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Topic: [BOXING]: RYAN GARCIA vs EMMANUEL TAGOE - April 9 - page 12. (Read 2177 times)

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I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.
Some people don't have guts to accept criticism - they are too sensitive what other people think and say about them .. To be honest if you want to be a real fighter ( Mentally and physically ) you have to stop giving importance to people's option. To me criticism is  healthy - one should listen to the criticism  - if it concerns you, take it otherwise leave it there and move on..

Right, there are those certain people who are like that and sensitive enough when they are criticized publicly and for Garcia's case, that's his weakness and he should work on that one well because someday one of his opponents will use that weakness to get in his head and that could result in defeat.

He should learn to how to accept it until he get used to it and only pick some few criticisms that could help mold his character.
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If you think like this there's a lot of money to be made because the majority seems to think that Tagoe has slim chance of winning. I don't know him and his style so I can't say much but I'm sure people who know much more than me are taking these bets.

Nothing wrong to place a bet on the underdog as upset always happened but can't really find a good reason why an upset will happen here. Not saying Tagoe doesn't have a chance to win or as you said, a slim chance of winning but technically, Ryan Garcia is just too much for Tagoe.

But let's see if there's something special that might others a reason why a bet on Tagoe is worth placing for.

In the end, he won't be considered to fight Garcia if there's a question about his capability to win.

Tagoe's chance on defeating Garcia here is somehow slim, we know that upsetting the heavy favorite happened is always possible as it already happen often times in the boxing but just like you, I also don't see that it will going to happen in this fight. Tagoe is good and a decent boxer too, we can see it in his history and I think that's the exact reason why Garcia's camp have picked him.

Tagoe will be a ladder in Garcia's success and the risk is of a defeat is quite minimal. But for the other bettors that is somehow expecting an upset in this fight then try throwing some couple of dollars for Tagoe, the odds is too tempting too.

That is the point, it's too tempting and attractive to at least throw some money on Tagoe and sit and hope for an upset although the chance is very slim. The thing is, Garcia has shifted trainer here, although he is familiar with Goosen, he has been with the Reynoso camp for years and they are very successful.

So most probably those who bet on an underdog will justify this and says that Tagoe will have a chance because Garcia might be affected by switching trainers and it could have a bad repercussions on his performance.

Cause why not, right? The odds are so juicy to resist, so in-order to make yourself doubt free then throwing some few bucks will do the trick and maybe you will get it right. I myself might also do that too Grin

Garcia's reasons for switching his trainer are too childish even if he will deny it verbally, Canelo was just telling that to somehow help him but the problem is, the kid took it personally.
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Garcia said the pivotal incident was when he walked into Alvarez’s gym last year and found himself unable to continue with his workout after 20 minutes. He recalls breaking down in tears and having to leave. Alvarez was there, a witness to the whole event,

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-canelo-questioning-his-discipline-you-just-shtting-on-me-what-point--164910

And the way I understand it, Garcia felt betrayed by Alvarez comments about his work ethics and others and this is the main reason for me why he leave the Reynoso camp.

Garcia is very sensitive he just want Ryan to improve that's a problem when everything that's been said about you, you will take it seriously you should be open to criticism, champions can take criticism and go above it, the biggest question has been, is Ryan Garcia ready for the big things, can he take the challenge we can only conclude if he has fought a top caliber fighter and won a title, but right now he is a fighter in struggle for a place in boxing.

I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.

For me this statement from Garcia just proved what I have been suspecting after his moved to Goosen, something happen behind close door, then Canelo opening up to the public about Ryan. And I also believed that there is some politics behind it as well, (him being a Golden Boy, and it was an ugly break up between Canelo and Oscar).

Anyhow, the ball is on Ryan Garcia now, he should showed that he is back on track with his boxing career because he still has a bright future ahead of him. Forget about the drama and focus on the fight.
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I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.
Some people don't have guts to accept criticism - they are too sensitive what other people think and say about them .. To be honest if you want to be a real fighter ( Mentally and physically ) you have to stop giving importance to people's option. To me criticism is  healthy - one should listen to the criticism  - if it concerns you, take it otherwise leave it there and move on..
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Garcia said the pivotal incident was when he walked into Alvarez’s gym last year and found himself unable to continue with his workout after 20 minutes. He recalls breaking down in tears and having to leave. Alvarez was there, a witness to the whole event,

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-canelo-questioning-his-discipline-you-just-shtting-on-me-what-point--164910

And the way I understand it, Garcia felt betrayed by Alvarez comments about his work ethics and others and this is the main reason for me why he leave the Reynoso camp.

