Topic: [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 10. (Read 16010 times)

Because it is the hardest thing in boxing, the adjustment of weight either above or below your usual weight and still maintain a good body condition is not that easy though. Many struggles on that phase just to make a fight.

I agree that in boxing it's normal to lose.

But if we talk about Inoue, if he loses to Paul Butler, that wasn't normal lol but I will give a big recognition to Butler for making that successful win. On the other hand, if Butler loses, that's not really a thing that most boxing fans will be surprised as that was expected even before the preparation of this match.


Since Inoue is always in 100% health status and a disciplined boxer, I'm sure adjusting to 122 from 118 won't be a big problem and he can adjust easily to it. Not unless he will have the same health status as Casimero that struggles to catch the 118lbs at the target date although not unlikely to happen for Inoue.

The value will recover if that specific boxer will defeat a much more dominating boxer or defeat him in his own division but that won't come easy because that same boxer will have to be patient first before he can reach that stage where he can redeem his value or much higher than that. Also, it is every boxer's dream is to maintain their undefeated status while also cement their legacy and there's just few boxers who did that until they retire.
As for this one, Inoue will have to risk his record in-order to gain because he won't be growing if he will always stay in his comfortable division.

Well it depends on the boxer, for example, Manny Pacquiao has no trouble going up in weight division.  In fact he there are several incidents that Manny have problem maintaining his weight which resuled to his first two losses.  It wouldn't be easy if the boxer tried to move to a heavier division that is not his natural weight.  And with Inoue if he has problem meeting the required weight in his current division, I do not think that he will have difficulty in moving up and getting that division's title.


I agree that the value of a boxer will diminish if he losses but I believe the boxer's popularity can easily recover if he beats a more dominating boxer.  After all, it is normal in boxing to lose, there are only 1 guy that retried with an unblemished record.  Again regarding on staying on the division, it is still depending on the situation of the boxer.  For example, Inoue is dominating his weight division but later he has problem meeting the required maximum weight, so he has to move up in order to maintain a 100% condition during the fight.

Money will always follow as long as Inoue can maintain his record and strength to keep the people on following him, for now, it's best for Inoue to slow down first because that is more safer. Arum knows what to do, he cannot let Inoue go directly to the champions even if the money is good because it is risky, what will that money do if in case Inoue will be defeated as surely his worth will decrease after that.

I agree that fighting the nearest title contenders is a good idea so that Inoue can get used to the division and to see if he's ready or not, not an easy fight before the champions because the challengers are also tough but he can do it.

If the chased is for both the title and the money Arum may consider challenging the current title holder, but it will be a risk
to his milking cow, as both champs are ready and willing to take that challenge.

Possible that Arum will go that way, taking top 5 contender first to check if Inoue
is ready to move up in this division before making his way for the title fight, from
that he may see if he is ready or if he still needed time to adopt on this new division.

If the current champion is weak then it is expected that the title contenders will be chasing him, but that is not the case this time because just like what you have said, Fulton is not weak and neither Murodjon as well. The hype will always be there I bet until such time that Inoue will be freed to face either one of the two champions in the super bantam.

For now, Inoue might face one of the top 5 contenders in the said division. I'm not gonna assume that Arum will be picking such easy foes for Inoue because that won't get Inoue battle ready and get used to the weight. So, again, it might be on of the top 5 contenders.

Just finished watching Inoue vs Moloney fight, Inoue is really something, his hands are that fast and has power and the timing as well. Although Moloney did hit him with some good shots, still Inoue was not affected. So not sure how long will Butler last if he taste Inoue's power.

I'm thinking that this fight will not really last, initially I thought that Butler is tough and might stay at least 6 rounds.

But now I have doubts about it, maybe under 7.5 rounds.

There has been no doubt about Inoue's prowess, speed and reaction towards his opponent, the monster is expected to evolve with the experience he gains from every fight he had. Even if you ask the so-called experts or even Bob Arum, they will all say the same thing that the current Inoue is in-fact already battle ready for the champions in the super-bantam. But Bob Arum has a job to do and that is to keep Inoue much safer, Inoue should be first get used in the weight as there is also no need for him to be in a hurry.

