[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 21.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 27, 2021, 05:59:30 AM

It will be another history in the making for Usyk. If I'm not mistaken, the last time that we have a great cruiserweight jumping to heavyweight is Evander Holyfield. So Usyk might follow the footsteps of the great Evander and become the undisputed heavyweight champion.

Evander Holyfield's shoes will be too big for a boxer in the class of Usyk to wear. The only boxer in the present time that can be compared to Holyfield will be Tyson Fury. I like how he punches. Joshua is not fast with his punches and can hardly move around fast. I remember the days of Mohammed Ali when boxing was an entertainment sport and fans were thrilled with Ali jumping all over the ring. I see that in Fury. Usyk is just an average boxer.

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Quote from: yazher on September 27, 2021, 03:38:14 AM

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Yeah! the fight was one of the great fights we had this year and there will be a high chance that we will see another rematch between them next year. I think we need to see the trilogy between Wilder and Fury after this fight since Joshua lost to Usyk.

Anyway, Usyk has the chance to fight Fury as well if the negotiation of the trilogy won't be successful this year.

Even if the trilogy between Fury and Wilder takes place we will see Fury facing Usyk if Fury is undefeated by that time. Everything is mixed up right now, the potential fight everyone was looking for is gone forever by the way things are going and if it happens it will not have the same hype they had before the Joshua loss. If Fury wins the trilogy against Wilder we might see Fury and Usyk fighting next year.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 26, 2021, 07:29:19 PM

It could have been concussion or simply the shock of how not only was he defeated but the manner in which the defeat was inflicted. Joshua just did not look comfortable from the moment he appeared in the arena long before he walked in to the ring.

Maybe he is mentally not as tough as we all thought.

Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2021, 07:20:29 PM

I find this one very odd after the bell of the last round ring Usyk raise his hand and Joshua did not and he sat on his stool for several minutes before being urged to get up and go to the referee for the announcement but once Michael Buffer announce Usyk as the winner, Joshua was in total shock I don't know if it's the result or the score, I agree on the unanimous decision and I guess majority will also agree I don't know why Joshua was in total shock when he should not.

Full story and the footage here
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-sarcastic-reaction-usyk-25074850

Yes, perhaps by this moment Joshua finally came to his senses (after the final bell he could not stand on his feet and was sitting in the corner) and that was the moment when he realized that he had completely lost the fight and lost all belts.

By the way, I don't know what part of the body the judge watched the fight with, who gave the score 115-113 - but obviously not with his eyes. Usyk's advantage was more obvious.

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It would have been a disaster for Usyk and a blessing for Joshua if the scorecard was unfairly tallied up to be a draw as in what happened when Fury really won the first fight against Wilder but it was given as a draw. Fury taught Wilder a boxing masterclass in the re-match and I think Fury will win again in Fury vs Wilder III

Thankfully for Usyk, he did not have to deal with dubious judges decisions because he was clearly the better fighter and the clear winner.

Quote from: Kemarit on September 26, 2021, 08:10:14 PM

Good thing though is that the judges did a good job and didn't screw Usyk, otherwise if we hear that Joshua won in this fight, there will be a lot of accusations on a home cook decision.

Joshua was in total shock, he even doesn't want to stand in there because it was a disappointed performance from him wherein everyone is expecting that he will win by knockout or by decision. But it was the other way around. Not sure how he can adjust in the rematch if ever he and his team exercise it, I know he bounce from a Ruiz lost, but Usyk is different and he has difficulty against a technical fighter.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 27, 2021, 02:18:22 AM

That was a great fight anyway. What I liked, that both fighters respected each other and there were not trash talk before the fight, and after the fight Joshua admitted, that Usyk was better that night. If I am not mistaken, they both unofficially agreed for a rematch.

Who Usyk is going to face next? Wilder vs Fury 3 winner? With all respect to Usyk, Fury is to big for him.

