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Usyk has advanced from cruiserweight to heavyweight. He has got only 1 fight as a heavy, but won everything as a cruiser. He has a great number of amateur fight also. His strenght are speed and long combos. His weakness is lack of weight probably. He will be lightest heavyweight.

It seems that the weight disadvantage didn't stop Usyk from destroying Joshua. Your analysis on the factors that can make him win is on point, the speed, strength and his experience really did show in that fight, must've been a surprise for Joshua and hopefully a rematch will happen since the news said there's a talk of rematch.

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Joshua has a big mountain to climb because of his weak showing against Usyk, of course, Joshua can opt for a rematch but he needs more than training to beat Usyk who is a very technical fighter, on his fight against Ruiz he underestimated him and was caught by those big punches, but against Usyk he was schooled on how to hit and not to get hit and you cannot be a technical fighter in a matter of months, Joshua relies on size and power all his career, but we'll, he has done it once he can do it again.

There is a "rematch clause" in the contract, which has been activated by Anthony Joshua's team. So Usyk needs to fight him again in the next 6-7 months. There is still some confusion regarding the venue of the fight. Usyk's team want the fight to take place in Kiev, Ukraine. But Joshua's promoter (Eddie Hearn) has rejected that suggestion. IMO, Kiev sounds good. Joshua had the home advantage in first fight, which took place at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Let Usyk have it next time. Why always the fight needs to be arranged as per Joshua's terms?

I agree, Joshua should understand that he is no longer the champion here, he is not the A-side anymore. Usyk bend on the first fight and on their terms, fight in London where Joshua eventually lost.

This time it should be in Kiev, it will be huge for Usyk and I'm sure even Joshua's fans are willing to travel and watch the fight live and I do hope that Usyk will also have the lion share of the split, Joshua here has no bargaining power because he lost.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2021, 10:25:43 PM

There is a "rematch clause" in the contract, which has been activated by Anthony Joshua's team. So Usyk needs to fight him again in the next 6-7 months. There is still some confusion regarding the venue of the fight. Usyk's team want the fight to take place in Kiev, Ukraine. But Joshua's promoter (Eddie Hearn) has rejected that suggestion. IMO, Kiev sounds good. Joshua had the home advantage in first fight, which took place at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Let Usyk have it next time. Why always the fight needs to be arranged as per Joshua's terms?

It will be very depressing for Joshua to fight in Usyk hometown, the only man who totally dominate him in a technical match and besides Joshua is not good fighting in a hostile crowd the Ukrainian will definitely boo him and cheer Usyk and his manager knows all that, there's a possibility that it will be held in a neutral ground, I have this feeling that Usyk is his kryptonite and he can beat him again and retire Joshua.

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Quote from: Saisher on September 28, 2021, 08:28:59 PM

Joshua has a big mountain to climb because of his weak showing against Usyk, of course, Joshua can opt for a rematch but he needs more than training to beat Usyk who is a very technical fighter, on his fight against Ruiz he underestimated him and was caught by those big punches, but against Usyk he was schooled on how to hit and not to get hit and you cannot be a technical fighter in a matter of months, Joshua relies on size and power all his career, but we'll, he has done it once he can do it again.

There is a "rematch clause" in the contract, which has been activated by Anthony Joshua's team. So Usyk needs to fight him again in the next 6-7 months. There is still some confusion regarding the venue of the fight. Usyk's team want the fight to take place in Kiev, Ukraine. But Joshua's promoter (Eddie Hearn) has rejected that suggestion. IMO, Kiev sounds good. Joshua had the home advantage in first fight, which took place at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Let Usyk have it next time. Why always the fight needs to be arranged as per Joshua's terms?

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 28, 2021, 05:59:43 PM

It seems that Joshua will exercise for a rematch, Usyk has somewhat confirmed it and the target date is Feb-March.

Mentally it will be tough for Joshua, but maybe he thinks he can reclaim all his belt and adjust on the rematch. Probably if everything has settled down, the fight could be officially announce late December or early January 2022.