Well here the probabilities speak for themselves, it is obvious that here the advantage is only the one we all know, our Japanese Inoue, and the bets will be very much in his favor, so the profits for the bettors will not be much unless they are quite high, but be careful, we are assuming almost 100% that Inoue will win, we are not considering in the least that Butler can give a surprise, in part I know that it is very difficult for Butler to give a surprise, but that is and must be contemplate the possibility, I have always thought that we can give faith that we will do something and that is to be sure, and in a boxing fight (and in soccer cases) one should not trust so much.

In that you are right, what happens is that many things happen in boxing that people ignore, also the most important thing to highlight here is that the organizers always take something into account, what can be spent and the return on investment, It is something that they do not say but that is present, some of the fights that do not happen many times are for the same organization, like what perhaps happened between Crawford and Spence, or because of what Bivol does not want with Canelo, they are things that they have It has to do a lot with the organization and the money, the demand and above all what will be spent and if it is actually profitable or not, the boxing industry takes all this into account.

Inoue has a chance to face other champion as we all know his skills and knowledge about in boxing game and also his speed and strategies is recommendable to fight against another champion he is unstoppable right now I believe on inoue to hold another title for sure he can win and hold it  and for sure bob arum will give him a good fight and if he win then another title to b hold just in my opinion.

True! There's a lot of things that a promoter will consider before they make a fight and some of that are the things that we might not know, they are there for a reason and not just acting as a manager to gain money for doing nothing. And certainly not all strong boxer or who would like to fight them will be given a chance, that's not how it works.

Even Bob Arum himself started from scratch and had some struggles before he managed to work his way up to where he is now. That's why there's a lot of boxers who wanted to be under him because Bob Arum can put you in the map with just few fights, and of course, if you have the skills as well.

Before organizing a fight, it's not just the works of the promoter. It also includes the boxing organization. Lots of things to work on before a successful deal. These promoters are also spending big money to organize a fight therefore, they really need to make sure that both boxers have that big hype.

It's not just boxers under Bob Arum who are gaining the benefits but also the opponent.

Quite a good number of boxers already experienced being in the top stage because of Top Rank Promotions.

There are still many people around the world did not know yet about this kind of game by Arum and some boxers so for sure what ever arum did to his boxers then a lot of people will be happy and want to watch in.  But for me it's so unfair because there are many boxer out there who are strong enough to fight against Arum's boxer but what we said that arums plays his own cards so he has a decisions in every game or fight.

Let's face the fact that while Arum is playing his cards, boxers under him are getting a big break while enjoying a high contract.

Arum has the ability to form a big fight that's why to those people who hate him, just take it or leave it.

After all, it's not that he always makes sure that his cash cow is safe. There are lots of popular boxers under him wherein able to form big fights. Sometimes annoying to others but let's face the reality that boxing can't just be pure legacy.

We should step aside politics here if Inoue won't face the super bantamweight champions right away once he moved up. It's just makes sense to not expect Inoue goes directly against the champions because after all, he is new in that division even though it's just a small leap. Testing the waters is just a usual way for someone who just moved up so don't blame Arum if that will happen right away.

Inoue just has to continue his winnings and soon, he will now finally have a chance to face those champions.

You got some point but I still think that these current fighters in the super-bantamweight are just hiding behind the word interest and excited to face Inoue to divert the people's attention. But I won't be biting that diversion because there's that feeling deep inside that they are somehow worried because there's a heavy challenger that will face them soon.

True, Bob Arum will see to it that Inoue will be fully prepared before he lets him face the lions in this division. It's better to be safe than sorry because Inoue is a good cow to milk, Bob cannot afford to lose him.

Inoue sees the opportunity to be more popular under top rank, so he decided to join him, however, if he will be more ambitious and he will become more popular already, then most likely he will also not gonna resign just like the boxers that left the camp of Bob Arum. For now, it's still too early, Inoue is still enjoying his stay with the top rank, so let's not talk about it yet.

Arum will continue to play with his cards, as long as Inoue is willing to sign his contract and Inoue is contented with the amount
he receiving from Arum, the business will continue.

They will continue to pick fights that will bring Inoue to more hype. It's Arum's job
to make sure that the money will continue to flow. Nothing new, it's a business and
he will keep his advantages to get more money out.

Arum is a genius, so yeah for sure he won't let that happen unless the champion is weak, but Fulton is no pushover. So I'm expecting Arum to just pick someone that can easily be beaten by Inoue by knockout or by another impressive win.

And maybe, when the hype is still there, he will allow Inoue to face either champion.

But then again, boxing politics might be the biggest stumbling back again.