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^ We have the same choice, I think or it will be sure that Gaballo here will definitely be an underdog in this match.

I think it should be Donaire that should be the underdog in this match. Despite that he's popular and also well known, Gaballo's record is good with zero losses.
And even Donaire has a lot of fights already, he has 6 losses. This is just my opinion about this match if looking at their professional records, only 4 fights out of 24 fights of Gaballo were not knockout. That's a good percentage for his entire career.

But Donaire has a huge win in his last fight against Ouballi and that alone is enough for crypto bookies to put him as the big favorite in his fight. And obviously he is still the A-side here, regardless if he has 6 losses or not.

Gaballo on the other hand, is not well recognized, even for Filipino boxing fans. And he has a so-so performance against Rodriguez in his last fight, won by a split decision and there are debate that the decision should be the other way around.

I agree, even Gaballo has a good boxing record and still undefeated, he is not quite popular. Unlike Donaire that is well-known despite of having losses on his past fight, he redeemed his boxing career for his agressive performance against Ouballi. Though we cant underestimate Gaballo, hence this fight is somehow unpredicted because they're both a good boxers.

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^ We have the same choice, I think or it will be sure that Gaballo here will definitely be an underdog in this match.

I think it should be Donaire that should be the underdog in this match. Despite that he's popular and also well known, Gaballo's record is good with zero losses.
And even Donaire has a lot of fights already, he has 6 losses. This is just my opinion about this match if looking at their professional records, only 4 fights out of 24 fights of Gaballo were not knockout. That's a good percentage for his entire career.

But Donaire has a huge win in his last fight against Ouballi and that alone is enough for crypto bookies to put him as the big favorite in his fight. And obviously he is still the A-side here, regardless if he has 6 losses or not.

Gaballo on the other hand, is not well recognized, even for Filipino boxing fans. And he has a so-so performance against Rodriguez in his last fight, won by a split decision and there are debate that the decision should be the other way around.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on October 02, 2021, 05:51:10 PM

^ We have the same choice, I think or it will be sure that Gaballo here will definitely be an underdog in this match.

I think it should be Donaire that should be the underdog in this match. Despite that he's popular and also well known, Gaballo's record is good with zero losses.
And even Donaire has a lot of fights already, he has 6 losses. This is just my opinion about this match if looking at their professional records, only 4 fights out of 24 fights of Gaballo were not knockout. That's a good percentage for his entire career.

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I'm looking for Donaire to win but also a bit of concern that Gaballo will now have its first loss. In the end, I like Gaballo instead to win because it's his era now. If Gaballo wins, another Filipino boxer will be more popular again. More opportunities will come and might be Gaballo's ticket for a much bigger fight. Donaire already achieved his dream. It's the time now for a young boxer to enter the high stage. Donaire doesn't need to prove something. He is a reputable boxer for Pinoy boxing fans.

If there's someone who will be popular to follow the footstep of Donaire, I don't think it will be Gaballo, yes, he is still young but he doesn't have the skills yet that could be a champion and would beat the best in the Division, especially Inoue.

Pacquiao was beating Mexican champions during his prime, but this time it's Inoue who are beating Filipino boxers, and it needs to stop and I don't think Gaballo would be able to do that.

We cant make out conclusions but we cant really deny that there are really times that we do need to consider out someone who do have some good fight milestone and of course their boxing styles and achievements.

I would rather bet on Casimero than with Gaballo but lets see on what this boxer could show off something on this upcoming fight against with Donaire if there would be some upset that would happen.
Really hard to make out conclusions but its really hard to believe on that Donaire would be taken down easily.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 01, 2021, 07:59:39 PM

I'm looking for Donaire to win but also a bit of concern that Gaballo will now have its first loss. In the end, I like Gaballo instead to win because it's his era now. If Gaballo wins, another Filipino boxer will be more popular again. More opportunities will come and might be Gaballo's ticket for a much bigger fight. Donaire already achieved his dream. It's the time now for a young boxer to enter the high stage. Donaire doesn't need to prove something. He is a reputable boxer for Pinoy boxing fans.

^ We have the same choice, I think or it will be sure that Gaballo here will definitely be an underdog in this match.
Gaballo is an unpopular boxer not like Donaire, but there is nothing he can do is to fight to protect his belt. As far as I can see, there are too many boxing Filipino who have been successful have won. In the gambling industry, it seems all of them have come from the Philippines.
However, Donaire should not be too confidence because there is a chance that Gabalo would nebe

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I'm looking for Donaire to win but also a bit of concern that Gaballo will now have its first loss. In the end, I like Gaballo instead to win because it's his era now. If Gaballo wins, another Filipino boxer will be more popular again. More opportunities will come and might be Gaballo's ticket for a much bigger fight. Donaire already achieved his dream. It's the time now for a young boxer to enter the high stage. Donaire doesn't need to prove something. He is a reputable boxer for Pinoy boxing fans.

