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You are right there was always a chance a big hitter like Joshua could have caused damaged to Fury if not by KO then by at least getting him on the canvas for a count of 5 or 6 and hurting his pride but he must definitely prefer to fight Usyk.

I am sure Fury will beat Wilder because Wilder has shown signs he is not mentally prepared and should not even be boxing for the time being. With that right hand sure he is a potential banana skin for Fury but overall how many of us actually see Wilder winning?

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We all know what Fury is capable of doing in the ring but now he has the added motivation of being a unified undisputed heavyweight champion if he can get past Wilder again and if can beat the winner of Joshua vs Usyk II. Even if Usyk defeated Joshua again then managed to put on weight, he will be no match for Fury.

Surely Fury is relishing the idea of fighting Usyk instead of Joshua for the belts too, since I would like to think there would be less risk of getting knock out, although I don't think it'll be any easier for Fury, however he'll probably get a kick out of fighting someone as technical as Usyk, since throughout his career he seems to the one with the better technical ability. I don't see how Joshua wins the rematch, Usyk moves his head constantly, and Joshua isn't exactly the most accurate with his big punches, and seems to struggle with fighters that are quick, and have good footwork.

This Fury fight against Wilder is going to be nerve wracking, I just have a feeling there's a potential banana skin here for Fury, he can't be caught napping otherwise he'll be literally napping on the canvas. I don't think it's going to go like round two vs Wilder, I actually think it'll be slightly more competitive like the first bout, though I personally had Fury winning that despite the late knock down.

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Quote from: Saisher on September 29, 2021, 05:06:48 PM

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I think that in order to be able to seriously talk about the Fury - Usyk fight as a competitive one, it is necessary that Usyk gain at least a little weight (can he, given that he has already moved to a new weight category for himself?). Now Usyk weighs 100 kg, and Fury 123 (or already more) - 23 kilograms of difference, in fact, they are in different weight categories.

He will lose his speed and probably his accuracy if he gains more weight than he can afford, he is ok with his current weight as long as Usyk maintains that speed and accuracy, he can fight anybody as he did with Joshua and beat him, heavyweight is the only division where there is no maximum weight limit, Usyk if ever will add more weight it will not be more that will hinder his speed.

Everyone understands this very well, which is why this is an acute issue - otherwise all boxers would easily gain weight and fight only in heavyweights. I remember how Roy Jones Jr. lost speed when he was forced to put on weight.

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We all know what Fury is capable of doing in the ring but now he has the added motivation of being a unified undisputed heavyweight champion if he can get past Wilder again and if can beat the winner of Joshua vs Usyk II. Even if Usyk defeated Joshua again then managed to put on weight, he will be no match for Fury.

Sure. But in fact, I have high expectations from Wilder, I think that history can repeat itself (as in the match with Joshua - Usyk) and if Wilder can overcome his mental problems, then with the right tactics he will have high chances against Fury.

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This Fury fight against Wilder is going to be nerve wracking, I just have a feeling there's a potential banana skin here for Fury, he can't be caught napping otherwise he'll be literally napping on the canvas. I don't think it's going to go like round two vs Wilder, I actually think it'll be slightly more competitive like the first bout, though I personally had Fury winning that despite the late knock down.

Wilder is hell bent of bouncing back and avenging his lost, so for sure it will be very close as the first time. But Fury adjusted in the second fight and no more going to the judges score card. So it's time for Wilder to readjust and see if he can hit Fury with his straight right. So still very interesting and it might be close as well.

Wilder will have to let go of his emotions first before he will be able to put up a fight against Fury the way he did the first time they met. Their first match was the perfect opportunity for Wilder. And he failed it. This third match is now easier on the part of Fury. Wilder is emotionally and psychologically beaten. I hope he's already gone past his excuses and emotional breakdown and start coming out as a fresh fighter. He'll have a chance this way.

But I'm still predicting a Fury vs Usyk fight in the months to come.

Fury versus Usyk? I assume Anthony Joshua has lost? I did not follow anything about this fight and I have never read anything about the outcome of this until I read your post. In any case, Joshua showed some weaknesses versus Ruiz who he underestimated, I speculate he also underestimated Usyk or the British mafia is threatening him hehehe. This is a very strange inconsistency of performance for a very good boxer like him.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on September 29, 2021, 10:39:25 PM

Wilder will have to let go of his emotions first before he will be able to put up a fight against Fury the way he did the first time they met. Their first match was the perfect opportunity for Wilder. And he failed it. This third match is now easier on the part of Fury. Wilder is emotionally and psychologically beaten. I hope he's already gone past his excuses and emotional breakdown and start coming out as a fresh fighter. He'll have a chance this way.

But I'm still predicting a Fury vs Usyk fight in the months to come.

