[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 13.

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Quote from: Shamm on November 09, 2022, 08:45:54 AM

Yes if Bob arum handle Inoue Then he will know when to fight and also who will be the opponent of this monster like what bob arum did manny pacman to show up and now holding the one and only 8 division champ in the world. Then what do you think to inoue is he will overtake many or not?
As we can see that inoue nowadays is unstoppable in his division but when he will reach higher then he need to practice more speed than his opponent to control the fight.

Arum is a businessman. He knows how to establish fighter's careers. I see your point and he really does that, nothing to argue
with how he's milking this sport.

If Inoue will choose to move up and challenge whoever the title holder from that new division, it's possible for him to win as
we all see how he's fighting right now.

His dominance under his current division can be bring when he sees his opportunities moving up.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 09, 2022, 02:48:31 PM

Quote from: Natalim on November 09, 2022, 08:19:19 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on November 09, 2022, 06:24:39 AM

Butler's chance of winning is really slim and if there's some gambler who will take his ML, then upset
happen that's really decent, but the chance is really slim for that to happen as we all see the bookies
side in terms of placing the odds.

Of course, with a small amount of money, that's already enough just to have fun watching the game. With the attractive odds, one would be tempted to put a bet but of course, does not expect much as we know how good Inoue is, and it's the biggest fight of his career as he will become an undisputed champion if he would succeed.

Well yes, a chance is still a chance even if it's just too slim. The ML on Butler's favor is more than decent and I won't be surprised if there's somebody out there who gambled few bucks on Butler. But for us who doesn't want the ML, might as well wait for the other options to option like KO and range.

What I'm curious about is how would Inoue finish this fight, surely there's a pressure that this fight should be more easy because he even managed to defeat Donaire in mere 2 rounds.

If we do make out some comparison between Donaire and Butler then donaire does have better KO percentage but Inoue had fought an old donaire so we cant really make out that kind of comparison.
Speaking about ML then it would be common for people to go along with Inoue but there are indeed people who would really be that sticking on making out bets on the underdog
which its true that odds arent that bad if you do throw up some small bucks on Butler but its true that people would keep an eye on looking for other lines offered in line with Inoue
on how far and fast or how the fight would be ending up.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 09, 2022, 08:19:19 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on November 09, 2022, 06:24:39 AM

Butler's chance of winning is really slim and if there's some gambler who will take his ML, then upset
happen that's really decent, but the chance is really slim for that to happen as we all see the bookies
side in terms of placing the odds.

Of course, with a small amount of money, that's already enough just to have fun watching the game. With the attractive odds, one would be tempted to put a bet but of course, does not expect much as we know how good Inoue is, and it's the biggest fight of his career as he will become an undisputed champion if he would succeed.

Well yes, a chance is still a chance even if it's just too slim. The ML on Butler's favor is more than decent and I won't be surprised if there's somebody out there who gambled few bucks on Butler. But for us who doesn't want the ML, might as well wait for the other options to option like KO and range.

What I'm curious about is how would Inoue finish this fight, surely there's a pressure that this fight should be more easy because he even managed to defeat Donaire in mere 2 rounds.

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Yes if Bob arum handle Inoue Then he will know when to fight and also who will be the opponent of this monster like what bob arum did manny pacman to show up and now holding the one and only 8 division champ in the world. Then what do you think to inoue is he will overtake many or not?
As we can see that inoue nowadays is unstoppable in his division but when he will reach higher then he need to practice more speed than his opponent to control the fight.

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Quote from: Pamadar on November 09, 2022, 06:24:39 AM

Butler's chance of winning is really slim and if there's some gambler who will take his ML, then upset
happen that's really decent, but the chance is really slim for that to happen as we all see the bookies
side in terms of placing the odds.

Of course, with a small amount of money, that's already enough just to have fun watching the game. With the attractive odds, one would be tempted to put a bet but of course, does not expect much as we know how good Inoue is, and it's the biggest fight of his career as he will become an undisputed champion if he would succeed.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 08, 2022, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: harizen on November 08, 2022, 05:22:41 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on November 08, 2022, 01:46:05 AM

Is this the biggest odds gap for a boxing unification? 1.02 is way too low. But maybe rich bettors will still take advantage of this by risking huge amounts of money. A million-dollar bet on Inoue gives $20,000 which is like free money.

