[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 20.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 13, 2023, 06:18:17 AM

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No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

Fans will be disappointed if we don't see a fight involving Donaire this year. Several fighters have already secured championship fights, and I don't want to see Donaire left behind, as he still has the potential to win a championship and possibly become an undisputed champion. According to reports, the fight has already been approved, so now we are simply waiting for information regarding the date and venue. We just need to be patient. If it doesn't happen in the first half of the year, we will likely see it in the second half.

We already see one belt that was vacated by Inoue, and that is the WBO belt winning against a Filipino in Vincent Astrolabio.

And so we need to see this one, I think of all the belts, I see as WBC have more weight as compare to the rest of the organization. So with that, they really need to have a champion right now and this fight has been mandated since the start of the year around February and up to now, we don't know the status if this is a go between the two or we will see some boxer as the likely opponent of Donaire and not Santiago.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on May 13, 2023, 06:09:33 AM

No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

Fans will be disappointed if we don't see a fight involving Donaire this year. Several fighters have already secured championship fights, and I don't want to see Donaire left behind, as he still has the potential to win a championship and possibly become an undisputed champion. According to reports, the fight has already been approved, so now we are simply waiting for information regarding the date and venue. We just need to be patient. If it doesn't happen in the first half of the year, we will likely see it in the second half.

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And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

Looking pretty good and just like what you said from that video, his fundamentals and the power may equal Donaire in terms of
skills and flexibility, but experienced wise, the advantage will remain the same.

Donaire will take his time to observe his opponent and will try to absorb the punching strength of his opponent, then will start to adjust with what strategy to work on in winning the fight.

Unless Santiago will surprise him and take the early attack with everything he got, that might work if the timing of speed and powerful combinations
Lands on Donaire and knocks him down. Still early to conclude, though, much better to see them fighting inside the ring.

All these talks and both camps in preparation, still there's no solid update regarding about this fight.

I seriously hope that Donaire will do something because for what it's worth, his time to retire and hang his gloves is getting near and near each time that passes by. He surely doesn't want to do that without taking a chance to be a champion once again and to have at least a nice exit before that time comes but by the looks of it now, it seems that this fight is in vain because of the Probellum's current problems.

He and his camps' needs to work it out regarding to this particular negotiation. As you mentioned, his time might be limited as he's already
aging and he might be close to retiring his gloves.

No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on May 11, 2023, 10:38:02 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on May 11, 2023, 03:20:49 AM

And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

Looking pretty good and just like what you said from that video, his fundamentals and the power may equal Donaire in terms of
skills and flexibility, but experienced wise, the advantage will remain the same.

Donaire will take his time to observe his opponent and will try to absorb the punching strength of his opponent, then will start to adjust with what strategy to work on in winning the fight.

Unless Santiago will surprise him and take the early attack with everything he got, that might work if the timing of speed and powerful combinations
Lands on Donaire and knocks him down. Still early to conclude, though, much better to see them fighting inside the ring.

All these talks and both camps in preparation, still there's no solid update regarding about this fight.

I seriously hope that Donaire will do something because for what it's worth, his time to retire and hang his gloves is getting near and near each time that passes by. He surely doesn't want to do that without taking a chance to be a champion once again and to have at least a nice exit before that time comes but by the looks of it now, it seems that this fight is in vain because of the Probellum's current problems.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 05, 2023, 04:31:43 PM

What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

I see. Thanks for sharing this insight mate!

Well, if those things are true which really makes sense now then Donaire might see himself fighting for the vacant belt after Schaefer finishes all the mess that is connected to the Probellum, and that will likely mean that their projected fight in Summer in US soil versus Santiago might not happen anytime sooner. Aside from that, I'm starting to think that it might be the reason why Jason Moloney backed out after receiving this kind of information and proceeded with the WBO belt instead.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 11, 2023, 03:20:49 AM

And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

Looking pretty good and just like what you said from that video, his fundamentals and the power may equal Donaire in terms of
skills and flexibility, but experienced wise, the advantage will remain the same.

Donaire will take his time to observe his opponent and will try to absorb the punching strength of his opponent, then will start to adjust with what strategy to work on in winning the fight.

