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All right, so here is the reason why Devin and his dad wanted to move the fight date earlier. For me, it makes sense to move the date otherwise they will go head-to-head against Tyson Fury's fight against Francis Ngannou. I mean this fight is the better match-up but most likely only for the boxing hard cores. But it is still a bitch move not consulting Regis Prograis especially since he is the defending champion. They can move the fight to a later date like a week or 2 after the Fury-Ngannou and not before that.

The Tyson Fury fight is in the early afternoon so there really shouldn't be a scheduling conflict. We often see that when there is a big fight in Europe or the Middle East, promoters will still schedule events for later in the day in the United States. It would only be an issue if they also want to make Haney vs. Prograis a pay-per-view fight because people wouldn't want to spend on two different fights in the same day. Neither of these guys is popular enough for this fight to be worthy of being pay-per-view. Haney is just being a diva for whatever reason.

I actually understand why they wanted to move the date. But I think that is not actually necessary to be honest. I believe the Haney fight is going to be a good one anyway. And there is no reason for him to make such a fuss about changing the date.

Obviously, people are going to want to see the other fight. Tyson Fury versus Francis, those two are definitely much more popular. And also will be able to bring in a huge amount of money. Because we got the interest of two worlds, two sets of fans, in this fight.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 16, 2023, 04:02:00 PM

All right, so here is the reason why Devin and his dad wanted to move the fight date earlier. For me, it makes sense to move the date otherwise they will go head-to-head against Tyson Fury's fight against Francis Ngannou. I mean this fight is the better match-up but most likely only for the boxing hard cores. But it is still a bitch move not consulting Regis Prograis especially since he is the defending champion. They can move the fight to a later date like a week or 2 after the Fury-Ngannou and not before that.

The Tyson Fury fight is in the early afternoon so there really shouldn't be a scheduling conflict. We often see that when there is a big fight in Europe or the Middle East, promoters will still schedule events for later in the day in the United States. It would only be an issue if they also want to make Haney vs. Prograis a pay-per-view fight because people wouldn't want to spend on two different fights in the same day. Neither of these guys is popular enough for this fight to be worthy of being pay-per-view. Haney is just being a diva for whatever reason.

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The present champion, Regis Prograis, has an impressive record as well. Although he is not an undefeated boxer, his KO rate is high—24 out of 29 fights, which is equivalent to an 82.7% KO rate. I hope he will be as quick as Haney so he will be able to hit him and use that high KO rate to his advantage.

You can't beat what you can't hit, and Haney is so good at hitting his opponent without getting hit, after Mayweather he is the best defensive boxer now, and I believe he can beat Prograis even if Prograis has a high knock-out ratio, Haney has beaten a lot of great punchers by his technical skills I don't know who will be the favorite by experts here but this early he is my favorite to win by decision.

Though technically you're right, one cannot beat someone who he can't do damage with, but this fight will be interesting to watch as both fighters had a not-so good fight prior to this one. A lot of boxing fans said their last win was a robbery. Prograis could have been easily the favorite if not his last performance, I mean he won 4 straight TKO's after he lost to Taylor in 2019. While Haney was being rocked by a smaller and aged fighter who is out of his prime during his last fight against Loma. I know Prograis is not as fast and agile as Loma but his a power puncher and I doubt Haney's chin though, 12 rounds is pretty long to try and defend yourself not getting hit by a hard hit. Nevertheless, Haney is a good defensive fighter let's just see who will prevail.

Let's see if Haney can still intercept and avoid Regis power punches because that is his only chance to win this fight because his technicality will always be a thing and his asset no matter what division he fights on, but those defensive maneuvers while throwing a counterattack will somehow vary as the more you weight, the slower you'll get specially if 140 is not your comfortable weight. Anyway, this will be a good fight as both of them have a thing to prove.