Garcia is very sensitive he just want Ryan to improve that's a problem when everything that's been said about you, you will take it seriously you should be open to criticism, champions can take criticism and go above it, the biggest question has been, is Ryan Garcia ready for the big things, can he take the challenge we can only conclude if he has fought a top caliber fighter and won a title, but right now he is a fighter in struggle for a place in boxing.

I think that's the most cases for those kid who were born rich, they're mostly sensitive because they've been spoiled since they born and maybe Ryan is one of them, that's why he's reacting like he was betrayed by Canelo and maybe that's the also reason why he revolt and find another one to train him.

Yes, he should definitely learn to be open to some criticisms and be used about the noise surrounding him because that's quite normal while you're moving up in the boxing industry.
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Garcia said the pivotal incident was when he walked into Alvarez’s gym last year and found himself unable to continue with his workout after 20 minutes. He recalls breaking down in tears and having to leave. Alvarez was there, a witness to the whole event,

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-canelo-questioning-his-discipline-you-just-shtting-on-me-what-point--164910

And the way I understand it, Garcia felt betrayed by Alvarez comments about his work ethics and others and this is the main reason for me why he leave the Reynoso camp.

Garcia is very sensitive he just want Ryan to improve that's a problem when everything that's been said about you, you will take it seriously you should be open to criticism, champions can take criticism and go above it, the biggest question has been, is Ryan Garcia ready for the big things, can he take the challenge we can only conclude if he has fought a top caliber fighter and won a title, but right now he is a fighter in struggle for a place in boxing.
Maybe Canelo is just critical of Ryan, because Canelo knows what it takes to be a champion and Ryan shouldn't waste that time on his young. Of course he is still very young, but then again, it's very good to start early and be great in the next 5-10 years.

I think their friendship is now severed with this statement coming from Ryan. Even portraying Canelo as somewhat not reciprocating Ryan's support on him.
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Garcia said the pivotal incident was when he walked into Alvarez’s gym last year and found himself unable to continue with his workout after 20 minutes. He recalls breaking down in tears and having to leave. Alvarez was there, a witness to the whole event,

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-canelo-questioning-his-discipline-you-just-shtting-on-me-what-point--164910

And the way I understand it, Garcia felt betrayed by Alvarez comments about his work ethics and others and this is the main reason for me why he leave the Reynoso camp.

Garcia is very sensitive he just want Ryan to improve that's a problem when everything that's been said about you, you will take it seriously you should be open to criticism, champions can take criticism and go above it, the biggest question has been, is Ryan Garcia ready for the big things, can he take the challenge we can only conclude if he has fought a top caliber fighter and won a title, but right now he is a fighter in struggle for a place in boxing.
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just look at the odds, and you will understand if some people won't bet on garcia because it is only 1.0x only, whereas, with tagoe, it can go as high as 7x. so if you are betting small and you want to take the risk, you will really bet on tagoe even if we say, you are not a follower of tagoe. just taking your chance the possibility that the underdog will win here and go home big.
Right, in some sportsbook Garcia's odds only 1.05 while Tagoe is 8.40, it's really huge gap between them. You need to have a lot money like Drake if you want to pick Garcia, it's not worth if you only bet few bucks. I will like to throw few dollars to Tagoe, perhaps April 9 is my day Tongue Hope the fight doesn't a fixed match or have something agreement on behind the ring.

If there is some agreement behind, it will be Tagoe diving in this match,  Grin

And yeah, us mere mortals can't beat millions of dollars for that kind of odd, we better look for other options to bet our money with.

At last, Ryan speak of what transpired in the gym, his break down and then the comments that Canelo gave about it.

