[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 5.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 10, 2022, 05:27:12 AM

The odds is emphasizing that Inoue can really win via KO, just look at the odds of Inoue winning by a decision, it is 11x the bet. Paul Butler winning by decision is tempting Grin

. 60x our wagering amount. So betting with the same amount on Butler by decision and Inoue by decision, which one win will cover both bets with profit. I think if Butler's strategy works out, it is good to bet on a decision for both boxers. since Butler's main aim is not to KO Inoue but to last the entire fight and win via decision.

As expected the odds for Inoue to win via knockout is very low. I wonder if anyone will bet on this considering the profit you would possibly get. It might only work if you bet huge like whales do. On the other side, if Butler miraculously won by decision that's a good deal for fans who counted on him. But that's really risky and totally gambling. Anyway, only 2 days left before this fight I am more interested on what preparation Butler did to survive the rounds.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2022, 03:41:52 AM

So the other betting option are comes up.

I'm surprised with the winning method odds for Inoue via KO since it's really small, there's no way anyone want to bet that. The winner & round range seems to be more interesting, based on the odds many people expect Inoue will beat Butler in the early round since the odds is only 1.48x. It's worth if you want to bet with huge amount, but I will take a risk to bet Inoue & 4-6 because I think Butler will have a preparation to survive against Inoue, although it won't last long.

Wonderful options but what do others mostly take here?

As expected, Inoue winning in rounds 1 to 3 does have low odds because the chances that Inoue will really win in those rounds are high.

Maybe a good one betting on Inoue winning Round 4-6.

No way this fight will reach in Decision in Favor of Inoue.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 09, 2022, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.

Not true at some point. It depends on who the boxer is involved.

We should know and be able to generalize boxers who just trash talk without a sense.

I did a quick search on Google search but found nothing related to trash talk on this fight. Whether from Butler or Inoue, I can't see news or article that they did some trash talk. What I see is the interview of Ring TV on Butler and I don't even consider that as trash talk.

Maybe I miss that trash talk? Can anyone lead me to a link about that?

Yes, I certainly won't agree that boxers will resort on trash talk if they already know the likely of the fight or if they will be have a fight that is much more stronger and agile than he is. Boxers already know that there's always that person who will be above them but they aren't discouraged by that fact and still chose to fight to know what will be the outcome. As for Butler, he likely know what will be the result but the fact that he is silent all this time means that he is indeed preparing for this upcoming fight.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 10, 2022, 03:41:52 AM

So the other betting option are comes up.

I'm surprised with the winning method odds for Inoue via KO since it's really small, there's no way anyone want to bet that. The winner & round range seems to be more interesting, based on the odds many people expect Inoue will beat Butler in the early round since the odds is only 1.48x. It's worth if you want to bet with huge amount, but I will take a risk to bet Inoue & 4-6 because I think Butler will have a preparation to survive against Inoue, although it won't last long.

The odds is emphasizing that Inoue can really win via KO, just look at the odds of Inoue winning by a decision, it is 11x the bet. Paul Butler winning by decision is tempting Grin

. 60x our wagering amount. So betting with the same amount on Butler by decision and Inoue by decision, which one win will cover both bets with profit. I think if Butler's strategy works out, it is good to bet on a decision for both boxers. since Butler's main aim is not to KO Inoue but to last the entire fight and win via decision.

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So the other betting option are comes up.

I'm surprised with the winning method odds for Inoue via KO since it's really small, there's no way anyone want to bet that. The winner & round range seems to be more interesting, based on the odds many people expect Inoue will beat Butler in the early round since the odds is only 1.48x. It's worth if you want to bet with huge amount, but I will take a risk to bet Inoue & 4-6 because I think Butler will have a preparation to survive against Inoue, although it won't last long.

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Quote from: Botnake on December 10, 2022, 12:47:35 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on December 09, 2022, 05:40:58 PM

There are really just people who do make up some talks whether its scripted or intended or really that natural on them.For mayweather then you can hate him with those
shit talks but he could really be able to justify out and you cant really be able to hate him much because he's still undefeated.