And then fight the winner of Fury vs Wilder III for a unification of the major belts.

Joshua has a big mountain to climb because of his weak showing against Usyk, of course, Joshua can opt for a rematch but he needs more than training to beat Usyk who is a very technical fighter, on his fight against Ruiz he underestimated him and was caught by those big punches, but against Usyk he was schooled on how to hit and not to get hit and you cannot be a technical fighter in a matter of months, Joshua relies on size and power all his career, but we'll, he has done it once he can do it again.

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It seems that Joshua will exercise for a rematch, Usyk has somewhat confirmed it and the target date is Feb-March.

Mentally it will be tough for Joshua, but maybe he thinks he can reclaim all his belt and adjust on the rematch. Probably if everything has settled down, the fight could be officially announce late December or early January 2022.

And then fight the winner of Fury vs Wilder III for a unification of the major belts.

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"When we were talking to Oleksandr about the rematch, he wasn't upset. On the contrary, he was happy. He was glad and said: 'Oh, cool! I will beat up Anthony twice!'

"The approximate time that Eddie Hearn announced at the press conference after the fight, February-March, is indeed true."

"We can talk about the unification of all the belts only after Fury will have a boxing match again Wilder, and they determine the champion, and after our rematch with Anthony," Usyk said.

"Of course, I would like very much to have this unification match."

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-joshua-rematch-first-then-unify-with-fury-wilder-winner--160876

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Bellew was one of the best Cruiserweights in history and he got defeated against Usyk by knockout. I thought Bellew was winning most of the fight up until the knockout but Usyk proved he was a good boxer before fighting Joshua but I think most people try to describe and hype up Joshua as this undefeated opponent because of his appearance. A man like Joshua should not be losing against Ruiz and I think now fighters see his flaws and are not scared of him any more. Usyk showed little respect of his power and when Usyk was clipped by Joshua he countered immediately every time. I think Joshua might be finished at the top level and will be a top 3 fighter but will never hold onto belts again. If Fury gets the belts there is no chance that Joshua will beat him for the belts. If Fury retires and Wilder gets the belts that is the only chance I see Joshua holding belts again but Wilder is not going to beat Usyk. The only person who can beat Usyk is Fury imo.

The hype on AJ is already gone, he is no longer invincible as been promoted, his flaw has been exposed specially by Usyk in this fight. He can't fight a technical boxer. But a fight between him and Wilder is good match up, but I don't think as well that he can take out Wilder. Punch per punch Wilder is stronger than him.
So if AJ chooses to exercise his rematch clause, I'm not seeing him getting his belt back. Usyk has the blue print already, he will just used it again. I agree that Fury can beat Usyk, probably by late stoppage of a UD.

As his weaknesses are exposed by Usyk, I hardly believe that Joshua will be able to perform more consistently from now onwards. As you said that you consider him to be a top 3 boxer right now, I think that he is the 3rd among the top 3. Because Tyson Fury and Wilder have still got it and unless both of them retire which may not happen very soon, he is not getting any more belts in my opinion. And though Joshua has got the power in his punches, but a technical fighter will ground him with no hesitation.

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Quote from: Zedpastin on September 27, 2021, 02:49:25 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2021, 02:35:37 PM

Many professionals knew Usyk could win the fight, I only learned about that minutes before the fight started and they were speaking in the commentary in the studio. Those that fought against him at cruiserweight knew he was the real deal. Those professionals that saw his cruiserweight fights also knew he was well capable of winning.

I always thought Usyk would fall short and Joshua would win but what do I know? Grin

Usyk now can now double his money with the Joshua re-match and if he wins again he will probably take part in the richest heavyweight boxing fight of all time which will make the winner the unified undisputed heavyweight champion.

