[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 5.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 23, 2023, 03:53:34 PM

^^ Donaire ML is still very attracted in my opinion, that is if you are willing to pour big money on it. So as long as he is going to win here, either by decision or knockout or technical knockout, you can still have a big win.

But for those who are chasing good odds for him, yeah, a stoppage win or even by decision is very juicy odds. However, we should be smart in our bets. So still have days to think about where to put our money, so let's see if there will be changes in the odds specially for backers of Santiago.

Yeah, if you are aiming for a win and you are good at backing Donaire, ML is already good to enjoy if ever Donaire
take this fight against Santiago.

Though we all know that there are gamblers who wanted to squeeze for more, and they are willing to take a much bigger risk for a possible
decent compensation, just a good trust for Donaire to win a KO will give much higher winnings.

Let see if there's movement if ever bookies see backers from Santiago to place their bets.

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^^ Donaire ML is still very attracted in my opinion, that is if you are willing to pour big money on it. So as long as he is going to win here, either by decision or knockout or technical knockout, you can still have a big win.

But for those who are chasing good odds for him, yeah, a stoppage win or even by decision is very juicy odds. However, we should be smart in our bets. So still have days to think about where to put our money, so let's see if there will be changes in the odds specially for backers of Santiago.

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LOL, how this turn out to be Inoue vs Fulton thread? Stay on the topic guys, this thread is about Donaire vs Santiago fight.

And with that, this fight is just a few more days, so let's start betting if you haven't done so. I have Donaire here to win by knockout. Odds are very good at 2.95 so my money goes with that.

I'm thinking that Donaire can still pull the trigger and doesn't want this fight to go over to 12 rounds as he might get tired. So it's better for him to start hard like his previous fight and aim for a KO/TKO.

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This fight is already right around the corner and considering that the fight night is just a few sleeps ahead, I don't think that Fulton will be giving up this fight so that it will be postponed or something like that just because of his baseless accusations, although he might not be the one who is accusing but I know that he's behind this drama and he's just using his coach to deliver the words for him.

He better improve his defense if he doesn't want those punches to be flying through his body and face because if he's not ready for this fight then I guess we will witness another TKO or KO coming from Inoue.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 22, 2023, 01:53:59 AM

So we might listen to their predictions and what not and analysis. But as bettor I think we should know better and bet on the boxer that we think we should win the fight base on our own analysis. But with Donaire vs Santiago, I will go with the popular opinion that Donaire will beat Santiago and win the WBC bantamweight again.

Donaire could be wrong because, in the first place, he was mistaken when he believed he could beat Inoue. He was defeated twice, and that's a statement that Inoue is truly unbeatable. I'm not sure what the basis of his prediction is, but if it's solely because Inoue has moved up to a heavier weight, I doubt that's significant enough to affect his chances.

That's his personal opinion, though. Despite that, people may not change their minds and would still bet on Inoue. Let's just follow the trend since Inoue is one of the most popular boxers in the world; a loss would be detrimental to his career. So, let's consider that we are betting on his future, and we can be sure that our money is worth it, regardless of the outcome.

Adding that he's also fighting in front of his own crowd, Japanese culture is also important for them and I'm sure there's
a weight on it and Inoue will do everything not to be embarrassed in front of those Japanese fans'.

Nothing will change on my opinion if you are betting for Inoue, A word from a former opponent, can't vouch a possible outcome of the fight.

Inoue will be tested and by knowing him, always love to accept the challenge and excel from the expectations.

Inoue is the kind of boxing who loves to fight strong boxers that can challenge him to evolve more than what he is right now and maybe that is why he is called a monster in the first place. Also, I think it will be hard to go against him because we saw him numerous times that he can really improvise to keep up with his opponents and in the mid rounds, he is giving more than what his opponent is giving which is also part of the reason why he is upsetting the favorites that he fought when he was still making his name.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 22, 2023, 05:34:02 AM

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So we might listen to their predictions and what not and analysis. But as bettor I think we should know better and bet on the boxer that we think we should win the fight base on our own analysis. But with Donaire vs Santiago, I will go with the popular opinion that Donaire will beat Santiago and win the WBC bantamweight again.

Donaire could be wrong because, in the first place, he was mistaken when he believed he could beat Inoue. He was defeated twice, and that's a statement that Inoue is truly unbeatable. I'm not sure what the basis of his prediction is, but if it's solely because Inoue has moved up to a heavier weight, I doubt that's significant enough to affect his chances.

