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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

It's fine mate because what you were saying is really possible to happen in this fight, you know when a boxer has got some kind of mental problems especially if it was just happened recently then his opponent will really use that as their advantage, and for Tagoe here, it is highly possible that he will use Garcia's weakness to get in his head and upset him in-order to get a victory.

Although for me the chance are very slim for an upset, by still we really don't know if Garcia is fully healthy at this point. So this fight is very  important to him because it will give a positive impact and could trigger another run for Ryan.

In interview he has talk about a possible Loma fight (this will be good), and he still wants to fight Teo Lopez at 140 lbs. But if he is upset in this fight then it might take sometime for him to recover again. So its going to be 50/50.

Chances are still chances, and if Garcia's mental problems still remains up until the day of the fight that chances of upset will be high, as I said Tagoe will surely use that as his advantage to bait the young Garcia.

The kid must solve his mental problems first and that is his priority for now if he wants his career to prosper in the long run because if he won't take this seriously, then that mental problems will really hunt him especially if he lost to Tagoe.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

It's fine mate because what you were saying is really possible to happen in this fight, you know when a boxer has got some kind of mental problems especially if it was just happened recently then his opponent will really use that as their advantage, and for Tagoe here, it is highly possible that he will use Garcia's weakness to get in his head and upset him in-order to get a victory.

Although for me the chance are very slim for an upset, by still we really don't know if Garcia is fully healthy at this point. So this fight is very  important to him because it will give a positive impact and could trigger another run for Ryan.

In interview he has talk about a possible Loma fight (this will be good), and he still wants to fight Teo Lopez at 140 lbs. But if he is upset in this fight then it might take sometime for him to recover again. So its going to be 50/50.

as we have seen in the past boxing matches, upset is very possible to happen even if the favourite is somehow seen as the dominating one inside the ring. we can't really tell their actual capability outside the ring. so in this upcoming fight, garcia should give his best even if we say tagoe is not familiar to many. it will test his caliber as a boxer if he can easily emerge as a winner on this fight and chase much bigger names in boxing.

I agree. Even though these heavy favorites has the control inside the ring and it already looks that they will win, there's still a chance that these underdogs will upset them and it doesn't really matter if the chances are slim as it is still a chance and the fight isn't yet concluded until until the announcer do so.

Tagoe might be an unknown boxer for most of us but based on his experience, I really think that this man could really test Garcia's strengths and capabilities.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

Mental problem?  Garcia has always seemed very sharp to me.  Maybe I missed something in the news but I don't see his mental state keeping him down in any fights.  He's one of the quickest punchers out right now.  A little too small to get me interested in his fights, but as far as being a technical fighter goes, he's right up there with Floyd (although lacking quite a bit in other areas from Floyd).  I expect Garcia to win this fight and move on to the next one.  He seems like he's a guy who has a rising career and is just stacking wins at this point on his way to something greater.

For sure you may have missed the news:

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Ryan Garcia, one of boxing’s emerging superstars, withdrew on Saturday from his 12-round lightweight bout with Javier Fortuna, citing a need “to manage my health and well being.”

Fortuna promoter Sampson Lewkowicz said that Golden Boy president Eric Gomez told him Garcia was having mental health issues and that is why he withdrew from the bout.

“Eric called me this morning and said (Garcia) has mental health issues and that he decided not to fight,” Lewkowicz said. “I have a signed contract but what do I do with a signed contract? The only thing I need is a solution. Maybe he changed his mind about fighting Fortuna. Whatever it is I wish him a speedy recovery.”

https://www.ringtv.com/620707-ryan-garcia-battling-mental-health-issues-withdraws-from-javier-fortuna-bout/

This was last year's news, so now this is his comeback fight that's why the argument is that he could be affected somewhat in this fight, or if he is over with his issues. And that's why they chooses Tagoe, sort of an easy fight for Ryan to bring back his faith in himself.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

Mental problem?  Garcia has always seemed very sharp to me.  Maybe I missed something in the news but I don't see his mental state keeping him down in any fights.  He's one of the quickest punchers out right now.  A little too small to get me interested in his fights, but as far as being a technical fighter goes, he's right up there with Floyd (although lacking quite a bit in other areas from Floyd).  I expect Garcia to win this fight and move on to the next one.  He seems like he's a guy who has a rising career and is just stacking wins at this point on his way to something greater.
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His promoters will see this as a money fight for Tagoe, but he will come prepared for this fight, Tagoe very well know that he was picked because they think it's an easy fight and attractive for bettors and those who idolize Garcia but Tagoe will not only want money because he knows that if he can upset Garcia he will become an instant celebrity and that means more money to come in, it's not only a fight to make money for him but an opportunity to make more money and become an instant celebrity, let's see if Garcia is now prepared to be back again or Tagoe will blow out everything.