Unless Santiago will surprise him and take the early attack with everything he got, that might work if the timing of speed and powerful combinations
Lands on Donaire and knocks him down. Still early to conclude, though, much better to see them fighting inside the ring.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 11, 2023, 03:20:49 AM

And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

Yes mate you are right that even though Alejandro has a power but nonito donaire is very difficult to fight as we all know as a counter puncher and more experience in fighting donaire in the first couple of rounds it seems that he is going to feel his opponent power and skills and if he already know it then there's a time to get back and find all the open shots of his opponent to make a counter punch. And we are all know that many times we see nonito donaire did that kind of strategy and won.

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Quote from: Jating on May 10, 2023, 04:49:48 PM

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What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

Yes, but Donaire is still with Richard Schaefer, so technically they can still work it out with Santiago's camp. It's not like when Probellum cease to exist, Donaire has not manager or no one stick to him. Richard is still managing him.

We've seen news of Donaire in the Philippines with Casimero, but not sure if he is on series training or just vacationing in the Philippines for that matter. Yeah, possible for Richard to reach to Al Haymon so that this fight can happen this year.

Richard Schaefer is the promoter mate and he doesn't own a manager's license because it is prohibited to have both in the US. Rachel Donaire is Nonito's manager. Schaefer was Probellum just like Eddie Hearn is Matchroom. If Probellum was linked with the Kinahans then so is Schaefer. Maybe Schaefer is still busy clearing his name after already closing Probellum earlier.

I don't know what's the hold with Donaire on Schaefer. His contract was already invalid and he can sign with other promoters for even at least a single fight only if he wants to come back to Schafer once his name is cleared. Ex Probellum world champions Regis Prograis and Sunny Edwards have moved on already and went on to sign with Matchroom and are now scheduled to defend their belts. Maybe Donaire don't want to leave as he felt indebted to Schaefer who picked him up just when everybody thought his career is done.

I believe Donaire is already training in Cebu, Philippines just like Casimero. I assume Al Haymon is ready to help, PBC would not exist anyways if not for Schaefer. But there is also the possibility that the networks, sponsors, commissions, or even US authorities, in general, are not allowing this to happen unless Scahefer's name is cleared.

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And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 05, 2023, 04:31:43 PM

What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

Yes, but Donaire is still with Richard Schaefer, so technically they can still work it out with Santiago's camp. It's not like when Probellum cease to exist, Donaire has not manager or no one stick to him. Richard is still managing him.

We've seen news of Donaire in the Philippines with Casimero, but not sure if he is on series training or just vacationing in the Philippines for that matter. Yeah, possible for Richard to reach to Al Haymon so that this fight can happen this year.

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What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 04, 2023, 01:24:28 PM

So they really be pushing for this, as we have been discussing, age is a big factor for Nonito. Admit it or not, he is aging and at 40 years olds, should not be fighter anymore because their could be health concerns in the future.

Yup, at his age there are many possible complications, which he needed to consider,

Though I can also see that it's more about the passion that he wanted to pursue, having the belt back plus the consideration that
he will earn decently as he's on the A-side and possible to have bigger cut with the possible profits.

We will just wait for any updates and any announcement that will be provided by either from both camps or from the
promoters to start promoting the possible date of these upcoming fights.

Apparently, up until now, both camps are still on the talks to make this fight in reality.

I don't know what is up but there should be no hurdles along the way because this fight is not that big and Nonito Donaire is just picking boxers down the line because the higher ups are already having their own respective fights in other vacated belts.

It seems to me the Santiago is buying some time because he knows that the more he can buy some time, the more his chances to upset the favorite. I mean, we cannot blame these boxers to take an easier path because becoming a champion really got some perks.

It that is the case, and then WBC should go and get the next high rank boxers in their organization to face Nonito for the vacate belt. No need to stall this fight in his part, he will have equal chances to win the vacated belt so it doesn't make sense for him and his camp to act like that.

And on the contrary, it will be a honor for Santiago to face the legendary Nonito for the title.

It's like 3 months already, taking this long as I have said might have a negative effect on Donaire.