That's his personal opinion, though. Despite that, people may not change their minds and would still bet on Inoue. Let's just follow the trend since Inoue is one of the most popular boxers in the world; a loss would be detrimental to his career. So, let's consider that we are betting on his future, and we can be sure that our money is worth it, regardless of the outcome.

Adding that he's also fighting in front of his own crowd, Japanese culture is also important for them and I'm sure there's
a weight on it and Inoue will do everything not to be embarrassed in front of those Japanese fans'.

Nothing will change on my opinion if you are betting for Inoue, A word from a former opponent, can't vouch a possible outcome of the fight.

Inoue will be tested and by knowing him, always love to accept the challenge and excel from the expectations.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 22, 2023, 01:53:59 AM

So we might listen to their predictions and what not and analysis. But as bettor I think we should know better and bet on the boxer that we think we should win the fight base on our own analysis. But with Donaire vs Santiago, I will go with the popular opinion that Donaire will beat Santiago and win the WBC bantamweight again.

Donaire could be wrong because, in the first place, he was mistaken when he believed he could beat Inoue. He was defeated twice, and that's a statement that Inoue is truly unbeatable. I'm not sure what the basis of his prediction is, but if it's solely because Inoue has moved up to a heavier weight, I doubt that's significant enough to affect his chances.

That's his personal opinion, though. Despite that, people may not change their minds and would still bet on Inoue. Let's just follow the trend since Inoue is one of the most popular boxers in the world; a loss would be detrimental to his career. So, let's consider that we are betting on his future, and we can be sure that our money is worth it, regardless of the outcome.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 22, 2023, 01:53:59 AM

So we might listen to their predictions and what not and analysis. But as bettor I think we should know better and bet on the boxer that we think we should win the fight base on our own analysis. But with Donaire vs Santiago, I will go with the popular opinion that Donaire will beat Santiago and win the WBC bantamweight again.

Donaire could be wrong because, in the first place, he was mistaken when he believed he could beat Inoue. He was defeated twice, and that's a statement that Inoue is truly unbeatable. I'm not sure what the basis of his prediction is, but if it's solely because Inoue has moved up to a heavier weight, I doubt that's significant enough to affect his chances.

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Nonito's prediction that Fulton has a slight edge is a bit off. I don't know if he is telling the truth or still not convinced that Inoue is extremely good, as Inoue beat him twice, while Donaire has not even fought Fulton yet. What the public believes is what I believe will happen, so I'm all the way with Inoue here, regardless of how he'll beat Fulton, but I'd love to see a KO if possible.

Yes, it doesn't really make any sense at all because it will be more believable if he is saying otherwise because it was Inoue whom he faced twice and not Fulton. So, I don't really think that he's giving a concrete prediction about this fight, with what he is saying in public now, it seems that he got a grudge against Inoue because he didn't had any chance to defeat the Japanese boxer at all and even embarrassed him on their 2nd encounter.

Good point, as he didn't have that chance facing Fulton while he was beaten twice by Inoue,

Though it's just his own opinion and no one is being forced to follow or believe in him, I'm thinking that maybe he's using it for
publicity on this upcoming fight, but in the back of my mind he doesn't need it as the fight has been moved as an undercard with
the well anticipated meetup of Spence and Crawford, no offense to all the opinions but we will be able to conclude it once it
was done.

Agreed, he is entitled to his own opinion, maybe there is weight on it because he fought Inoue. But we are not sure if he is telling the truth or just because he wanted for Inoue to lose the fight because Naoya knock him out cold in 2 rounds.

So we might listen to their predictions and what not and analysis. But as bettor I think we should know better and bet on the boxer that we think we should win the fight base on our own analysis. But with Donaire vs Santiago, I will go with the popular opinion that Donaire will beat Santiago and win the WBC bantamweight again.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 21, 2023, 10:28:35 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on July 21, 2023, 10:04:54 AM

Nonito's prediction that Fulton has a slight edge is a bit off. I don't know if he is telling the truth or still not convinced that Inoue is extremely good, as Inoue beat him twice, while Donaire has not even fought Fulton yet. What the public believes is what I believe will happen, so I'm all the way with Inoue here, regardless of how he'll beat Fulton, but I'd love to see a KO if possible.