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Garcia said the pivotal incident was when he walked into Alvarez’s gym last year and found himself unable to continue with his workout after 20 minutes. He recalls breaking down in tears and having to leave. Alvarez was there, a witness to the whole event,

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-on-canelo-questioning-his-discipline-you-just-shtting-on-me-what-point--164910

And the way I understand it, Garcia felt betrayed by Alvarez comments about his work ethics and others and this is the main reason for me why he leave the Reynoso camp.
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just look at the odds, and you will understand if some people won't bet on garcia because it is only 1.0x only, whereas, with tagoe, it can go as high as 7x. so if you are betting small and you want to take the risk, you will really bet on tagoe even if we say, you are not a follower of tagoe. just taking your chance the possibility that the underdog will win here and go home big.
Right, in some sportsbook Garcia's odds only 1.05 while Tagoe is 8.40, it's really huge gap between them. You need to have a lot money like Drake if you want to pick Garcia, it's not worth if you only bet few bucks. I will like to throw few dollars to Tagoe, perhaps April 9 is my day Tongue Hope the fight doesn't a fixed match or have something agreement on behind the ring.
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just look at the odds, and you will understand if some people won't bet on garcia because it is only 1.0x only, whereas, with tagoe, it can go as high as 7x. so if you are betting small and you want to take the risk, you will really bet on tagoe even if we say, you are not a follower of tagoe. just taking your chance the possibility that the underdog will win here and go home big.

It's very tempting to bet for Tagoe but if I'm going to bet on Tagoe it should be money that I can easily afford to lose I used the word easily because I'm not even expecting 50/50 chance, this is Ryan's biggest fight because it's a comeback fight you never blow up your comeback fight, you want to make it great and unquestionable because if Ryan loses it's over for him, they are not bringing a weak fighter because the fighter has a good record although unknown.

You are already saying that this fight is very vital for Ryan Garcia and that this is not even a 50/50 fight. I agree with you on this. The team of Ryan Garcia is picking an opponent that would make sure Ryan Garcia's comeback fight is not spoiled. That is why I don't agree with you that the team is not bringing a weak fighter against Ryan. Tagoe is a weak fighter compared to Ryan Garcia. The only thing that makes it a little bit even is that Ryan Garcia has been inactive and had undergone a mental break and a surgery.
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just look at the odds, and you will understand if some people won't bet on garcia because it is only 1.0x only, whereas, with tagoe, it can go as high as 7x. so if you are betting small and you want to take the risk, you will really bet on tagoe even if we say, you are not a follower of tagoe. just taking your chance the possibility that the underdog will win here and go home big.

It's very tempting to bet for Tagoe but if I'm going to bet on Tagoe it should be money that I can easily afford to lose I used the word easily because I'm not even expecting 50/50 chance, this is Ryan's biggest fight because it's a comeback fight you never blow up your comeback fight, you want to make it great and unquestionable because if Ryan loses it's over for him, they are not bringing a weak fighter because the fighter has a good record although unknown.
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That is the point, it's too tempting and attractive to at least throw some money on Tagoe and sit and hope for an upset although the chance is very slim. The thing is, Garcia has shifted trainer here, although he is familiar with Goosen, he has been with the Reynoso camp for years and they are very successful.

So most probably those who bet on an underdog will justify this and says that Tagoe will have a chance because Garcia might be affected by switching trainers and it could have a bad repercussions on his performance.
There's something that bettors saw that's why they are willing to take that high-risk bet.

Though we all know that upset is always possible and if you take the underdog, the odd is more decent, maybe some have
a good reason why they are taking the underdog.

Or, they are real fans of Tagoe and they believe that he has that fighting chance to win over Garcia. We never know till
we see them fighting inside the ring.

just look at the odds, and you will understand if some people won't bet on garcia because it is only 1.0x only, whereas, with tagoe, it can go as high as 7x. so if you are betting small and you want to take the risk, you will really bet on tagoe even if we say, you are not a follower of tagoe. just taking your chance the possibility that the underdog will win here and go home big.
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That is the point, it's too tempting and attractive to at least throw some money on Tagoe and sit and hope for an upset although the chance is very slim. The thing is, Garcia has shifted trainer here, although he is familiar with Goosen, he has been with the Reynoso camp for years and they are very successful.

So most probably those who bet on an underdog will justify this and says that Tagoe will have a chance because Garcia might be affected by switching trainers and it could have a bad repercussions on his performance.
There's something that bettors saw that's why they are willing to take that high-risk bet.

Though we all know that upset is always possible and if you take the underdog, the odd is more decent, maybe some have
a good reason why they are taking the underdog.

Or, they are real fans of Tagoe and they believe that he has that fighting chance to win over Garcia. We never know till
we see them fighting inside the ring.
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If you think like this there's a lot of money to be made because the majority seems to think that Tagoe has slim chance of winning. I don't know him and his style so I can't say much but I'm sure people who know much more than me are taking these bets.

