[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 18.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 08, 2023, 06:57:00 AM

Anyways, several days ago I keep seeing from different sources that Donaire-Santiago for the WBC strap is already a go this coming July 15th. Hopefully, the venue is not in Mexico which would be advantageous to Santiago.

That's a valid point. If the fight takes place in Mexico, it's possible that the judges' decision could have an impact on the outcome. However, given that most of Donaire's wins have been through knockouts that advantage of Santiago will only be useless if this fight will end in Knock out.

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And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

Donaire becoming inactive is his own doing for staying loyal to Richard Schaefer the owner of former Probellum who's been under heavy fire from the US authorities and in some parts of the world. No fighters stopping him from trying to become a champion again and even Santiago and the other WBC top-ranked fighters do not want a delay as it will also delay their chances of getting a title shot or increasing their ratings.

Anyways, several days ago I keep seeing from different sources that Donaire-Santiago for the WBC strap is already a go this coming July 15th. Hopefully, the venue is not in Mexico which would be advantageous to Santiago.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 08, 2023, 03:12:39 AM

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

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Donaire may not be at his best shape, but he needs training and needs opportunities

We wouldn't know about his current form unless we see him fight. Based on what I've observed in all of Inoue's fights, he always appears to be in his best shape. However, there have been instances where he has lost due to his strategy not working against a superior boxer, such as Inoue. Nevertheless, against Santiago, who is not on the same level as Inoue, I am confident that Inoue will come out on top and win the fight. The only thing lacking for him now is the opportunity, and this fight should happen soon.

Yeah, I don't think it's the question of Donaire's shape, I mean he has been a boxer and knows how to win and part of it and to train hard. It's just really unfortunate that we haven't heard any updates on this fight, whether it will happen this year or not.

Inoue on the other hand, will have a perfect change at the new weight division when he goes against Fulton.

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on June 07, 2023, 10:29:42 PM

Donaire may not be at his best shape, but he needs training and needs opportunities

We wouldn't know about his current form unless we see him fight. Based on what I've observed in all of Inoue's fights, he always appears to be in his best shape. However, there have been instances where he has lost due to his strategy not working against a superior boxer, such as Inoue. Nevertheless, against Santiago, who is not on the same level as Inoue, I am confident that Inoue will come out on top and win the fight. The only thing lacking for him now is the opportunity, and this fight should happen soon.

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What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

What I sincerely see is a lot of work, I don't know if it's for the publicists themselves,or for the fighters themselves,if what they're really looking for is more vision on the part of the fans,as far as I'm concerned I think that this type of Things must be Resolved quickly in order to establish a more viable fight and finally let Donaire take action, many of us want to see him and show how much he talks because for me he is in Excellent shape, no matter how old he is,I see that it is Fine for a good Fight and that is what Matters.

Exactly, whatever it is, they needed to act now and work on pushing this fight.

I can follow you with your opinion regarding with Donaire, even he's not on his prime anymore, the winning chance is still possible
as he's still fit and his form is still good to compete.

A matter of how good the promoters and the negotiators are to bring the fight to the fans and market to potential sponsors to make
good money from this possible fight. More on how they will bring update and interest
with readers and fans who are waiting for the finalization if the fight will happen.

The only thing I can say is that now the fights are taking a lot into consideration to give young boxers more opportunities than to the more veteran ones, and that doesn't seem good to me , because everyone needs opportunities , of course , Donaire may not be at his best shape, but he needs training and needs opportunities, now so much protection from sponsors makes lops boxers very bad, just seeing the example that Spence gives of not wanting to face Crawford is just a sample of what a boxer with range can do It comes to be when his ego goes to his head, it makes him lose his sense of sport, a boxer in my opinion should never stop fighting , that's why Donaire needs his opportunity, his Opportunities.

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What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

What I sincerely see is a lot of work, I don't know if it's for the publicists themselves,or for the fighters themselves,if what they're really looking for is more vision on the part of the fans,as far as I'm concerned I think that this type of Things must be Resolved quickly in order to establish a more viable fight and finally let Donaire take action, many of us want to see him and show how much he talks because for me he is in Excellent shape, no matter how old he is,I see that it is Fine for a good Fight and that is what Matters.