I can't imagine how much guts we need to risk that million dollars for a $20,000 return even though Inoue has a 99.9% chance to win. Well then, since we are not a multi-millionaire, we are questioning that guts but maybe these people on that tier can manage the risks.

However, bookies already know that kind of system and surely, a million-dollar single bet on a sure favorite might not be possible because of the bet limits especially if we refer to crypto-bookies. Don't know though how it works on fiat bookies.

Maybe some people can take the risk of this very low odds using their multi-million dollar bet.
But is it really worth it? We can always wait for other betting lines that may give better profits.
Inoue is obviously the favorite here and upset is not likely to happen.
If Inoue will emerge again as a winner on this fight, he may think of going up his weight division.

The odds are not worth it in my opinion, it's too low that even if you throw million dollars, the return is not that huge. Wise whale gamblers for me bet like 1.4x or higher for a ML. The winning is good and very attractive for them. But with 1.02 odds? this gamblers are intelligent enough not to risk their money.

But for those who are average joe, the odd for Butler could be attractive to them. No need to bet huge amount, perhaps $5-$10 might be enough for some of us here. Just to test the waters, but that money, we should afford to lose it before betting them, just saying.

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Quote from: harizen on November 08, 2022, 05:22:41 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on November 08, 2022, 01:46:05 AM

Is this the biggest odds gap for a boxing unification? 1.02 is way too low. But maybe rich bettors will still take advantage of this by risking huge amounts of money. A million-dollar bet on Inoue gives $20,000 which is like free money.

I can't imagine how much guts we need to risk that million dollars for a $20,000 return even though Inoue has a 99.9% chance to win. Well then, since we are not a multi-millionaire, we are questioning that guts but maybe these people on that tier can manage the risks.

However, bookies already know that kind of system and surely, a million-dollar single bet on a sure favorite might not be possible because of the bet limits especially if we refer to crypto-bookies. Don't know though how it works on fiat bookies.

Maybe some people can take the risk of this very low odds using their multi-million dollar bet.
But is it really worth it? We can always wait for other betting lines that may give better profits.
Inoue is obviously the favorite here and upset is not likely to happen.
If Inoue will emerge again as a winner on this fight, he may think of going up his weight division.

Not maybe, but there are gamblers who can throw a huge amount of money for Inoue's ML, though it's true that waiting for additional
line will give more options for a better odds.

Butler's chance of winning is really slim and if there's some gambler who will take his ML, then upset
happen that's really decent, but the chance is really slim for that to happen as we all see the bookies
side in terms of placing the odds.

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Quote from: harizen on November 08, 2022, 05:22:41 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on November 08, 2022, 01:46:05 AM

Is this the biggest odds gap for a boxing unification? 1.02 is way too low. But maybe rich bettors will still take advantage of this by risking huge amounts of money. A million-dollar bet on Inoue gives $20,000 which is like free money.

I can't imagine how much guts we need to risk that million dollars for a $20,000 return even though Inoue has a 99.9% chance to win. Well then, since we are not a multi-millionaire, we are questioning that guts but maybe these people on that tier can manage the risks.

However, bookies already know that kind of system and surely, a million-dollar single bet on a sure favorite might not be possible because of the bet limits especially if we refer to crypto-bookies. Don't know though how it works on fiat bookies.

Maybe some people can take the risk of this very low odds using their multi-million dollar bet.
But is it really worth it? We can always wait for other betting lines that may give better profits.
Inoue is obviously the favorite here and upset is not likely to happen.
If Inoue will emerge again as a winner on this fight, he may think of going up his weight division.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on November 08, 2022, 01:46:05 AM

Is this the biggest odds gap for a boxing unification? 1.02 is way too low. But maybe rich bettors will still take advantage of this by risking huge amounts of money. A million-dollar bet on Inoue gives $20,000 which is like free money.

I can't imagine how much guts we need to risk that million dollars for a $20,000 return even though Inoue has a 99.9% chance to win. Well then, since we are not a multi-millionaire, we are questioning that guts but maybe these people on that tier can manage the risks.

However, bookies already know that kind of system and surely, a million-dollar single bet on a sure favorite might not be possible because of the bet limits especially if we refer to crypto-bookies. Don't know though how it works on fiat bookies.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

Yeah, it's too low and not that much to win if people are going to bet for him and that's why even if many know that the upper hand is with Inoue. They may literally go to gamble and bet for Butler on this match if the odds won't change as the day approaches by.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

This kind of odds simply stated that Butler is impossible to win against Inoue. Though it is very attractive odds and it is a way for sportsbooks to lure people into betting making the event profitable for them.