Nothing wrong to place a bet on the underdog as upset always happened but can't really find a good reason why an upset will happen here. Not saying Tagoe doesn't have a chance to win or as you said, a slim chance of winning but technically, Ryan Garcia is just too much for Tagoe.

But let's see if there's something special that might others a reason why a bet on Tagoe is worth placing for.

In the end, he won't be considered to fight Garcia if there's a question about his capability to win.

Tagoe's chance on defeating Garcia here is somehow slim, we know that upsetting the heavy favorite happened is always possible as it already happen often times in the boxing but just like you, I also don't see that it will going to happen in this fight. Tagoe is good and a decent boxer too, we can see it in his history and I think that's the exact reason why Garcia's camp have picked him.

Tagoe will be a ladder in Garcia's success and the risk is of a defeat is quite minimal. But for the other bettors that is somehow expecting an upset in this fight then try throwing some couple of dollars for Tagoe, the odds is too tempting too.

That is the point, it's too tempting and attractive to at least throw some money on Tagoe and sit and hope for an upset although the chance is very slim. The thing is, Garcia has shifted trainer here, although he is familiar with Goosen, he has been with the Reynoso camp for years and they are very successful.

So most probably those who bet on an underdog will justify this and says that Tagoe will have a chance because Garcia might be affected by switching trainers and it could have a bad repercussions on his performance.
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If you think like this there's a lot of money to be made because the majority seems to think that Tagoe has slim chance of winning. I don't know him and his style so I can't say much but I'm sure people who know much more than me are taking these bets.

Nothing wrong to place a bet on the underdog as upset always happened but can't really find a good reason why an upset will happen here. Not saying Tagoe doesn't have a chance to win or as you said, a slim chance of winning but technically, Ryan Garcia is just too much for Tagoe.

But let's see if there's something special that might others a reason why a bet on Tagoe is worth placing for.

In the end, he won't be considered to fight Garcia if there's a question about his capability to win.

Tagoe's chance on defeating Garcia here is somehow slim, we know that upsetting the heavy favorite happened is always possible as it already happen often times in the boxing but just like you, I also don't see that it will going to happen in this fight. Tagoe is good and a decent boxer too, we can see it in his history and I think that's the exact reason why Garcia's camp have picked him.

Tagoe will be a ladder in Garcia's success and the risk is of a defeat is quite minimal. But for the other bettors that is somehow expecting an upset in this fight then try throwing some couple of dollars for Tagoe, the odds is too tempting too.
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Those are great fighters but again with this match, i guess it been a tough decision making for gamblers who support on this but for me I go for Ryan Garcia we know he so fast to take any action and counter and also he has good footwork for having a speed reaction and make a good blow to the enemy but again we cannot underestimate Emmanuel Tagoe because he got the IBO lightweight that boxer really dream to fight each other so we cant wait for this fight.
By just simply looking at the numbers, Garcia is on the top here considering that he is still undefeated but of course, he should not be complacent because Tagoe is also a great boxer that he should take seriously. Yes, its not easy to place your bet but you have to make a good decision now because the math is fast approaching and you might not be able to get a good odds if you are late on placing your bet. They are both fighting for their dreams but for this match, I'll go for Garcia this time.

Same here, I've been comparing these two boxers for some time now since the OP made this thread and I didn't found any good indication that I'll put my bets on the not so known Tagoe rather than Garcia who has been undefeated for a while now since he emerged in the boxing industry. Surely numbers don't lie and based on their recent fights, I'm going for Garcia's side too.
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If you think like this there's a lot of money to be made because the majority seems to think that Tagoe has slim chance of winning. I don't know him and his style so I can't say much but I'm sure people who know much more than me are taking these bets.

Nothing wrong to place a bet on the underdog as upset always happened but can't really find a good reason why an upset will happen here. Not saying Tagoe doesn't have a chance to win or as you said, a slim chance of winning but technically, Ryan Garcia is just too much for Tagoe.

But let's see if there's something special that might others a reason why a bet on Tagoe is worth placing for.

In the end, he won't be considered to fight Garcia if there's a question about his capability to win.
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Those are great fighters but again with this match, i guess it been a tough decision making for gamblers who support on this but for me I go for Ryan Garcia we know he so fast to take any action and counter and also he has good footwork for having a speed reaction and make a good blow to the enemy but again we cannot underestimate Emmanuel Tagoe because he got the IBO lightweight that boxer really dream to fight each other so we cant wait for this fight.