It's a very big challenge for him because he could be hurt badly in this fight.

Yeah, that is the catch in this fight, he might be the next victim of Garcia if he thinks that he can take his punch.

I just like Tagoe though because he was never afraid to fight a KO artist, probably his camp seem some weakness of Ryan Garcia from his last fight and hopefully they'll be able to exploit that so this fight would be exciting to watch. However, Ryan Garcia will still win this fight, that's my prediction.

It's a opportunity so he just grab it. There could be some motivation from behind, and the obvious one is money. Well Garcia was knock down in his last fight, but was able to get up and knock out his opponent, so I don't think that is weaknesses, on the contrary, he should his resiliency and his ability to recover fast even after he has knock down surprisingly by Campbell. Doest Tagoe possesses the same or even more power than Campbell? I doubt it.
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His promoters will see this as a money fight for Tagoe, but he will come prepared for this fight, Tagoe very well know that he was picked because they think it's an easy fight and attractive for bettors and those who idolize Garcia but Tagoe will not only want money because he knows that if he can upset Garcia he will become an instant celebrity and that means more money to come in, it's not only a fight to make money for him but an opportunity to make more money and become an instant celebrity, let's see if Garcia is now prepared to be back again or Tagoe will blow out everything.

It's a very big challenge for him because he could be hurt badly in this fight.

I just like Tagoe though because he was never afraid to fight a KO artist, probably his camp seem some weakness of Ryan Garcia from his last fight and hopefully they'll be able to exploit that so this fight would be exciting to watch. However, Ryan Garcia will still win this fight, that's my prediction.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

Upset always happened but even I force myself to think that Tagoe can beat Garcia, I'm really having a hard time imagining it. I'm a fan of betting on the underdog but I can't apply it to this fight where I should put my bet on Tagoe and expect an upset.

Sorry but I don't see Tagoe winning the fight regardless of how it will end up.

Garcia is too much for Tagoe. I don't even know how they end up clashing each other. It's a one-sided match.

Probably just another get busy fight for Garcia, because we have to admit, as much as how they are going to promote this fight, it's not close and as you have said, a mismatch.

But someone needs to fight Ryan in his comeback fight and he has to look good. He can't go and fight the regular champion because this is his first fight coming off from the mental issues he suffer. And maybe Golden Boy thinks that Tagoe is a perfect fit for him, as it will show his talent, speed and power in a comeback fight. Good money for Tagoe and then good "fight" for Ryan, win-win situation.

His promoters will see this as a money fight for Tagoe, but he will come prepared for this fight, Tagoe very well know that he was picked because they think it's an easy fight and attractive for bettors and those who idolize Garcia but Tagoe will not only want money because he knows that if he can upset Garcia he will become an instant celebrity and that means more money to come in, it's not only a fight to make money for him but an opportunity to make more money and become an instant celebrity, let's see if Garcia is now prepared to be back again or Tagoe will blow out everything.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

Upset always happened but even I force myself to think that Tagoe can beat Garcia, I'm really having a hard time imagining it. I'm a fan of betting on the underdog but I can't apply it to this fight where I should put my bet on Tagoe and expect an upset.

Sorry but I don't see Tagoe winning the fight regardless of how it will end up.

Garcia is too much for Tagoe. I don't even know how they end up clashing each other. It's a one-sided match.

Probably just another get busy fight for Garcia, because we have to admit, as much as how they are going to promote this fight, it's not close and as you have said, a mismatch.

But someone needs to fight Ryan in his comeback fight and he has to look good. He can't go and fight the regular champion because this is his first fight coming off from the mental issues he suffer. And maybe Golden Boy thinks that Tagoe is a perfect fit for him, as it will show his talent, speed and power in a comeback fight. Good money for Tagoe and then good "fight" for Ryan, win-win situation.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

Upset always happened but even I force myself to think that Tagoe can beat Garcia, I'm really having a hard time imagining it. I'm a fan of betting on the underdog but I can't apply it to this fight where I should put my bet on Tagoe and expect an upset.

Sorry but I don't see Tagoe winning the fight regardless of how it will end up.