Wilder should learn from the Joshua - Usyk fight even if you are the stronger fighter if you are fighting who knows how to frustrate you, how to hit and not get hit and has the stamina to move around and make you look clumsy then you are in trouble, in his coming fight against Fury he will be a victim of relying on power just like Joshua who waited for a big punch that he can land that never came.

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Quote from: Welsh on September 29, 2021, 07:04:49 PM

This Fury fight against Wilder is going to be nerve wracking, I just have a feeling there's a potential banana skin here for Fury, he can't be caught napping otherwise he'll be literally napping on the canvas. I don't think it's going to go like round two vs Wilder, I actually think it'll be slightly more competitive like the first bout, though I personally had Fury winning that despite the late knock down.

Wilder is hell bent of bouncing back and avenging his lost, so for sure it will be very close as the first time. But Fury adjusted in the second fight and no more going to the judges score card. So it's time for Wilder to readjust and see if he can hit Fury with his straight right. So still very interesting and it might be close as well.

Wilder will have to let go of his emotions first before he will be able to put up a fight against Fury the way he did the first time they met. Their first match was the perfect opportunity for Wilder. And he failed it. This third match is now easier on the part of Fury. Wilder is emotionally and psychologically beaten. I hope he's already gone past his excuses and emotional breakdown and start coming out as a fresh fighter. He'll have a chance this way.

But I'm still predicting a Fury vs Usyk fight in the months to come.

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Quote from: Welsh on September 29, 2021, 07:04:49 PM

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We all know what Fury is capable of doing in the ring but now he has the added motivation of being a unified undisputed heavyweight champion if he can get past Wilder again and if can beat the winner of Joshua vs Usyk II. Even if Usyk defeated Joshua again then managed to put on weight, he will be no match for Fury.

Surely Fury is relishing the idea of fighting Usyk instead of Joshua for the belts too, since I would like to think there would be less risk of getting knock out, although I don't think it'll be any easier for Fury, however he'll probably get a kick out of fighting someone as technical as Usyk, since throughout his career he seems to the one with the better technical ability. I don't see how Joshua wins the rematch, Usyk moves his head constantly, and Joshua isn't exactly the most accurate with his big punches, and seems to struggle with fighters that are quick, and have good footwork.

Probably is, he has correctly predicted that Usyk will win against Joshua because of the former boxing abilities. And he is right, although more money will be in the table for him for a Joshua clash, for British boxing. But it has been derailed by Usyk.

Quote from: Welsh on September 29, 2021, 07:04:49 PM

This Fury fight against Wilder is going to be nerve wracking, I just have a feeling there's a potential banana skin here for Fury, he can't be caught napping otherwise he'll be literally napping on the canvas. I don't think it's going to go like round two vs Wilder, I actually think it'll be slightly more competitive like the first bout, though I personally had Fury winning that despite the late knock down.

Wilder is hell bent of bouncing back and avenging his lost, so for sure it will be very close as the first time. But Fury adjusted in the second fight and no more going to the judges score card. So it's time for Wilder to readjust and see if he can hit Fury with his straight right. So still very interesting and it might be close as well.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 29, 2021, 06:03:48 PM

We all know what Fury is capable of doing in the ring but now he has the added motivation of being a unified undisputed heavyweight champion if he can get past Wilder again and if can beat the winner of Joshua vs Usyk II. Even if Usyk defeated Joshua again then managed to put on weight, he will be no match for Fury.

Surely Fury is relishing the idea of fighting Usyk instead of Joshua for the belts too, since I would like to think there would be less risk of getting knock out, although I don't think it'll be any easier for Fury, however he'll probably get a kick out of fighting someone as technical as Usyk, since throughout his career he seems to the one with the better technical ability. I don't see how Joshua wins the rematch, Usyk moves his head constantly, and Joshua isn't exactly the most accurate with his big punches, and seems to struggle with fighters that are quick, and have good footwork.

This Fury fight against Wilder is going to be nerve wracking, I just have a feeling there's a potential banana skin here for Fury, he can't be caught napping otherwise he'll be literally napping on the canvas. I don't think it's going to go like round two vs Wilder, I actually think it'll be slightly more competitive like the first bout, though I personally had Fury winning that despite the late knock down.

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I think that in order to be able to seriously talk about the Fury - Usyk fight as a competitive one, it is necessary that Usyk gain at least a little weight (can he, given that he has already moved to a new weight category for himself?). Now Usyk weighs 100 kg, and Fury 123 (or already more) - 23 kilograms of difference, in fact, they are in different weight categories.

He will lose his speed and probably his accuracy if he gains more weight than he can afford, he is ok with his current weight as long as Usyk maintains that speed and accuracy, he can fight anybody as he did with Joshua and beat him, heavyweight is the only division where there is no maximum weight limit, Usyk if ever will add more weight it will not be more that will hinder his speed.