I think Fury will hold all the belts then will retire undefeated Grin

Bellew was one of the best Cruiserweights in history and he got defeated against Usyk by knockout. I thought Bellew was winning most of the fight up until the knockout but Usyk proved he was a good boxer before fighting Joshua but I think most people try to describe and hype up Joshua as this undefeated opponent because of his appearance. A man like Joshua should not be losing against Ruiz and I think now fighters see his flaws and are not scared of him any more. Usyk showed little respect of his power and when Usyk was clipped by Joshua he countered immediately every time. I think Joshua might be finished at the top level and will be a top 3 fighter but will never hold onto belts again. If Fury gets the belts there is no chance that Joshua will beat him for the belts. If Fury retires and Wilder gets the belts that is the only chance I see Joshua holding belts again but Wilder is not going to beat Usyk. The only person who can beat Usyk is Fury imo.

The hype on AJ is already gone, he is no longer invincible as been promoted, his flaw has been exposed specially by Usyk in this fight. He can't fight a technical boxer. But a fight between him and Wilder is good match up, but I don't think as well that he can take out Wilder. Punch per punch Wilder is stronger than him.

So if AJ chooses to exercise his rematch clause, I'm not seeing him getting his belt back. Usyk has the blue print already, he will just used it again. I agree that Fury can beat Usyk, probably by late stoppage of a UD.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2021, 08:07:36 AM

You are right, there is no way the score by any account could have been 115-113 on any scorecard. That judge was over complimentary towards Joshua to say the least. When Joshua sat down after the fight he had nothing left in the tank, he simply was not good enough on the night and this is not the first time he has been beaten by a fighter that is technically better than him.

I think Joshua knew very early on he would not win the fight but the question is why did he not try to even once unleash his right hand with an uppercut or hook with his maximum power? Over 12 rounds he his boxing simply was not good enough.

Quote from: KTChampions on September 27, 2021, 07:01:47 AM

Yes, perhaps by this moment Joshua finally came to his senses (after the final bell he could not stand on his feet and was sitting in the corner) and that was the moment when he realized that he had completely lost the fight and lost all belts.

By the way, I don't know what part of the body the judge watched the fight with, who gave the score 115-113 - but obviously not with his eyes. Usyk's advantage was more obvious.

Yes, it was interesting to me too, we did not hear anything about any problems with Joshua's health, but even in the first rounds his blows looked not like blows, but like sluggish waving away from flies.

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on September 27, 2021, 07:49:05 AM

Even if the trilogy between Fury and Wilder takes place we will see Fury facing Usyk if Fury is undefeated by that time. Everything is mixed up right now, the potential fight everyone was looking for is gone forever by the way things are going and if it happens it will not have the same hype they had before the Joshua loss. If Fury wins the trilogy against Wilder we might see Fury and Usyk fighting next year.

I will not be surprised if this happens, as in the Joshua - Usyk fight, it seems to me that in the Fury - Wilder fight, Fury's chances are too high (from the bookmakers and the public), after realizing the mistakes (I'm sure it happened) Wilder will have no less real chance of winning than Fury.

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^^ It just dawn on me, a fight will be Fury vs Usyk might be boring? No?

Both are technical fighters, as we all know that style makes fights right? So two fighters with the same style? Maybe we will see that no one wants to throw punch and wait for the others to make mistakes? So we don't know if Fury will be the aggressor on that fight and Usyk contend to counter punch or let Fury missed his punch.

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I hope that next fight Fury will have against Usyk. Just think about how funny their press conference is going to be, as both fighters love to make fun of their opponents or the press. Instead of trash talk or saying "I will KO you in first round" or "I will rip your head off".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWJy7sV0UA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGVL6Q_j6Y

Olexander Usyk is so kind and funny. I think it is hard to find him angry outside the ring

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 27, 2021, 02:35:37 PM

Many professionals knew Usyk could win the fight, I only learned about that minutes before the fight started and they were speaking in the commentary in the studio. Those that fought against him at cruiserweight knew he was the real deal. Those professionals that saw his cruiserweight fights also knew he was well capable of winning.