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If only power is the only factor and measurement to be the best of super-lightweight division then Devin Haney wouldn't have any problems but he shouldn't forget that it will be a new weight for him and a new division as well, and while he's still adjusting to the weight, his opponents like Regis Prograis who is more comfortable at 140 will not show him mercy just because of that. Haney does have a chance, I'll give him that, but not as decent compared to the one whom he will face. And Teo Lopez? It turns out that he's just an underrated boxer who actually does have a chance to be one of the bad guys at 140 and let's not forget Josh Taylor, I think he can still bounce back.

Haney is high technical and has reach advantage, so I don't really think different weight will give him a trouble.

Prograis, Matias, Romero and Lopez aren't high technical boxers, so it will be pretty hard to beat Haney. Well maybe Josh Taylor has a chance to fight with Haney even though he not own any title, but his last performance against Catterall and Lopez were not good.

Lopez actually an overrated boxer due to his popularity, he's strong and has a stamina, but his performance is just not stable.

I don't know what you're trying to say but reach advantage doesn't have anything to do with the weight needed to fight at 140 lbs., there is even no guarantee that he can even defeat and dominate the guys who are more comfortable at that weight class compared to him.

Look, I know that you might have high hopes towards Haney or something like that but the path that he's stepping into is still unknown and anything can happen because it's not his division to begin with. What more now that he's going directly towards the champion instead of trying a much safer debut first.

I understand why Haney chose to directly challenge the champion, as he believes he can defeat the champion and this match presents a significant opportunity to earn more money. From a promoter's perspective, this is an appealing fight, and it's possible that the organization permitted it, similar to Inoue moving up in weight to challenge and beat the champion Fulton with ease. As for this fight, its outcome remains uncertain, but looking at the odds from sportsbooks, Haney is the clear favorite to win.

There is nothing wrong about them facing each other in a fair fight in the agreed time frame because that's how the boxing works and we cannot deny Haney's right to approach a different division because he sees himself as a future champion in a different level but what happened is Haney is requesting a very lowball offer, he wanted to have the majority of the purse and then he wanted to contest it in a much earlier date and time which was not on their negotiations to begin with. He should also understand the opposite camp because this is not all about him.

Haven't heard about that news because most of their tensions are just mere nonsense and were just made to add some fuel to the fire to attract more audience because we already know that Haney doesn't know how to market a fight aside from being boring in the ring. But as per their schedule, they are still set to face each other on October 28 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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The present champion, Regis Prograis, has an impressive record as well. Although he is not an undefeated boxer, his KO rate is high—24 out of 29 fights, which is equivalent to an 82.7% KO rate. I hope he will be as quick as Haney so he will be able to hit him and use that high KO rate to his advantage.

You can't beat what you can't hit, and Haney is so good at hitting his opponent without getting hit, after Mayweather he is the best defensive boxer now, and I believe he can beat Prograis even if Prograis has a high knock-out ratio, Haney has beaten a lot of great punchers by his technical skills I don't know who will be the favorite by experts here but this early he is my favorite to win by decision.

Though technically you're right, one cannot beat someone who he can't do damage with, but this fight will be interesting to watch as both fighters had a not-so good fight prior to this one. A lot of boxing fans said their last win was a robbery. Prograis could have been easily the favorite if not his last performance, I mean he won 4 straight TKO's after he lost to Taylor in 2019. While Haney was being rocked by a smaller and aged fighter who is out of his prime during his last fight against Loma. I know Prograis is not as fast and agile as Loma but his a power puncher and I doubt Haney's chin though, 12 rounds is pretty long to try and defend yourself not getting hit by a hard hit. Nevertheless, Haney is a good defensive fighter let's just see who will prevail.

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If only power is the only factor and measurement to be the best of super-lightweight division then Devin Haney wouldn't have any problems but he shouldn't forget that it will be a new weight for him and a new division as well, and while he's still adjusting to the weight, his opponents like Regis Prograis who is more comfortable at 140 will not show him mercy just because of that. Haney does have a chance, I'll give him that, but not as decent compared to the one whom he will face. And Teo Lopez? It turns out that he's just an underrated boxer who actually does have a chance to be one of the bad guys at 140 and let's not forget Josh Taylor, I think he can still bounce back.

