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Topic: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 6. (Read 4409 times)

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For my part, I highly respect the opinion of an unborn Donaire, obviously he has a unique experience in boxing, I don't, I barely practiced it as a sport and I know what most do, but Donaire's criteria is unique, also if I'm wrong, then I have nothing left to learn from what he predicted and well, it would be a great knowledge that I would be acquiring, but the truth is that it seems difficult for Fulton to beat Inoue.

Even if he had fought Inoue, Donaire's prediction is just one man's prediction, I mean his prediction is equal to that of ours, the only advantage that he has is that he is a boxer and knows the sports very well. In the "Tale of the Tape", Fulton will be the bigger boxer as he has fought in this division for quite some time and Inoue fighting for the first time in this division, do he bring his power and speed to 122lbs, which remains to be seen and that makes Fulton on the advantage to Donaire's view.

Let us not forget that the fight will be held in Japan, the only way for you to win is via knockout and I don't think that Fulton could KO Inoue so with that I will be betting Inoue to win via decision @3.10, a good bet for me.
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However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.
That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

Correct. If we are in their shoes and we have seen that our favorite figure is listed as an underdog suredeal, we will quickly
We place our bet because we believe that it will bring us decent profits.

Same thing with how Santiago's fans will react, we can't remove the fact that there are people or fans out there who are believing that upset
can happen as it's boxing, and there's no guarantee.

Let's see what will happen, almost the fight schedule. it allows you to either advance your bet or wait for more available odds.
Well, it's nice that everyone thinks the same about Nonito, and if the younger boxers can have a little more resistance, to have more strength, but I think that here experience will always play an important role in everything, it is not crazy to think that one A person who does not have much fame wants to stand out because they need something to be able to be at the level of the most competitive boxers, there are many, they all seek fame and all want recognition, some seek more money and for that they require a lot of fame, taking into consideration That we as good fans know that a boxer like Nonito can make a difference with this and with anyone, I wish he could win, because I know that by winning he would be making a good story and would obviously call the attention of others for the fights.

Nonito Donaire makes prediction for Stephen Fulton vs. Naoya Inoue



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Nontio Donaire gave his verdict on the upcoming super bantamweight clash.

Former multi-weight world champion Nonito Donaire believes WBC and WBO world super bantamweight champion Stephen Fulton has the slight edge over Naoya Inoue.

The pair meet for Fulton's world titles on Tuesday in Japan in what will be Inoue's first fight at 122 pounds.

Donaire has faced Inoue twice during his career in 2019 and 2022, but on both occasions he found himself being beaten by the man known as "The Monster."

Source: https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/nonito-donaire-makes-prediction-for-stephen-fulton-vs-naoya-inoue/eag00f3yepe11i6ydhauchv7j

Apparently Nonito is in favor of Fulton and gives his good reasons, well he is respectable, he is a boxer, he has had good experience, and the criteria he bases himself on are respectable, what I think of all this is that anything can happen in that fight, it is notable that Donaire has his favorite according to Fulton's abilities, but personally I think I am not in agreement, for me things are different with Inoue, he is a calculating boxer and that he has a lot to give.

Personally, I will always agree with an Inoue who gives it all the time, also what I have said all the time is that this boxer has a unique talent and is quiet, he does not praise himself and that is a very different characteristic of all boxers, because generally they throw themselves off, he doesn't, he simply concentrates on his fight and that's it.

For my part, I highly respect the opinion of an unborn Donaire, obviously he has a unique experience in boxing, I don't, I barely practiced it as a sport and I know what most do, but Donaire's criteria is unique, also if I'm wrong, then I have nothing left to learn from what he predicted and well, it would be a great knowledge that I would be acquiring, but the truth is that it seems difficult for Fulton to beat Inoue.
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I'm really tempted to bet on Inoue to win by KO; it's 1.98 in my sportsbook now. What do you guys think about these odds? Are you going in, or will you play it safe and just bet on Inoue to win the game regardless of how?
Why would you doubt Inoue? He is a KO artist, and the majority of his wins are through KO. I think it's easy to make a decision. Maybe some media outlets are just hyping Fulton a bit, so people will be confused. But let's keep it simple: Inoue is the favorite and is likely to win the battle.
1.98x is decent enough if that's what you want to hear and most gamblers around the world would surely take advantage of that odds because a KO win is more likely when it comes to Naoya Inoue and I reckon that it is a much safer bet compared to a decision outcome which is not very likely. It may be Fulton's division but we should not forget that the difference in weight is not that far.