And that's true but we will see if there will be some changes in the odds because that's how it goes. As the day is nearing to the fight night, the odds could also change but I don't think it will be that much.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

No, even if you bet huge amount of money at 1.02 odds, the returns is going to be small.

It's probably be better to bet on the over and under round, most probably bookies might set it around 7.5. Although the under 7.5 might be around 1.5 I reckon, so still not that huge odd but still better if we compare it to the ML. Definitely the over might be higher, but with Inoue's record of breaking his opponent at under 6 rounds, it could be tempting but the risk is higher.

That is correct. No way even a whale will put an amount of betting on Naoya Inoue for that kind of odds.

They have to wait at least for better odds on other betting options to see the best return they can get.

Since Moneyline is still the available options, we need to wait for other options.

There's no way I would spend and gamble for that kind of odds but I'm afraid that the ML will just have a slight change in the upcoming weeks and the odds in favor of Inoue is still not that good enough to bet, but anyway, I hope the odds of by knockout and range of the fight will be tempting enough for us bettors. This might be really the case if the fight is not that really interesting because Butler's chance is really not good.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

I think betting option of exact round the fight will end is the most worth to bet in this match. I don't expect any good odds about result e.g. via decision or knock out, Inoue via KO will be favorite and the odds should be low as 1.15x while decision might around 1.70x. Maybe if we bet about 1-3 rounds will end the odds will be at least @2.00x which I think it's fine to risk my money with such odds.

Is this the biggest odds gap for a boxing unification? 1.02 is way too low. But maybe rich bettors will still take advantage of this by risking huge amounts of money. A million-dollar bet on Inoue gives $20,000 which is like free money.

But what really are the chances of Butler causing an upset? I respect that Butler is also a champion but he didn't take the belt against a champion and instead gained it because it was vacated and Sultan was an 11-minute late replacement. Maybe if the fight is in the UK or at least in a neutral place like the US can slightly change the odds. If only Butler is a KO artist, some bettors will risk since the odds is very high.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

I think betting option of exact round the fight will end is the most worth to bet in this match. I don't expect any good odds about result e.g. via decision or knock out, Inoue via KO will be favorite and the odds should be low as 1.15x while decision might around 1.70x. Maybe if we bet about 1-3 rounds will end the odds will be at least @2.00x which I think it's fine to risk my money with such odds.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

No, even if you bet huge amount of money at 1.02 odds, the returns is going to be small.

It's probably be better to bet on the over and under round, most probably bookies might set it around 7.5. Although the under 7.5 might be around 1.5 I reckon, so still not that huge odd but still better if we compare it to the ML. Definitely the over might be higher, but with Inoue's record of breaking his opponent at under 6 rounds, it could be tempting but the risk is higher.

That is correct. No way even a whale will put an amount of betting on Naoya Inoue for that kind of odds.

They have to wait at least for better odds on other betting options to see the best return they can get.

Since Moneyline is still the available options, we need to wait for other options.

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Quote from: Yatsan on November 07, 2022, 08:28:49 AM

There will be people to bet especially those who are a die hard fans of Inoue. He is popular enough to have gamblers on his back no matter what. On my end I'd go with betting on Naoya even if I'm not a die hard fan of him, I was just taking advantage of the odds. But to be safe I won't put that nuch money for this fight simply because I am still not aware of their full potential (would watch clips of both fighters a week before the fight so I can conclude which one) but I'd go for now with the crowd favorite. In sports, inspite of the difference between popularity and biases, things could be changed once the bell rings and as long as fighters are still up on their feet. Luck? that would work but in this sport, instincts and talents are more dominant.

Seriously? How you can even take advantage of the 1.02 odds?

And you even mentioned that you will put a low amount of money then how's the return?

It's like you put money on a gambling site for a day and if Inoue won, they will just give you the amount you put on your bet lol. Better save it in your pocket if you are about on Inoue Moneyline since no change on the amount you have placed.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

No, even if you bet huge amount of money at 1.02 odds, the returns is going to be small.

It's probably be better to bet on the over and under round, most probably bookies might set it around 7.5. Although the under 7.5 might be around 1.5 I reckon, so still not that huge odd but still better if we compare it to the ML. Definitely the over might be higher, but with Inoue's record of breaking his opponent at under 6 rounds, it could be tempting but the risk is higher.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

This kind of odds simply stated that Butler is impossible to win against Inoue. Though it is very attractive odds and it is a way for sportsbooks to lure people into betting making the event profitable for them.

