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Quote from: Baofeng on January 23, 2023, 05:27:57 PM

Regarding Josh Taylor injury, the WBO requires him to submit medical certification as ordered by WBO in the next 5 days. If you will remember this is the same case for Casimero before, when he has this problem with his stomach and can't proceed and fight to defend his belt. He was ask to submit the certification and then WBO green lighted the supposedly fight again with Butler, but we all know the rest is history.

And then after that they will decide if they allow Jack Catterall to fight someone for the interim belt while waiting for the champion to recover by his injury.

Josh says that it will take 6-8 for him before he can put any pressure on his feet, so it's going to be a long wait for Jack.

Is it correct that this is the last match of Josh Taylor in this division? Instead of holding on to Catterall, why not concentrate on the next weight? After becoming undisputed in this division, Josh Taylor, in my opinion, is losing his dedication. In his most recent match with Catterall, he did poorly. When that match took place in his home country, everyone expected him to defeat Catterall easily, but he didn't. Similar to what occurred with Paul Butler, an interim match should be given to Catterall.

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Quote from: stadus on January 25, 2023, 09:28:10 AM

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Quote from: stadus on January 20, 2023, 02:13:21 PM

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Not surprising because he surely knows that he won't get anything more profitable from fighting boxers at the bottom as it will only attract a handful of audience that will result in a fewer sales generation. Whereas if he will fight directly at the champions or fight for the vacated title, he will be hitting two birds with one stone if he's really lucky as he will be getting a belt and the the purse split is somehow bigger than the first scenario mentioned.

Beides, Nonito Donaire's situation now is already different from before because he doesn't have all the time in the world anymore to fight some other guys at 118 lbs or to do some clean-up, and that is why he should be picky for his future fights and arrange all his schedules while he is still viewed as one of the threats in the bantamweight division.

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Quote from: harizen on January 20, 2023, 02:48:29 PM

Quote from: stadus on January 20, 2023, 02:13:21 PM

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Not surprising because he surely knows that he won't get anything more profitable from fighting boxers at the bottom as it will only attract a handful of audience that will result in a fewer sales generation. Whereas if he will fight directly at the champions or fight for the vacated title, he will be hitting two birds with one stone if he's really lucky as he will be getting a belt and the the purse split is somehow bigger than the first scenario mentioned.

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Quote from: Kasabus on January 23, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.

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Regarding Josh Taylor injury, the WBO requires him to submit medical certification as ordered by WBO in the next 5 days. If you will remember this is the same case for Casimero before, when he has this problem with his stomach and can't proceed and fight to defend his belt. He was ask to submit the certification and then WBO green lighted the supposedly fight again with Butler, but we all know the rest is history.

And then after that they will decide if they allow Jack Catterall to fight someone for the interim belt while waiting for the champion to recover by his injury.

Josh says that it will take 6-8 for him before he can put any pressure on his feet, so it's going to be a long wait for Jack.

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Quote from: Kasabus on January 23, 2023, 03:25:14 PM

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Quote from: harizen on January 22, 2023, 07:48:44 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Simple as that, Casimero needs to keep on winning to bring his rank up and to have that chance to challenge a top caliber contender from this division for him to get that access to negotiate and challenge the belt holder, unlike with Inoue who can shortcut his way to challenge whoever he wanted, either a belt holder or another known name from this division.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 23, 2023, 05:40:34 AM

Quote from: harizen on January 22, 2023, 07:48:44 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

Quote from: boyptc on January 22, 2023, 06:04:12 PM

There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

True, I still wanted to see Donaire dance on the ring. Even though the flash has aged, a fan will still be a fan, and wanted his supported boxer to see fighting and winning in the ring again.

We all talk about his age but that's a common thing to him and yes, we all remain to be a fan of his. We're giving him the support until he decides to retire or stop his passion.

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Quote from: boyptc on January 22, 2023, 06:04:12 PM

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Give him the chance and no doubt that he's going to dominate there just as how he dominated his past weigh division.

He knows what he's doing and that's why he has to move there, I'm not a fan of his but wishing him success there.

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Quote from: yazher on January 23, 2023, 04:47:05 AM

If only they can get to fight him against Casimero this year, it would be the best fight ever because he still needs to prove he wasn't afraid of him at all.

What's done and done and that match won't happen again. I don't think that he'll ever chase Casimero as he's done with him, and Casimero's career.
He still got a few years left to prove himself and I'm sure that the fire that he's got inside after the two losses that he's got from Inoue, it will brought on with the possible upcoming fight that he's got for the vacated title that Inoue has left.

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Quote from: harizen on January 22, 2023, 07:48:44 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 23, 2023, 12:23:18 AM

I can't imagine what this guy will do once he makes a record in super bantamweight as he did in the previous one. Will he climb higher weights again after he is done with this? That sure is something to look forward to.

We want him to fully use his remaining time to conquer every division he is in and not to arrogantly spoil his moment like most boxers did when they were at the best time of their career. Inoue is really disciplined enough not to cause trouble and he will surely be the next pound-for-pound champion if he can also dominate his current weight division without a problem.

If only they can get to fight him against Casimero this year, it would be the best fight ever because he still needs to prove he wasn't afraid of him at all.