Haney is high technical and has reach advantage, so I don't really think different weight will give him a trouble.

Prograis, Matias, Romero and Lopez aren't high technical boxers, so it will be pretty hard to beat Haney. Well maybe Josh Taylor has a chance to fight with Haney even though he not own any title, but his last performance against Catterall and Lopez were not good.

Lopez actually an overrated boxer due to his popularity, he's strong and has a stamina, but his performance is just not stable.

I don't know what you're trying to say but reach advantage doesn't have anything to do with the weight needed to fight at 140 lbs., there is even no guarantee that he can even defeat and dominate the guys who are more comfortable at that weight class compared to him.

Look, I know that you might have high hopes towards Haney or something like that but the path that he's stepping into is still unknown and anything can happen because it's not his division to begin with. What more now that he's going directly towards the champion instead of trying a much safer debut first.

I understand why Haney chose to directly challenge the champion, as he believes he can defeat the champion and this match presents a significant opportunity to earn more money. From a promoter's perspective, this is an appealing fight, and it's possible that the organization permitted it, similar to Inoue moving up in weight to challenge and beat the champion Fulton with ease. As for this fight, its outcome remains uncertain, but looking at the odds from sportsbooks, Haney is the clear favorite to win.

There is nothing wrong about them facing each other in a fair fight in the agreed time frame because that's how the boxing works and we cannot deny Haney's right to approach a different division because he sees himself as a future champion in a different level but what happened is Haney is requesting a very lowball offer, he wanted to have the majority of the purse and then he wanted to contest it in a much earlier date and time which was not on their negotiations to begin with. He should also understand the opposite camp because this is not all about him.

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If only power is the only factor and measurement to be the best of super-lightweight division then Devin Haney wouldn't have any problems but he shouldn't forget that it will be a new weight for him and a new division as well, and while he's still adjusting to the weight, his opponents like Regis Prograis who is more comfortable at 140 will not show him mercy just because of that. Haney does have a chance, I'll give him that, but not as decent compared to the one whom he will face. And Teo Lopez? It turns out that he's just an underrated boxer who actually does have a chance to be one of the bad guys at 140 and let's not forget Josh Taylor, I think he can still bounce back.

Haney is high technical and has reach advantage, so I don't really think different weight will give him a trouble.

Prograis, Matias, Romero and Lopez aren't high technical boxers, so it will be pretty hard to beat Haney. Well maybe Josh Taylor has a chance to fight with Haney even though he not own any title, but his last performance against Catterall and Lopez were not good.

Lopez actually an overrated boxer due to his popularity, he's strong and has a stamina, but his performance is just not stable.

I don't know what you're trying to say but reach advantage doesn't have anything to do with the weight needed to fight at 140 lbs., there is even no guarantee that he can even defeat and dominate the guys who are more comfortable at that weight class compared to him.

Look, I know that you might have high hopes towards Haney or something like that but the path that he's stepping into is still unknown and anything can happen because it's not his division to begin with. What more now that he's going directly towards the champion instead of trying a much safer debut first.

I understand why Haney chose to directly challenge the champion, as he believes he can defeat the champion and this match presents a significant opportunity to earn more money. From a promoter's perspective, this is an appealing fight, and it's possible that the organization permitted it, similar to Inoue moving up in weight to challenge and beat the champion Fulton with ease. As for this fight, its outcome remains uncertain, but looking at the odds from sportsbooks, Haney is the clear favorite to win.

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Quote from: Kasabus on August 16, 2023, 08:39:48 AM

If only power is the only factor and measurement to be the best of super-lightweight division then Devin Haney wouldn't have any problems but he shouldn't forget that it will be a new weight for him and a new division as well, and while he's still adjusting to the weight, his opponents like Regis Prograis who is more comfortable at 140 will not show him mercy just because of that. Haney does have a chance, I'll give him that, but not as decent compared to the one whom he will face. And Teo Lopez? It turns out that he's just an underrated boxer who actually does have a chance to be one of the bad guys at 140 and let's not forget Josh Taylor, I think he can still bounce back.