Quote from: Yamifoud on November 07, 2022, 08:45:12 AM

Personally, I'm a die-hard fan of Inoue but I will not bet on Inoue because he has 1.02 odds, that's not gonna attract me, imagine, if I will put $1000, I would just win $20, I think that's not gonna satisfy me.

How about betting $10 for Butler? It isn't big money and possibly we can just forget if we lost it. But if it wins, it will give us $110, which is a decent amount.

Quote from: Yamifoud on November 07, 2022, 08:45:12 AM

So instead, I would just wait for better odds with other betting options, not the ML.

Yeah, as the fight gets nearer, lots of betting option that has better odds will be revealed. Sometimes new odds option is released a day before the fight.

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Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

There will be people to bet especially those who are a die hard fans of Inoue. He is popular enough to have gamblers on his back no matter what. On my end I'd go with betting on Naoya even if I'm not a die hard fan of him, I was just taking advantage of the odds. But to be safe I won't put that nuch money for this fight simply because I am still not aware of their full potential (would watch clips of both fighters a week before the fight so I can conclude which one) but I'd go for now with the crowd favorite. In sports, inspite of the difference between popularity and biases, things could be changed once the bell rings and as long as fighters are still up on their feet. Luck? that would work but in this sport, instincts and talents are more dominant.

Personally, I'm a die-hard fan of Inoue but I will not bet on Inoue because he has 1.02 odds, that's not gonna attract me, imagine, if I will put $1000, I would just win $20, I think that's not gonna satisfy me. So instead, I would just wait for better odds with other betting options, not the ML.

For someone like us who already consider $1,000 a huge amount then we wouldn't bet on that kind of odds for sure but for the other gamblers who can afford much more than that and considering that they're a die hard fan of Naoya Inoue then that's already good for them. But thinking about that odds, it's just too low Cheesy

there's no use to risk for that kind of profit even though Inoue is much likely to win, I can't even imagine myself jumping on that kind of odds. I'll also wait for other betting options, maybe we can get lucky to find ourselves a much tasty surprise.

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Quote from: Yatsan on November 07, 2022, 08:28:49 AM

Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

There will be people to bet especially those who are a die hard fans of Inoue. He is popular enough to have gamblers on his back no matter what. On my end I'd go with betting on Naoya even if I'm not a die hard fan of him, I was just taking advantage of the odds. But to be safe I won't put that nuch money for this fight simply because I am still not aware of their full potential (would watch clips of both fighters a week before the fight so I can conclude which one) but I'd go for now with the crowd favorite. In sports, inspite of the difference between popularity and biases, things could be changed once the bell rings and as long as fighters are still up on their feet. Luck? that would work but in this sport, instincts and talents are more dominant.

Personally, I'm a die-hard fan of Inoue but I will not bet on Inoue because he has 1.02 odds, that's not gonna attract me, imagine, if I will put $1000, I would just win $20, I think that's not gonna satisfy me. So instead, I would just wait for better odds with other betting options, not the ML.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 07, 2022, 08:19:18 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on November 07, 2022, 04:28:53 AM

So, this match is just a month and a few days to wait. And this match is already booked in Duelbits and look at high the odds are.
1.02 for Naoya and 11.00 for Butler. Well, just like what the crowd is talking about Naoya who's going to win this match but if you're a gambler and you believe on some lucky punch of Butler, this is going to take a lot of risk if you're going to bet with such amounts.

The odds were already available early but if only the ML odds are out for now, it's not attractive for bettors as no one would bet on Inoue with an odds of 1.02, that was insane, although he will likely win, but would your risk with that 1.02? I guess we should wait for more alternatives.

There will be people to bet especially those who are a die hard fans of Inoue. He is popular enough to have gamblers on his back no matter what. On my end I'd go with betting on Naoya even if I'm not a die hard fan of him, I was just taking advantage of the odds. But to be safe I won't put that nuch money for this fight simply because I am still not aware of their full potential (would watch clips of both fighters a week before the fight so I can conclude which one) but I'd go for now with the crowd favorite. In sports, inspite of the difference between popularity and biases, things could be changed once the bell rings and as long as fighters are still up on their feet. Luck? that would work but in this sport, instincts and talents are more dominant.

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