Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 130. (Read 27976 times)

True, the WBC got a strong basis why they put Nonito Donaire up against Jason Moloney for the said vacated belt and it's not just because of some other reasons that isn't related to why Donaire got the chance and not some other boxers down the line. So what if Donaire is already 40 years old? He is still showing some signs that he can still pull a good performance in the ring and his recent loss against Inoue is not the basis that he needed to retire because his time is done.

I hope Nonito's age does not make him less effective. Moloney is not an undefeated fighter, he also lose to Inoue, so I would not say that Moloney has the advantage over Nonito because he is younger than Nonito. 32 years old vs 40 years old. Honestly, I like the chances of Nonito here because Maloney is not a KO artist unlike Inoue.

If you are a follower/fan of Nonito, surely you will notice his strengths and weakness. He lost to Magdaleno and Walters which are a big opponents or in other words, more or less have the same height with him. If you notice also that he defeated fighters like Arce, Montiel, Darchinyan and Oubaali which were small compared to him. The good thing with Nonito is that he always have a good conditioning going into a fight may it be for super flyweight or bantamweight and never have trouble making the scales so if he were to fight Moloney for the WBC bantamweight title, for sure he have a good chance of capturing the belt because of his physical attributes or let us say, height advantage.

I didn't include the rematch too as I know it won't be right for comparison. Now, all we have to see is how far Donaire can go this time against a different boxer. His record is still good back in 2021 with two KO wins against Reymart Gaballo and Nordine Oubaali until the rematch happened where he lost again, maybe he thought there will be a difference when he battles Inoue again after gaining his confidence back on those two wins. But, Inoue is in his prime so he cannot fulfill whatever is going on in his mind.
My own conclusion is I think this will be a good fight. KO possibility if Donaire will be aggressive but if Maloney uses the time it could go UD with him winning while Donaire lacks air.

We can see that way since the two other judges' scores a close one while this other judge seen it differently, we might see the rematch being more interesting as both fighters already taste the power of each other the adjustment will be there. I'm pretty sure that both camps see opportunities to improve and they will try to take it as an advantage once the rematch takes place.

Taylor's condition is questionable, while Catterall can use the time to train harder or he can take a different fight before having the rematch.

I totally agreed, Nonito Donaire is the only one that can surely tell if he can not continue to fight anymore but if he likes to still fight then we can not do something about it, it is his body and he can surely do whatever he wants with it, but for sure if he is ready to retire just like Manny Pacquaio he will surely officially retired for sure, it is just that he doesn't believe that he was beaten by younger fighter and maybe he wants a better title before he could call it enough, a lot of speculation on what is his true motive in keeping the fight in him, but for sure he is the only one pretty much knows what he is doing,


Age surely can not stop someone from what he really loves to do, and the same mindset is really good for those who want to achieve things in their life, and never back down from any challenges, and despite his loss to Naoya Inoue his perseverance to get something is still there, I think all people that are saying that Donaire should stop and retired they need motivation and needs to learn perseverance is needed to achieve anyone goals,

for me, Nonito Donaire is on the right path, if he doesn't back down to what he really wants I think he could achieve it and I think Nonito Donaire needs a little support from his fellow Filipino's so he doesn't have any negative thoughts running and ruining his goal,

Yeah, I do agree that one judge who scored 114-111 is clearly watching a different fight. And if could really go on the way for Catterall in the first fight. But as you have said, he doesn't have the knockout power, so in a very close round, the judges are going to put the score into the champion.

So if he is going to win, it should be in very dominating fashion.

But it seems that Taylor is ready and what to proved that he just had a bad night in that fight and that he will 10 out of 10 against Jack Catterall.

The judge who scored 114-111 favor in Taylor is clearly robbed, their first fight should be draw, I had think Catterall should pull an upset, but Taylor isn't really that bad too. Taylor was a good boxer since he's collecting every belt in light welterweight division and now he's become undisputed champion, but now it seems many people are overestimating him.

The bad thing is Catterall doesn't have enough power to knock out Taylor, so even Catterall is dominating in every rounds, I wouldn't surprised if he win in split decision, not unanimous decision.

And yet we have another postponement of the Josh Taylor vs Jack Catterall rematch.

It has been reported by ESPN @MikeCoppinger



https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1616854497321426945

So another delay for this much anticipated rematch, if some of you guys are not familiar, it was very close fight in the their first meeting that majority thinks that Jack Catterall might have scored a upset here. Scores where  112-113 (Catterall), 114-111 (Taylor), 113-112 (Taylor), at least it could have been draw and better yet, Jack winning. So the rematch has been set this March, however, as reported, Taylor suffered a foot injury and it will require many weeks to heal. Let's wait if Catterall will take a get busy fight or wait for Taylor again.

