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So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.


More likely he will just gonna bulldozed by Beterbiev because he is not that strong enough to take his punches. I don't know what else Beterbiev needs when he already got the best requirements to fight with Bivol. But still, when it comes to a super fight such as this one, it turns out the negotiation is so hard that it will gonna be taken so long before they can even decide whether to approve the fight or not. Anyway, Beterbiev doesn't really care whoever he's next opponent will be, as long as they are in the same weight, he will demolish him.

I guess he needs to fight Bivol, as he is not getting any younger, so at least he should have a big fight before retiring. Callum Smith is tall but weak; he was beaten by Canelo easily, just like what Canelo did to Caleb Plant. Maybe Beterbiev has to consider challenging himself more, and that is by fighting a boxer against whom we aren't sure he will win.

Not guess but he should've pick Bivol instead of Beterbiev because Bivol will be his redemption if ever he can rule an upset in the fight, it might be hard for him considering that Canelo just beat him easily but he should endure it and give an upset towards the champion if he still wanted his name to be in the top of this weight class. Fighting against Beterbiev is nonsense because I really don't believe that he a slightest chance against the 3-belt champ. Callum Smith picked an opponent that will end his career much earlier and will add an embarrassment to his existence in the industry, that's for sure.
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So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.


More likely he will just gonna bulldozed by Beterbiev because he is not that strong enough to take his punches. I don't know what else Beterbiev needs when he already got the best requirements to fight with Bivol. But still, when it comes to a super fight such as this one, it turns out the negotiation is so hard that it will gonna be taken so long before they can even decide whether to approve the fight or not. Anyway, Beterbiev doesn't really care whoever he's next opponent will be, as long as they are in the same weight, he will demolish him.

I guess he needs to fight Bivol, as he is not getting any younger, so at least he should have a big fight before retiring. Callum Smith is tall but weak; he was beaten by Canelo easily, just like what Canelo did to Caleb Plant. Maybe Beterbiev has to consider challenging himself more, and that is by fighting a boxer against whom we aren't sure he will win.
Yes, another great fight that we all waiting to see, if and only if their respective promoters will just sit up and talk because both of them wanted to fight. I agree that Beterbiev is not getting young and he is going to face a prime Bivol if ever they will in the future.

Callum Smith? Nah, I think he will be worst that Yarde in my opinion, If Yarde was able to stay with Beterbiev and then fell on the latter rounds, it might be a complete opposite for Smith as once he feel the power of Beterbiev early, he might go down that easy.
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I agree that an ML bet for Ryan Garcia is already enough profits for us because he's not really that behind Tank's level, he can still boast that about that KO punch he possess as I believe this will be a fight of who will be the first successful boxer to land their vicious KO punches, and of course, the first one to kneel or go down will be defeated as that's just hard to flip.
Both strong chins with scary power punches. I bet the ring will explode in shouts of the fans once their fists meets their faces.  Cheesy
But for Ryan's mindset that he's not really bothered by the 10 pounds rehydration clause, he is clearly bluffing as their camp even make it in a catchweight bout to give Ryan an edge and now he's saying that 10 lbs rehydration is nothing? I really doubt that. And saying that they allowed that clause to be included is far from reality, of course they have no choice but to agree with Tank's camp about that specific clause because they already asked for a catchweight bout, and if they won't sign, it's their loss not Tank's.
He has to look strong in front of him, don't show any weaknesses, every boxer does that. But I know it will show once the fight begins. Surely, Ryan Garcia's camp will try to rehydrate him as fast as they could after the final weigh-in (before they come up the ring) and try to cover it.
Tank's camp though might have a new plan to be aggressive in the first round and take advantage of it.
If that will happen, this will be a rare view as we will see a champion being the attacker and this is not the Tank's forte so it will also be new to him.
He always starts slow but I am predicting it will be a different case when the bell rings.
Did you guys watch the press conference? Tank is saying Garcia only has the left, that is all he can bring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFK2Dq78Cps
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So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.


More likely he will just gonna bulldozed by Beterbiev because he is not that strong enough to take his punches. I don't know what else Beterbiev needs when he already got the best requirements to fight with Bivol. But still, when it comes to a super fight such as this one, it turns out the negotiation is so hard that it will gonna be taken so long before they can even decide whether to approve the fight or not. Anyway, Beterbiev doesn't really care whoever he's next opponent will be, as long as they are in the same weight, he will demolish him.