If there's someone who will be popular to follow the footstep of Donaire, I don't think it will be Gaballo, yes, he is still young but he doesn't have the skills yet that could be a champion and would beat the best in the Division, especially Inoue.

Pacquiao was beating Mexican champions during his prime, but this time it's Inoue who are beating Filipino boxers, and it needs to stop and I don't think Gaballo would be able to do that.

There are many rising young boxers in the Philippines, Casimero is still young, at least IMO I will consider him young and still in his prime now, so I would just count on one boxer for now and if he continues to impress the fans, then he would likely be the next Manny Pacquiao but would never reach at 8 Division world champion.

There's still one hindrance for Casimero now, he has to beat the beast and he will become the king of the bantamweight division.
Imagine, beating the top 2 in the pound for pound list, I guess the world will be talking about him, and with his trash talking style, it's easy for him to get noticed.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 01, 2021, 07:59:39 PM

I'm looking for Donaire to win but also a bit of concern that Gaballo will now have its first loss. In the end, I like Gaballo instead to win because it's his era now. If Gaballo wins, another Filipino boxer will be more popular again. More opportunities will come and might be Gaballo's ticket for a much bigger fight. Donaire already achieved his dream. It's the time now for a young boxer to enter the high stage. Donaire doesn't need to prove something. He is a reputable boxer for Pinoy boxing fans.

If there's someone who will be popular to follow the footstep of Donaire, I don't think it will be Gaballo, yes, he is still young but he doesn't have the skills yet that could be a champion and would beat the best in the Division, especially Inoue.

Pacquiao was beating Mexican champions during his prime, but this time it's Inoue who are beating Filipino boxers, and it needs to stop and I don't think Gaballo would be able to do that.

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I'm looking for Donaire to win but also a bit of concern that Gaballo will now have its first loss. In the end, I like Gaballo instead to win because it's his era now. If Gaballo wins, another Filipino boxer will be more popular again. More opportunities will come and might be Gaballo's ticket for a much bigger fight. Donaire already achieved his dream. It's the time now for a young boxer to enter the high stage. Donaire doesn't need to prove something. He is a reputable boxer for Pinoy boxing fans.

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If it's about stamina, Donaire is sure knows his disadvantages now that he's out of his prime. But referring to his match against Naoya Inoue, he is fighting like he's not a veteran already. In names, Inoue is far more challenging compare to Gaballo. Donaire just needs to stay on the status where he fought Inoue and apply that strategy in beating Gaballo.

Who knows Donaire will be the first one to damage Gaballos' clean record.

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Quote from: markdario112616 on October 01, 2021, 06:44:06 PM

I as well agree, that when Donaire's cut short with his stamina he became frustrated and will throw punches without combinations. Like he'll be the aggressor, or some sort.

Donaire as always gas out on the late rounds. He usually throw a lot of combinations in the early rounds thus gassing him out gradually. He is a kind of fighter who's aiming to finish his opponent early because he might have a huge chance of lossing once the fight go further until 12 rounds.
Gaballo's camp surely knew this one and this could be their advantage.

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Gaballo would not gonna make the fight last because his style is aggressive boxing, he doesn't have the jabs, his aim is to KO his opponent early on and with that, I can say that they have the same goal with Donaire. If Gaballo changes style, then maybe we might see this a long bout and could be on his advantage as the aging Donaire might get frustrated and will loss his stamina, however, beating Donaire is easier said than done.

Counter puncher like Donaire would really be most likely to prefer on aggressive fighters because we know that counter punches can really be seen with these kind of moments or shall we say its the exact
times on where these counterpunches would really be relevant.

Stamina is something an issue to Donaire but we have seen on how he lasted up until 12 rounds against Inoue which simply means that this one wont really be an easy thing for Gaballo.

He would really need tooo have something on at least able to be on par with this upcoming fight on an opponent which is good at speed and counter punch.

He can last in 12 rounds but based on the past results, he lost most of the fights if it last in 12 rounds, so that's the strategy Gaballo's camp should study. Donaire is a knockout artist, his opponent cannot be careless as one mistake, the fight might be over. Gaballo will be the underdog for sure, and as I see on this kid, he is not mentally tough to face a high-caliber champion.

I'd agree I've seen Donaire's last 12 rounded fights and It seems he can stand up to the last round but minimal punches are being thrown once the fight reaches 7th or 8th round. Technically, He'll last but then it would be around 70-30% Donaire will lose via split or UD.