Exactly, whatever it is, they needed to act now and work on pushing this fight.

I can follow you with your opinion regarding with Donaire, even he's not on his prime anymore, the winning chance is still possible
as he's still fit and his form is still good to compete.

A matter of how good the promoters and the negotiators are to bring the fight to the fans and market to potential sponsors to make
good money from this possible fight. More on how they will bring update and interest
with readers and fans who are waiting for the finalization if the fight will happen.

Doanire can still prove to us that he can be a champion one again and by winning his upcoming fights then without a doubt he can be a champion. Also the promoters want to make sure that this fight will be one of the greatest fight in boxing to gain more money. And if this happen for sure the tickets will be easily to sold out because this is the fight of an veteran that proves that Age doesn't yet matter as long us donaire can fight.

There's no doubt about Donaire despite his age now and that he can be a champion once again, but the problem is, when will they announce this fight as for sure many people are already curious about why this bout is taking so long to materialize or at least have some updates about the upcoming fight so that people can follow through instead of having some unanswered questions.

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What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

What I sincerely see is a lot of work, I don't know if it's for the publicists themselves,or for the fighters themselves,if what they're really looking for is more vision on the part of the fans,as far as I'm concerned I think that this type of Things must be Resolved quickly in order to establish a more viable fight and finally let Donaire take action, many of us want to see him and show how much he talks because for me he is in Excellent shape, no matter how old he is,I see that it is Fine for a good Fight and that is what Matters.

Exactly, whatever it is, they needed to act now and work on pushing this fight.

I can follow you with your opinion regarding with Donaire, even he's not on his prime anymore, the winning chance is still possible
as he's still fit and his form is still good to compete.

A matter of how good the promoters and the negotiators are to bring the fight to the fans and market to potential sponsors to make
good money from this possible fight. More on how they will bring update and interest
with readers and fans who are waiting for the finalization if the fight will happen.

Doanire can still prove to us that he can be a champion one again and by winning his upcoming fights then without a doubt he can be a champion. Also the promoters want to make sure that this fight will be one of the greatest fight in boxing to gain more money. And if this happen for sure the tickets will be easily to sold out because this is the fight of an veteran that proves that Age doesn't yet matter as long us donaire can fight.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 23, 2023, 04:45:12 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 05, 2023, 04:31:43 PM

What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

What I sincerely see is a lot of work, I don't know if it's for the publicists themselves,or for the fighters themselves,if what they're really looking for is more vision on the part of the fans,as far as I'm concerned I think that this type of Things must be Resolved quickly in order to establish a more viable fight and finally let Donaire take action, many of us want to see him and show how much he talks because for me he is in Excellent shape, no matter how old he is,I see that it is Fine for a good Fight and that is what Matters.

Exactly, whatever it is, they needed to act now and work on pushing this fight.

I can follow you with your opinion regarding with Donaire, even he's not on his prime anymore, the winning chance is still possible
as he's still fit and his form is still good to compete.

A matter of how good the promoters and the negotiators are to bring the fight to the fans and market to potential sponsors to make
good money from this possible fight. More on how they will bring update and interest
with readers and fans who are waiting for the finalization if the fight will happen.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 05, 2023, 04:31:43 PM

What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

What I sincerely see is a lot of work, I don't know if it's for the publicists themselves,or for the fighters themselves,if what they're really looking for is more vision on the part of the fans,as far as I'm concerned I think that this type of Things must be Resolved quickly in order to establish a more viable fight and finally let Donaire take action, many of us want to see him and show how much he talks because for me he is in Excellent shape, no matter how old he is,I see that it is Fine for a good Fight and that is what Matters.

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Not sure about the reason why this fight takes too long before they can settle it. If Probellum cannot make this fight happen as soon as possible, then Donaire is really in vain.