Haney is high technical and has reach advantage, so I don't really think different weight will give him a trouble.

Prograis, Matias, Romero and Lopez aren't high technical boxers, so it will be pretty hard to beat Haney. Well maybe Josh Taylor has a chance to fight with Haney even though he not own any title, but his last performance against Catterall and Lopez were not good.

Lopez actually an overrated boxer due to his popularity, he's strong and has a stamina, but his performance is just not stable.

I don't know what you're trying to say but reach advantage doesn't have anything to do with the weight needed to fight at 140 lbs., there is even no guarantee that he can even defeat and dominate the guys who are more comfortable at that weight class compared to him.

Look, I know that you might have high hopes towards Haney or something like that but the path that he's stepping into is still unknown and anything can happen because it's not his division to begin with. What more now that he's going directly towards the champion instead of trying a much safer debut first.

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This match was already floated much earlier. The date was supposed to be August 1, 2023, but there were disagreements. This might still push through on a later date nonetheless.

Anyway, I voted for Haney's victory by way of decision. He should win this. As a matter of fact, he should even knock out Prograis. Prograis is 10 years Haney's senior. Haney is at the peak of his career right now. Despite Prograis' high knockout ratio, Haney's fighting style and athleticism could very easily defend that. And with a significant reach advantage, Haney could easily keep Prograis at bay with a jab or two.

Despite Prograis' less than sterling boxing resume though, I'd still want him to win.

But if you look at Haney's record, his last KO win was 2019 against Antonio Moran. So after that all of his wins are in decision, or in the hands of the judges. So it's hard to see how he can knockout a champion in Regis Prograis. He took the best of this division in Josh Taylor to a SD loss.

And it's obvious that Regis has more power and Haney chin is not that good in my opinion. He even buckled his legs when Loma hit him in their last fight.

However, we will have to see whether this fight is going to happen or not since there is some issues with the money split here.

From my perspective, Haney seems to be approaching his fights more cautiously. He seems to prefer winning via the judges' scorecards rather than trying to knock out his opponent, especially when he knows he's leading in the scorecards. If we examine Haney's record after his KO victory, we see that all his wins have been via unanimous decisions. So, I suppose there's no need to alter his strategy if it guarantees him a victory. While I acknowledge he's the challenger, if he manages to make the champion appear inexperienced, there will be no controversy surrounding his win.

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Quote from: Darker45 on August 19, 2023, 01:46:27 AM

This match was already floated much earlier. The date was supposed to be August 1, 2023, but there were disagreements. This might still push through on a later date nonetheless.

Anyway, I voted for Haney's victory by way of decision. He should win this. As a matter of fact, he should even knock out Prograis. Prograis is 10 years Haney's senior. Haney is at the peak of his career right now. Despite Prograis' high knockout ratio, Haney's fighting style and athleticism could very easily defend that. And with a significant reach advantage, Haney could easily keep Prograis at bay with a jab or two.

Despite Prograis' less than sterling boxing resume though, I'd still want him to win.

But if you look at Haney's record, his last KO win was 2019 against Antonio Moran. So after that all of his wins are in decision, or in the hands of the judges. So it's hard to see how he can knockout a champion in Regis Prograis. He took the best of this division in Josh Taylor to a SD loss.

And it's obvious that Regis has more power and Haney chin is not that good in my opinion. He even buckled his legs when Loma hit him in their last fight.

However, we will have to see whether this fight is going to happen or not since there is some issues with the money split here.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 19, 2023, 12:22:22 AM

We have witnessed Tank vs. King Ry, Inoue vs. Fulton and Crawford vs. Spence. I am shaking my head why this young Devin Haney does not fight Shakur Stevenson and risk is undisputed lightweight championship against the best. These young boxers are sometimes only good in trashtalk, however, the opponents in their records are not big names.

