Boxing: Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney (9th of December) - page 10.

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So the date remains alive but we haven't heard from the Haney team if they are still fighting on the said date. The contract has been signed though so I also wonder if the Haney's are just going to honor the date.

As for Regis Prograis, it's very funny since he said that if Haney is not ready then he is looking forward to giving Adrien Broner a shot at his belt. And Broner lately also said that he is back and is interested in facing the belt holders. It's funny though. I wonder if Broner can still make the 140-weight limit. Broner with his popularity became the target of Prograis, Rolly Romero, and Ryan Garcia. They're probably seeing Adrien Broner as a high reward with low low risk. Cheesy

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Quote from: mirakal on August 28, 2023, 09:42:02 AM

For Haney, the undisputed champion didn't even bother to explain why they chose to move the fight in October 28 and that is already a big disrespect for Regis. He wasn't even informed about why the other camp is rushing the fight. If I'm on Regis's shoes, I'd forget this deal and make another fight because I'm not the one who is chasing.

I couldn't say more because to be frank and honest, I'd do that as well if I'm the champion and Devin Haney disrespected my status. This division is certainly not for Haney because he's not yet a bonafide 140 pound boxer and he should know his position because he's not the one calling the shots here, Regis is.
And if November is the month agreed by the both camps then so be it, because in the article that I've read, both camps already agreed to contest it somewhere in November but when it's time to sign the contract, Haney suddenly proposed something out of the blue.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 28, 2023, 08:19:56 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on August 27, 2023, 05:06:17 PM

^^ Well you can read it here, Josh Taylor planning to move up in weight class after losing welterweight unbeaten record.

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Josh Taylor spoke about moving up to welterweight imminently after suffering the first defeat of his career to Teofimo Lopez in New York on Saturday night.

The 32-year-old Scot started the defence of his WBO and Ring Magazine super-lightweight titles at The Theater at Madison Square Garden looking like he had the measure of his Brooklyn opponent.

He doesn't have to prove anything at 140 lbs already, he has unified the belt but after that he has been struggling to make that weight. So obviously, it's the right decision for him and his camp to move up in weight class. And in the past he also said that he has sparred Ugas, who is a big 147 lbs and it went find. So definitely, I believed that the next time he will fight, he will go up to welterweight.

As for the update on the fight, we haven't heard any, and if I remember it correctly, this fight is happening around October-November time-frame.

Yeah, Josh Taylor should've just moved up even before. So he ended up being injured again and inactive which benefitted Teofimo Lopez. For me, he looked like a fighter without motivation anymore. We'll see if he can still show something impressive in his 147 debut because I don't see the fire in him anymore.

As for this fight, I don't know what's the fuss on Haney wanting an earlier date. Why not just do it in the middle of November something to give Prograis enough time to prepare? Haney is still very young but he is becoming like a b1tch already trying to exploit his opponents. As if he is not boring to watch.

I agree. Josh Taylor should've made that move much sooner before he suffered and scathed his record against the lucky Teo Lopez because if he did that, he might've been still an undefeated now and had already made a successful debut at 147 because it was clear that 140 is not for him anymore. I don't know what he expected but he sure do have some problems because he cannot weigh the situation clearly anymore compared to his younger days where he was so active.

For Haney, the undisputed champion didn't even bother to explain why they chose to move the fight in October 28 and that is already a big disrespect for Regis. He wasn't even informed about why the other camp is rushing the fight. If I'm on Regis's shoes, I'd forget this deal and make another fight because I'm not the one who is chasing.

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As for this fight, I don't know what's the fuss on Haney wanting an earlier date. Why not just do it in the middle of November something to give Prograis enough time to prepare? Haney is still very young but he is becoming like a b1tch already trying to exploit his opponents. As if he is not boring to watch.

He's the challenger, yet he seems to want to dictate the terms, which isn't a favorable approach.

His demands come across as rather assertive, as if he's confident he can defeat the current champion. Without a doubt, he can be seen as a bit unexciting, but considering his objective of moving up in weight to contend for a championship again, it's clear he's taking on risks. Despite this, he should still show respect for the current champion and adhere to the terms that have been agreed upon. It's worth noting that it wouldn't be an issue if Prograis' camp is amenable, but ensuring both fighters have ample time to train is crucial. This helps avoid post-fight excuses from the loser.

Hmm, not sure about it as well, not that I want to insert religion here, but Haney is Muslim isn't it? Maybe there is some some kind of requirement for him to do before the actual date or after the date of the fight that's why he needs to adjust it.

But in any case, we really need to see this fight, currently I must say that Regis is one of the best if not the best champion at 140 lbs. I will not consider Teo Lopez a full fledge champion although he beat Taylor, but Josh was just weight drain and week at 140 lbs already.