I guess he needs to fight Bivol, as he is not getting any younger, so at least he should have a big fight before retiring. Callum Smith is tall but weak; he was beaten by Canelo easily, just like what Canelo did to Caleb Plant. Maybe Beterbiev has to consider challenging himself more, and that is by fighting a boxer against whom we aren't sure he will win.
When Beterbiev was able to face and defeat the two other division champions, how can we question his ability to fight difficult opponents? The belt of Bivol is the only one left that Beterbiev does not own. Although I do not question Bivol, Beterbiev unquestionably has the superior and more difficult fight. Beterbiev will kill Saul Alvarez because the Mexican would be too small to face him. Alvarez chose the one belt only Bivol because he thought it would be easier than Beterbiev. We already hear that Beterbiev and Bivol want to match each other, so I guess the problem lies with their promoters.
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So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.


More likely he will just gonna bulldozed by Beterbiev because he is not that strong enough to take his punches. I don't know what else Beterbiev needs when he already got the best requirements to fight with Bivol. But still, when it comes to a super fight such as this one, it turns out the negotiation is so hard that it will gonna be taken so long before they can even decide whether to approve the fight or not. Anyway, Beterbiev doesn't really care whoever he's next opponent will be, as long as they are in the same weight, he will demolish him.

I guess he needs to fight Bivol, as he is not getting any younger, so at least he should have a big fight before retiring. Callum Smith is tall but weak; he was beaten by Canelo easily, just like what Canelo did to Caleb Plant. Maybe Beterbiev has to consider challenging himself more, and that is by fighting a boxer against whom we aren't sure he will win.
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Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.
Yeah Callum Smith only lost against Canelo in his whole career and he's currently at 3rd position on light heavyweight boxing rank, so it's should be a good fight. However it's really crazy how boxrec give a huge rate to Bivol after he beat Canelo, Beterbiev's point is really small compared to Bivol. If there's an unification fight Bivol vs Beterbiev, Beterbiev might become an underdog even though he's carrying 3 belts.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_heavyweight

I am more surprised that Callum Smith is situated in the #3 spot while Zurdo Ramirez was in the fourth spot since the latter got more wins and KOs than Callum Smith yet the latter was behind the rankings of boxrec.com. Regarding Bivol's points, it's somehow expected that his points will overcome Beterbiev's because that fight against Canelo Alvarez really hyped his name even if he was the champion and Canelo was just a challenger to his belt.
And if ever a unification fight will materialize between Bivol and Beterbiev, I seriously doubt that Bivol will be the favorite because Beterbiev got more factors and edge.
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So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.


More likely he will just gonna bulldozed by Beterbiev because he is not that strong enough to take his punches. I don't know what else Beterbiev needs when he already got the best requirements to fight with Bivol. But still, when it comes to a super fight such as this one, it turns out the negotiation is so hard that it will gonna be taken so long before they can even decide whether to approve the fight or not. Anyway, Beterbiev doesn't really care whoever he's next opponent will be, as long as they are in the same weight, he will demolish him.
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Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.
Yeah Callum Smith only lost against Canelo in his whole career and he's currently at 3rd position on light heavyweight boxing rank, so it's should be a good fight. However it's really crazy how boxrec give a huge rate to Bivol after he beat Canelo, Beterbiev's point is really small compared to Bivol. If there's an unification fight Bivol vs Beterbiev, Beterbiev might become an underdog even though he's carrying 3 belts.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_heavyweight
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we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
And I think that will be the issue. That's the motive of the clause, to give Garcia a hard time.
After the weigh-ins, he should preserve that wait until fight night which means a lot of things. Powerless, stressed, and more. The effects will be lighter punches, exhaustion, and could easily get irritated which Davis could take advantage of. It sounds unfair but Davis' camp is using the rule book on their side especially knowing Garcia's body build is way too big for that weight class.
We will definitely see a KO here. Either Garcia will shock Davis because it didn't affect him or he will be lying in the mat because of the wittiness of his opponent using the "clause" as their upper hand.

I think that is the main goal on the camp of Tank Davis, they see Ryan as a very big 135 lbs so they have to insert that into the clause, that he can only add 10 lbs for rehydration, no more no less.

So they just want it to be fair for Davis, although for fans, it seems that Tank wanted to take advantage of Ryan Garcia. But it's a done deal already, Ryan is fine and definitely still has the height and reach advantage. Power might be the same, as well as the speed. So maybe whomever make the first mistake, but suffer that knock/down or out.