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Quote from: Pamadar on May 05, 2023, 10:22:04 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 04, 2023, 01:24:28 PM

So they really be pushing for this, as we have been discussing, age is a big factor for Nonito. Admit it or not, he is aging and at 40 years olds, should not be fighter anymore because their could be health concerns in the future.

Yup, at his age there are many possible complications, which he needed to consider,

Though I can also see that it's more about the passion that he wanted to pursue, having the belt back plus the consideration that
he will earn decently as he's on the A-side and possible to have bigger cut with the possible profits.

We will just wait for any updates and any announcement that will be provided by either from both camps or from the
promoters to start promoting the possible date of these upcoming fights.

Apparently, up until now, both camps are still on the talks to make this fight in reality.

I don't know what is up but there should be no hurdles along the way because this fight is not that big and Nonito Donaire is just picking boxers down the line because the higher ups are already having their own respective fights in other vacated belts.

It seems to me the Santiago is buying some time because he knows that the more he can buy some time, the more his chances to upset the favorite. I mean, we cannot blame these boxers to take an easier path because becoming a champion really got some perks.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 04, 2023, 01:24:28 PM

So they really be pushing for this, as we have been discussing, age is a big factor for Nonito. Admit it or not, he is aging and at 40 years olds, should not be fighter anymore because their could be health concerns in the future.

Yup, at his age there are many possible complications, which he needed to consider,

Though I can also see that it's more about the passion that he wanted to pursue, having the belt back plus the consideration that
he will earn decently as he's on the A-side and possible to have bigger cut with the possible profits.

We will just wait for any updates and any announcement that will be provided by either from both camps or from the
promoters to start promoting the possible date of these upcoming fights.

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Quote from: Pamadar on May 04, 2023, 09:18:22 AM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2023, 06:18:01 AM

In any case, there are still no updates on this fight, the governing body has approved this fight in February if I'm not mistaken. And we don't know what's really holding up, who's side is stalling the fight or if there is an actual negotiations from behind.

Some boxing forums that I visited also was waiting for this fight to happen, but so far no words.

Yes, there's no update yet as to when this fight will happen. But since it's already approved, I think the promoters are just trying to find the best timing so they can generate enough profit from this specific fight. Just be patient and optimistic that it will happen this year.

Nothing that we can do, as it's not just a sport but also a business,

we don't have anything yet as like what you mentioned. Timing is very important as promoters also aim for a good amount of profits
before they will conclude the date and the venue for this possible upcoming fight.
Let see if what will be the next update if there's something that the handlers can provide. I'm seeking for Donaire's camp to push
this and bring any update for his another tour to bring the belt back into his possessions.

As far as I know, venues are being reserved in advance by this promoters, so that when they have a fight in schedule, they will have already a place to held it. But yeah, I do agree that timing should be right so that they can earn huge amount of money. But in this case, Nonito is in the A-side, so he can command good money and purse split so be in his favor.

So they really be pushing for this, as we have been discussing, age is a big factor for Nonito. Admit it or not, he is aging and at 40 years olds, should not be fighter anymore because their could be health concerns in the future.

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Quote from: Pamadar on May 04, 2023, 09:18:22 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 04, 2023, 07:21:32 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2023, 06:18:01 AM

In any case, there are still no updates on this fight, the governing body has approved this fight in February if I'm not mistaken. And we don't know what's really holding up, who's side is stalling the fight or if there is an actual negotiations from behind.

Some boxing forums that I visited also was waiting for this fight to happen, but so far no words.

Yes, there's no update yet as to when this fight will happen. But since it's already approved, I think the promoters are just trying to find the best timing so they can generate enough profit from this specific fight. Just be patient and optimistic that it will happen this year.

Nothing that we can do, as it's not just a sport but also a business,

we don't have anything yet as like what you mentioned. Timing is very important as promoters also aim for a good amount of profits
before they will conclude the date and the venue for this possible upcoming fight.
Let see if what will be the next update if there's something that the handlers can provide. I'm seeking for Donaire's camp to push
this and bring any update for his another tour to bring the belt back into his possessions.