Yes, it doesn't really make any sense at all because it will be more believable if he is saying otherwise because it was Inoue whom he faced twice and not Fulton. So, I don't really think that he's giving a concrete prediction about this fight, with what he is saying in public now, it seems that he got a grudge against Inoue because he didn't had any chance to defeat the Japanese boxer at all and even embarrassed him on their 2nd encounter.

Good point, as he didn't have that chance facing Fulton while he was beaten twice by Inoue,

Though it's just his own opinion and no one is being forced to follow or believe in him, I'm thinking that maybe he's using it for
publicity on this upcoming fight, but in the back of my mind he doesn't need it as the fight has been moved as an undercard with
the well anticipated meetup of Spence and Crawford, no offense to all the opinions but we will be able to conclude it once it
was done.

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Quote from: Shamm on July 21, 2023, 10:22:22 AM

If we look into the history of Inoue's career we can say that we have the mindset that every fight of Inoue will have a chance of winning by Knocking out his opponent, and when the next fight of Inoue still I do believe that there's a high percentage of winning by knockdown. But anyways Inoue nowadays is monster that some fighter will afraid to face with him.

Honestly, I'm not seeing Stephen Fulton losing via Knock Out.

Maybe he will be KO'ed at some point during the fight but Inoue might win via Decision instead (if let's say Inoue won).

Inoue took 11 Rounds just to Knock Out Paul Butler during their undisputed fight. Paul Butler is even much weaker compared to Stephen Fulton who is a champion at 122 and already defeated some of the popular guys here. I believe Fulton, if let's say he loses the match against Inoue, will be able to survive the 12 rounds dealing with the Japanese Monster.

Aside from that, Fulton being a champion will surely fuel his eagerness and determination not to get KO. And who knows, he might get a win.

Anyway, this is Donaire vs Santiago thread. Let's refrain from discussing too much about the other fight just because Donaire shares his analysis. Cheesy

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 21, 2023, 10:04:54 AM

Nonito's prediction that Fulton has a slight edge is a bit off. I don't know if he is telling the truth or still not convinced that Inoue is extremely good, as Inoue beat him twice, while Donaire has not even fought Fulton yet. What the public believes is what I believe will happen, so I'm all the way with Inoue here, regardless of how he'll beat Fulton, but I'd love to see a KO if possible.

Yes, it doesn't really make any sense at all because it will be more believable if he is saying otherwise because it was Inoue whom he faced twice and not Fulton. So, I don't really think that he's giving a concrete prediction about this fight, with what he is saying in public now, it seems that he got a grudge against Inoue because he didn't had any chance to defeat the Japanese boxer at all and even embarrassed him on their 2nd encounter.

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Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

Good luck, but honestly, I find it hard to believe in anything other than a KO win by Inoue. You know, he is a KO artist, so it's most likely he will win via KO if you believe he will win. The reason why a KO win by Inoue has lower odds is because it's likely what we will witness. So, I'm still with Inoue, but on the KO win.

Considering the odds that @biskdak2 put through, I cannot blame him if he chose to believe that this fight will end into the judge's hand. But since Inoue is a heavy hitter and have more wins via way of knockout in his career, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with betting on Inoue for a KO outcome because I will not deny that it is indeed more likely but based on the odds, I'll just throw a few.

If we look into the history of Inoue's career we can say that we have the mindset that every fight of Inoue will have a chance of winning by Knocking out his opponent, and when the next fight of Inoue still I do believe that there's a high percentage of winning by knockdown. But anyways Inoue nowadays is monster that some fighter will afraid to face with him.

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Nonito's prediction that Fulton has a slight edge is a bit off. I don't know if he is telling the truth or still not convinced that Inoue is extremely good, as Inoue beat him twice, while Donaire has not even fought Fulton yet. What the public believes is what I believe will happen, so I'm all the way with Inoue here, regardless of how he'll beat Fulton, but I'd love to see a KO if possible.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 21, 2023, 07:15:05 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 21, 2023, 02:38:12 AM

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

Good luck, but honestly, I find it hard to believe in anything other than a KO win by Inoue. You know, he is a KO artist, so it's most likely he will win via KO if you believe he will win. The reason why a KO win by Inoue has lower odds is because it's likely what we will witness. So, I'm still with Inoue, but on the KO win.