Mayweather is just different, or should I say an exemption because he is very good as a boxer? He retires once, comeback and finally retired as undefeated. And now, he is still making huge money with his exhibition fights, I would say that he is really good at marketing, he understands well that boxing is just business, so he played his game well.

Yes, he is a great boxer and a great promoter. He started with a promoter, later on in his career, he left his promoter to start his own, and now he is already promoting fights with his Mayweather promotion company. That's the best vision a boxer should see for their future, even after boxing, they still have someone that would give them money, I think Manny Pacquiao could do that with his millions of dollars accumulated in boxing.

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As I expected, Paul Butler will be using Donaire's strategy during Donaire's first match against Inoue. I watched from one of the YT channels I am following that Butler is taking the example of the Donaire vs Inoue fight on how to beat Inoue. Butler said that Inoue's most dificult fight is during Inoue's 1st match against Donaire so Butler said that he will do the same strategy in order to make the fight difficult for Inoue and if possible to win the fight. The video stated that Butler say that if he survived the fight he might possibly win via decision following Donaire's strategy (1st match against Inoue) The video also stated that Butler will try to test the waters ( Inoue's punch) during the early round and see if he can absorb it without any problem.

I just hope Butler will not get KO'ed when he tests Inoue's strength in the early round. Though this revelation of Butler mimicking Donaire's strategy is interesting.

The video is in Filipino and the subtitle is disabled but for the sake of reference here is the link to the said video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQnoJatJdk

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Quote from: Lanatsa on December 09, 2022, 05:40:58 PM

There are really just people who do make up some talks whether its scripted or intended or really that natural on them.For mayweather then you can hate him with those
shit talks but he could really be able to justify out and you cant really be able to hate him much because he's still undefeated.

Mayweather is just different, or should I say an exemption because he is very good as a boxer? He retires once, comeback and finally retired as undefeated. And now, he is still making huge money with his exhibition fights, I would say that he is really good at marketing, he understands well that boxing is just business, so he played his game well.

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Quote from: Shamm on December 09, 2022, 04:14:55 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on December 09, 2022, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.
Some other trash talks are deliberate, to gain media attention and sell the fight, but in this case, I don't think it needs to sell as Inoue is now a rising boxing superstar that everyone loves to see.

That's not true, I know a good trash talker but a very good boxer. I'm sure you know Mayweather, he loves to trash-talk his opponent but he retires as an undefeated boxer. In the case of Butler, it's sure different because his record or achievement in boxing is not at par on Inoue's achievement, so he makes himself looks like a clown.

Yes agree with this It's all different against the trash talk of may weather and butler as we all know the pretty boy mayweather still undefeated even though he is now retired but in case of butler he is look like a funny clown for sure in the end of this match it's look like a " trashtalk now funny clown later" because we all know the capability of inoue in the ring he is a monster inside the ring that can knock his opponent out by a strong punch.

A totally embarrassing moment if you do trashtalk hard and ends up on being a clown later on when your opponent had beaten up you hard.It would really be that laughable and boxing fans
would definitely be that having those common sayings that trashtalks is never been good.

There are really just people who do make up some talks whether its scripted or intended or really that natural on them.For mayweather then you can hate him with those
shit talks but he could really be able to justify out and you cant really be able to hate him much because he's still undefeated.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 09, 2022, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.

Not true at some point. It depends on who the boxer is involved.

True, if it involves Casimero for sure trash talking is every where.

Quote from: chaser15 on December 09, 2022, 05:25:50 PM

We should know and be able to generalize boxers who just trash talk without a sense.

Even without a sense, trash talking is one way of the boxers to promote their fight. It is also made interesting if the trash talking one is getting KO'ed at the very first round. Trash talking gives fans of the opponent to get mad or emotionally attached to the game. That is why when trash talking failed, lots of viewers and fans rejoices and the fulfillment watching their favorite boxer beat the trash talking opponent goes up to next level.