It everything falls into plan, then why not go for the winner of Fury vs Wilder trilogy? It will bring him more money an then greatness if he ever won against Fury or Wilder? It will be another history in the making for Usyk. If I'm not mistaken, the last time that we have a great cruiserweight jumping to heavyweight is Evander Holyfield. So Usyk might follow the footsteps of the great Evander and become the undisputed heavyweight champion.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on September 27, 2021, 02:05:39 AM

Joshua   - 25 (64.1%)
Usyk   - 12 (30.8%)
Draw   - 2 (5.1%)
Total Voters: 39

The majority of us here underestimate Usyk and were very confident that Joshua will win, my take on this is Joshua was exposed against a very aggressive fighter who knows how to take an angle and deliver a clear punch, that take away everything on Joshua, there were rounds that Joshua dominate but it was short domination Usyk is very quick to change his gear and always have an answer on everything Joshua is bringing, so we'll see now if Fury can carry the British flag against Wilder.

I was among those twelve who have believed in Usik. As I said in my relevant post ^{"His advantages rest not only in boxing stance but in footwork, speed and creativity in fighting."}. Since era of Klychko brothers Ukrainians are very tough fighters and Usik has shown in this bout that he is a worthy continuer of Ukrainian boxing glory. Will JOSHUA have a rematch clause?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 27, 2021, 02:18:22 AM

That was a great fight anyway. What I liked, that both fighters respected each other and there were not trash talk before the fight, and after the fight Joshua admitted, that Usyk was better that night. If I am not mistaken, they both unofficially agreed for a rematch.

Who Usyk is going to face next? Wilder vs Fury 3 winner? With all respect to Usyk, Fury is to big for him.

Yeah! the fight was one of the great fights we had this year and there will be a high chance that we will see another rematch between them next year. I think we need to see the trilogy between Wilder and Fury after this fight since Joshua lost to Usyk.

Anyway, Usyk has the chance to fight Fury as well if the negotiation of the trilogy won't be successful this year.

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That was a great fight anyway. What I liked, that both fighters respected each other and there were not trash talk before the fight, and after the fight Joshua admitted, that Usyk was better that night. If I am not mistaken, they both unofficially agreed for a rematch.

Who Usyk is going to face next? Wilder vs Fury 3 winner? With all respect to Usyk, Fury is to big for him.

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Joshua   - 25 (64.1%)
Usyk   - 12 (30.8%)
Draw   - 2 (5.1%)
Total Voters: 39

The majority of us here underestimate Usyk and were very confident that Joshua will win, my take on this is Joshua was exposed against a very aggressive fighter who knows how to take an angle and deliver a clear punch, that take away everything on Joshua, there were rounds that Joshua dominate but it was short domination Usyk is very quick to change his gear and always have an answer on everything Joshua is bringing, so we'll see now if Fury can carry the British flag against Wilder.

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Quote from: Zedpastin on September 26, 2021, 05:07:06 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 26, 2021, 02:55:38 PM

Usyk definitely dictated the tempo of the fight, no doubt about that. Joshua had no answer to Usyk yet he had all the tools win comfortably and this is something Joshua will struggle to get over when they meet for the re-match.

Joshua was stunned when Usyk started catching him hard in the first round and after that it seemed Joshua thought he could keep boxing like he did against Povetkin but Usyk is several classes above him. I think Joshua will struggle to win the re-match unless he changes his style and uses his huge frame to impose himself on Usyk.

Since the Ruiz and Joshua fight Joshua has looked hesitant to get into a punching match and instead when Usyk started to throw punches and look to trade a couple of them he backed out but that is not the most effective tactic. Joshua used to be good at these trading punches because he has big power in his punches and by stepping back he allows the better boxer technically to continue to dominate him. I do not see any way that Joshua wins in the rematch if there is going to be a rematch. Joshua did not speak to any media after the fight which I think is a breach contractually and I think his head is not in the best places right now. I do not see the rematch happening and if it does Usyk wins unless Joshua can get a lucky punch because it is obvious to me that Usyk was the better boxer.

