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Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 16, 2023, 12:50:04 AM

Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.

I think the manager of Callum is overestimating his boxer if they agree to close the deal against Beterbiev. Why Beterbiev when they got a better chance against Bivol (though I am not saying Callum will win, just stating that I believe Beterbiev is a harder foe than Bivol). We also have to consider that Callum Smith lost to Alvarez so I do not think that Callum Smith have a chance against Beterbiev. It looks like this fight is a walk in the park for Beterbiev if the deal is sealed.

Maybe there's no opponent for Beterbiev in this division, and so far we only heard two knows, him and Bivol. And then right now it's Callum Smith who just move up to this division and never been tested.

But if he wishes to fight the monster in this division in Beterbiev then its going to be very hard fight for him. Maybe more difficult when he face Canelo as Beterbiev is heavy handed and can knock everyone in this division.

A good test though, if he upset Beterbiev then his career will surely hype up and money fight will come on his way, I'm pretty sure there are possibilities as he is also a good fighter and he will be tested once he challenges Arthur. Quite interesting if he will take that route and make his presence being felt in this division. A hard fight for him and, by the stats, Arthur got a huge advantage .

Will see if what will going to be the next interesting news about those potential next upcoming fight.

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Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.

Yeah Callum Smith only lost against Canelo in his whole career and he's currently at 3rd position on light heavyweight boxing rank, so it's should be a good fight. However it's really crazy how boxrec give a huge rate to Bivol after he beat Canelo, Beterbiev's point is really small compared to Bivol. If there's an unification fight Bivol vs Beterbiev, Beterbiev might become an underdog even though he's carrying 3 belts.
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Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Anyway, like many others here, all of us wants to watch a unification fight between Beterbiev and Bivol, but it seems like it will not happen this year at least like what @Baofeng said. Had to watch some of Smith's highlights on Youtube, and he's a good fighter, a good counter puncher, and looks like he's copying what Canelo is doing to his opponents where he make a punch to the head and then to the body instantly.

21 KO's out of his 29 wins (70% KO rate), I think Smith might be a good opponent for him, but... it's Beterbiev that will be his opponent. A monster in the light heavyweight division that has a hundred percent KO rate. A boxer who isn't throwing a lot of punches, but when he throws punches, it's full of power. Anyway, I hope this match will materialize, and will happen this year. As for Bivol, is there any updates with him, or any opponents that he will face this year?

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 18, 2023, 03:26:58 PM

Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.

I think the manager of Callum is overestimating his boxer if they agree to close the deal against Beterbiev. Why Beterbiev when they got a better chance against Bivol (though I am not saying Callum will win, just stating that I believe Beterbiev is a harder foe than Bivol). We also have to consider that Callum Smith lost to Alvarez so I do not think that Callum Smith have a chance against Beterbiev. It looks like this fight is a walk in the park for Beterbiev if the deal is sealed.

Maybe there's no opponent for Beterbiev in this division, and so far we only heard two knows, him and Bivol. And then right now it's Callum Smith who just move up to this division and never been tested.

But if he wishes to fight the monster in this division in Beterbiev then its going to be very hard fight for him. Maybe more difficult when he face Canelo as Beterbiev is heavy handed and can knock everyone in this division.

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^ Not sure if you have read that the Zurdo vs Ramirez has been scratch already, because Ramirez comes in over the weight limit and so Golden Boy decided not to push for it because it's going to be hard for Zurdo to reach the weight limit as he is above 180 lbs in 2 weigh-ins.

So Gesta vs Jojo Diaz is relegated to the top and now the main event.

Gesta have a schedule fight with Ryan Garcia in a headline, but Ryan pulled out, but the good thing is Gesta was build the headline in this fight.

Yeah, I have to check what's the weight and there seems to be really a problem with Zurdo even before the actual weigh in as he looks huge in press conference as compare to Rosado.

It seems he forget about the weight limit, so it's unfortunately and very disrespectful to his former sparring partner as this could be his last fight. And so Gesta should take this advantage as he will be headlining this fight. But not easy against JoJo, as Diaz used to be a big name in the 135 lbs division until he lost to Tank Davis and then to Segura. So it's back to back lost for him and this is his comeback fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 17, 2023, 05:04:49 PM

Will Spence move up to a new division when he wins against Thurman? Personally, I don't see him doing that he likes to continue
holding his belt and the no-loss records, he will just continue to choose the fights and will enjoy his VIP treatment.