There is not much we can do at the moment except wait. However, if Donaire is unable to secure a fight this year, it might be a good idea for him to consider retirement. It appears that there may be some politics at play here, as other boxers with championship potential have already had their fights and emerged as champions, while Donaire's fight remains uncertain. Apart from the initial approval, no further information has been announced regarding his fight.

I guess it's also a good option if he can't secure a fight this year. He and her wife can focus on promoting business and help
other aspiring and potential fighters to grow in this sport.

Like what you mentioned, nothing that fans can do but to wait for any update or any smoke if there's something that is being done behind doors.

Let's see and wait for any good news if there's progress with this possible upcoming fight.

Well, if Nonito Donaire himself cannot find some way to force a fight then might as well he should start considering the retirement and hanging up his gloves to focus on what they've started with his wife because as time passes by, his chances to be a champion again gets lesser and lesser because it's not like he is still on his prime where he all have all the time in the world. And I'm positive that there's a lot of people as well that views the same opinion.

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Not sure about the reason why this fight takes too long before they can settle it. If Probellum cannot make this fight happen as soon as possible, then Donaire is really in vain.

There is not much we can do at the moment except wait. However, if Donaire is unable to secure a fight this year, it might be a good idea for him to consider retirement. It appears that there may be some politics at play here, as other boxers with championship potential have already had their fights and emerged as champions, while Donaire's fight remains uncertain. Apart from the initial approval, no further information has been announced regarding his fight.

I guess it's also a good option if he can't secure a fight this year. He and her wife can focus on promoting business and help
other aspiring and potential fighters to grow in this sport.

Like what you mentioned, nothing that fans can do but to wait for any update or any smoke if there's something that is being done behind doors.

Let's see and wait for any good news if there's progress with this possible upcoming fight.

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That's because Donaire doesn't struggle yet against any other boxers at 118 since fighting Naoya Inoue. Just for a recap, after suffering the defeat at the hands of Naoya
Donaire already has a limited time left in his career and then here's another obstacle. Aside from him being inactive already for a year. He should speak and tell Schaefer to let the other promotions do the job temporarily.

I think everything is clear with Donaire's promoter, Richard Shaefer is no longer with Probellum, so he has no connections with the supposedly financier of that company which is suspected to be tied with the Irish mafia. And if I'm not mistaken, Probellum has dissolved already or being taken by a different entity now.

But I do agree that it has been like months already and we haven't had anything from this fight, no news and everything is quiet from both sides that I suspect that this fight might not going to happen.

Yes, Probellum already ceased to operate. But literally, it won't make Schaefer automatically free from US suspicions. Because Probellum is Schaefer himself just like Eddie Hearn has full control of his own promotion, Matchroom Boxing. So whatever connections happened, it is because of Schaefer and he is obviously facing an investigation by now.

Maybe the WBC should provide a deadline for both camps to reach a deal. Or is Sulaiman paid not to pressure Donaire's camp just like the way he babysit Errol Spence?

Probably it really fall on the lap of the Sulaiman's, but if they are not doing anything so perhaps they are not into this fight, or at least there are no pressure for them to let this fighters be in the ring and have a belt or champion in their division.

As for the Probellum and Richard Schaefer saga, yeah, it might have a impact in the US, but we all know that Richard though has been in the business and could have done his due diligence before working with Probellum.

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That's because Donaire doesn't struggle yet against any other boxers at 118 since fighting Naoya Inoue. Just for a recap, after suffering the defeat at the hands of Naoya
Donaire already has a limited time left in his career and then here's another obstacle. Aside from him being inactive already for a year. He should speak and tell Schaefer to let the other promotions do the job temporarily.

I think everything is clear with Donaire's promoter, Richard Shaefer is no longer with Probellum, so he has no connections with the supposedly financier of that company which is suspected to be tied with the Irish mafia. And if I'm not mistaken, Probellum has dissolved already or being taken by a different entity now.

But I do agree that it has been like months already and we haven't had anything from this fight, no news and everything is quiet from both sides that I suspect that this fight might not going to happen.