Inoue's first-round KO win is at x40. Is it worth the risk?
With a small amount at risk and a high reward if you get lucky, you'll surely have fun.
Why not throw a few bucks, we never know. Things can happen in an unexpected way.
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I'm really tempted to bet on Inoue to win by KO; it's 1.98 in my sportsbook now. What do you guys think about these odds? Are you going in, or will you play it safe and just bet on Inoue to win the game regardless of how?
Why would you doubt Inoue? He is a KO artist, and the majority of his wins are through KO. I think it's easy to make a decision. Maybe some media outlets are just hyping Fulton a bit, so people will be confused. But let's keep it simple: Inoue is the favorite and is likely to win the battle.

Inoue's first-round KO win is at x40. Is it worth the risk?
With a small amount at risk and a high reward if you get lucky, you'll surely have fun.
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I'm really tempted to bet on Inoue to win by KO; it's 1.98 in my sportsbook now. What do you guys think about these odds? Are you going in, or will you play it safe and just bet on Inoue to win the game regardless of how?

Inoue's first-round KO win is at x40. Is it worth the risk?
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Both Santiago and Donaire will earn not just the possible crowd, but the main deal is the money that will going to flow.

It's the way how they will use this opportunity individually to hype up their careers, more viewers more chance of good upcoming fights.
That's business; they will not make this fight happen without money. It's not a real competition where they are representing their country. Nowadays, it's just secondary, as money is the main inspiration for these boxers who want to be at the top.

Yeah, nowadays money talks a lot. And if there are fighters that are more focused on achievements they are still powerless because their promoters and networks are the ones investing and putting money on them. Even managers, coaches, and other staff will always convince a fighter to go for the money route as their salaries depend on how much the fighter is receiving.

Anyways, looks like we are going to watch Inoue vs Fulton first before Donaire's historic attempt to become the oldest bantamweight champion in history. And there's also Crawford's historic attempt to become the first-ever 2-division undisputed champion in this 4-belt era, in the main event.
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Both Santiago and Donaire will earn not just the possible crowd, but the main deal is the money that will going to flow.

It's the way how they will use this opportunity individually to hype up their careers, more viewers more chance of good upcoming fights.
That's business; they will not make this fight happen without money. It's not a real competition where they are representing their country. Nowadays, it's just secondary, as money is the main inspiration for these boxers who want to be at the top.
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Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.

No doubt, Donaire and Santiago would earn a larger sum of money by being the undercard fight for Spence vs Crawford. In terms of hype, Donaire is already well-known, so he only needs a bit more exposure. It's actually Santiago who will be presented with a great opportunity because if he wins this fight, promoting his next fight would not be difficult.

The changes made to the fight should be appreciated as the promoters simply aim to make it a more successful event.

Agree, Santiago is new to this kind of stage as he has not fought in Vegas yet if I'm correct so another disadvantage for him. Money-wise, I don't know if the promoters will compensate for the postponement of this fight so it will be put in the undercard of Spence vs Crawford fight but definitely this is a big plus/attraction to the main event so i think money will flow to the purse of Donaire and Santiago lol.

As far as I know, promoters are not going to be compensated here, on the contrary as you have said, this could be more advantageous to them as they will be the prior fight before the main event.

So obviously the promoters are going to jump on this opportunity and for sure Donaire and Santiago knows that it will be a big boost for them to be in the limelight of this big fight. And their names will be remember in history as the undercard in this unification fight between two great fighters.
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Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.

No doubt, Donaire and Santiago would earn a larger sum of money by being the undercard fight for Spence vs Crawford. In terms of hype, Donaire is already well-known, so he only needs a bit more exposure. It's actually Santiago who will be presented with a great opportunity because if he wins this fight, promoting his next fight would not be difficult.

The changes made to the fight should be appreciated as the promoters simply aim to make it a more successful event.

Agree, Santiago is new to this kind of stage as he has not fought in Vegas yet if I'm correct so another disadvantage for him. Money-wise, I don't know if the promoters will compensate for the postponement of this fight so it will be put in the undercard of Spence vs Crawford fight but definitely this is a big plus/attraction to the main event so i think money will flow to the purse of Donaire and Santiago lol.

And we all know that it's a business aside from the front of being a sport. They are more on the money and how they will get that huge
compensations out of the fight that they will promote.