That doesn't make sense if after winning against Thurman at 154, he will continue to hold his belts at 147. That's a test run for Spence.

The primary reason in the first place why Spence considered moving up, and ducking Crawford as much as possible, is because of some things he wants to avoid at 147 "obviously, Crawford" or technically as they claimed, Spence is now having difficulty maintaining good shape at 147.

We just have to wait though for the result of the upcoming non-title, non-sense, not-entertaining match between Spence and Thurman.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 18, 2023, 03:26:58 PM

Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.

I think the manager of Callum is overestimating his boxer if they agree to close the deal against Beterbiev. Why Beterbiev when they got a better chance against Bivol (though I am not saying Callum will win, just stating that I believe Beterbiev is a harder foe than Bivol). We also have to consider that Callum Smith lost to Alvarez so I do not think that Callum Smith have a chance against Beterbiev. It looks like this fight is a walk in the park for Beterbiev if the deal is sealed.

^ Not sure if you have read that the Zurdo vs Ramirez has been scratch already, because Ramirez comes in over the weight limit and so Golden Boy decided not to push for it because it's going to be hard for Zurdo to reach the weight limit as he is above 180 lbs in 2 weigh-ins.

So Gesta vs Jojo Diaz is relegated to the top and now the main event.

Gesta have a schedule fight with Ryan Garcia in a headline, but Ryan pulled out, but the good thing is Gesta was build the headline in this fight.

I hope Gesta performs well in this fight since this is a good exposure for him as the main event after the fight between Gilberto 'Zurdo' Ramirez's and Gabe Rosado was cancelled.

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Ramirez first weigh in is 187 lbs, and then in the second, it was 182.6 lbs, so someone really forget that they have to trim to 175 lbs isn't it? On the other hand, Rosado first weigh in just below the limit at 173 lbs.

And on the Diaz vs Gesta fight, Diaz come in overweight as well, 139.4 lbs in a lightweight limit. Gesta too was heavy at 137.2 lbs but for sure there will be some changes in their contract as this fight will proceed as the main event now.

https://www.boxingscene.com/gilberto-ramirez-i-embarrassed-upset-by-my-actions-promise-this-never-happen-again--173177

Maybe Ramirez should fight at CW moving forward hehehe.

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^ Not sure if you have read that the Zurdo vs Ramirez has been scratch already, because Ramirez comes in over the weight limit and so Golden Boy decided not to push for it because it's going to be hard for Zurdo to reach the weight limit as he is above 180 lbs in 2 weigh-ins.

So Gesta vs Jojo Diaz is relegated to the top and now the main event.

Gesta have a schedule fight with Ryan Garcia in a headline, but Ryan pulled out, but the good thing is Gesta was build the headline in this fight.

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Not really that interested to see Ramirez again in the ring because even if he manage to win this one, he will still have to face the fact that he will just be in a dead-end because he cannot beat either one of the champions at 175 pounds. He almost got the same situation with Caleb Plant, people are not interested on him to win anymore because they doubt that he can still make a difference this time when he will face Canelo in the future.

Well, we don't have many boxing events right now so I surely decided to include this here for the ones that are interested, but surely because of the loss against Devin Haney and again to William Zepeda he is not really the same anymore, and moving forward yes the top contender's he doesn't have any chance in beating them at all, but because his opponent is a Filipino boxer that is Mercito Gesta I will surely support this fight for sure,

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Ok, so they sparred a lot according to Zurdo, more than 100 rounds and they are friends inside and outside of the gym. But they will have to fight it out for real and for their career. I think though that Rosado is no longer in his prime.

On the other hand, Ramirez will have to bounce back after suffering a lost against Bivol.

And I think he choose his sparring partner here because he knows that he can beat him easy, in short this is a tune up for him to get back his confidence and put his name on the list again.

Even though they likely spar I really think that Mercito Gesta will not show all of his fight cards for me I would surely think if he doesn't accept this fight just to be a sacrifice for Joseph Diaz in bringing back his confidence then that is a false comeback for him, so I think Mercito Gesta accepted this fight is likely because he will win this and because they are sparring partners then they surely have familiarity with each ones skills and technique,

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Nevertheless, what's funny about it is that their are already weight class, I mean a predetermined weight that this fighters are going to box. So it this is supposedly 135 lbs, they agree to 136 lbs, but then have rehydration clause? I think it defeat the purpose of having this weight category another when there is a cap.