Yes, Probellum already ceased to operate. But literally, it won't make Schaefer automatically free from US suspicions. Because Probellum is Schaefer himself just like Eddie Hearn has full control of his own promotion, Matchroom Boxing. So whatever connections happened, it is because of Schaefer and he is obviously facing an investigation by now.

Maybe the WBC should provide a deadline for both camps to reach a deal. Or is Sulaiman paid not to pressure Donaire's camp just like the way he babysit Errol Spence?

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 21, 2023, 01:01:10 PM

Not sure about the reason why this fight takes too long before they can settle it. If Probellum cannot make this fight happen as soon as possible, then Donaire is really in vain.

There is not much we can do at the moment except wait. However, if Donaire is unable to secure a fight this year, it might be a good idea for him to consider retirement. It appears that there may be some politics at play here, as other boxers with championship potential have already had their fights and emerged as champions, while Donaire's fight remains uncertain. Apart from the initial approval, no further information has been announced regarding his fight.

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Additionally, the fact that even young boxers are avoiding him indicates that he is still seen as a formidable opponent.

That's because Donaire doesn't struggle yet against any other boxers at 118 since fighting Naoya Inoue. Just for a recap, after suffering the defeat at the hands of Naoya Inoue on their first meetup, Donaire bounces back on his next couple of fights with an impressive 4th Round Knock Out at both, winning a championship belt and successfully defending it, respectively.

If Donaire won't be able to win against a boxer that's not even on the Top 5 rankings, it's time now to consider hanging his gloves. Not just because he can't able to cope now with the competition but losing this fight will also put him below rankings. If he continues to fight after losing, then maybe just for satisfaction only and extra money before retiring.

But before anything else, I don't think that Donaire will show struggling against Santiago. However, my concern is, the longer this fight is not materializing for real, the longer Donaire will remain inactive in the ring. Next month will mark his 1-year inactivity in the ring (June 7, 2002).

he really needs to get inside the ring as soon as possible. long inactivity may influence his actual performance inside the ring, even if we say, he's keeping up with the training. actual fight is different than the training. the fight itself is a gauge where he is now in terms of his strength and power. but donaire should think of hanging up his gloves very soon as he can still enjoy his retirement without any major health issues owed to boxing.

Moreover, there's no boxer or camp that will allow their boxer to be overly-trained because that don't mean a good thing on their side. The most common training regimen doesn't require or need a whole one year just to prepare for an upcoming fight, 3-4 month is already sufficient enough for a boxer to study and train for his foe so that fatigue will not be a factor in the boxer's body.

Not sure about the reason why this fight takes too long before they can settle it. If Probellum cannot make this fight happen as soon as possible, then Donaire is really in vain.

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Additionally, the fact that even young boxers are avoiding him indicates that he is still seen as a formidable opponent.

That's because Donaire doesn't struggle yet against any other boxers at 118 since fighting Naoya Inoue. Just for a recap, after suffering the defeat at the hands of Naoya Inoue on their first meetup, Donaire bounces back on his next couple of fights with an impressive 4th Round Knock Out at both, winning a championship belt and successfully defending it, respectively.

If Donaire won't be able to win against a boxer that's not even on the Top 5 rankings, it's time now to consider hanging his gloves. Not just because he can't able to cope now with the competition but losing this fight will also put him below rankings. If he continues to fight after losing, then maybe just for satisfaction only and extra money before retiring.

But before anything else, I don't think that Donaire will show struggling against Santiago. However, my concern is, the longer this fight is not materializing for real, the longer Donaire will remain inactive in the ring. Next month will mark his 1-year inactivity in the ring (June 7, 2002).

It's a shame that until now we are yet to hear an announcement about the date and venue of this fight. Luckily, corrupt WBC seems to respect Donaire a lot or maybe because the legend is the biggest name in the division right now which means bigger purse and bigger sanctioning fees.

In a perfect world, the WBC will give a deadline for both camps to agree on a deal otherwise a purse bid should happen. And if Donaire is not willing to commit due to his promoter Richard Schaefer then the Thailander which was supposed to be the real opponent of Donaire should be the one to face Santiago. The Thai had a schedule last February prompting the WBC to skip him temporarily. But it seems like he is more ready for a fight in June than Donaire. And I wonder why Donaire and his team are not giving updates. Maybe to cover up his promoter's issue with the US authorities or who knows it's not just in the US but in many parts of the world that are allied with the US.