Boxing is business so it would be normal that promoters would really be minding about the best timing on giving some dates on when this fight would push through.It is really that something annoying if you are
excited on a fight but later on we havent seen any updates or news for it to be proceeding but somewhat i do able to redirect out my interest or attention into that Inoue vs Fulton
on upcoming months to come which i could clearly say that it is already that fixed but of course it would be depending if there would be some another
accident. Grin

For now, we dont really have no choice but to wait up until further notice specially for those Donaire fans out there. This man could still give some nasty power shots
but not really that as fast comparing into his prime but im still rotting for this guy.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on May 04, 2023, 07:21:32 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2023, 06:18:01 AM

In any case, there are still no updates on this fight, the governing body has approved this fight in February if I'm not mistaken. And we don't know what's really holding up, who's side is stalling the fight or if there is an actual negotiations from behind.

Some boxing forums that I visited also was waiting for this fight to happen, but so far no words.

Yes, there's no update yet as to when this fight will happen. But since it's already approved, I think the promoters are just trying to find the best timing so they can generate enough profit from this specific fight. Just be patient and optimistic that it will happen this year.

Nothing that we can do, as it's not just a sport but also a business,

we don't have anything yet as like what you mentioned. Timing is very important as promoters also aim for a good amount of profits
before they will conclude the date and the venue for this possible upcoming fight.
Let see if what will be the next update if there's something that the handlers can provide. I'm seeking for Donaire's camp to push
this and bring any update for his another tour to bring the belt back into his possessions.

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Well, in that part you have a complete reason, I saw that fight with the full intention that Pacquiao could give one of those explosive Demonstrations to which we were Accustomed, but I don't know what happened to the Filipino, maybe at that moment it was not thinking more in politics than in anything else, that fight was really a shame, I'm sure that if Pacquiao had Trained a little harder he would have won the fight easily, there are times when athletes trust only their talent and don't train or not they work to improve and be more efficient, and things like that happen.

He mentioned that he was having problems with his foot after the fight, which affected his movement. Pacquiao is known for his quickness, but he wasn't as quick when he fought Ugas, so it's clear that he was telling the truth. However, upsets can happen in boxing, so we can't discount the possibility that Donaire could lose for any number of reasons.

Yes, is that Pacquiao shouldn't have fought like that, also at that moment Ugas could beat him, and then when Pacquiao lost to him, the frustration of feeling that age was not helping him, that there is much more competition, that he gave up winning from a boxer who was not so Famous,that partly makes a boxer say or say himself that he is no longer the same as before,and that Influenced him to retire, it is not necessary to do an interview to see what It actually went through his head in his thoughts, more or less I think that would be what he concluded, and it is easier to do ezexhibition fights.

Apart from the foot problems that he was facing, at that time, Manny Pacquiao was already busy on his schedule as in the same time, he was also campaigning for the presidential seat in the Philippines which gave him a fewer time to prepare against Ugas instead having a long-break to only focus on his preparations towards his incoming fight.

Which did not really him a lot towards in the day of the fight because Yordenis Ugas successfully upset the Filipino champ and took the WBA Super World belt with him.

We can't remove that fact as seeing him fighting that day he knows that he still can do it but his body is not moving the way he wanted, age factor and the predation and focus is not in the same level since there are many things inside his mind.

The loss is something that he admits and accepts though for sure there's regret as knowing Pacquiao he always wanted to please the fans who supporting him throughout of his career.

But he cannot control the outcome as Ugas performs well and absorbs all those power combinations from Pacquiao.

We could speculate and all that maybe a different outcome will exist if ever Manny Pacquiao given despite his age doesn't have that much stress on thinking about the presidential race and his focus were not really divided, and only have his eyes towards the preparation for his fight against Ugas. But that is not what happened and Ugas certainly deserved all the credits for defeating the Filipino champion which was envied by many because not all boxers have the right skill to bring down Pacquiao or even got the chances to face and fight Pacquiao in the ring.

The problem with that is Pacquaio's camp didn't expect that this fight will go to Ugas since originally they are into Spence that's why they miss to study the weakness of his opponent and the result end up bad for Pacquaio. But still credit all goes to Ugas since he really dominate Pacquaio at that match since we really see how bad the situation of the champ goes on in the hands of Ugas. Many fans says that its given since Pacquao is out of his prime but we should really need to consider that he's still the 8 time division champ which still capable to knock him off if Ugas commit a mistake on that match.