Yeah, and that's why after reading the details I was kind of intrigued because honestly, this is really the first time I saw a clause like that. I guess we will just have to witness it before Ryan Garcia steps on the ring if there will be a weighing scale before he enters. Grin

It's almost like a punishment for a big boxer trying to cut weight for the weigh-ins and then avoiding rehydration just so he can still be in the range where the opponent requested it before the fight.
Now I know why the Tank's camp is avoiding Garcia for a long time. They are pondering what clause they will add to avoid losing the belt.
I think Ryan will have a big problem here if the fight will be long considering that clause.

It's part of boxing culture already, because a boxer can rehydrate and be big in the fight night itself, gain like 10-15 lbs or over 20 lbs is possible for this guys. I heard from Calvin Ford, Davis trainer, that they want the fight in 135 lbs, and Ryan's camp wanted 136 lbs. So they gave in to their demands but there will be a rehydration clause of 10 lbs for Ryan. So both trying to make their weight very easy for them, as Ryan say's it's a go and he has no problem with that. So in this case two weigh-in, before and after the fight to make sure that what is stipulated in the contract will be followed by both camps. We haven't heard about the gloves and the size of the ring and other stipulation.

I suspect that Ryan Garcia's camp didn't anticipated that to happen where a rehydration clause will be put in place right after their demands are being met. I'm just curious though, why would they agree to have the latter choice if they could have the fight happen at 135 and without that rehydration clause as that is more favorable for Garcia's camp rather than getting another weigh-in at the day of the fight to see how much weight did he add and a little over 10 pounds is not acceptable.

we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.

Not maybe but it's certainly for their own boxer's advantage why Tank Davis's camp put a rehydration clause on the contract, and just like Ryan Garcia's camp, making the fight a catchweight bout at 136 is certainly for their boxer's own good and not to give advantage to the opposing side. By the looks of it, I give my thumbs up for Tank Davis's side because speaking of advantages, they certainly got the upper hand. Now, what's left is to let these two boxers dance inside the same ring.

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Not guess but he should've pick Bivol instead of Beterbiev because Bivol will be his redemption if ever he can rule an upset in the fight, it might be hard for him considering that Canelo just beat him easily but he should endure it and give an upset towards the champion if he still wanted his name to be in the top of this weight class. Fighting against Beterbiev is nonsense because I really don't believe that he a slightest chance against the 3-belt champ. Callum Smith picked an opponent that will end his career much earlier and will add an embarrassment to his existence in the industry, that's for sure.

These are the things that I don't understand in boxing either,for me it should also be Bivol, but I think that this type of decision has a lot to do with the business model that generates more money,if with Beterbiev they generate more, then that is the primary reason.

In these times there are fights that sometimes are not within the normal context , not only this one, there are others that do not make sense to me, but I think that now things are moving much more towards what generates more money, the boxing is now more focused in that direction.

Well, about that, I'm not also sure whether Beterbiev can attract more audience than Bivol or if it is the latter who can attract more versus the 3-belt champ. In Callum Smith's case, I don't think it's all about the money because he can still have it by having few more fights in the future but Callum chose Beterbiev because it's the only way he can redeem himself even if it's a big risks on his career, surely if he can manage to upset Beterbiev, it will open new opportunities on his side although that's not really likely.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 04, 2023, 05:14:11 PM

Here mate, the official WBC ranking for their bantamweight class: https://wbcboxing.com/en/bantamweight/

Alejandro Santiago (Barrios) is rank number 4. And yes, Nonito is now rank number 1. And the number 2 Nawaphon Sor Rungvisai, which I thought to be Donaire's opponent for the belt will fight another Filipino in Reymart Gaballo, it is called a title eliminator but obviously the fight between Donaire and Santiago is for the vacant belt already. But maybe the winner of Gaballo vs Sor Rungvisai will fight the champion next.

It is highly likely to happen that the winner between Gaballo and Sor Rungvisai will fight the winner between Nonito Donaire and Alejandro Santiago because whoever the winner between Gaballo and Sor Rungvisai will become the no.1 challenger of the title if ever a mandatory title defense is triggered.

Now it is interesting if both Filipinos won the fight, Gaballo had lost once to Nonito Donaire via 4th round KO so it would be interesting to watch if Gaballo had improved and be able to dominate a fight against Donaire.