Both Santiago and Donaire will earn not just the possible crowd, but the main deal is the money that will going to flow.

It's the way how they will use this opportunity individually to hype up their careers, more viewers more chance of good upcoming fights.
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Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.

No doubt, Donaire and Santiago would earn a larger sum of money by being the undercard fight for Spence vs Crawford. In terms of hype, Donaire is already well-known, so he only needs a bit more exposure. It's actually Santiago who will be presented with a great opportunity because if he wins this fight, promoting his next fight would not be difficult.

The changes made to the fight should be appreciated as the promoters simply aim to make it a more successful event.

Agree, Santiago is new to this kind of stage as he has not fought in Vegas yet if I'm correct so another disadvantage for him. Money-wise, I don't know if the promoters will compensate for the postponement of this fight so it will be put in the undercard of Spence vs Crawford fight but definitely this is a big plus/attraction to the main event so i think money will flow to the purse of Donaire and Santiago lol.

If Santiago is not used to it then this will be a big disadvantage for him. For Donaire he is used to this big crowds so maybe this is just a normal flow for him. The best thing is to really perform at peak and then crown himself as the oldest bantamweight champion.

As for the purse, yeah, Donaire is already an attraction so he has every right to take the big money here.

The burden is on Santiago to proved that he has what it takes to fight the legend in Nonito Donaire.
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Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.

No doubt, Donaire and Santiago would earn a larger sum of money by being the undercard fight for Spence vs Crawford. In terms of hype, Donaire is already well-known, so he only needs a bit more exposure. It's actually Santiago who will be presented with a great opportunity because if he wins this fight, promoting his next fight would not be difficult.

The changes made to the fight should be appreciated as the promoters simply aim to make it a more successful event.

Agree, Santiago is new to this kind of stage as he has not fought in Vegas yet if I'm correct so another disadvantage for him. Money-wise, I don't know if the promoters will compensate for the postponement of this fight so it will be put in the undercard of Spence vs Crawford fight but definitely this is a big plus/attraction to the main event so i think money will flow to the purse of Donaire and Santiago lol.
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Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.

No doubt, Donaire and Santiago would earn a larger sum of money by being the undercard fight for Spence vs Crawford. In terms of hype, Donaire is already well-known, so he only needs a bit more exposure. It's actually Santiago who will be presented with a great opportunity because if he wins this fight, promoting his next fight would not be difficult.

The changes made to the fight should be appreciated as the promoters simply aim to make it a more successful event.

I think even before them moving on the undercard, maybe Donaire has the lion share already as he is the number 1 contender for the belt. But we don't know if the split has been bumped since they are going to move to the Spence and Crawford.

If yes, then good for them, they deserved it specially for Santiago as this could be his first time to be in a huge undercard fight.

Definitely, win or lose, going to be a big exposure. And perhaps the winner here could be the next main event of their careers.
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It may work, if Santiago will start slow and observe what style Donaire will use against him.

He might have that chance of beating Donaire if he will not engage in a toe-tot-toe confrontation, though it may boring the
fans if we will see more on defense with a lesser offense.

But, if that's the way how to win against the former champ, why not try your luck and use it? We will see what style
Santiago will use once the fight already takes place.

Santiago could emulate what Rido has done to Donaire when he beat the former, run, run and more running lol.

Rigo is a former Olympian (if my memory serves me right) and his speed is admirable so he could hit and run but i doubt Santiago could do the same, though i have not seen a fight of him but i speculate that he is not that fast.

Donaire is a counter-puncher and yeah, this fight will turn into a snore-feast if Santiago won't come out of his shell but i don't think he would do that as Mexicans are known to be warriors in the ring, they don't run in a fight so expect this fight to be explosive as usual for Donaire and hope the old guy's hand will be raised after the fight.

Unfortunately, Santiago's style differs from Rigo's. He is an aggressive fighter, so I believe it will be hard for him to adapt to a new style and that will give Donaire a chance to execute his game plan effectively. Santiago is a warrior, unlike Rigo, and I believe he has the confidence to potentially knock out Donaire, so he will surely attack.

Taking a chance to aggressively push his way might be good if he converted his attacks.

For sure, it will be tough for both fighters as they'll going to fight each other without really knowledge of what to expect
from one another, surprise attacks or slow start, then attack aggressively when you already weight the opponents' capabilities.
More on how they review old fights and assess if what potential strategy will be executed during the fight.
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Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.