Joshua has what many would consider a glass chin. He does not take punches very well. He has taken a lot of damage against Klitschko, Ruiz, and now Usyk. Punch resistance isn't something that can be improved with training. I just do not see how he will ever be champion again. He should fight someone like Dillian Whyte or Derek Chisora and get one last big paycheck and then call it a career. He is too damaged to continue much longer in the sport.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 26, 2021, 07:29:19 PM

It could have been concussion or simply the shock of how not only was he defeated but the manner in which the defeat was inflicted. Joshua just did not look comfortable from the moment he appeared in the arena long before he walked in to the ring.

Maybe he is mentally not as tough as we all thought.

Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2021, 07:20:29 PM

I find this one very odd after the bell of the last round ring Usyk raise his hand and Joshua did not and he sat on his stool for several minutes before being urged to get up and go to the referee for the announcement but once Michael Buffer announce Usyk as the winner, Joshua was in total shock I don't know if it's the result or the score, I agree on the unanimous decision and I guess majority will also agree I don't know why Joshua was in total shock when he should not.

Full story and the footage here
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-sarcastic-reaction-usyk-25074850

Lennox Lewis is right all along in his opinion of Joshua

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He wants to go around making money.
“I think that’s going to be a downfall for him. He has to stay with it, he can’t be in the background.
“If he wants to be champion, he has to act like a champion.”

he's been fighting low-level fighters and against strong and talented boxers like Ruiz and Usyk, he is nowhere the level of a champion like Lennox Lewis, I wonder what it would be like facing against a very technical and powerful Fury, Joshua was really exposed on this fight, there's a rematch clause let's see if it will generate interest.

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Good thing though is that the judges did a good job and didn't screw Usyk, otherwise if we hear that Joshua won in this fight, there will be a lot of accusations on a home cook decision.

Joshua was in total shock, he even doesn't want to stand in there because it was a disappointed performance from him wherein everyone is expecting that he will win by knockout or by decision. But it was the other way around. Not sure how he can adjust in the rematch if ever he and his team exercise it, I know he bounce from a Ruiz lost, but Usyk is different and he has difficulty against a technical fighter.

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It could have been concussion or simply the shock of how not only was he defeated but the manner in which the defeat was inflicted. Joshua just did not look comfortable from the moment he appeared in the arena long before he walked in to the ring.

Maybe he is mentally not as tough as we all thought.

Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2021, 07:20:29 PM

I find this one very odd after the bell of the last round ring Usyk raise his hand and Joshua did not and he sat on his stool for several minutes before being urged to get up and go to the referee for the announcement but once Michael Buffer announce Usyk as the winner, Joshua was in total shock I don't know if it's the result or the score, I agree on the unanimous decision and I guess majority will also agree I don't know why Joshua was in total shock when he should not.

Full story and the footage here
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-sarcastic-reaction-usyk-25074850

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I find this one very odd after the bell of the last round ring Usyk raise his hand and Joshua did not and he sat on his stool for several minutes before being urged to get up and go to the referee for the announcement but once Michael Buffer announce Usyk as the winner, Joshua was in total shock I don't know if it's the result or the score, I agree on the unanimous decision and I guess majority will also agree I don't know why Joshua was in total shock when he should not.

Full story and the footage here
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-sarcastic-reaction-usyk-25074850

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 26, 2021, 02:55:38 PM

Usyk definitely dictated the tempo of the fight, no doubt about that. Joshua had no answer to Usyk yet he had all the tools win comfortably and this is something Joshua will struggle to get over when they meet for the re-match.

Joshua was stunned when Usyk started catching him hard in the first round and after that it seemed Joshua thought he could keep boxing like he did against Povetkin but Usyk is several classes above him. I think Joshua will struggle to win the re-match unless he changes his style and uses his huge frame to impose himself on Usyk.

Since the Ruiz and Joshua fight Joshua has looked hesitant to get into a punching match and instead when Usyk started to throw punches and look to trade a couple of them he backed out but that is not the most effective tactic. Joshua used to be good at these trading punches because he has big power in his punches and by stepping back he allows the better boxer technically to continue to dominate him. I do not see any way that Joshua wins in the rematch if there is going to be a rematch. Joshua did not speak to any media after the fight which I think is a breach contractually and I think his head is not in the best places right now. I do not see the rematch happening and if it does Usyk wins unless Joshua can get a lucky punch because it is obvious to me that Usyk was the better boxer.