I'm not sure about that as well because if that is truly the reason why Haney's camp suggested to move the fight at an earlier date then I bet Regis's camp would be understanding but since the latter wasn't, we can already assume that it wasn't the reason given which is why Regis was kind of upset about it because he didn't get the respect he deserved since he is the champion and not Haney.

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Quote from: Distinctin on August 28, 2023, 08:45:48 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on August 28, 2023, 08:19:56 AM

As for this fight, I don't know what's the fuss on Haney wanting an earlier date. Why not just do it in the middle of November something to give Prograis enough time to prepare? Haney is still very young but he is becoming like a b1tch already trying to exploit his opponents. As if he is not boring to watch.

He's the challenger, yet he seems to want to dictate the terms, which isn't a favorable approach.

His demands come across as rather assertive, as if he's confident he can defeat the current champion. Without a doubt, he can be seen as a bit unexciting, but considering his objective of moving up in weight to contend for a championship again, it's clear he's taking on risks. Despite this, he should still show respect for the current champion and adhere to the terms that have been agreed upon. It's worth noting that it wouldn't be an issue if Prograis' camp is amenable, but ensuring both fighters have ample time to train is crucial. This helps avoid post-fight excuses from the loser.

Hmm, not sure about it as well, not that I want to insert religion here, but Haney is Muslim isn't it? Maybe there is some some kind of requirement for him to do before the actual date or after the date of the fight that's why he needs to adjust it.

But in any case, we really need to see this fight, currently I must say that Regis is one of the best if not the best champion at 140 lbs. I will not consider Teo Lopez a full fledge champion although he beat Taylor, but Josh was just weight drain and week at 140 lbs already.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 28, 2023, 08:19:56 AM

As for this fight, I don't know what's the fuss on Haney wanting an earlier date. Why not just do it in the middle of November something to give Prograis enough time to prepare? Haney is still very young but he is becoming like a b1tch already trying to exploit his opponents. As if he is not boring to watch.

He's the challenger, yet he seems to want to dictate the terms, which isn't a favorable approach.

His demands come across as rather assertive, as if he's confident he can defeat the current champion. Without a doubt, he can be seen as a bit unexciting, but considering his objective of moving up in weight to contend for a championship again, it's clear he's taking on risks. Despite this, he should still show respect for the current champion and adhere to the terms that have been agreed upon. It's worth noting that it wouldn't be an issue if Prograis' camp is amenable, but ensuring both fighters have ample time to train is crucial. This helps avoid post-fight excuses from the loser.

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Quote from: Kemarit on August 27, 2023, 05:06:17 PM

^^ Well you can read it here, Josh Taylor planning to move up in weight class after losing welterweight unbeaten record.

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Josh Taylor spoke about moving up to welterweight imminently after suffering the first defeat of his career to Teofimo Lopez in New York on Saturday night.

The 32-year-old Scot started the defence of his WBO and Ring Magazine super-lightweight titles at The Theater at Madison Square Garden looking like he had the measure of his Brooklyn opponent.

He doesn't have to prove anything at 140 lbs already, he has unified the belt but after that he has been struggling to make that weight. So obviously, it's the right decision for him and his camp to move up in weight class. And in the past he also said that he has sparred Ugas, who is a big 147 lbs and it went find. So definitely, I believed that the next time he will fight, he will go up to welterweight.

As for the update on the fight, we haven't heard any, and if I remember it correctly, this fight is happening around October-November time-frame.

Yeah, Josh Taylor should've just moved up even before. So he ended up being injured again and inactive which benefitted Teofimo Lopez. For me, he looked like a fighter without motivation anymore. We'll see if he can still show something impressive in his 147 debut because I don't see the fire in him anymore.

As for this fight, I don't know what's the fuss on Haney wanting an earlier date. Why not just do it in the middle of November something to give Prograis enough time to prepare? Haney is still very young but he is becoming like a b1tch already trying to exploit his opponents. As if he is not boring to watch.

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^^ Well you can read it here, Josh Taylor planning to move up in weight class after losing welterweight unbeaten record.

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Josh Taylor spoke about moving up to welterweight imminently after suffering the first defeat of his career to Teofimo Lopez in New York on Saturday night.

The 32-year-old Scot started the defence of his WBO and Ring Magazine super-lightweight titles at The Theater at Madison Square Garden looking like he had the measure of his Brooklyn opponent.

He doesn't have to prove anything at 140 lbs already, he has unified the belt but after that he has been struggling to make that weight. So obviously, it's the right decision for him and his camp to move up in weight class. And in the past he also said that he has sparred Ugas, who is a big 147 lbs and it went find. So definitely, I believed that the next time he will fight, he will go up to welterweight.