Gaballo is an aggressive fighter hence an advantage to Donaire as he's a counter puncher, with deadly combinations. Though, it will be up to Gaballo's camp if they'll try to finish the fight early or to adjust with Donaire's strategy.

I as well agree, that when Donaire's cut short with his stamina he became frustrated and will throw punches without combinations. Like he'll be the aggressor, or some sort.

Surely, Gaballo's camp was well aware of that and discussing things about how to beat Donaire.

The question for Donaire being lasted for 12 rounds is not a big factor and should not be a source of strategy. What matters there is, to think of countering Donaire's usual strategy.

Donaire even at his age, is still quick and aggressive. That's where Gaballos skills will be tested because he is also an aggressive fighter.

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Well what you say I totally support it, Donaire has a lot of experience, besides 38 years does not mean that everything is lost, I like the analogy with Pacquiao, in part the experience can do much more than youth, and in this case the preparation of Donaire must be on another level, I think this boxer does not take into account his age, as he fights, he does not seem 38 but 30 and experience in boxing is a great factor in his favor.

Of course Donaire's resistance may fail him, but in his blows he is usually very accurate and with great damage, I believe that Gaballo, despite being in very good shape, is still not at Donaire's level ... But this The fight will be very interesting, this time I am more sure that Donaire will win.

I Also agree with that, Donaire is a silent but very deadly when he start to counter and o his attack, for sure there's a different preparation knowing that Gabllo is more younger than him, Remember how he fought Inoue even he loses that fight but the damage he made to Inoue, if that landed punches will also convert to Gabllo, this guy is in great danger.

We will see everything when both of them already inside the ring, just hope to see a decent and safe fight..

Yes, what happens is that Inoue for me is on another level, he is one of the fighters who have very good technique, at this moment for me the one who has the most opportunity is him, in fact the statistics can change but the experience that he has it is unique. According to all the problem that occurred in another supposed fight with Donaire, it was for me political issues of boxing that he cannot face his fight against Casimero for now.In fact, you have to see what is the trend or what are the ideas that they want to implement in Boxing or what kind of show they want to give, as you say, I hope the fight is decent and the sport triumphs more than politics and the business model that has always been in boxing, where it is negotiated with high volumes of money.

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Gaballo would not gonna make the fight last because his style is aggressive boxing, he doesn't have the jabs, his aim is to KO his opponent early on and with that, I can say that they have the same goal with Donaire. If Gaballo changes style, then maybe we might see this a long bout and could be on his advantage as the aging Donaire might get frustrated and will loss his stamina, however, beating Donaire is easier said than done.

Counter puncher like Donaire would really be most likely to prefer on aggressive fighters because we know that counter punches can really be seen with these kind of moments or shall we say its the exact
times on where these counterpunches would really be relevant.

Stamina is something an issue to Donaire but we have seen on how he lasted up until 12 rounds against Inoue which simply means that this one wont really be an easy thing for Gaballo.

He would really need tooo have something on at least able to be on par with this upcoming fight on an opponent which is good at speed and counter punch.

He can last in 12 rounds but based on the past results, he lost most of the fights if it last in 12 rounds, so that's the strategy Gaballo's camp should study. Donaire is a knockout artist, his opponent cannot be careless as one mistake, the fight might be over. Gaballo will be the underdog for sure, and as I see on this kid, he is not mentally tough to face a high-caliber champion.

I'd agree I've seen Donaire's last 12 rounded fights and It seems he can stand up to the last round but minimal punches are being thrown once the fight reaches 7th or 8th round. Technically, He'll last but then it would be around 70-30% Donaire will lose via split or UD.

Gaballo is an aggressive fighter hence an advantage to Donaire as he's a counter puncher, with deadly combinations. Though, it will be up to Gaballo's camp if they'll try to finish the fight early or to adjust with Donaire's strategy.

I as well agree, that when Donaire's cut short with his stamina he became frustrated and will throw punches without combinations. Like he'll be the aggressor, or some sort.

He had able to last up with Inoue which is a power puncher in 12 rounds which basically means that he could last on this upcoming fight too but we aren't blind that those last rounds or later rounds

become too tough for Donaire and its true that combinations become sucks and footsteps are already flat so they might be seeing this as a flaw for Donaire which they could

study and make out some possible strategy to take some advantage but well Donaire is pretty aware with that stamina problem.

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Gaballo would not gonna make the fight last because his style is aggressive boxing, he doesn't have the jabs, his aim is to KO his opponent early on and with that, I can say that they have the same goal with Donaire. If Gaballo changes style, then maybe we might see this a long bout and could be on his advantage as the aging Donaire might get frustrated and will loss his stamina, however, beating Donaire is easier said than done.