No doubt, Donaire and Santiago would earn a larger sum of money by being the undercard fight for Spence vs Crawford. In terms of hype, Donaire is already well-known, so he only needs a bit more exposure. It's actually Santiago who will be presented with a great opportunity because if he wins this fight, promoting his next fight would not be difficult.

The changes made to the fight should be appreciated as the promoters simply aim to make it a more successful event.
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Yeah it is on a bigger stage but sadly they are not the main event.

Regardless, even not a main event, what matter is, it's a title fight.

Not that really a big deal that from an expected main event, it will now be part of the undercard of the mega bout between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. Promoters did a great job here to boost the PPV sales after the changes happened on the original undercard list.

The main event is not just a unification bought but for the undisputed belts so it really deserves as the main event. And there is a possibility that Bud might take the pound-for-pound king status if he dominates and wins the fight.

But I would've preferred this fight as the main undercard since this is a title fight. It is still Pitbull Cruz against Giovanni Cabrera as the main supporting event though it is also a WBA and WBC eliminator. And the fact that Donaire is not a PBC fighter, it is not surprising that they prefer Pitbull to have better exposure leading into the main event.

I doubt Donaire will get a share of the PPV revenue but obviously, he gets a higher purse here rather than the earlier schedule which is why both he and Santiago have no problem moving their scheduled fight.

Looking forward for some historic victories by Donaire and Crawford. Oldest current champion, the oldest bantamweight champion ever for Donaire, and the first-ever 2-division undisputed champion in the 4-belt era for Crawford.

Sometimes, the promoters are after for the purse that they can get from the fight.
So yes, definitely, both camps are fine getting a new schedule and being undercard of the one of the most anticipated fights this year.
This will be a good selling point for Donaire's camp if he will win on this fight, and won't think of retiring from this sports if they will really get the belt.
Aside from the good publicity that they can get from this new sched, it may be a deciding factor for Donaire where to go next for his career.

For sure, all parties are okay in switching the schedule as they will be placed on a much wider slot, I mean even you are playing in
an undercard fight, but the main event is what the whole world is anticipated.

The publicities and the chance of gaining more viewers and fans that will solidize your career, I like to see both fighters being inspired
to come up with a toe-to-toe confrontations,.

Giving those live viewers a reason to watch them and have a closer look at the way they've fought. It's an opportunity for both Santiago
and Donaire to hype up their names, more chance to earn money if they earn the attention of more crowd/viewers.
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It may work, if Santiago will start slow and observe what style Donaire will use against him.

He might have that chance of beating Donaire if he will not engage in a toe-tot-toe confrontation, though it may boring the
fans if we will see more on defense with a lesser offense.

But, if that's the way how to win against the former champ, why not try your luck and use it? We will see what style
Santiago will use once the fight already takes place.

Santiago could emulate what Rido has done to Donaire when he beat the former, run, run and more running lol.

Rigo is a former Olympian (if my memory serves me right) and his speed is admirable so he could hit and run but i doubt Santiago could do the same, though i have not seen a fight of him but i speculate that he is not that fast.

Donaire is a counter-puncher and yeah, this fight will turn into a snore-feast if Santiago won't come out of his shell but i don't think he would do that as Mexicans are known to be warriors in the ring, they don't run in a fight so expect this fight to be explosive as usual for Donaire and hope the old guy's hand will be raised after the fight.

Unfortunately, Santiago's style differs from Rigo's. He is an aggressive fighter, so I believe it will be hard for him to adapt to a new style and that will give Donaire a chance to execute his game plan effectively. Santiago is a warrior, unlike Rigo, and I believe he has the confidence to potentially knock out Donaire, so he will surely attack.
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It may work, if Santiago will start slow and observe what style Donaire will use against him.

He might have that chance of beating Donaire if he will not engage in a toe-tot-toe confrontation, though it may boring the
fans if we will see more on defense with a lesser offense.

But, if that's the way how to win against the former champ, why not try your luck and use it? We will see what style
Santiago will use once the fight already takes place.

Santiago could emulate what Rido has done to Donaire when he beat the former, run, run and more running lol.

Rigo is a former Olympian (if my memory serves me right) and his speed is admirable so he could hit and run but i doubt Santiago could do the same, though i have not seen a fight of him but i speculate that he is not that fast.