It's fair enough for both camps because both of them used a favor as Ryan Garcia only wanted 136 catchweight fight instead of 135, so Davis's camp also made a rehydration clause because even if 136 is just a 1 pound shy, that will still matter for a guy like Garcia who is much taller and that is why Davis also got his own rule to overrule Garcia on that one. Now, as we can see, Davis have much more edge and probably one of the important factors why he can dominate Garcia as the latter is very much dehydrated.

And they are really fighting it out even in the negotiations, and it seems Davis is the clear winner. But as Ryan has said in public, he isn't bother by the 10 lbs rehydration so he allowed that to be included in the contract itself. So maybe Davis has now the edge, but Ryan still thinks that he can pull it off.  But he is like 3:1 underdog in this fight though. I think a ML bet for Ryan is already very attractive to us. Even the Over and the Under (7.5) is already good in my opinion. The good thing is that we can already see the odds and make our own speculation and bet on it base on our analysis.

I agree that an ML bet for Ryan Garcia is already enough profits for us because he's not really that behind Tank's level, he can still boast that about that KO punch he possess as I believe this will be a fight of who will be the first successful boxer to land their vicious KO punches, and of course, the first one to kneel or go down will be defeated as that's just hard to flip.

But for Ryan's mindset that he's not really bothered by the 10 pounds rehydration clause, he is clearly bluffing as their camp even make it in a catchweight bout to give Ryan an edge and now he's saying that 10 lbs rehydration is nothing? I really doubt that. And saying that they allowed that clause to be included is far from reality, of course they have no choice but to agree with Tank's camp about that specific clause because they already asked for a catchweight bout, and if they won't sign, it's their loss not Tank's.
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Ok so Beterbiev vs Callum Smith has been ordered by the WBC next, although it's going to be a short 3 weeks negotiation as the ordered is up to April 11. If there are no contract between the two sides, then it will go on a purse bid.

So definitely we will see Beterbiev fight this year again. But we have to wait for it and it is obviously not Bivol which is the fighter that we wanted to see and for the unification of the belt. But Callum Smith might be a good opponent for him. We all know that he had a good title run, until he lost to Saul Alvarez and then he decided to move up to 175 and now has another crack for the belt against Beterbiev.


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We don't have an upcoming well-known fight right now but we have a boxing match this coming March 18, well I am going to leave it here unless anyone is interested in a certain Discussion about the fight, and this is the we also got a Filipino boxer in the Co-Main event

Ramirez vs. Rosado

Saturday 03.18.2023 at 09:00 PM ET
Promotion: Golden Boy Promotions
Venue: The Walter Pyramid
Location: Long Beach, California



MAIN EVENT

Gilberto Ramirez VS Gabriel Rosado

CO-MAIN EVENT

Joseph Diaz VS Mercito Gesta

MAIN CARD

Oscar Duarte VS Alex Martin
Eric Tudor VS Damoni Cato-Cain

All information was from TAPOLOGY

Ok, so they sparred a lot according to Zurdo, more than 100 rounds and they are friends inside and outside of the gym. But they will have to fight it out for real and for their career. I think though that Rosado is no longer in his prime.

On the other hand, Ramirez will have to bounce back after suffering a lost against Bivol.

And I think he choose his sparring partner here because he knows that he can beat him easy, in short this is a tune up for him to get back his confidence and put his name on the list again.
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we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
And I think that will be the issue. That's the motive of the clause, to give Garcia a hard time.
After the weigh-ins, he should preserve that wait until fight night which means a lot of things. Powerless, stressed, and more. The effects will be lighter punches, exhaustion, and could easily get irritated which Davis could take advantage of. It sounds unfair but Davis' camp is using the rule book on their side especially knowing Garcia's body build is way too big for that weight class.
We will definitely see a KO here. Either Garcia will shock Davis because it didn't affect him or he will be lying in the mat because of the wittiness of his opponent using the "clause" as their upper hand.

I think that is the main goal on the camp of Tank Davis, they see Ryan as a very big 135 lbs so they have to insert that into the clause, that he can only add 10 lbs for rehydration, no more no less.

So they just want it to be fair for Davis, although for fans, it seems that Tank wanted to take advantage of Ryan Garcia. But it's a done deal already, Ryan is fine and definitely still has the height and reach advantage. Power might be the same, as well as the speed. So maybe whomever make the first mistake, but suffer that knock/down or out.