No need for any call or push on some negotiations by the Donaire's camp. It was ordered and pre-approved.

Nonito Donaire is automatically a mandatory fighter or challenger for the WBC Bantamweight title once Naoya Inoue will moved up. Jason Moloney is ranked 1st behind Inoue in the WBC and Donaire is on the 2nd. Since Inoue left the game at the Bantamweight, that automatically mandate Moloney and Donaire to fight for the title as they ranked 1st and 2nd in the WBC respectively.

I don't understand some people on social media stating that Donaire needs to retire now when there's still a big opportunity that he is getting right now even at 40 years of age. If Donaire isn't on the top rankings, I doubt he will still be in the title contender discussion right now.

We really can't understand because we are not in their shoes.  There are reasons and it is possible that the boxer feels that he can still rock and beat opponents younger than his age.  The boxer might possibly overestimate himself or underestimate his opponent.  But I believe the aged boxer is just depending his action according to the condition of his body.

I am sure there are guidelines and tests the boxer's camp conduct before deciding anything and I believe Donaire passed them all. Donaire isn't just fighting for money alone but he is trying to bag a 5 division champion before he retires.

Furthermore, he is not that behind as well in the rankings at 118 lbs and considering that he was a former reigning champion, he still have every right to call and fight the champions thus he knew that he will still attract audiences around the world and for that, organizers will always agree with him. Just like now, he is getting favored to participate one of Inoue's vacated belts.

I know that someone here might point out that I skip the Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire II.

The reason should be obvious, mate. I didn't include that rematch because there's already an adjustment, especially with Inoue.

Inoue is far way better than Moloney therefore, your analysis referring to Inoue won't be the same as Moloney fighting a 39-year-old Donaire.

I agree with you though at the stamina concern and Donaire's camp should be already aware of that.

Since Moloney can't be compared to Inoue, the current performance of Donaire, at his current age, might still be effective on Moloney.

But still, I don't want to take Donaire's age as a hindrance. Moloney on the other hand isn't the Moloney before. Obviously, the quickness won't be the same in his prime but the point here is, that specialty of his didn't fade in an instant and he keep that even entering his veteran period.

Maybe the turning point of this match is, who will show a lack of stamina first where I believed Donaire will be at disadvantage if the fight last long.

Yeah timing is what Donaire will take advantage, he knows that Maloney is not an easy opponent and also have that capability in throwing solid punches if he will be lazy not to prepare for this fight, though for sure the flash always take each fight as serious as it will be his last fight, we will expect him to analyze Maloney and he will adjust appropriately.

Experienced with proper executions, that's how I see Donaire once this fight takes place.

And with that age, comes Donaire's knowledge and experience, he might not have the speed just like when he was in his prime, however, his timing is still perfect for this division, that's why he was able to knock out younger boxer than him, until he hit a snag on a prime Inoue.

In any case, we should give Donaire his due if ever this fight pushes, and we can say that his chances are still very high to win this fight.

For all we know, this might not last the full 12 rounds or go to the judges scorecard.

But if Maloney will play easy and give Donaire a good opening, we know how the flash works when his opponent gives him the chance. That hook and solid combination will bring Maloney to kiss the floor. I will also give my pick to Donaire, as he is still capable of throwing solid punches. It's jus so happen that Inoue is really a monster and Donaire is no longer in his prime.

not an excuse, but it affects him as with age gap, the flexes and the speed are no longer the same when you are still in your prime.

Hmm. Great observation. This might one of the good reasons why they will give Nonito Donaire the favorite line although I would prefer if they are almost tied so the profits will be better if ever Donaire wins as I will definitely take the bet for him as a Filipino brother.
So, both may have been defeated by Naoya Inoue but the performance that was shown by Donaire was better than Moloney's. I won't be expecting too much from Donaire here especially a KO ending but I do think the pressure will be on Moloney rather than on Donaire and he could use that to his advantage.

And you skipped the rematch between Donaire vs Inoue? it's obvious Inoue beat Donaire very easy, it only need 2 rounds to finish him. You need to be clear to compare their performance, Donaire was able to survive when he was still 36 years old, but after next 3 years, Donaire's stamina and body aren't really as good as 3 years before.

Age does matter, but Donaire is just not to weak and still able to compete with B or C rank boxer. Similar like the other matured good boxers e.g. GGG, Pacquiao etc.

---

Anyway I read in this article https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/1/18/23561411/naoya-inoue-next-fight-stephen-fulton-discussing-spring-title-fight-japan-boxing-news-2023

Mark Magsayo will fight with Brandon Figueroa, but there's no official announcement yet.

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.