That's why Usyk is really a cruiserweight, and not a pure heavyweight. Fury is very different breed of heavyweight though and same with Wilder, taller and heavier. And it is not advisable for Usyk to put in more weight, yes he might lose his mobility and speed which is a big factor in his win against AJ. So it's better to just used the same weight against Fury (if they fought), but it will take a lot to be able to beat the version of this Fury.

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We all know what Fury is capable of doing in the ring but now he has the added motivation of being a unified undisputed heavyweight champion if he can get past Wilder again and if can beat the winner of Joshua vs Usyk II. Even if Usyk defeated Joshua again then managed to put on weight, he will be no match for Fury.

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I think that in order to be able to seriously talk about the Fury - Usyk fight as a competitive one, it is necessary that Usyk gain at least a little weight (can he, given that he has already moved to a new weight category for himself?). Now Usyk weighs 100 kg, and Fury 123 (or already more) - 23 kilograms of difference, in fact, they are in different weight categories.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 29, 2021, 04:17:24 PM

I think that in order to be able to seriously talk about the Fury - Usyk fight as a competitive one, it is necessary that Usyk gain at least a little weight (can he, given that he has already moved to a new weight category for himself?). Now Usyk weighs 100 kg, and Fury 123 (or already more) - 23 kilograms of difference, in fact, they are in different weight categories.

He will lose his speed and probably his accuracy if he gains more weight than he can afford, he is ok with his current weight as long as Usyk maintains that speed and accuracy, he can fight anybody as he did with Joshua and beat him, heavyweight is the only division where there is no maximum weight limit, Usyk if ever will add more weight it will not be more that will hinder his speed.

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I think that in order to be able to seriously talk about the Fury - Usyk fight as a competitive one, it is necessary that Usyk gain at least a little weight (can he, given that he has already moved to a new weight category for himself?). Now Usyk weighs 100 kg, and Fury 123 (or already more) - 23 kilograms of difference, in fact, they are in different weight categories.

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I tend to agree with you but you have to accept that become world heavyweight champion you have to have some talent. Joshua is big and powerful but that does not always bring rewards as he noted in his first fight against Ruiz and this one against Usyk. Let us also remember he was a points decision against Parker too so Joshua is limited in his talent and his approach but respect to him for being heavyweight champion twice and if he beats Usyk he will be champion again.

If you compare Joshua at his peak with say Holyfield or Lennox or Foreman (on his comeback) then Joshua gets knocked out before 4 rounds. If you compare Joshua at his peak with Tyson at his peak then Joshua gets destroyed in the first round - simple.

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Anthony Joshua is not a talented boxer and will never be, real boxing fans from 80s fights at least can confirm to this without sentiments. He is not fast, he has no good jabs, does not use his reach and height advantage, he stands there and does nothing but dancing around, and he is scared of taking punches, when I remember the likes of Tyson, holy field, razor, lenox Lewis, etc, watch, Tyson vs Donovan 1&2, then you will know that Anthony Joshua and some of the heavyweights are boring to watch

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^^ It just dawn on me, a fight will be Fury vs Usyk might be boring? No?

Both are technical fighters, as we all know that style makes fights right? So two fighters with the same style? Maybe we will see that no one wants to throw punch and wait for the others to make mistakes? So we don't know if Fury will be the aggressor on that fight and Usyk contend to counter punch or let Fury missed his punch.

Fury is bigger than Usyk so if we get to see that fight I have no doubts that Fury is going to do something similar to what he did against Wilder during the second fight, he used his weight to his advantage and forced Wilder to carry him on, this tired Wilder really quickly and drained his physical endurance and gave him an easy win, also I think Usyk will have to be the aggressor as Fury also knows how to use the jab really well so he cannot sit down and wait for Fury to come to him when Fury can destroy him with his jab alone, so I think if it comes to happen it would be a very interesting fight but Fury will be the favorite.

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Anthony Joshua is not a talented boxer and will never be, real boxing fans from 80s fights at least can confirm to this without sentiments. He is not fast, he has no good jabs, does not use his reach and height advantage, he stands there and does nothing but dancing around, and he is scared of taking punches, when I remember the likes of Tyson, holy field, razor, lenox Lewis, etc, watch, Tyson vs Donovan 1&2, then you will know that Anthony Joshua and some of the heavyweights are boring to watch

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It will not be boring because Fury will probably floor Usyk 3 or 4 times before the fight is over. How many times did Wilder hit the floor before the fight was over?

I think Usyk has the heart of a fighter but so did Wilder when he met Fury. The fight will not be boring even though the outcome seems clear Wink

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^^ It just dawn on me, a fight will be Fury vs Usyk might be boring? No?