I always thought Usyk would fall short and Joshua would win but what do I know? Grin

Usyk now can now double his money with the Joshua re-match and if he wins again he will probably take part in the richest heavyweight boxing fight of all time which will make the winner the unified undisputed heavyweight champion.

I think Fury will hold all the belts then will retire undefeated Grin

Bellew was one of the best Cruiserweights in history and he got defeated against Usyk by knockout. I thought Bellew was winning most of the fight up until the knockout but Usyk proved he was a good boxer before fighting Joshua but I think most people try to describe and hype up Joshua as this undefeated opponent because of his appearance. A man like Joshua should not be losing against Ruiz and I think now fighters see his flaws and are not scared of him any more. Usyk showed little respect of his power and when Usyk was clipped by Joshua he countered immediately every time. I think Joshua might be finished at the top level and will be a top 3 fighter but will never hold onto belts again. If Fury gets the belts there is no chance that Joshua will beat him for the belts. If Fury retires and Wilder gets the belts that is the only chance I see Joshua holding belts again but Wilder is not going to beat Usyk. The only person who can beat Usyk is Fury imo.

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I didn't bet on this fight but I was watching the fight live and I was rooting for Alexander Usik. Terrific fight, both boxers showed good technique and speed. I was especially happy with the end of the 12th round when Usik took the initiative and did some good punches. Congratulations to all who bet on Usik and of course to the Ukrainians with a victory!

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Many professionals knew Usyk could win the fight, I only learned about that minutes before the fight started and they were speaking in the commentary in the studio. Those that fought against him at cruiserweight knew he was the real deal. Those professionals that saw his cruiserweight fights also knew he was well capable of winning.

I always thought Usyk would fall short and Joshua would win but what do I know? Grin

Usyk now can now double his money with the Joshua re-match and if he wins again he will probably take part in the richest heavyweight boxing fight of all time which will make the winner the unified undisputed heavyweight champion.

I think Fury will hold all the belts then will retire undefeated Grin

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Personally, I am so pained with the outcome. I won't lie, I am disappointed with Joshua because I was rooting for him. Imagine what other fighters would think of him now. He was indestructible but not anymore. I pardoned his first defeat but this second defeat is too much for me to bear. He should just take some time-off the ring and maybe go someplace to an island and start training all over again. I am heartbroken.

You are not the only one as there are many that did not expect Joshua to loose the fight, but there were many that knew about the skills of Usyk and made huge amount of bets on him and we all know how he struggled against Ruiz in the first fight and the only reason he won the rematch was because Ruiz was not training properly for the rematch as he was enjoying his new found richness and popularity.

I do not think it is the only reason that Joshua won the rematch Joshua made the most of Ruiz coming in more out of shape then the 1st fight and went with a more boxing style using his reach to keep the power shots of Ruiz away from him but because Ruiz could not move as much as he could in the 1st fight he could not get close enough to Joshua to hurt him but the times that he did Joshua looked worried. Joshua made good adjustments in that fight but the rematch with Usyk if there is one will be totally different Uysk is a fighter that keeps getting better in his career and he is not going to be out of shape and I think he will be better in the rematch then he was this time because he will be more composed and will know the weaknesses of Joshua more. Joshua needs to come into this rematch with everything on the line and fight like he used to before the Ruiz fight and try and knock Uysk out because he is never going to unbox or out point him.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 27, 2021, 10:49:19 AM

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Personally, I am so pained with the outcome. I won't lie, I am disappointed with Joshua because I was rooting for him. Imagine what other fighters would think of him now. He was indestructible but not anymore. I pardoned his first defeat but this second defeat is too much for me to bear. He should just take some time-off the ring and maybe go someplace to an island and start training all over again. I am heartbroken.

You are not the only one as there are many that did not expect Joshua to loose the fight, but there were many that knew about the skills of Usyk and made huge amount of bets on him and we all know how he struggled against Ruiz in the first fight and the only reason he won the rematch was because Ruiz was not training properly for the rematch as he was enjoying his new found richness and popularity.