It's quite too soon for me to take bets on this fight, 3 weeks left before the fight and maybe there's still a lot of going to happen prior the fight. I guess I'll wait more for some tip-off Grin

Garcia's speed, power and capabilities is really an advantage in his side to any opponent he will face in his whole career and the fact that he used to train with Canelo's team is also a huge plus to make some smart move in the ring, I just hope that he will stay healthy because man, this boy really have a bright future. Back to this fight, Tagoe here is also a decent boxer so I doubt that this will be an easy fight.

If you think like this there's a lot of money to be made because the majority seems to think that Tagoe has slim chance of winning. I don't know him and his style so I can't say much but I'm sure people who know much more than me are taking these bets. At this point it's almost 87% of bets for Garcia, which means he's either greatly outmatched or underestimated.
I feel like this is mainly because of how Garcia is being promoted and that they're matching him with boxers with good record but who are slower than him to give him an upper hand.

There's no need to be hasty, good things come to those who wait patiently. Lol I'm just joking Grin

To be honest, I'm not in a hurry to make some bets because as I said there's still some few weeks left to do that before the fight schedule and besides, I'm also used to do some bets in just days before the fight. For now, I'm with Garcia's side because this fight is all about him in the first place.
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That's what I noticed about Ryan too, he was really in a hurry at his young age, that's why he become so careless against Campbell and lose focus for a minute and then boom, he was down in the canvass. The advantage of being young is that he was able to get up from that fight and win. But it shows that he has weaknesses already, unlike those other champions in this division who haven't seen the canvass yet. So this fight is a measuring stick for him and Golden Boy to see if Ryan has the mentality to win fights maybe before they put him against the champions like Kambosos or Haney and of course Davis.

He also needs to be a technical fighter and not rush into something he is not so sure about his moves. Yes, he is young but it is not about the stamina or youth in boxing ring, it is a combination of different factors to survive long in this sports. Of course, the opponent will always look for his weakness and they will possibly work from there. So Garcia's camp should not be very confident about this upcoming fight.

Garcia's biggest weakness is anxiety and depression and this will come out when there's a big challenge ahead, Tagoe is not a big challenge to him compared to if he is going to fight the likes of Haney or Tank I like to see him one day fighting an A-class fighter from there we can see if he is really cured of his anxiety, but of course, he needs to get fast Tagoe first.

I don't know if his anxiety comes from fighting big names or it is outside of boxing that give him this mental problem. So I doubt that the former is the cause of all of his issues, maybe there is pressure from boxing or he is putting too much on himself that's why his mind can't take it anymore and he openly admitted that he had a problem. So this should be an easy fight for him to just let his anxiety out so that he will be back to normal and fighting name boxers.

The cause of depression is people's expectation, people expect him to be like Canelo in the lighter weight division but unfortunately, he's not he has a big fear of losing to great fighters and is afraid that he cannot back up what he is saying in the interview and on social media, I don't know his real health now, but he needs to be realistic now accept his flaws and take it slow and be level headed not trying to look great when you still don't have a legit title in your waist.
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That's what I noticed about Ryan too, he was really in a hurry at his young age, that's why he become so careless against Campbell and lose focus for a minute and then boom, he was down in the canvass. The advantage of being young is that he was able to get up from that fight and win. But it shows that he has weaknesses already, unlike those other champions in this division who haven't seen the canvass yet. So this fight is a measuring stick for him and Golden Boy to see if Ryan has the mentality to win fights maybe before they put him against the champions like Kambosos or Haney and of course Davis.

He also needs to be a technical fighter and not rush into something he is not so sure about his moves. Yes, he is young but it is not about the stamina or youth in boxing ring, it is a combination of different factors to survive long in this sports. Of course, the opponent will always look for his weakness and they will possibly work from there. So Garcia's camp should not be very confident about this upcoming fight.

Garcia's biggest weakness is anxiety and depression and this will come out when there's a big challenge ahead, Tagoe is not a big challenge to him compared to if he is going to fight the likes of Haney or Tank I like to see him one day fighting an A-class fighter from there we can see if he is really cured of his anxiety, but of course, he needs to get fast Tagoe first.

I don't know if his anxiety comes from fighting big names or it is outside of boxing that give him this mental problem. So I doubt that the former is the cause of all of his issues, maybe there is pressure from boxing or he is putting too much on himself that's why his mind can't take it anymore and he openly admitted that he had a problem. So this should be an easy fight for him to just let his anxiety out so that he will be back to normal and fighting name boxers.
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