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Quote from: Kemarit on January 22, 2023, 08:22:08 PM

Anyone seen Liam Smith knocking out Chris Eubank in their fight his weekend? This is at a weight of 160 lbs and that is too much for Liam Smith if I'm not mistaken, but he surprises everyone when he knock out Eubank in just 4 rounds.

Now they are talking about a rematch and since Liam Smith has the leverage now, he wanted to fight at a catchweight of 157 lbs. At least this is closer to his fighting weight of 154 lbs.

He was just caughtby Liam Smith perfectly, I initially thought that there are no power behind that, but obviously Eubank was hurt on the first punch that Liam landed on him, he tries to get up but Smith finishes him off. There are some controversial though before the fight and there are comments about by Smith on Chris and the BBBoC didn't take that lightly. I will just leave it to guys to look that in youtube.

In any case, Eubank vs Benn might be delayed because of this upset, and obviously, Eubank is looking for a rematch but I doubt that he can make 157 lbs, he looks drain at 160 lbs already in my opinion. So it's going to be suicide for him if he fights in this rematch at 157 lbs catch weight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 22, 2023, 07:47:46 AM

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

All I want for him now is a positive thought that he will achieve what he wants so he will not regret anything moving forward, I think that he had a rough time while defeated by the younger Naoya Inoue, you will also have the same feeling of regret that you didn't win that fight and in his 2nd attempt it was a total failure and he was now dominated by the younger opponent, I think he is still thinking his path, loosing to those fighters that are bigger than him, and winning against he smaller once, I think his mindset to continue is the one that is pushing him to go even further, for him I really wish him the best,

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

We will see, first fight will tell a lot of things about how much he might dominate the new weight class that he is in.
It's not like his camp will decide it blindly, I am sure he sparred with heavier fighters and they saw how he can still dominate them despite the difference in weight. And perhaps, it's also the best time while he is still young and even if he loses there will be a lot of time to recover, I bet Inoue really likes good competition and he doesn't see that anymore in bantamweight.
I can't imagine what this guy will do once he makes a record in super bantamweight as he did in the previous one. Will he climb higher weights again after he is done with this? That sure is something to look forward to.

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Anyone seen Liam Smith knocking out Chris Eubank in their fight his weekend? This is at a weight of 160 lbs and that is too much for Liam Smith if I'm not mistaken, but he surprises everyone when he knock out Eubank in just 4 rounds.

Now they are talking about a rematch and since Liam Smith has the leverage now, he wanted to fight at a catchweight of 157 lbs. At least this is closer to his fighting weight of 154 lbs.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 22, 2023, 06:56:42 PM

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 22, 2023, 05:21:46 AM

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

Right, specially on the Walters fight, if my memory serves me right, Donaire move up in weight and try to challenge Nicholas that time. But there is a huge difference as far as physical attributes it, Walters is bigger and taller and has more punching power.

But during that fight, Donaire almost knocks Walters down, then after that, he gets too aggressive thinking that he can knock out Walters forgetting that Walters is also a knockout artist which Donaire paid a price and got KO instead.

Quote from: Baofeng on January 22, 2023, 07:14:26 PM

Yup, that's one thing about Nonito, even at this age, his conditioning is superb and maybe the discipline too that's why he was able to got and reach this level when others have been retiring at age 40 while Donaire is still chasing his second reign as a bantamweight. Hopefully barring the issue with his promoter and Moloney's promoter, this fight can be made in the future.

The only problem with Nonito Donaire is that when he falls in love with 1 punch KO disregarding his combination during the fight. I think that is one of the flaw he should fix.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on January 22, 2023, 05:21:46 AM

Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

Right, specially on the Walters fight, if my memory serves me right, Donaire move up in weight and try to challenge Nicholas that time. But there is a huge difference as far as physical attributes it, Walters is bigger and taller and has more punching power.

Yup, that's one thing about Nonito, even at this age, his conditioning is superb and maybe the discipline too that's why he was able to got and reach this level when others have been retiring at age 40 while Donaire is still chasing his second reign as a bantamweight. Hopefully barring the issue with his promoter and Moloney's promoter, this fight can be made in the future.

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Quote from: harizen on January 19, 2023, 07:59:21 PM

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

No one can stop him as long as there are people who still want to watch him. He is right, Inoue is just exceptional, he cannot beat him but he was able to give him a tough fight on their first meeting. Maybe now that Inoue is out on his division, Donaire surely thinks that his chance is very high of becoming a champion again.

There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

True, I still wanted to see Donaire dance on the ring. Even though the flash has aged, a fan will still be a fan, and wanted his supported boxer to see fighting and winning in the ring again.

Quote from: boyptc on January 22, 2023, 06:04:12 PM

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero. You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 20, 2023, 08:18:03 AM

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Quote from: harizen on January 19, 2023, 07:59:21 PM

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

No one can stop him as long as there are people who still want to watch him. He is right, Inoue is just exceptional, he cannot beat him but he was able to give him a tough fight on their first meeting. Maybe now that Inoue is out on his division, Donaire surely thinks that his chance is very high of becoming a champion again.

There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

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