It's fair enough for both camps because both of them used a favor as Ryan Garcia only wanted 136 catchweight fight instead of 135, so Davis's camp also made a rehydration clause because even if 136 is just a 1 pound shy, that will still matter for a guy like Garcia who is much taller and that is why Davis also got his own rule to overrule Garcia on that one. Now, as we can see, Davis have much more edge and probably one of the important factors why he can dominate Garcia as the latter is very much dehydrated.

And they are really fighting it out even in the negotiations, and it seems Davis is the clear winner. But as Ryan has said in public, he isn't bother by the 10 lbs rehydration so he allowed that to be included in the contract itself. So maybe Davis has now the edge, but Ryan still thinks that he can pull it off.  But he is like 3:1 underdog in this fight though. I think a ML bet for Ryan is already very attractive to us. Even the Over and the Under (7.5) is already good in my opinion. The good thing is that we can already see the odds and make our own speculation and bet on it base on our analysis.
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we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
And I think that will be the issue. That's the motive of the clause, to give Garcia a hard time.
After the weigh-ins, he should preserve that wait until fight night which means a lot of things. Powerless, stressed, and more. The effects will be lighter punches, exhaustion, and could easily get irritated which Davis could take advantage of. It sounds unfair but Davis' camp is using the rule book on their side especially knowing Garcia's body build is way too big for that weight class.
We will definitely see a KO here. Either Garcia will shock Davis because it didn't affect him or he will be lying in the mat because of the wittiness of his opponent using the "clause" as their upper hand.

I think that is the main goal on the camp of Tank Davis, they see Ryan as a very big 135 lbs so they have to insert that into the clause, that he can only add 10 lbs for rehydration, no more no less.

So they just want it to be fair for Davis, although for fans, it seems that Tank wanted to take advantage of Ryan Garcia. But it's a done deal already, Ryan is fine and definitely still has the height and reach advantage. Power might be the same, as well as the speed. So maybe whomever make the first mistake, but suffer that knock/down or out.

It's fair enough for both camps because both of them used a favor as Ryan Garcia only wanted 136 catchweight fight instead of 135, so Davis's camp also made a rehydration clause because even if 136 is just a 1 pound shy, that will still matter for a guy like Garcia who is much taller and that is why Davis also got his own rule to overrule Garcia on that one. Now, as we can see, Davis have much more edge and probably one of the important factors why he can dominate Garcia as the latter is very much dehydrated.
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Well, for me, Floyd Mayweather is not such an iconic boxer, I am sure that many know well who Pacquiao is before him, I cannot deny, he is a very intelligent boxer, he knows how to handle fights in a totally technical area very well, but sometimes Sometimes that is something that is boring, we as fans want to see more action, we want to see technique and we want to see what they are capable of, that they reach the limit, maybe things are getting more demanding for this type of boxer.
I know what you feel and that vibe is the same with many boxing fans. It's true that he's a living legend and he's got a good and clean record but he's not really an icon to many. I don't know maybe that feels about how he's interacting with fans and the charisma isn't just the same with other real icons that we can say like Pacquiao, Marquez, and other boxers that have been knowing for the past years. And it even made his reputation lower when he's doing some exhibition matches as it's intended to make money just as his alias.

many boxing fans want real toe-to-toe fight inside the ring. and mayweather's technique is not like that, he is indeed on the technicalities wherein as a boxing audience, you will see him running away from his opponent but only care for the points he will make. i also don't like this kind of boxer. much better if he will give a real fight just like pacquiao. every boxing fan has their own take on this matter. but imo, a true legend is not afraid of having a loss in his record.

It's not that I'm a very radical fan, what happens is that when the fights are merely technical they go to the terrain of boredom and that partly turns into anger, because they are fights that one looks forward to and suddenly comes out with that, so it's not worth it, they don't give the show, unlike Pacquiao in his time, he was always looking for a fight, he wasn't afraid of receiving the blows, he knew that if he gave just 1 blow it would be very decisive, and that's what that excites, boxing is for people who are not afraid of blows, but who really want to succeed.


And that is the bad side of boxing and negotiations, the B-side will also take the small pie and the disadvantage unless he pulls an upset win. And in this case, Garcia will be the obvious underdog, but for sure he will be a live underdog as what they say, meaning he has a good chance to win as well.

"In general", that's not a considered bad side for me but rather just makes sense to happen especially weighing in terms of popularity or maybe tickets and PPV sales history. Referring to the mega bout between Davis and Garcia, I do think that anything related to the purse split isn't really a big concern. There is just part of the contract, outside the purse split concerns, that Garcia didn't want especially making some adjustments just for the fight to happen.