Donaire is a counter-puncher and yeah, this fight will turn into a snore-feast if Santiago won't come out of his shell but i don't think he would do that as Mexicans are known to be warriors in the ring, they don't run in a fight so expect this fight to be explosive as usual for Donaire and hope the old guy's hand will be raised after the fight.
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Yeah it is on a bigger stage but sadly they are not the main event.

Regardless, even not a main event, what matter is, it's a title fight.

Not that really a big deal that from an expected main event, it will now be part of the undercard of the mega bout between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. Promoters did a great job here to boost the PPV sales after the changes happened on the original undercard list.

The main event is not just a unification bought but for the undisputed belts so it really deserves as the main event.

But I would've preferred this fight as the main undercard since this is a title fight. It is still Pitbull Cruz against Giovanni Cabrera as the main supporting event though it is also a WBA and WBC eliminator. And the fact that Donaire is not a PBC fighter, it is not surprising that they prefer Pitbull to have better exposure leading into the main event.

I doubt Donaire will get a share of the PPV revenue but obviously, he gets a higher purse here rather than the earlier schedule which is why both he and Santiago have no problem moving their scheduled fight.

Looking forward for some historic victories by Donaire and Crawford. Oldest current champion, the oldest bantamweight champion ever for Donaire, and the first-ever 2-division undisputed champion in the 4-belt era for Crawford.

We can say that all of this arrangements are well thought by the organizers and in their eyes, it is already the best cards they could give to the people who will watch the fight. And since that this fight is controlled by PBC and their network, it is understandable why they chose Pitbull's fight to be in the co-main event instead of Donaire vs Santiago.

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And there is a possibility that Bud might take the pound-for-pound king status if he dominates and wins the fight.

There is also a big possibility that Terence Crawford will be the first boxer ever to attain a two undisputed titles in two separate divisions.
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Yeah it is on a bigger stage but sadly they are not the main event.

Regardless, even not a main event, what matter is, it's a title fight.

Not that really a big deal that from an expected main event, it will now be part of the undercard of the mega bout between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. Promoters did a great job here to boost the PPV sales after the changes happened on the original undercard list.

The main event is not just a unification bought but for the undisputed belts so it really deserves as the main event. And there is a possibility that Bud might take the pound-for-pound king status if he dominates and wins the fight.

But I would've preferred this fight as the main undercard since this is a title fight. It is still Pitbull Cruz against Giovanni Cabrera as the main supporting event though it is also a WBA and WBC eliminator. And the fact that Donaire is not a PBC fighter, it is not surprising that they prefer Pitbull to have better exposure leading into the main event.

I doubt Donaire will get a share of the PPV revenue but obviously, he gets a higher purse here rather than the earlier schedule which is why both he and Santiago have no problem moving their scheduled fight.

Looking forward for some historic victories by Donaire and Crawford. Oldest current champion, the oldest bantamweight champion ever for Donaire, and the first-ever 2-division undisputed champion in the 4-belt era for Crawford.

Sometimes, the promoters are after for the purse that they can get from the fight.
So yes, definitely, both camps are fine getting a new schedule and being undercard of the one of the most anticipated fights this year.
This will be a good selling point for Donaire's camp if he will win on this fight, and won't think of retiring from this sports if they will really get the belt.
Aside from the good publicity that they can get from this new sched, it may be a deciding factor for Donaire where to go next for his career.
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Yeah it is on a bigger stage but sadly they are not the main event.

Regardless, even not a main event, what matter is, it's a title fight.

Not that really a big deal that from an expected main event, it will now be part of the undercard of the mega bout between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr. Promoters did a great job here to boost the PPV sales after the changes happened on the original undercard list.

The main event is not just a unification bought but for the undisputed belts so it really deserves as the main event. And there is a possibility that Bud might take the pound-for-pound king status if he dominates and wins the fight.

But I would've preferred this fight as the main undercard since this is a title fight. It is still Pitbull Cruz against Giovanni Cabrera as the main supporting event though it is also a WBA and WBC eliminator. And the fact that Donaire is not a PBC fighter, it is not surprising that they prefer Pitbull to have better exposure leading into the main event.

I doubt Donaire will get a share of the PPV revenue but obviously, he gets a higher purse here rather than the earlier schedule which is why both he and Santiago have no problem moving their scheduled fight.

Looking forward for some historic victories by Donaire and Crawford. Oldest current champion, the oldest bantamweight champion ever for Donaire, and the first-ever 2-division undisputed champion in the 4-belt era for Crawford.
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