Garcia is too much for Tagoe. I don't even know how they end up clashing each other. It's a one-sided match.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

It's fine mate because what you were saying is really possible to happen in this fight, you know when a boxer has got some kind of mental problems especially if it was just happened recently then his opponent will really use that as their advantage, and for Tagoe here, it is highly possible that he will use Garcia's weakness to get in his head and upset him in-order to get a victory.

Although for me the chance are very slim for an upset, by still we really don't know if Garcia is fully healthy at this point. So this fight is very  important to him because it will give a positive impact and could trigger another run for Ryan.

In interview he has talk about a possible Loma fight (this will be good), and he still wants to fight Teo Lopez at 140 lbs. But if he is upset in this fight then it might take sometime for him to recover again. So its going to be 50/50.

as we have seen in the past boxing matches, upset is very possible to happen even if the favourite is somehow seen as the dominating one inside the ring. we can't really tell their actual capability outside the ring. so in this upcoming fight, garcia should give his best even if we say tagoe is not familiar to many. it will test his caliber as a boxer if he can easily emerge as a winner on this fight and chase much bigger names in boxing.
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In interview he has talk about a possible Loma fight (this will be good), and he still wants to fight Teo Lopez at 140 lbs. But if he is upset in this fight then it might take sometime for him to recover again. So its going to be 50/50.

I'd rather see Ryan Garcia fighting Teo Lopez so he could teach this guy a lesson.

Loma is just too focused for him, I'd say it's a 50/50 fight but if he will fight Teo ( if Teo agrees) and beat him, that would be 2 straight losses for Teo, and for sure Teo will not make an excuse again. However, that will only happen if Garcia will beat Tagoe first which is definitely not hard to do for him.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

It's fine mate because what you were saying is really possible to happen in this fight, you know when a boxer has got some kind of mental problems especially if it was just happened recently then his opponent will really use that as their advantage, and for Tagoe here, it is highly possible that he will use Garcia's weakness to get in his head and upset him in-order to get a victory.

Although for me the chance are very slim for an upset, by still we really don't know if Garcia is fully healthy at this point. So this fight is very  important to him because it will give a positive impact and could trigger another run for Ryan.

In interview he has talk about a possible Loma fight (this will be good), and he still wants to fight Teo Lopez at 140 lbs. But if he is upset in this fight then it might take sometime for him to recover again. So its going to be 50/50.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

Hope not. His camp should lead him to focus in this fight before anything else.

It's a big upset if ever Tagoe will beat Garcia, bookies is on his favor and if fans will bet for Garcia ML is not a good value
bet if it's not in a bulk bet, ML @ 1.04 while with Tagoe bookies give him @ 7+ odd, if upset happen all those who put some
cash to Tagoe will have a decent celebration. Too early, but let see if what might happen to this upcoming fight.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.

It's fine mate because what you were saying is really possible to happen in this fight, you know when a boxer has got some kind of mental problems especially if it was just happened recently then his opponent will really use that as their advantage, and for Tagoe here, it is highly possible that he will use Garcia's weakness to get in his head and upset him in-order to get a victory.
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I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
That's a huge upset if Tagoe would beat Garcia, and since Garcia has some kind of mental problem, a possible loss might make his problem gets bigger and could end his career. Sorry, my imagination is very negative, but I'm just thinking of a possible scenario here.
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That is the point, it's too tempting and attractive to at least throw some money on Tagoe and sit and hope for an upset although the chance is very slim. The thing is, Garcia has shifted trainer here, although he is familiar with Goosen, he has been with the Reynoso camp for years and they are very successful.

So most probably those who bet on an underdog will justify this and says that Tagoe will have a chance because Garcia might be affected by switching trainers and it could have a bad repercussions on his performance.

Nope, switching trainers/coaches might only have a little to none effect to a skilled fighter. Nevertheless, the kid is still training what he does and he's more likely not going to change anything that compromises his fighting comfortability. Again, he's still training, so no I won't gonna buy that kind of analysis.

It could that there could be no effect at all, but we have seen fighters who switch trainers then lost the fight. And we now know the reasons behind the change of coach, do you think if Canelo didn't attack him he will switch trainer? I don't think so. So most likely, Goosen might teach him new trick, but probably will go to his old style of boxing once he gets hit.

Ryan on this fight has all the advantages, and there's not even a huge gap in professional experiences even with years of age gap. So, betting on Tagoe is bearing a lot of risk in this match
 However, upset are inevitable.

I totally agree, Garcia has all the advantage but who knows, maybe Tagoe will be on his best against Ryan and maybe put everything he have in this fight.
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That is the point, it's too tempting and attractive to at least throw some money on Tagoe and sit and hope for an upset although the chance is very slim. The thing is, Garcia has shifted trainer here, although he is familiar with Goosen, he has been with the Reynoso camp for years and they are very successful.