Regardless though, the boxing community should be thankful to both for pushing their fight and not taking another bout with other boxers even if "their surroundings" are telling them not to do that instead. One of the anticipated big fights this year will now be witnessed.

It's the negotiation that take place whatever behind the contract are both being signed by two parties, I can understand if there's some edge for Davis in terms of the amount that his camp will be getting in this upcoming fight, it's understandable and Garcia's camp sign the deal meaning to say that they are accepting that negotiations.

In terms of upset, we can expect that, as Garcia also has that capability to KO, if Davis will be careless and not going to take the fight seriously.

I mean, if Garcia will be given that chance to throw solid combinations, then Davis will surely kiss the floor.

Well, that is what Boxers always have in their favor,how They can do in their training and depending on that performance is how you can see in the fight how they do it,if it is good or bad,for me the type of training that they take,in the case of Garcia of course he can make a good Knockout, I think Davis must consider that he can do it and must take his precautions and his good strategy,in the case of Davis he is a Boxer who has a lot of experience, and Obviously he can do a great Knockout, but I am Trust that these Fighters from round 1 will give it their all.

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we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
And I think that will be the issue. That's the motive of the clause, to give Garcia a hard time.
After the weigh-ins, he should preserve that wait until fight night which means a lot of things. Powerless, stressed, and more. The effects will be lighter punches, exhaustion, and could easily get irritated which Davis could take advantage of. It sounds unfair but Davis' camp is using the rule book on their side especially knowing Garcia's body build is way too big for that weight class.
We will definitely see a KO here. Either Garcia will shock Davis because it didn't affect him or he will be lying in the mat because of the wittiness of his opponent using the "clause" as their upper hand.

There's always something that fans will love to discuss, after the negotiations and both camps agree with the terms and conditions the next thing is to prepare for the fight, whatever it is that may affect the winning chance of each individual they needed to train well to adjust and make it more possible to take that edge.

Either Garcia or Davis, both are capable of KO their opponents. Just a slight mistake can bring them to kiss the floor.
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we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
And I think that will be the issue. That's the motive of the clause, to give Garcia a hard time.
After the weigh-ins, he should preserve that wait until fight night which means a lot of things. Powerless, stressed, and more. The effects will be lighter punches, exhaustion, and could easily get irritated which Davis could take advantage of. It sounds unfair but Davis' camp is using the rule book on their side especially knowing Garcia's body build is way too big for that weight class.
We will definitely see a KO here. Either Garcia will shock Davis because it didn't affect him or he will be lying in the mat because of the wittiness of his opponent using the "clause" as their upper hand.

I think that is the main goal on the camp of Tank Davis, they see Ryan as a very big 135 lbs so they have to insert that into the clause, that he can only add 10 lbs for rehydration, no more no less.

So they just want it to be fair for Davis, although for fans, it seems that Tank wanted to take advantage of Ryan Garcia. But it's a done deal already, Ryan is fine and definitely still has the height and reach advantage. Power might be the same, as well as the speed. So maybe whomever make the first mistake, but suffer that knock/down or out.
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we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
And I think that will be the issue. That's the motive of the clause, to give Garcia a hard time.
After the weigh-ins, he should preserve that wait until fight night which means a lot of things. Powerless, stressed, and more. The effects will be lighter punches, exhaustion, and could easily get irritated which Davis could take advantage of. It sounds unfair but Davis' camp is using the rule book on their side especially knowing Garcia's body build is way too big for that weight class.
We will definitely see a KO here. Either Garcia will shock Davis because it didn't affect him or he will be lying in the mat because of the wittiness of his opponent using the "clause" as their upper hand.
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And that is the bad side of boxing and negotiations, the B-side will also take the small pie and the disadvantage unless he pulls an upset win. And in this case, Garcia will be the obvious underdog, but for sure he will be a live underdog as what they say, meaning he has a good chance to win as well.

"In general", that's not a considered bad side for me but rather just makes sense to happen especially weighing in terms of popularity or maybe tickets and PPV sales history. Referring to the mega bout between Davis and Garcia, I do think that anything related to the purse split isn't really a big concern. There is just part of the contract, outside the purse split concerns, that Garcia didn't want especially making some adjustments just for the fight to happen.

Regardless though, the boxing community should be thankful to both for pushing their fight and not taking another bout with other boxers even if "their surroundings" are telling them not to do that instead. One of the anticipated big fights this year will now be witnessed.