Counter puncher like Donaire would really be most likely to prefer on aggressive fighters because we know that counter punches can really be seen with these kind of moments or shall we say its the exact
times on where these counterpunches would really be relevant.

Stamina is something an issue to Donaire but we have seen on how he lasted up until 12 rounds against Inoue which simply means that this one wont really be an easy thing for Gaballo.

He would really need tooo have something on at least able to be on par with this upcoming fight on an opponent which is good at speed and counter punch.

He can last in 12 rounds but based on the past results, he lost most of the fights if it last in 12 rounds, so that's the strategy Gaballo's camp should study. Donaire is a knockout artist, his opponent cannot be careless as one mistake, the fight might be over. Gaballo will be the underdog for sure, and as I see on this kid, he is not mentally tough to face a high-caliber champion.

I'd agree I've seen Donaire's last 12 rounded fights and It seems he can stand up to the last round but minimal punches are being thrown once the fight reaches 7th or 8th round. Technically, He'll last but then it would be around 70-30% Donaire will lose via split or UD.

Gaballo is an aggressive fighter hence an advantage to Donaire as he's a counter puncher, with deadly combinations. Though, it will be up to Gaballo's camp if they'll try to finish the fight early or to adjust with Donaire's strategy.

I as well agree, that when Donaire's cut short with his stamina he became frustrated and will throw punches without combinations. Like he'll be the aggressor, or some sort.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 01, 2021, 04:51:48 PM

Gaballo will be the underdog for sure, and as I see on this kid, he is not mentally tough to face a high-caliber champion.

Don't judge the book by its cover (or what "cover" did you see to assume that?). It's hard for me to think that Gaballo doesn't have that mentality with that 24 wins on his record without a loss and 20 on it as KnockOut. Although we can say that those 24 boxers he defeated are nothing against Donaire, Gaballo will surely prepare himself to win over the veteran Donaire.

There's no date for the match and that's good preparation for Gaballo to be trained for long, not just physically but to conditioned his mind mentally. An underdog that does seem to have the chance of winning the fight.

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Gaballo would not gonna make the fight last because his style is aggressive boxing, he doesn't have the jabs, his aim is to KO his opponent early on and with that, I can say that they have the same goal with Donaire. If Gaballo changes style, then maybe we might see this a long bout and could be on his advantage as the aging Donaire might get frustrated and will loss his stamina, however, beating Donaire is easier said than done.

Counter puncher like Donaire would really be most likely to prefer on aggressive fighters because we know that counter punches can really be seen with these kind of moments or shall we say its the exact
times on where these counterpunches would really be relevant.

Stamina is something an issue to Donaire but we have seen on how he lasted up until 12 rounds against Inoue which simply means that this one wont really be an easy thing for Gaballo.

He would really need tooo have something on at least able to be on par with this upcoming fight on an opponent which is good at speed and counter punch.

He can last in 12 rounds but based on the past results, he lost most of the fights if it last in 12 rounds, so that's the strategy Gaballo's camp should study. Donaire is a knockout artist, his opponent cannot be careless as one mistake, the fight might be over. Gaballo will be the underdog for sure, and as I see on this kid, he is not mentally tough to face a high-caliber champion.

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Quote from: Finestream on October 01, 2021, 04:24:03 PM

Gaballo would not gonna make the fight last because his style is aggressive boxing, he doesn't have the jabs, his aim is to KO his opponent early on and with that, I can say that they have the same goal with Donaire. If Gaballo changes style, then maybe we might see this a long bout and could be on his advantage as the aging Donaire might get frustrated and will loss his stamina, however, beating Donaire is easier said than done.

Counter puncher like Donaire would really be most likely to prefer on aggressive fighters because we know that counter punches can really be seen with these kind of moments or shall we say its the exact
times on where these counterpunches would really be relevant.

Stamina is something an issue to Donaire but we have seen on how he lasted up until 12 rounds against Inoue which simply means that this one wont really be an easy thing for Gaballo.

He would really need tooo have something on at least able to be on par with this upcoming fight on an opponent which is good at speed and counter punch.

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IMO, it's not really a huge fight, although Gaballo is younger and undefeated the quality of opponent Donaire beat is higher than what Gaballo had beaten, it's a big test for Gaballo but for Donaire, it should be an ordinary day in the office comes the day of the fight.