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That was a great fight anyway. What I liked, that both fighters respected each other and there were not trash talk before the fight, and after the fight Joshua admitted, that Usyk was better that night. If I am not mistaken, they both unofficially agreed for a rematch.

I personally bet for Joshua victory in that fight Cry

, but him surprisingly lost by unanimous points and had to be willing to lose the WBA, WBO, IBF, and IBO heavyweight title belts and this became his second title loss after what happened in 2019, and In my opinion, Joshua performance in that fight didn't seem to be his best performance so far, because I saw Joshua's appearance in the previous fight looks very good, and I think Fury will be a comparable opponent for Ussyk for the next fight.

Personally, I am so pained with the outcome. I won't lie, I am disappointed with Joshua because I was rooting for him. Imagine what other fighters would think of him now. He was indestructible but not anymore. I pardoned his first defeat but this second defeat is too much for me to bear. He should just take some time-off the ring and maybe go someplace to an island and start training all over again. I am heartbroken.

The Ruiz result really hurt Joshua you can see that he no longer wants to sit in front of his opponent and throw punches and instead tries to box more but he has never been a good boxer but a boxer that has very good knockout power. It is disappointing to see such a iconic figure take a big decline recently but it happens to the best and most legends of boxing pick up losses towards the end of their careers. I know Joshua is still young 31/32 but I do not see him having a long career he looks like he has lost that spark and did not talk to the media after the fight and went straight to his hotel.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 27, 2021, 01:18:22 AM

That was a great fight anyway. What I liked, that both fighters respected each other and there were not trash talk before the fight, and after the fight Joshua admitted, that Usyk was better that night. If I am not mistaken, they both unofficially agreed for a rematch.

I personally bet for Joshua victory in that fight Cry

, but him surprisingly lost by unanimous points and had to be willing to lose the WBA, WBO, IBF, and IBO heavyweight title belts and this became his second title loss after what happened in 2019, and In my opinion, Joshua performance in that fight didn't seem to be his best performance so far, because I saw Joshua's appearance in the previous fight looks very good, and I think Fury will be a comparable opponent for Ussyk for the next fight.

Personally, I am so pained with the outcome. I won't lie, I am disappointed with Joshua because I was rooting for him. Imagine what other fighters would think of him now. He was indestructible but not anymore. I pardoned his first defeat but this second defeat is too much for me to bear. He should just take some time-off the ring and maybe go someplace to an island and start training all over again. I am heartbroken.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 27, 2021, 01:18:22 AM

That was a great fight anyway. What I liked, that both fighters respected each other and there were not trash talk before the fight, and after the fight Joshua admitted, that Usyk was better that night. If I am not mistaken, they both unofficially agreed for a rematch.

I personally bet for Joshua victory in that fight Cry

, but him surprisingly lost by unanimous points and had to be willing to lose the WBA, WBO, IBF, and IBO heavyweight title belts and this became his second title loss after what happened in 2019, and In my opinion, Joshua performance in that fight didn't seem to be his best performance so far, because I saw Joshua's appearance in the previous fight looks very good, and I think Fury will be a comparable opponent for Ussyk for the next fight.

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You are right, there is no way the score by any account could have been 115-113 on any scorecard. That judge was over complimentary towards Joshua to say the least. When Joshua sat down after the fight he had nothing left in the tank, he simply was not good enough on the night and this is not the first time he has been beaten by a fighter that is technically better than him.

I think Joshua knew very early on he would not win the fight but the question is why did he not try to even once unleash his right hand with an uppercut or hook with his maximum power? Over 12 rounds he his boxing simply was not good enough.

Quote from: KTChampions on September 27, 2021, 07:01:47 AM

Yes, perhaps by this moment Joshua finally came to his senses (after the final bell he could not stand on his feet and was sitting in the corner) and that was the moment when he realized that he had completely lost the fight and lost all belts.

By the way, I don't know what part of the body the judge watched the fight with, who gave the score 115-113 - but obviously not with his eyes. Usyk's advantage was more obvious.

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