I agree though, it's not a bad side in general, it is what it is, we have the odds favorite and the underdog. And no matter what, in negotiations, there will always be something that will be in disagreement, and it can only be settled if the other side is willing to make a compromise and make that adjustments. And in this case, Garcia says "Yes", because he wants the fight to be done no matter what will be those unfavorable proviso in the contract. No more speculation and waiting, just like the failed supposedly fight between two of the best and unbeaten fighter, Spence and Crawford. And with that, now we are going to see one of the best fights for this year, or maybe the best fights if this is going to be a battle inside the ring.
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Nevertheless, what's funny about it is that their are already weight class, I mean a predetermined weight that this fighters are going to box. So it this is supposedly 135 lbs, they agree to 136 lbs, but then have rehydration clause? I think it defeat the purpose of having this weight category another when there is a cap.
Yeah, and that's why after reading the details I was kind of intrigued because honestly, this is really the first time I saw a clause like that. I guess we will just have to witness it before Ryan Garcia steps on the ring if there will be a weighing scale before he enters.  Grin
It's almost like a punishment for a big boxer trying to cut weight for the weigh-ins and then avoiding rehydration just so he can still be in the range where the opponent requested it before the fight.
Now I know why the Tank's camp is avoiding Garcia for a long time. They are pondering what clause they will add to avoid losing the belt.
I think Ryan will have a big problem here if the fight will be long considering that clause.

It's part of boxing culture already, because a boxer can rehydrate and be big in the fight night itself, gain like 10-15 lbs or over 20 lbs is possible for this guys. I heard from Calvin Ford, Davis trainer, that they want the fight in 135 lbs, and Ryan's camp wanted 136 lbs. So they gave in to their demands but there will be a rehydration clause of 10 lbs for Ryan. So both trying to make their weight very easy for them, as Ryan say's it's a go and he has no problem with that. So in this case two weigh-in, before and after the fight to make sure that what is stipulated in the contract will be followed by both camps. We haven't heard about the gloves and the size of the ring and other stipulation.

I suspect that Ryan Garcia's camp didn't anticipated that to happen where a rehydration clause will be put in place right after their demands are being met. I'm just curious though, why would they agree to have the latter choice if they could have the fight happen at 135 and without that rehydration clause as that is more favorable for Garcia's camp rather than getting another weigh-in at the day of the fight to see how much weight did he add and a little over 10 pounds is not acceptable.

we don't know their ulterior motives but maybe they are seeing some advantages for their boxer. we can't really tell what they are thinking on this matter, as they may have strategy how to go around inside the ring without feeling drained or of that sort. well, we will see if this will really help Garcia's upcoming fight. but a big deviation of weight after rehydration may give issues to his body while fighting. so better stay on his comfortable weight where his body is not being forced to.
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Nevertheless, what's funny about it is that their are already weight class, I mean a predetermined weight that this fighters are going to box. So it this is supposedly 135 lbs, they agree to 136 lbs, but then have rehydration clause? I think it defeat the purpose of having this weight category another when there is a cap.
Yeah, and that's why after reading the details I was kind of intrigued because honestly, this is really the first time I saw a clause like that. I guess we will just have to witness it before Ryan Garcia steps on the ring if there will be a weighing scale before he enters.  Grin
It's almost like a punishment for a big boxer trying to cut weight for the weigh-ins and then avoiding rehydration just so he can still be in the range where the opponent requested it before the fight.
Now I know why the Tank's camp is avoiding Garcia for a long time. They are pondering what clause they will add to avoid losing the belt.
I think Ryan will have a big problem here if the fight will be long considering that clause.

It's part of boxing culture already, because a boxer can rehydrate and be big in the fight night itself, gain like 10-15 lbs or over 20 lbs is possible for this guys. I heard from Calvin Ford, Davis trainer, that they want the fight in 135 lbs, and Ryan's camp wanted 136 lbs. So they gave in to their demands but there will be a rehydration clause of 10 lbs for Ryan. So both trying to make their weight very easy for them, as Ryan say's it's a go and he has no problem with that. So in this case two weigh-in, before and after the fight to make sure that what is stipulated in the contract will be followed by both camps. We haven't heard about the gloves and the size of the ring and other stipulation.

I suspect that Ryan Garcia's camp didn't anticipated that to happen where a rehydration clause will be put in place right after their demands are being met. I'm just curious though, why would they agree to have the latter choice if they could have the fight happen at 135 and without that rehydration clause as that is more favorable for Garcia's camp rather than getting another weigh-in at the day of the fight to see how much weight did he add and a little over 10 pounds is not acceptable.
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