In particular, I am a person who has total confidence in Gaballo and Donaire, for me the two are the ones who will win, now between these two, it will be difficult but due to everything they have wanted to demonstrate and want to achieve, it can be Donaire whoever wins, for me if this fight takes place, Donaire will win, I don't know, it could be by knockout or by a few rounds, Donaire gives me the impression that he wants his fights to last a short time so as not to lose shape, his training should Being very hard, also as everyone says that due to age he does not have the same performance, I think that Donaire wants to shut up.

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And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

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or possible that both Ugas and Barrios can create good market to bring money, I see your point and it did happened, there are good fighters in this division who don't have the same opportunities like what they've given to both Barrios and Ugas, though Ugas should have this opportunity since he was a former champ.

Will Spence move up to a new division when he wins against Thurman? Personally, I don't see him doing that he likes to continue
holding his belt and the no-loss records, he will just continue to choose the fights and will enjoy his VIP treatment.

All of Spence's behavior suggests that he will go to another division, I don't know which one, but I think he is looking for more fame, new challenges, and if this is the case, then I think Crawford will have all the desire to fight him, It's a shame for Crawford since this boxer has been preparing to beat a Spence that I really don't know what he wants, it's hard to be able to Speculate on what the boxeaodr5 wants, because there are challenges that he doesn't take on and that's not It seems good to me, and a boxer should always be ready for challenges, for rematches, otherwise what they do doesn't make sense to me.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 17, 2023, 10:25:48 AM

And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

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or possible that both Ugas and Barrios can create good market to bring money, I see your point and it did happened, there are good fighters in this division who don't have the same opportunities like what they've given to both Barrios and Ugas, though Ugas should have this opportunity since he was a former champ.

Will Spence move up to a new division when he wins against Thurman? Personally, I don't see him doing that he likes to continue
holding his belt and the no-loss records, he will just continue to choose the fights and will enjoy his VIP treatment.

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And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

This is common for the most corrupt sanctioning bodies in boxing, the WBA and WBC. They focus on monetary gains rather than imposing what is right. I feel like the WBC is riding PBC's dick and giving Spence that VIP treatment. Interims are supposed to be held only when the champion has a legit reason not to fight like an injury. Garbage Barrios is all of a sudden in the rankings in order to facilitate an all-PBC fight with Ugas which is easier to make rather than make deal with the non-PBC #4 Souleymane Cissokho. These sanctioning bodies are disrespecting the effort of other fighters that worked hard in order to climb the rankings. What a shame.

True, Sulaiman started it and so other sanctioning bodies follow suit with their own set of champions, we have Diamond champions, Interim, Champion in recess - I mean a champion that cannot defend his belt for unknown reasons, well the obvious choice is that he should be stripped right? Lol, but not, he is still a champion by not defending his belt, so that's how f**k up WBC is.

That's why I question the Barrios vs Ugas hehehe, and then they leave the other ranking boxers, they will fight it out though and maybe the winner will have the face the Barrios vs Ugas winner? But why not get the 1 vs 2 for the interim belt? doesn't really make any sense but to push either Barrios or Ugas to be the next so called 'interim' champion or become the regular champion is Spence goes to 154 lbs.

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And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

It's all for the money I guess, and we have heard boxing corruptions, and that they are paid by the promotions not to force this boxers for mandatory and so they created this so called interim belts for the meantime. But the regular champion fight another boxer, for the same reason, money as well because the champion vs mandatory might not bring enough money to the promoters and their network affiliations. I know, it's non-sense, but they have built this already and it's just like the norm now for this 4 boxing organizations.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 04, 2023, 04:59:17 PM

And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

This is common for the most corrupt sanctioning bodies in boxing, the WBA and WBC. They focus on monetary gains rather than imposing what is right. I feel like the WBC is riding PBC's dick and giving Spence that VIP treatment. Interims are supposed to be held only when the champion has a legit reason not to fight like an injury. Garbage Barrios is all of a sudden in the rankings in order to facilitate an all-PBC fight with Ugas which is easier to make rather than make deal with the non-PBC #4 Souleymane Cissokho. These sanctioning bodies are disrespecting the effort of other fighters that worked hard in order to climb the rankings. What a shame.

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Prior to fight night, the YouTuber-turned boxer raised the stakes, offering to give his rival his entire cut of the fight purse if he could become the first man to beat him.