So most probably those who bet on an underdog will justify this and says that Tagoe will have a chance because Garcia might be affected by switching trainers and it could have a bad repercussions on his performance.

Nope, switching trainers/coaches might only have a little to none effect to a skilled fighter. Nevertheless, the kid is still training what he does and he's more likely not going to change anything that compromises his fighting comfortability. Again, he's still training, so no I won't gonna buy that kind of analysis.

Ryan on this fight has all the advantages, and there's not even a huge gap in professional experiences even with years of age gap. So, betting on Tagoe is bearing a lot of risk in this match
 However, upset are inevitable.
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I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.
Some people don't have guts to accept criticism - they are too sensitive what other people think and say about them .. To be honest if you want to be a real fighter ( Mentally and physically ) you have to stop giving importance to people's option. To me criticism is  healthy - one should listen to the criticism  - if it concerns you, take it otherwise leave it there and move on..

Right, there are those certain people who are like that and sensitive enough when they are criticized publicly and for Garcia's case, that's his weakness and he should work on that one well because someday one of his opponents will use that weakness to get in his head and that could result in defeat.

He should learn to how to accept it until he get used to it and only pick some few criticisms that could help mold his character.

Ryan Garcia with all his mental demons, is very sensitive at every criticism he will hear and get. Specially from someone who he treats as friend, Canelo goes to the public and reveal something that Garcia didn't like so obviously he moves out of that gym because now he doesn't feel being accepted. But then again, Garcia is still very young that's why he still has this kind of attitude, his mental attitude shows that he has a lot of things to learn from this sports and business.

He really felt backstabbed when Canelo have said and revealed something in public, Garcia may have been hurt badly because who knows he might looked up on Canelo as one of his closest friend that is supposed to help him along his career especially advice him in the years to come but I understand Canelo because I think he just did that to make him open his eyes more in this industry.

Ryan Garcia is still a kid who only knows how to defeat his opponents as soon as possible but for the business side and critics, he doesn't know that yet that's why he is still sensitive to some of it and especially when it comes from Canelo whom he admired so much.

Don't worry folks, the kid has still a long way to go in the business and sport industry, someday he will learn it.
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I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.
Some people don't have guts to accept criticism - they are too sensitive what other people think and say about them .. To be honest if you want to be a real fighter ( Mentally and physically ) you have to stop giving importance to people's option. To me criticism is  healthy - one should listen to the criticism  - if it concerns you, take it otherwise leave it there and move on..

Right, there are those certain people who are like that and sensitive enough when they are criticized publicly and for Garcia's case, that's his weakness and he should work on that one well because someday one of his opponents will use that weakness to get in his head and that could result in defeat.

He should learn to how to accept it until he get used to it and only pick some few criticisms that could help mold his character.

Ryan Garcia with all his mental demons, is very sensitive at every criticism he will hear and get. Specially from someone who he treats as friend, Canelo goes to the public and reveal something that Garcia didn't like so obviously he moves out of that gym because now he doesn't feel being accepted. But then again, Garcia is still very young that's why he still has this kind of attitude, his mental attitude shows that he has a lot of things to learn from this sports and business.

He really felt backstabbed when Canelo have said and revealed something in public, Garcia may have been hurt badly because who knows he might looked up on Canelo as one of his closest friend that is supposed to help him along his career especially advice him in the years to come but I understand Canelo because I think he just did that to make him open his eyes more in this industry.
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I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.
Some people don't have guts to accept criticism - they are too sensitive what other people think and say about them .. To be honest if you want to be a real fighter ( Mentally and physically ) you have to stop giving importance to people's option. To me criticism is  healthy - one should listen to the criticism  - if it concerns you, take it otherwise leave it there and move on..

Right, there are those certain people who are like that and sensitive enough when they are criticized publicly and for Garcia's case, that's his weakness and he should work on that one well because someday one of his opponents will use that weakness to get in his head and that could result in defeat.

He should learn to how to accept it until he get used to it and only pick some few criticisms that could help mold his character.

Ryan Garcia with all his mental demons, is very sensitive at every criticism he will hear and get. Specially from someone who he treats as friend, Canelo goes to the public and reveal something that Garcia didn't like so obviously he moves out of that gym because now he doesn't feel being accepted. But then again, Garcia is still very young that's why he still has this kind of attitude, his mental attitude shows that he has a lot of things to learn from this sports and business.
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