Perhaps that's the reason why the Haney's sign with PBC, as he doesn't want to rematch Loma or fight Top Ranks Shakur Stevenson. But maybe they realized that they eat more than they can chew in choosing a reigning 140 lbs titlist in Regis Prograis. Much better, and has more power than any fighter that they have fought and so they want to take control of the negotiations in any way they can.

@Darker45 - if I'm not mistaken, the date is supposedly Oct 28 for them to clash.

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This match was already floated much earlier. The date was supposed to be August 1, 2023, but there were disagreements. This might still push through on a later date nonetheless.

Anyway, I voted for Haney's victory by way of decision. He should win this. As a matter of fact, he should even knock out Prograis. Prograis is 10 years Haney's senior. Haney is at the peak of his career right now. Despite Prograis' high knockout ratio, Haney's fighting style and athleticism could very easily defend that. And with a significant reach advantage, Haney could easily keep Prograis at bay with a jab or two.

Despite Prograis' less than sterling boxing resume though, I'd still want him to win.

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We have witnessed Tank vs. King Ry, Inoue vs. Fulton and Crawford vs. Spence. I am shaking my head why this young Devin Haney does not fight Shakur Stevenson and risk is undisputed lightweight championship against the best. These young boxers are sometimes only good in trashtalk, however, the opponents in their records are not big names.

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Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

I don't understand what kind of disrespectful act the camp of Haney is engaging in. They are the challengers, yet they want to dictate the terms of the purse split. We know that Haney is more popular, but they should respect that Regis Prograis is the champion. As a basic rule, the champion should receive more benefits in terms of the purse split. A 50-50 split might be the lowest acceptable, but if Haney were to request a 60-40 split in his favor, I think that would already be unjustifiable.

Yes, I agree, for sure it has something to do with the split that they are offering Regis, the current champion at a lower cut in the money here. And it's good that he engage the public here. Although not sure if the Haney has replied to it. But if you look at it, this are all businessman who wants to take advantage of their opponents to gain more money as far as split goes.

For me it's ok to call this 50-50, Haney is not a crowd drawer in his own rights. In his last fights, he need to have a good opponent to have a good PPV tickets and live gates. So it's just fair for Regis to complain if he is going the smaller cut here.

He is the current champion, so he needs to maintain his position. Besides, if this fight does not happen, he will remain the champion and can still fight other boxers who challenge him. Who knows, he might get a shot at a unification fight, which I think is bigger than fighting Haney. Haney is the one who needs this fight; he is also trying to build his legacy, so he needs to become a champion. If he is too greedy, he will not get what he wants.

Right, it shouldn't be even an issue to begin with because Regis is not the one who is chasing for a fight, Haney is, and because he is already the champion and he have a lot more options to choose rather than wasting his time on negotiations with Haney who surely got his head way back down. If that's what Haney wanted, then so be it, it will be his loss and not Regis's.

Don't know what's with Haney these days, he surely know that his days in the lightweight division are numbered but he thinks that he is still special and will always get the A-side even if he doesn't have anything to offer. What happened recently against Loma was just a lucky one and certainly will not be that lucky again in his next fights.

Yeah, they wanted respect and they have been talking about it, but if they are going to lowball in every negotiations like this one, you wouldn't respect the Haney's. Like what Regis said, and so he exposed them are greedy as everyone sees it.

Perhaps it's getting into their head that they are a unified champion at 135 lbs and so they wanted to be treated differently when they go up at 140 lbs. But it's not the case, you have to earn it as what we said. But if they keeps on thinking that they are the A-side at welterweight, they are very wrong.

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Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

I don't understand what kind of disrespectful act the camp of Haney is engaging in. They are the challengers, yet they want to dictate the terms of the purse split. We know that Haney is more popular, but they should respect that Regis Prograis is the champion. As a basic rule, the champion should receive more benefits in terms of the purse split. A 50-50 split might be the lowest acceptable, but if Haney were to request a 60-40 split in his favor, I think that would already be unjustifiable.

