Topic: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 17. (Read 3520 times)

There is still no official confirmation the re-match will go ahead. It looks like pen to paper has not happened but a date for February/March 2022 has been outlined.

As usual with re-matches, the location and other issues have not yet been agreed but it is inevitable the fight will go ahead: Talksport Article

I think we all want that, we want to see the fight for an undisputed champion happen at the soonest but Joshua has the right to invoke a rematch and I think he has done so already, and while I think his chances are slim as he was beaten legitimately by Usyk at the same time he needs to invoke that clause on his contract otherwise most likely he is not going to have a chance at getting those belts ever again, so this will delay the fight we want to see for at least a year.

Dont know it this is really plays a huge difference, but I've read that in Joshua vs Ruiz first fight Joshua weighed unusually a lot, compared to his regular weight. Joshua even said that with extra weight he wanted to be stronger, plus he mentioned that he chased Ruiz instead of cutting corners. As if he was clumsy and used wrong tactics.

During their second fight Joshua was much leaner. If I found correct numbers, he was 12lbs lighter. Is this weight difference significant for a heavyweight ?

Joshua can beat Usyk, that is possible but is it likely? As you said, some people said yes and some said no. One thing for sure is that Usyk will not go the same way as Ruiz did when he was focusing more on partying and having fun rather than train heavily with a view to defend his title against Joshua in the re-match.

But still, any experts will think that he is not enough for Fury, Usyk is not underrated anymore but if he wants to be line up to all the great heavyweights in the present generation, he needs to beat Fury and win decisively to Joshua again, many think that Joshua can come back and beat Usyk again just like he did to Andy Ruiz, the rematch is on now and Joshua and Usyk will be back in training, now the table is turned to Joshua he must prove that his career will continue and for Usyk to prove that he is lined up to great heavyweights.

Usyk is no longer underrated by the masses after he triumphed over Joshua. If he wins the re-match (which he probably will) then he will put that whole issue to rest. He deserves a big money opportunity fighting against the winner of the Fury vs Wilder III fight because he moved up from cruiserweight to heavyweight which is not easy.

Wilder messed with that plan of a big panty night for Fury and Joshua and that fight will not create that kind of interest even if they fight now. The hype will be between undefeated fighters Usyk and Fury will be interesting as those are the two undefeated boxers right now and if the promoters the fight well, then they could attract the causal fans.

Even if Joshua happens to win the rematch, something I doubt, the fight will no longer represent as much money for him as this means his record for his last 4 fights would be 2-2, and the time he fought at the US he was dominated by Ruiz, so the interest and the hype will come from Fury and the belts not him so this will weaken what his agent can get from Fury’s camp, however if he losses against Usyk Fury could still fight him just to please the fans as that is something people wanted to see and he knows there would me almost no risk of losing to Joshua.

Usyk is an underrated boxer, he dominated Joshua who is a champion and suppose to make big money on a big fight against Fury, I think that plan was ruined now unless Joshua will ask for a rematch and beat Usyk convincingly.

I hope it will be realize because there are some boxing event now that are cancelled or move its data, and fans might be disappointed.
Oleksandr Usyk expects Anthony Joshua rematch in 'February or March'

The critics can be anyone and you will not hear anyone before the event, you will only hear them after the event and then dissecting the situation as if they knew well beforehand. The same you can see in every aspect of life, in the financial sectors and in the cryptocurrency market as well. You will not hear from them well before it happens, but once it happens you will hear them tell that they knew well beforehand  .

It is always easy to criticize someone that has suffered a lost recently and that is down on the ground at the moment and in moments like that a lot of people appeara and say "i knew it, Joshua has always sucked", which is now a pretty easy thing to do. I also think though that Joshua was hyped way to much in the past and some people said back then that he is already one of the all-time greats. Joshua has definitely one of the most impressive physiques of all time and he also has tremendous punching power and he can knockout every opponent with one punch, but from a technical point of view he never was a great boxer (better than Wilder though), in that regard Usyk and of course Fury are way ahead of Joshua and have always been.

I would like to see Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk battle them out rather than want to see Anthony Joshua now after a defeat to Usyk and the reason is because Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury are technical boxers and i want to see them battle it out and they are undefeated. It may to spike the interest of causal fans but i find that fight intriguing.