Quote from: chaser15 on December 09, 2022, 05:25:50 PM

I did a quick search on Google search but found nothing related to trash talk on this fight. Whether from Butler or Inoue, I can't see news or article that they did some trash talk. What I see is the interview of Ring TV on Butler and I don't even consider that as trash talk.

Maybe I miss that trash talk? Can anyone lead me to a link about that?

No, I think that both camp is quiet. I also search for any trashtalk done by either camp and I have seen nothing.

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Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.

Not true at some point. It depends on who the boxer is involved.

We should know and be able to generalize boxers who just trash talk without a sense.

I did a quick search on Google search but found nothing related to trash talk on this fight. Whether from Butler or Inoue, I can't see news or article that they did some trash talk. What I see is the interview of Ring TV on Butler and I don't even consider that as trash talk.

Maybe I miss that trash talk? Can anyone lead me to a link about that?

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 09, 2022, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.
Some other trash talks are deliberate, to gain media attention and sell the fight, but in this case, I don't think it needs to sell as Inoue is now a rising boxing superstar that everyone loves to see.

That's not true, I know a good trash talker but a very good boxer. I'm sure you know Mayweather, he loves to trash-talk his opponent but he retires as an undefeated boxer. In the case of Butler, it's sure different because his record or achievement in boxing is not at par on Inoue's achievement, so he makes himself looks like a clown.

Mayweather is very confident in trash-talking because he is 100% sure he will win the fight Grin

. He had it all sorted out before the bell rings so when the fight doesn't end in a KO, he is sure he will win via decision. All he needs to do is to survive the fight if he can't KO the opponent and its a sure win.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 09, 2022, 06:49:43 AM

In any case for this fight, Butler need not to trash talk in my opinion. He just need to bring his A game and show respect, but it doesn't mean that he is afraid of Inoue. Just maybe to motivate himself in this fight.

Just bring everything and try to defend the title that he is holding right now, no need to do the trash as fans are aiming to see Inoue inside the ring, they expecting a lot from him and looking forward not to be disappointed.

Ticket sales can be carried by Inoue, no offense with Butler's fans, but the majority are looking forward
for Inoue to win these fights, upset will be a surprising outcome if things favored Butler's side.

An upset is highly unlikely but unexpected things happen so we can't factor out the possibility of Butler winnings. With all these certainties and the confidence of viewers and spectators that Inoue will win the fight, my otherside wanted to see a different result which is the not expected by the majority of the member here. I wonder what would be our reactions if Inoue got KO'ed in the first round Grin

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Naoya Inoue always find a way to shut his opponents permanently after throwing some rubbish talks, and if Paul Butler here is indeed trying to talk his way to the spotlight, surely that won't help him. That shouldn't be his priority for now because he's going to be a living laughing stock as people definitely know the real score and that Butler's chance is very slim.

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Quote from: Pamadar on December 09, 2022, 09:01:02 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on December 09, 2022, 06:49:43 AM

In any case for this fight, Butler need not to trash talk in my opinion. He just need to bring his A game and show respect, but it doesn't mean that he is afraid of Inoue. Just maybe to motivate himself in this fight.

Just bring everything and try to defend the title that he is holding right now, no need to do the trash as fans are aiming to see Inoue inside the ring, they expecting a lot from him and looking forward not to be disappointed.

Ticket sales can be carried by Inoue, no offense with Butler's fans, but the majority are looking forward
for Inoue to win these fights, upset will be a surprising outcome if things favored Butler's side.

That is reality, we are all know who is the most favorite in this fight no other than the monster inoue can make the crowd full of excitement and aiming a good fight and we know that this is a good fight but in this fight for me inoue will win. But he must not over confident that he will win because as we all know that butler do his best to win against inoue so, inoue must take it hard and not too easy.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 09, 2022, 06:49:43 AM

In any case for this fight, Butler need not to trash talk in my opinion. He just need to bring his A game and show respect, but it doesn't mean that he is afraid of Inoue. Just maybe to motivate himself in this fight.

Just bring everything and try to defend the title that he is holding right now, no need to do the trash as fans are aiming to see Inoue inside the ring, they expecting a lot from him and looking forward not to be disappointed.