Yes, I agree, for sure it has something to do with the split that they are offering Regis, the current champion at a lower cut in the money here. And it's good that he engage the public here. Although not sure if the Haney has replied to it. But if you look at it, this are all businessman who wants to take advantage of their opponents to gain more money as far as split goes.

For me it's ok to call this 50-50, Haney is not a crowd drawer in his own rights. In his last fights, he need to have a good opponent to have a good PPV tickets and live gates. So it's just fair for Regis to complain if he is going the smaller cut here.

He is the current champion, so he needs to maintain his position. Besides, if this fight does not happen, he will remain the champion and can still fight other boxers who challenge him. Who knows, he might get a shot at a unification fight, which I think is bigger than fighting Haney. Haney is the one who needs this fight; he is also trying to build his legacy, so he needs to become a champion. If he is too greedy, he will not get what he wants.

Right, it shouldn't be even an issue to begin with because Regis is not the one who is chasing for a fight, Haney is, and because he is already the champion and he have a lot more options to choose rather than wasting his time on negotiations with Haney who surely got his head way back down. If that's what Haney wanted, then so be it, it will be his loss and not Regis's.

Don't know what's with Haney these days, he surely know that his days in the lightweight division are numbered but he thinks that he is still special and will always get the A-side even if he doesn't have anything to offer. What happened recently against Loma was just a lucky one and certainly will not be that lucky again in his next fights.

Devin Haney already made his move and I don't know if that was wise or not but it's too obvious that he doesn't want Regis to prepare fully for their upcoming fight because he's afraid on what could happen. Moreover, Regis is the champion here and he have the full control of what could happen in the discussion, he shouldn't allow this to happen because he's been already underestimated.

First Haney wanted to be in the A-side when he's the one challenging Regis for the belt, for short, just a visitor who wanted to take his chance. And then now, he wanted to have a much earlier fight compared to what has been talked about.

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Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

I don't understand what kind of disrespectful act the camp of Haney is engaging in. They are the challengers, yet they want to dictate the terms of the purse split. We know that Haney is more popular, but they should respect that Regis Prograis is the champion. As a basic rule, the champion should receive more benefits in terms of the purse split. A 50-50 split might be the lowest acceptable, but if Haney were to request a 60-40 split in his favor, I think that would already be unjustifiable.

Yes, I agree, for sure it has something to do with the split that they are offering Regis, the current champion at a lower cut in the money here. And it's good that he engage the public here. Although not sure if the Haney has replied to it. But if you look at it, this are all businessman who wants to take advantage of their opponents to gain more money as far as split goes.

For me it's ok to call this 50-50, Haney is not a crowd drawer in his own rights. In his last fights, he need to have a good opponent to have a good PPV tickets and live gates. So it's just fair for Regis to complain if he is going the smaller cut here.

He is the current champion, so he needs to maintain his position. Besides, if this fight does not happen, he will remain the champion and can still fight other boxers who challenge him. Who knows, he might get a shot at a unification fight, which I think is bigger than fighting Haney. Haney is the one who needs this fight; he is also trying to build his legacy, so he needs to become a champion. If he is too greedy, he will not get what he wants.

Right, it shouldn't be even an issue to begin with because Regis is not the one who is chasing for a fight, Haney is, and because he is already the champion and he have a lot more options to choose rather than wasting his time on negotiations with Haney who surely got his head way back down. If that's what Haney wanted, then so be it, it will be his loss and not Regis's.

Don't know what's with Haney these days, he surely know that his days in the lightweight division are numbered but he thinks that he is still special and will always get the A-side even if he doesn't have anything to offer. What happened recently against Loma was just a lucky one and certainly will not be that lucky again in his next fights.