While I agree that Donaire is without a doubt the best of the two and this must be reflected in the odds about who should win the fight, at the same time I do not think it is healthy for him to have the attitude that since he has beaten better fighters in the past then he's going to beat his current opponent with ease and that there is nothing to worry about, we have seen that attitude many times in the past and it never ends well, boxers need to take seriously their opponents because only one punch is needed to change the outcome of any fight.

Of course, Donaire will take it seriously as he can't afford to lose the opportunity to have a rematch against Inoue, if he loses, I doubt Inoue would still give him a rematch when he doesn't have the belt anymore, it will be Casimero vs Inoue if Casimero would be successful in defending his belt.

I really hope this is the case, more than anything as a fan of boxing I want to see the best fighting each other, I understand that they want to make money when they obtain the belt so it is natural they avoid each other for some time before they actually clash, and if Gaballo happens to win then it is obvious he is not going to want to expose his title so soon against Casimero or Inoue, so I prefer that Donaire wins so we can see those fights at the soonest.

We all want to see him win, but we never know what would be the outcome of the fight, Gaballo will also try to train harder as this is the biggest fighter of his career and he understands how important this fight is to realize his dream in the future. Gaballo is still young at 25 years old, there's a lot of fight for him in his career, but this moment is very important, he also can't afford to lose this just like what Donaire thinks.

Remember that upset do happen, so let's just hope it will not happen in this particular fight.

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IMO, it's not really a huge fight, although Gaballo is younger and undefeated the quality of opponent Donaire beat is higher than what Gaballo had beaten, it's a big test for Gaballo but for Donaire, it should be an ordinary day in the office comes the day of the fight.

While I agree that Donaire is without a doubt the best of the two and this must be reflected in the odds about who should win the fight, at the same time I do not think it is healthy for him to have the attitude that since he has beaten better fighters in the past then he's going to beat his current opponent with ease and that there is nothing to worry about, we have seen that attitude many times in the past and it never ends well, boxers need to take seriously their opponents because only one punch is needed to change the outcome of any fight.

Of course, Donaire will take it seriously as he can't afford to lose the opportunity to have a rematch against Inoue, if he loses, I doubt Inoue would still give him a rematch when he doesn't have the belt anymore, it will be Casimero vs Inoue if Casimero would be successful in defending his belt.

I really hope this is the case, more than anything as a fan of boxing I want to see the best fighting each other, I understand that they want to make money when they obtain the belt so it is natural they avoid each other for some time before they actually clash, and if Gaballo happens to win then it is obvious he is not going to want to expose his title so soon against Casimero or Inoue, so I prefer that Donaire wins so we can see those fights at the soonest.

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The only way Donaire would win here is via knockout because if the fight goes the full 12 rounds chances are Donaire would gas out and Gaballo might take over in the championship rounds. So with that being said my bet is Donaire via KO, I hope the odds are attractive for this market.

Donaire is hitting with his age effect and fighting 12 rounds is already exhausting to him. It's difficult to gather points while stamina is depleting.
A knockout win for Donaire should be the key to win the fight. When they are both tired, Gaballo seems to have an advantage as he's currently in his prime and can manage to last 12 rounds with no problem with stamina.
Unless Donaire will school and show Gaballo what's the meaning of being a multi-champion and a titleholder.

And now being a veteran. Grin

Will it be the time to pass the torch or will Donaire prove he can still fight and there still so much strength in his body to pursue for high rank boxers like Inoue for a rematch.
In the end, it's not really a loss for Donaire. He already proved a lot to the Filipino people and he will be kept in our hearts with pride. But that rematch should really happen before he retires. It's a UD which is not fun since both are known for a mass number of KO's, it will be more exciting if it will end with a sleep.

The guy is already 38 and he is aging fast. In this fight as well as all the fights he takes before his retirements, he has to try to win with a KO. Otherwise, his opponents will try to play a bit passive and try to lengthen the matches because he will get exhausted as the age will get the better of him. And winning against an exhausting Donaire will be easier for Gaballo. His retirement is very near, maybe 1 or 2 more matches till that.

Cant really deny that age would really a big factor when it comes to fight outcomes its true that it might be part of the strategy that they would lengthen up the fight
because speaking of stamina of Donaire then we have seen it already on previous fight with Inoue and im sure that they arent blind on not to see those kind of
opportunities which they could really take out some advantage but the question is, how they would able to last it long? Impossible that you wont really get
any hit or counterpunches. Cheesy

Gaballo would not gonna make the fight last because his style is aggressive boxing, he doesn't have the jabs, his aim is to KO his opponent early on and with that, I can say that they have the same goal with Donaire. If Gaballo changes style, then maybe we might see this a long bout and could be on his advantage as the aging Donaire might get frustrated and will loss his stamina, however, beating Donaire is easier said than done.

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