Ticket sales can be carried by Inoue, no offense with Butler's fans, but the majority are looking forward
for Inoue to win these fights, upset will be a surprising outcome if things favored Butler's side.

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Yes, we might consider trash talking as part of boxing already, we have heard Floyd do that talking because he can back up, but with the likes of lets say Broner, when he really didn't put any stop when he bad mouth Maidana and then totally lost the fight, Lol, that is the classic trash talking gone bad.

In any case for this fight, Butler need not to trash talk in my opinion. He just need to bring his A game and show respect, but it doesn't mean that he is afraid of Inoue. Just maybe to motivate himself in this fight.

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Quote from: arwin100 on December 09, 2022, 06:41:47 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.
Some other trash talks are deliberate, to gain media attention and sell the fight, but in this case, I don't think it needs to sell as Inoue is now a rising boxing superstar that everyone loves to see.

They are not afraid with their opponents but rather they are trying to distract their opponent and make them angry so that he can destroy the tactics what his opponent prepared for their matches. Also no boxers is afraid of anyone because this is their job for sure they love to face more stronger opponent since this could increase their value as a fighter.

Also trash talk is used for marketing because fans love to see both of the fighter heating up especially when they meet outside of the ring media attention is everything so that they can get huge revenue so expect that this is used by many for them especially the promoters to get good revenue on their matches.

Exactly, and fighters knows that this is just part of how they are going to market the fight. But perhaps there are boxers who go to the next level and destroy their opponents in trash talking, like below the hit, like involving your families, which for me doesn't merit a trash talk. If you are going to bad mouth a boxer, just the fighter himself, not his wife, his son or mother.

And then after the fight, they just respect each other and hug and try to apologize and the other side admitting his defeat.

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Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.
Some other trash talks are deliberate, to gain media attention and sell the fight, but in this case, I don't think it needs to sell as Inoue is now a rising boxing superstar that everyone loves to see.

They are not afraid with their opponents but rather they are trying to distract their opponent and make them angry so that he can destroy the tactics what his opponent prepared for their matches. Also no boxers is afraid of anyone because this is their job for sure they love to face more stronger opponent since this could increase their value as a fighter.

Also trash talk is used for marketing because fans love to see both of the fighter heating up especially when they meet outside of the ring media attention is everything so that they can get huge revenue so expect that this is used by many for them especially the promoters to get good revenue on their matches.

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 09, 2022, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.
Some other trash talks are deliberate, to gain media attention and sell the fight, but in this case, I don't think it needs to sell as Inoue is now a rising boxing superstar that everyone loves to see.

That's not true, I know a good trash talker but a very good boxer. I'm sure you know Mayweather, he loves to trash-talk his opponent but he retires as an undefeated boxer. In the case of Butler, it's sure different because his record or achievement in boxing is not at par on Inoue's achievement, so he makes himself looks like a clown.

Yes agree with this It's all different against the trash talk of may weather and butler as we all know the pretty boy mayweather still undefeated even though he is now retired but in case of butler he is look like a funny clown for sure in the end of this match it's look like a " trashtalk now funny clown later" because we all know the capability of inoue in the ring he is a monster inside the ring that can knock his opponent out by a strong punch.

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Quote from: Oasisman on December 09, 2022, 03:45:15 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 08, 2022, 04:26:59 PM

We've seen those talkers in Inoues past opponents but it turns out that ending up on being a disaster.I do agree that Butler shouldnt really be that talkative right now. Cheesy

Trashtalks are like a natural reaction for a fighter who acts tough but are really afraid of their opponent, as they are trying to get into their opponents head, hoping he'd get distracted and lost his concentration.
Some other trash talks are deliberate, to gain media attention and sell the fight, but in this case, I don't think it needs to sell as Inoue is now a rising boxing superstar that everyone loves to see.

That's not true, I know a good trash talker but a very good boxer. I'm sure you know Mayweather, he loves to trash-talk his opponent but he retires as an undefeated boxer. In the case of Butler, it's sure different because his record or achievement in boxing is not at par on Inoue's achievement, so he makes himself looks like a clown.

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