfinished business between him and Inoue but the pandemic spoiled it. They can consider continuing that right now.

Don't mind the share of the pie and Casimero can just accept whatever the offer is as long as obviously, is not that totally a joke offer.

Legacy > Money for now on Casimero as the goal is to have him exchange fist with Inoue to now settle the scores. Referring to the Tapales camp, I can't comment much on the possible cancellation by them because the figures are not mentioned on how much share they will get on the pie. "No offense" but Tapales camp also knows that even as a champion, they also think that Inoue is too much for their guy and they like to demand more money instead of building a legacy. They didn't realize that more money will come to them if their guy will beat Inoue. Every boxer always wants to be in an unification fight.

It seems to me that the Tapales camp are not taking their chances away that is why they are trying to ask for a much higher figures compared to what was originally proposed to them before they proceed to the undisputed discussion. They probably know that Tapales doesn't have much chances that is why they are playing the cards that is dealt on their hand while Inoue is still trying to unify all four belts and without Tapales, that goal will not be fulfilled.

Meanwhile for Casimero, he does have more chances to be ordered as the mandatory challenger for the WBO belt instead of Luis Nery because the latter doesn't have any titles with him while Casimero got the WBO Global title. Since super bantam doesn't have any interim champions, that means that Casimero will soon be lifted to be a challenger.

If Casimero's fate will go that way, then the chance of testing what Inoue got will be for real now, though there's no update yet
if what will going to happen with Tapales negotiation.

But if in case Inoue's camp will not agree to what Tapales is asking, maybe taking a challenger fight will
be the best option to make more money. Inoue's camp doesn't need to seek for long as Casimero is already
knocking his way. If money is way, important I think dealing with Casimero can bring it out.

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