Donaire already has a limited time left in his career and then here's another obstacle. Aside from him being inactive already for a year. He should speak and tell Schaefer to let the other promotions do the job temporarily.

I think everything is clear with Donaire's promoter, Richard Shaefer is no longer with Probellum, so he has no connections with the supposedly financier of that company which is suspected to be tied with the Irish mafia. And if I'm not mistaken, Probellum has dissolved already or being taken by a different entity now.

But I do agree that it has been like months already and we haven't had anything from this fight, no news and everything is quiet from both sides that I suspect that this fight might not going to happen.

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Quote from: harizen on May 20, 2023, 09:59:29 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 20, 2023, 07:42:44 AM

Additionally, the fact that even young boxers are avoiding him indicates that he is still seen as a formidable opponent.

That's because Donaire doesn't struggle yet against any other boxers at 118 since fighting Naoya Inoue. Just for a recap, after suffering the defeat at the hands of Naoya Inoue on their first meetup, Donaire bounces back on his next couple of fights with an impressive 4th Round Knock Out at both, winning a championship belt and successfully defending it, respectively.

If Donaire won't be able to win against a boxer that's not even on the Top 5 rankings, it's time now to consider hanging his gloves. Not just because he can't able to cope now with the competition but losing this fight will also put him below rankings. If he continues to fight after losing, then maybe just for satisfaction only and extra money before retiring.

But before anything else, I don't think that Donaire will show struggling against Santiago. However, my concern is, the longer this fight is not materializing for real, the longer Donaire will remain inactive in the ring. Next month will mark his 1-year inactivity in the ring (June 7, 2002).

he really needs to get inside the ring as soon as possible. long inactivity may influence his actual performance inside the ring, even if we say, he's keeping up with the training. actual fight is different than the training. the fight itself is a gauge where he is now in terms of his strength and power. but donaire should think of hanging up his gloves very soon as he can still enjoy his retirement without any major health issues owed to boxing.

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Additionally, the fact that even young boxers are avoiding him indicates that he is still seen as a formidable opponent.

That's because Donaire doesn't struggle yet against any other boxers at 118 since fighting Naoya Inoue. Just for a recap, after suffering the defeat at the hands of Naoya Inoue on their first meetup, Donaire bounces back on his next couple of fights with an impressive 4th Round Knock Out at both, winning a championship belt and successfully defending it, respectively.

If Donaire won't be able to win against a boxer that's not even on the Top 5 rankings, it's time now to consider hanging his gloves. Not just because he can't able to cope now with the competition but losing this fight will also put him below rankings. If he continues to fight after losing, then maybe just for satisfaction only and extra money before retiring.

But before anything else, I don't think that Donaire will show struggling against Santiago. However, my concern is, the longer this fight is not materializing for real, the longer Donaire will remain inactive in the ring. Next month will mark his 1-year inactivity in the ring (June 7, 2002).

It's a shame that until now we are yet to hear an announcement about the date and venue of this fight. Luckily, corrupt WBC seems to respect Donaire a lot or maybe because the legend is the biggest name in the division right now which means bigger purse and bigger sanctioning fees.

In a perfect world, the WBC will give a deadline for both camps to agree on a deal otherwise a purse bid should happen. And if Donaire is not willing to commit due to his promoter Richard Schaefer then the Thailander which was supposed to be the real opponent of Donaire should be the one to face Santiago. The Thai had a schedule last February prompting the WBC to skip him temporarily. But it seems like he is more ready for a fight in June than Donaire. And I wonder why Donaire and his team are not giving updates. Maybe to cover up his promoter's issue with the US authorities or who knows it's not just in the US but in many parts of the world that are allied with the US.

Donaire already has a limited time left in his career and then here's another obstacle. Aside from him being inactive already for a year. He should speak and tell Schaefer to let the other promotions do the job temporarily.

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