Yes you are right that mate and every fighter will loss if that's gonna happen like you said it suppose to be spence fighting pacman but within 1 week to go then the fight will happen then there's a changes and spence decided to back out and that's thy Ugas will take place and fight against manny and we all know that for pacman he don't have enough time to study the fighting skills of Ugas that's why he loss.

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Well, in that part you have a complete reason, I saw that fight with the full intention that Pacquiao could give one of those explosive Demonstrations to which we were Accustomed, but I don't know what happened to the Filipino, maybe at that moment it was not thinking more in politics than in anything else, that fight was really a shame, I'm sure that if Pacquiao had Trained a little harder he would have won the fight easily, there are times when athletes trust only their talent and don't train or not they work to improve and be more efficient, and things like that happen.

He mentioned that he was having problems with his foot after the fight, which affected his movement. Pacquiao is known for his quickness, but he wasn't as quick when he fought Ugas, so it's clear that he was telling the truth. However, upsets can happen in boxing, so we can't discount the possibility that Donaire could lose for any number of reasons.

Yes, is that Pacquiao shouldn't have fought like that, also at that moment Ugas could beat him, and then when Pacquiao lost to him, the frustration of feeling that age was not helping him, that there is much more competition, that he gave up winning from a boxer who was not so Famous,that partly makes a boxer say or say himself that he is no longer the same as before,and that Influenced him to retire, it is not necessary to do an interview to see what It actually went through his head in his thoughts, more or less I think that would be what he concluded, and it is easier to do ezexhibition fights.

Apart from the foot problems that he was facing, at that time, Manny Pacquiao was already busy on his schedule as in the same time, he was also campaigning for the presidential seat in the Philippines which gave him a fewer time to prepare against Ugas instead having a long-break to only focus on his preparations towards his incoming fight.

Which did not really him a lot towards in the day of the fight because Yordenis Ugas successfully upset the Filipino champ and took the WBA Super World belt with him.

We can't remove that fact as seeing him fighting that day he knows that he still can do it but his body is not moving the way he wanted, age factor and the predation and focus is not in the same level since there are many things inside his mind.

The loss is something that he admits and accepts though for sure there's regret as knowing Pacquiao he always wanted to please the fans who supporting him throughout of his career.

But he cannot control the outcome as Ugas performs well and absorbs all those power combinations from Pacquiao.

We could speculate and all that maybe a different outcome will exist if ever Manny Pacquiao given despite his age doesn't have that much stress on thinking about the presidential race and his focus were not really divided, and only have his eyes towards the preparation for his fight against Ugas. But that is not what happened and Ugas certainly deserved all the credits for defeating the Filipino champion which was envied by many because not all boxers have the right skill to bring down Pacquiao or even got the chances to face and fight Pacquiao in the ring.

The problem with that is Pacquaio's camp didn't expect that this fight will go to Ugas since originally they are into Spence that's why they miss to study the weakness of his opponent and the result end up bad for Pacquaio. But still credit all goes to Ugas since he really dominate Pacquaio at that match since we really see how bad the situation of the champ goes on in the hands of Ugas. Many fans says that its given since Pacquao is out of his prime but we should really need to consider that he's still the 8 time division champ which still capable to knock him off if Ugas commit a mistake on that match.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2023, 06:18:01 AM

^^ Lol, it turns out to be Manny Pacquiao now?

Not really, but we can't avoid bringing up Manny Pacquiao's name here as he has been the best example of a successful boxer in the Philippines. Of course, we also want Donaire to be successful in boxing.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 04, 2023, 06:18:01 AM

In any case, there are still no updates on this fight, the governing body has approved this fight in February if I'm not mistaken. And we don't know what's really holding up, who's side is stalling the fight or if there is an actual negotiations from behind.

Some boxing forums that I visited also was waiting for this fight to happen, but so far no words.

Yes, there's no update yet as to when this fight will happen. But since it's already approved, I think the promoters are just trying to find the best timing so they can generate enough profit from this specific fight. Just be patient and optimistic that it will happen this year.

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