The bookmakers know of Usyk he holds a title in the cruiser weight division and I think everyone knew that he was a good fighter. Bellew talked about it before the match and how good he is. The bookmakers have all the experts and they consult with the professionals too. Usyk is a special boxer and the only person I see competing with him is Fury and Fury has the height and weight advantage more then Joshua. I do not see Joshua winning the rematch I know he has activiated it and they are expected to fight next year but I cannot see a way that he wins unless he gets a lucky punch. Usyk moves a lot and keeps his head moving all the time Joshua would need to time it perfectly to have a chance. He will never outbox him Usyk is the superior boxer. Fury and Usyk is a exciting match up that no one was thinking about a year ago. Hopefully Fury beats Wilder because Wilder vs Usyk would be a disappointment I think with Usyk winning every round.

The bookies are not really in favor of anyone except themselves when it comes to giving the odds to any sport event, what happened is that the people forced those high odds.

It is similar to what we see in this market when we see FOMO taking place, a coin which does not deserve it goes up in value because the expectation has been created that it will keep going up in value, in this case many casual fans did not knew who Usyk was so when they had to make their bets they decided to bet on Joshua simply because he was the favorite.

The bookies were in favor of Joshua because people were more familiar with him and that greatly influenced on the odds. The bookies made odds to look like a Joshua is a clearly favorite in the fight. But in reality all the odds must be identical.

I've read and watched dozen of boxing specialists reviews. All of them were saying there is no clear underdog and a favorite, and all of them added that Usyk is a very, very inconvenient opponent.

I am even sure, people who made bet, are not even familiar who Usyk is. AJ - huge, heavy, knocked out Klitchko, has titles. People are familiar with boxers from kings weight - heavyweight division. Who is that cruiserweight from Ukrain that want to face champ? No idea. That what majority thought. If we ask people who is champion in cruiser or light heavy, people will just shrug.

I do not think it was a expected loss as you say because if you looked at the odds before the fight everyone thought that Joshua was going to win convincingly and by knockout. The gambling websites even had Joshua winning by points at better chances then Usyk. I agree with you that Usyk is a difficult opponent for any one and not just Joshua but saying it was the expected result is not accurate imo.

I agree which is why I think that once Usyk gets rid of any obligation he has left with Joshua then he is going to avoid the fight with Fury for at least a year, he needs to get heavier and he needs to do this by more natural means than the path Joshua did which was to pump his muscles, he needs to gain weight in a more natural way, he does not need to reach the same weight as Fury but he needs at least 20 more pounds just to get a chance against the unification fight we are all expecting.

Are you speaking about Usyk opponents in heavyweight or in cruisersweight? I can speak for cruiserweight - Usyk has beaten everybody who were top1-top3 places on boxrec. Bellew, Briedis, Mchunu, Huck. Of course his heavyweight opponents were not from top. But they were like a warm-up.

I am not criticizing Joshua, but Usyk was a very inconvenient opponent. Southpaw. Joshua never experienced a southpaw of such a high level, as well as he has fought against a southpaw only once. It was a natural and expected loss.

At the end of the fight Usyk hit Joshua so much so that Joshua lowered his hands and was sitting on the ropes waiting to be battered and floored, he thought a KO was coming but Usyk was also out of stream by that point and was waiting to get his breath back to begin his final flurry of punches but the bell was sounded - it was round 12 after all.

Had it been 19 seconds remaining instead of 9 then Usyk would have won by knockout because Joshua would not have risen before the count of 10.



The defeats to Ruiz and Usyk proved how technically inept Joshua really is. With that body frame and physical aesthetics he should be bullying opponents and being on the front foot but he is incapable of doing that against dangerous opponents. The more worrying thing for team Joshua and the fighter himself would be the manner in which his victories came against fighters that he should have defeated within 3-4 rounds such as Povetkin (7 rounds) and Pulev (9 rounds) when both fighters around 39 years old. Even the victory against Wladimir Klitschko was a close call because Joshua was floored for the first time in his career but he ended up defeating 41 year old Klitschko in 11 rounds.

Those statistics do not provide reason to be enthusiastic about Joshua vs Usyk II. If Joshua loses to Usyk then his career is effectively over but if he manages to defeat Usyk he will probably be beaten by the winner of Fury vs Wilder III because on current he will be demolished by Fury and would not stand much of a chance against Wilder either.

For Joshua if he really wants redemption and he really wants to be taken seriously then he needs an emphatic victory against Usyk by a KO because there is no way he can outbox or outlast Usyk over 12 rounds. Joshua needs a new game plan otherwise he will face the consequences of his inaction when he meets Usyk for the re-match.

Yes, that's how after accepting defeat in every match or fight there must be criticism, and if you look at the traces of the fight between the two, I think it's because they are great and not because the opponent is older or anything.
and a name will be famous once they can show something good in their fight and I think Anthony Joshua and Usyk are really great boxers throughout their career, and in the rematch I think Usky will beat Anthony Joshua for the second time. because I think Usky is much better, especially his speed and dangerous left-handedness.