John Fury eagerly agreed to those terms on his son’s behalf before the former Love Island star crossed the stage to shake hands and seal the deal.

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/01/john-fury-sends-warning-to-jake-paul-over-tommy-fury-fight-bet-18369562/?ito=newsnow-feed

Jake Paul has to pay that bet, even if there is not a written contract the terms were extremely simple and they both agreed to it, and if he refuses I think Tommy Fury has enough grounds to take this to court and win, and at that point most likely he will have to pay for the lawyers expenses and the interests accumulated during that time too, so he better pays up, besides if he refuses this will be a hit to his reputation as we will know his word is worth nothing on his eyes and he is willing to go back so easily on it.

^ That is right, if there is a dispute over the terms of a bet or agreement, it is always best to have a written contract to avoid confusion or misunderstandings. This helps to establish clear expectations and ensures that both parties understand their obligations. Because for me, if Jake Paul made a bet with Tommy Fury and both parties agreed to the terms, then Jake Paul should honor the bet and pay up, regardless of whether or not there was a written contract. Reneging on a bet could certainly damage his reputation and could be he is not a trustworthy person.

That would be a shame for Jake Paul,I don't see it that way,as I have said in several threads,a boxer should always be prepared to accept his challenges,rematches,without being forced by a clause,rookie boxers are always hungry to fight and accept all kinds of challenges,but personally a boxer must accept it,boxers currently do not know what they are looking for,but everything points to the business model and to earn more money,it is not bad to earn money,but it is not possible either lose the north that is the sport and more the boxing that is such an exciting sport.

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So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.

More likely he will just gonna bulldozed by Beterbiev because he is not that strong enough to take his punches. I don't know what else Beterbiev needs when he already got the best requirements to fight with Bivol. But still, when it comes to a super fight such as this one, it turns out the negotiation is so hard that it will gonna be taken so long before they can even decide whether to approve the fight or not. Anyway, Beterbiev doesn't really care whoever he's next opponent will be, as long as they are in the same weight, he will demolish him.

I guess he needs to fight Bivol, as he is not getting any younger, so at least he should have a big fight before retiring. Callum Smith is tall but weak; he was beaten by Canelo easily, just like what Canelo did to Caleb Plant. Maybe Beterbiev has to consider challenging himself more, and that is by fighting a boxer against whom we aren't sure he will win.

Not guess but he should've pick Bivol instead of Beterbiev because Bivol will be his redemption if ever he can rule an upset in the fight, it might be hard for him considering that Canelo just beat him easily but he should endure it and give an upset towards the champion if he still wanted his name to be in the top of this weight class. Fighting against Beterbiev is nonsense because I really don't believe that he a slightest chance against the 3-belt champ. Callum Smith picked an opponent that will end his career much earlier and will add an embarrassment to his existence in the industry, that's for sure.

These are the things that I don't understand in boxing either,for me it should also be Bivol, but I think that this type of decision has a lot to do with the business model that generates more money,if with Beterbiev they generate more, then that is the primary reason.

In these times there are fights that sometimes are not within the normal context , not only this one, there are others that do not make sense to me, but I think that now things are moving much more towards what generates more money, the boxing is now more focused in that direction.

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Quote from: Natalim on March 16, 2023, 04:56:07 AM

And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

In my case, I'm not also sure why these governing bodies keep on ordering such fights for the interim belts to have interim champs when in-fact they are not giving the champions a mandatory title defense especially in the welterweight. They should just focus on giving the existing champions a mandatory title defense because the division is already stacked up at the moment, we have lots of good boxers that is not yet given a chance to be a champion because they are just letting the title holders to keep the belts for a long time while ducking some fights. And now another fight for an interim belt? That's just nonsense, IMO.

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And so WBC ordered a fight between Ugas and Barrios for the interim belt. Ugas is rank 2, while Barrios is rank 5. Thurman is rank 1 and will be fighting the champion in Spence, however it's 154 lbs.

So not sure why WBC ordered such fight for the interim belt, maybe they know that Spence will go up in weight if he wins against Thurman. On the other hand, Barrios has just like 2 fights in this division, lost to Thurman and then won against a unknown boxer. There is also rank 3 and 4 boxers in their organization, but they were bypass by Mario here, and then Ugas who did lost to Spence in his last fight.

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