Considering the odds that @biskdak2 put through, I cannot blame him if he chose to believe that this fight will end into the judge's hand. But since Inoue is a heavy hitter and have more wins via way of knockout in his career, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with betting on Inoue for a KO outcome because I will not deny that it is indeed more likely but based on the odds, I'll just throw a few.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 21, 2023, 07:15:05 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 21, 2023, 02:38:12 AM

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

Good luck, but honestly, I find it hard to believe in anything other than a KO win by Inoue. You know, he is a KO artist, so it's most likely he will win via KO if you believe he will win. The reason why a KO win by Inoue has lower odds is because it's likely what we will witness. So, I'm still with Inoue, but on the KO win.

Yeah, you are right, obviously, Inoue is looking for a KO but we will see if Fulton can handle that power or not. He is the champion here and had fought one of the best in the division in Figueroa and survived.

So for sure this is going to be a great fight, this two boxers style make a perfect fit for a great fight.

And for gamblers, it's really hard to choose or bet and maybe we will have to wait for the day itself to decide where we are going to put our money.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 21, 2023, 08:07:24 AM

Quote from: Kelvinid on July 21, 2023, 07:15:05 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 21, 2023, 02:38:12 AM

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

Good luck, but honestly, I find it hard to believe in anything other than a KO win by Inoue. You know, he is a KO artist, so it's most likely he will win via KO if you believe he will win. The reason why a KO win by Inoue has lower odds is because it's likely what we will witness. So, I'm still with Inoue, but on the KO win.

We don't know the outcome of this fight, so what we are doing is just guessing the winner. Most of us probably believe that Inoue will win; it's just that we are looking for more attractive odds, and we know that ML odds are not what we are looking for. So, it's either KO or a win by decision, and @bisdak40 just wants to risk on the bigger odds.

Anything could happen, but obviously, now the majority are thinking that Inoue will win. However, we should not be 100% too confident that he will win because Fulton is a decent fighter; he is the champion, and we have to remember that. I hope this isn't going to be a fight like Canelo vs Bivol, where everyone was thinking Canelo would win if he moves up and fights the champion, and Bivol was underestimated at that time.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on July 21, 2023, 07:15:05 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 21, 2023, 02:38:12 AM

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

Good luck, but honestly, I find it hard to believe in anything other than a KO win by Inoue. You know, he is a KO artist, so it's most likely he will win via KO if you believe he will win. The reason why a KO win by Inoue has lower odds is because it's likely what we will witness. So, I'm still with Inoue, but on the KO win.

We don't know the outcome of this fight, so what we are doing is just guessing the winner. Most of us probably believe that Inoue will win; it's just that we are looking for more attractive odds, and we know that ML odds are not what we are looking for. So, it's either KO or a win by decision, and @bisdak40 just wants to risk on the bigger odds.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 21, 2023, 02:38:12 AM

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

Good luck, but honestly, I find it hard to believe in anything other than a KO win by Inoue. You know, he is a KO artist, so it's most likely he will win via KO if you believe he will win. The reason why a KO win by Inoue has lower odds is because it's likely what we will witness. So, I'm still with Inoue, but on the KO win.

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For my part, I highly respect the opinion of an unborn Donaire, obviously he has a unique experience in boxing, I don't, I barely practiced it as a sport and I know what most do, but Donaire's criteria is unique, also if I'm wrong, then I have nothing left to learn from what he predicted and well, it would be a great knowledge that I would be acquiring, but the truth is that it seems difficult for Fulton to beat Inoue.

Even if he had fought Inoue, Donaire's prediction is just one man's prediction, I mean his prediction is equal to that of ours, the only advantage that he has is that he is a boxer and knows the sports very well. In the "Tale of the Tape", Fulton will be the bigger boxer as he has fought in this division for quite some time and Inoue fighting for the first time in this division, do he bring his power and speed to 122lbs, which remains to be seen and that makes Fulton on the advantage to Donaire's view.

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.

The outcome of this upcoming fight is yet to be concluded, and anyone can provide their opinion. I'm sure there are other fighters
who have their different opinions about how they are seeing the result of this fight.

Donaire might have his reason and it's an opinion that he might see, but again, we can only declare that once the announcer already
announce the winner, either by decision or by KO.

4 more days and we will witness the fight between Fulton and Inoue, while for Santiago and Donaire, it's more than a week from now.

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