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Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

I don't understand what kind of disrespectful act the camp of Haney is engaging in. They are the challengers, yet they want to dictate the terms of the purse split. We know that Haney is more popular, but they should respect that Regis Prograis is the champion. As a basic rule, the champion should receive more benefits in terms of the purse split. A 50-50 split might be the lowest acceptable, but if Haney were to request a 60-40 split in his favor, I think that would already be unjustifiable.

Yes, I agree, for sure it has something to do with the split that they are offering Regis, the current champion at a lower cut in the money here. And it's good that he engage the public here. Although not sure if the Haney has replied to it. But if you look at it, this are all businessman who wants to take advantage of their opponents to gain more money as far as split goes.

For me it's ok to call this 50-50, Haney is not a crowd drawer in his own rights. In his last fights, he need to have a good opponent to have a good PPV tickets and live gates. So it's just fair for Regis to complain if he is going the smaller cut here.

He is the current champion, so he needs to maintain his position. Besides, if this fight does not happen, he will remain the champion and can still fight other boxers who challenge him. Who knows, he might get a shot at a unification fight, which I think is bigger than fighting Haney. Haney is the one who needs this fight; he is also trying to build his legacy, so he needs to become a champion. If he is too greedy, he will not get what he wants.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 17, 2023, 05:03:52 AM

Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

I don't understand what kind of disrespectful act the camp of Haney is engaging in. They are the challengers, yet they want to dictate the terms of the purse split. We know that Haney is more popular, but they should respect that Regis Prograis is the champion. As a basic rule, the champion should receive more benefits in terms of the purse split. A 50-50 split might be the lowest acceptable, but if Haney were to request a 60-40 split in his favor, I think that would already be unjustifiable.

Yes, I agree, for sure it has something to do with the split that they are offering Regis, the current champion at a lower cut in the money here. And it's good that he engage the public here. Although not sure if the Haney has replied to it. But if you look at it, this are all businessman who wants to take advantage of their opponents to gain more money as far as split goes.

For me it's ok to call this 50-50, Haney is not a crowd drawer in his own rights. In his last fights, he need to have a good opponent to have a good PPV tickets and live gates. So it's just fair for Regis to complain if he is going the smaller cut here.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 17, 2023, 05:03:52 AM

Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

I don't understand what kind of disrespectful act the camp of Haney is engaging in. They are the challengers, yet they want to dictate the terms of the purse split. We know that Haney is more popular, but they should respect that Regis Prograis is the champion. As a basic rule, the champion should receive more benefits in terms of the purse split. A 50-50 split might be the lowest acceptable, but if Haney were to request a 60-40 split in his favor, I think that would already be unjustifiable.

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Yes, I like that Haney too will be the favorite and see if he can hold that odds or maybe there will be swing odds for Prograis as there could be smart money that is going to Regis because they know the weakness of Devin and as we have said, this is a very different weight class for him and he might not be able to stand against big punchers on welterweight.

Or if he can get away from the power punches early, maybe in the later rounds when he is tired and reflex down, Prograis can find that hole and deliver that one punch that can change the complexion of the fight in his favor.

Haney is moving up, challenging himself to test his limits. However, Regis Prograis is a boxer who lost to Josh Taylor and had a disappointing performance against Teofimo Lopez. So, considering that Haney is a more tactical fighter and probably quicker, I already have a good idea of where to lean in this match. The odds for Regis Prograis might be enticing, but as long as the odds for Haney are reasonable, I won't be tempted to bet on Regis Prograis.

He push Josh Taylor to the limit though and it was a close fight. But as for the Lopez fight, it's a different Taylor, prior to that so almost lost to Jake Catterall leading up to the speculation that he has a hard time making 140 lbs, no excuses though, Lopez beat him fair and square. But we can't compare Prograis performance against Taylor. As I have said, he put Taylor and maybe that's one reason why suddenly it was a different version of Taylor that we have seen after unifying the belts at 140 lbs.

And most likely, why those who love the underdogs like the chance of Regis Prograis against Haney who is moving up in weight. Although the fight is not yet final as we have seen Regis throwing tantrums that the Haney's is changing the terms specially the purse split.

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