As for the update on the fight, we haven't heard any, and if I remember it correctly, this fight is happening around October-November time-frame.

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All right, so here is the reason why Devin and his dad wanted to move the fight date earlier. For me, it makes sense to move the date otherwise they will go head-to-head against Tyson Fury's fight against Francis Ngannou. I mean this fight is the better match-up but most likely only for the boxing hard cores. But it is still a bitch move not consulting Regis Prograis especially since he is the defending champion. They can move the fight to a later date like a week or 2 after the Fury-Ngannou and not before that.

The Tyson Fury fight is in the early afternoon so there really shouldn't be a scheduling conflict. We often see that when there is a big fight in Europe or the Middle East, promoters will still schedule events for later in the day in the United States. It would only be an issue if they also want to make Haney vs. Prograis a pay-per-view fight because people wouldn't want to spend on two different fights in the same day. Neither of these guys is popular enough for this fight to be worthy of being pay-per-view. Haney is just being a diva for whatever reason.

I actually understand why they wanted to move the date. But I think that is not actually necessary to be honest. I believe the Haney fight is going to be a good one anyway. And there is no reason for him to make such a fuss about changing the date.

Obviously, people are going to want to see the other fight. Tyson Fury versus Francis, those two are definitely much more popular. And also will be able to bring in a huge amount of money. Because we got the interest of two worlds, two sets of fans, in this fight.

I assume this fight is on pay-per-view as well. Devin Haney is paid millions of dollars per fight since his fight over Kambosos so I guess a million or two is not enough for him anymore. I remember when Eddie Hearn upon knowing Haney's promotional contract with Top Rank expired mentioned that he is becoming an expensive fighter and that he might not afford his services anymore. So it simply means that his fights are going to be on PPV.

Devin Haney is popular only to hardcore fans and while Prograis is a KO artist, he doesn't have a huge fanbase as well. Fury-Ngannou is a mismatch and is nowhere near the quality of Prograis-Haney but Fury has a huge fanbase and Ngannou might have the backing of the huge MMA community.

Yes, just to be fair with Haney, if he fights Prograis, he should be considered the A-side as he has been fighting good to great boxers and beating them. However, Prograis, may not ring a bell for casual fans, but if you check his record, he is a very good boxer as well and a KO artist and he almost beat the last unified 140 lbs champion in Josh Taylor.

And that's what make this fight exciting for us, a KO artist in Prograis and then Haney using his defense to his advantage and maybe beat Prograis with that kind of strategy and not allowing himself to get hit by the power of Regis here. But this should be at least fair for Regis to also get a good money in the purse split as he had the belt here.

Agree. So the A-side here is the challenger. I haven't fully watched the Taylor-Prograis unification fight but the stats are actually favoring Prograis slightly. Prograis keeps talking about wanting a rematch against Taylor or a fight with Ramirez yet he made the opposite move by refusing Top Rank's bigger offer and went to Matchroom.

I wonder if this fight is still a go. I hope this fight goes on. I want to see how Haney fares against a proven champion at 140 while I am also eager to see if Prograis still has it or if he is already declining as seen in his last fight.

I don't know why as well on why the rematch between Prograis and Taylor didn't materialized, or was there even a discussion about it? Anyway, if I'm correct, the later isn't having anymore of it as he might've though that his chapter against Prograis is already finish and there's nothing to prove anymore.

Now that Prograis is going to be challenged by an undisputed champion from 135, I bet he's thrilled by it specially after the fact that there are lots of fans thinking that he might lose this one because even if Haney is not a heavy hitter unlike like him, the unified champion got another asset that is quite difficult to approach.

It's because Taylor chasing that other belts as well, so he didn't get to rematch Regis, but fight Ramirez to get the last of the belts, thus declaring him the unified champion. Then take a break and then fought Catterall, supposedly easy fight for him, but it was the other way around as he almost lost that fight. So there were news of a rematch, then he got injured pulled it off (maybe a clear duck).
But then make the wrong move of fighting a fellow Top Rank fighter (Prograis as you have said goes to Matchroom, so the rematch is scratch), in Lopez and soundly beaten. So there are reports now that he wanted to move to 147 lbs in his next fight.

He might but there are still no clear indications that Taylor is indeed that inclined to climb the next weight class, which gave me some thinking that he might seek a redemption fight first or a rematch versus Lopez instead before exiting his present weight class. Who knows, but as of now, there are still no reports.

Going back to the discussion, is the date still the same or it was moved to a much earlier date? Because that was the issue and Regis lashed it out on the social media so that the people will know what Team Haney is trying to do.