Both are technical fighters, as we all know that style makes fights right? So two fighters with the same style? Maybe we will see that no one wants to throw punch and wait for the others to make mistakes? So we don't know if Fury will be the aggressor on that fight and Usyk contend to counter punch or let Fury missed his punch.

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Quote from: robelneo on September 26, 2021, 06:20:29 PM

I find this one very odd after the bell of the last round ring Usyk raise his hand and Joshua did not and he sat on his stool for several minutes before being urged to get up and go to the referee for the announcement but once Michael Buffer announce Usyk as the winner, Joshua was in total shock I don't know if it's the result or the score, I agree on the unanimous decision and I guess majority will also agree I don't know why Joshua was in total shock when he should not.

Full story and the footage here
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/anthony-joshua-sarcastic-reaction-usyk-25074850

I noticed that too, to begin with every single fighter whether they win or lose they need to celebrate as if they did, the judges are still judging the match even after is over, he just went to his stool and sat there all the time until it was time to proclaim the winner, that alone lost him the last round, you cannot look like a beaten man when your opponent is standing up all the time while looking fresh, I really think Joshua has lost the love to the sport, he looks as if he does not care and as if just his presence is enough to guarantee a win, unlike what happened with Ruiz which can be justified as a fluke he went and fought against a technical fighter and if they fought 10 times I think Usyk will beat him 9 times out of those 10.

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Quote from: robelneo on September 29, 2021, 05:50:16 AM

Joshua's camp invoked the rematch clause I was thinking that Joshua will train very hard, analyze what went wrong, and come out with a better strategy, I'm hoping that Joshua will do the same thing that he did with Ruiz and Joshua will become great again, I was thinking that until I stumble this article that fully analyze Joshua's chances against Usyk in their rematch and it seems Joshua's Rematch Outlook Seems Bleak.

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With Usyk, he won’t have that advantage to work with.
This wasn’t a fortunate result that sprang from a lucky punch.
This was a comprehensive fundamental beatdown delivered by a man to a pound-for-pound boy.

Getting an immediate rematch is not a good idea Joshua should take a big turnaround by becoming a more technical fighter and not a one-punch fighter he needs a match against a boxer that is as good as Usyk, but he can overcome that will turn him into a technical boxer.

In my opinion, if you watched the fight, then Joshua's gloomy prospects in the rematch should be immediately clear without any articles. And I do not think that in preparation he should focus on technique and try to compete with Usyk here - on the contrary, he should try to defeat Usyk not in smart boxing (where he is weaker than Usyk), but in power, where, thanks to physical data, he should be stronger.

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Joshua's camp invoked the rematch clause I was thinking that Joshua will train very hard, analyze what went wrong, and come out with a better strategy, I'm hoping that Joshua will do the same thing that he did with Ruiz and Joshua will become great again, I was thinking that until I stumble this article that fully analyze Joshua's chances against Usyk in their rematch and it seems Joshua's Rematch Outlook Seems Bleak.

Without an Intensity Implant, Joshua's Rematch Outlook Seems Bleak

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With Usyk, he won’t have that advantage to work with.
This wasn’t a fortunate result that sprang from a lucky punch.
This was a comprehensive fundamental beatdown delivered by a man to a pound-for-pound boy.

Getting an immediate rematch is not a good idea Joshua should take a big turnaround by becoming a more technical fighter and not a one-punch fighter he needs a match against a boxer that is as good as Usyk, but he can overcome that will turn him into a technical boxer.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 29, 2021, 03:23:35 AM

Looking back, it seems AJ is a truly overrated boxer. No wonder Fury was very confidence to beat him. AJ probably lost his mojo, his appetite for becoming a champion. A fighter that is not blood thirsty is no longer feared. His smile when he was in trouble also didn't help. This happens when you underestimate your opponent and not giving 200% effort. He is no longer a warrior, and it's not worth it to bet on him. #RektBettors

Usually when a fighter smile, it means they are hurt, just like what we have seen against Usyk.

So yeah, he might have lost his mojo already, still bankable but I don't think he still the fire inside of him. And we really don't know what happen to him in the Usyk fight, he didn't adjust or anything and doesn't have the same pop on his punches. Perhaps he underestimate Usyk just like when he underestimate Ruiz. Now he needs to win in a rematch to capture his belt and then set up a big fight against Fury.

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Looking back, it seems AJ is a truly overrated boxer. No wonder Fury was very confidence to beat him. AJ probably lost his mojo, his appetite for becoming a champion. A fighter that is not blood thirsty is no longer feared. His smile when he was in trouble also didn't help. This happens when you underestimate your opponent and not giving 200% effort. He is no longer a warrior, and it's not worth it to bet on him. #RektBettors

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