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Usyk definitely dictated the tempo of the fight, no doubt about that. Joshua had no answer to Usyk yet he had all the tools win comfortably and this is something Joshua will struggle to get over when they meet for the re-match.

Joshua was stunned when Usyk started catching him hard in the first round and after that it seemed Joshua thought he could keep boxing like he did against Povetkin but Usyk is several classes above him. I think Joshua will struggle to win the re-match unless he changes his style and uses his huge frame to impose himself on Usyk.

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Anthony Joshua let alot of his supporters down including me on the night with the way he boxed. He did not show so much vigor and determination to floor his man. Usyk was the better boxer and the win was well deserved for him. It would have been worse if Joshua had gone on straight to fight Tyson Fury. It would have ended in TKO within round 5 with alot of injuries for Joshua.

Yeah, it was in his hometown and a lot of fans went there to see a Joshua win, not just a win, but a big one like knock out or something. However, he just look so average in that fight, you might look at it as Usyk is the champion because he is the one dictating the tempo of the fight. Joshua didn't adjust, or maybe his corner didn't get him instructions after the first couple of rounds. And with the version of Joshua who just stood around fights the version of Fury who knock out Wilder in the second fight? yeah probably in 5 rounds he will be in the canvass.

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We have witnessed two upsets just this month first it was Pacquiao now Joshua, but Joshua's upset is very surprising and major one, considering that it was held in his hometown and he is at the peak of his career and gearing up for a match against Fury or Wilder, I hope Fury will not get upset when he fights Wilder, or it will be the end of the domination of British boxers.

I am not surprised that Usyk won. Big muscles did not help Joshua. More faster and technical Usyk outboxed him. Where Joshua make 1-2 punches, Usyk make a series of 10.

I will be honest I thought that Joshua was going to win but unlike some I did not thought it was possible for Joshua to win in the first rounds, however when I saw the fight I knew that after they reached the eight round that Joshua was not going to win, as something that is not widely know is that big muscles drain your stamina really quickly, and if Usyk had 30 additional seconds on the last round he could have knockout Joshua, Joshua did not did a terrible job as a fighter but he needs to let go of muscles so huge that do not really help him to punch harder and instead slow him down.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on September 26, 2021, 01:12:17 PM

Anthony Joshua let alot of his supporters down including me on the night with the way he boxed. He did not show so much vigor and determination to floor his man. Usyk was the better boxer and the win was well deserved for him. It would have been worse if Joshua had gone on straight to fight Tyson Fury. It would have ended in TKO within round 5 with alot of injuries for Joshua.

Yeah, it was in his hometown and a lot of fans went there to see a Joshua win, not just a win, but a big one like knock out or something. However, he just look so average in that fight, you might look at it as Usyk is the champion because he is the one dictating the tempo of the fight. Joshua didn't adjust, or maybe his corner didn't get him instructions after the first couple of rounds. And with the version of Joshua who just stood around fights the version of Fury who knock out Wilder in the second fight? yeah probably in 5 rounds he will be in the canvass.

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Anthony Joshua let alot of his supporters down including me on the night with the way he boxed. He did not show so much vigor and determination to floor his man. Usyk was the better boxer and the win was well deserved for him. It would have been worse if Joshua had gone on straight to fight Tyson Fury. It would have ended in TKO within round 5 with alot of injuries for Joshua.

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Joshua is clutching at straws and still dreaming of fighting Fury, so much so that he said he would be willing to fight Fury without any belts. Well, he has zero belts now while Fury is still WBC world heavyweight champion. I think he is still shaken by the defeat and needs time to revcoer but he will have his re-match against Usyk and that fight will define him and his future. If he loses against Usyk II then he may a swell retire but if he wins then he has a chance to getting that fight against the winner of Fury-Wilder III

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