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November 09, 2022, 10:52:55 AM
If ever both party agreed for a rematch, I wonder which weight Division are they fighting, would it be Canelo's division? or Bivol's division?  If ever Canelo go up in weight division just to fight Bivols in his natural Division, I think we will be seeing the same result like their first fight.

I don't think that Bivol can go and fight at 168 lbs, he has been a true light heavy weight fighter in his career. So most likely if Canelo insisted at this comfortable weight, Bivol is not going to take the fight. Canelo has 2 fights already in light heavy weight so I guess there is no problem for him moving up again and rematch Bivol. Although the result might still be the same as you have said.

Aside from that, Canelo don't have any power now to insist or demand what he want like to settle and contest their rematch in 168 pounds because he is now chasing Bivol, not the other way around. Furthermore, their first encounter happened in Bivol's division, so it's still better to make it happen in light-heavyweight and just like you guys said, this isn't the first time for Canelo.

Well, let's say that their rematch will indeed happen in 168 lbs. and let's say that Bivol have also agreed to it. The question is, is Canelo Alvarez ready to risk his belts and the undisputed title? I don't think Canelo have the guts to risk his status now because he already know Bivol's capabilities. Remember that supermiddle and lightheavy have only 7 lbs. or 3 mere kilograms of difference. Bivol will surely take that challenge for sure if that's the case, no doubt.

This is an interesting speculation Cheesy although it is not that likely that Canelo will risk what he has, but if ever Canelo will indeed insist that to Bivol to fight him in a title match in super-middle then I think Bivol will seriously take that challenge. But the reality is that Canelo is not that dumb to even consider that idea, if there's a rematch, it will be contested at 175 lbs.
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November 09, 2022, 10:05:26 AM
as this type of boxing match is still selling tickets, the promoters behind this activity will continue to take advantage of this situation. but would be nice if they are setting-up good exhibition matches and not just because of clear intentions of pocketing the money from the boxing community. from time to time, we need entertainment. but should at least worth our pennies. and not just pulled out from somewhere, where the "boxers" themselves are not ready to rumble inside the ring.

There's a risk too on the side of promoters as they should organize an exhibition match that is really living the hype.

They can't just form a match randomly just because they want it. I do agree that there will be more people that will still support exhibition matches as long as those fighters involved are worthy to watch.

A fight between a famous one against a non-popular one can also do the trick. I don't know but money is really flowing at exhibition matches.

I've been asking myself the same question, like why are exhibition matches so hyped these days? People already know that the fight is somehow scripted but they still want to pay good money to watch the fight in person or live in their respective homes.

Maybe because the people have missed seeing the good veteran fighters fighting again that once built their names in their primes or maybe there is another reason why but yes, exhibition fights are also a good way to get good money these days as long as you're popular.

the reason exhibition fights are popular is that people have the opportunity to see those people that they are fans fight, because for an exhibition fight to happen there just needs to be an agreement between fighters, whereas in normal fights you have to follow the rules, so in a normal fight, people who are following the rules of category, weight, among other things that are part of the rules are fighting and people, even if they don't like the fighters, will make bets and some can even watch the fights. It's very different from exhibition fights where you see famous people fighting, at the end of the day exhibition fights will one day be more popular than regular fights
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November 09, 2022, 07:50:33 AM
As per WBC:

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The WBC stands firm on its previous order to not sanction any fights taking place in Russia or Belarus.

That ruling has now extended down to the fighters who hail from and proudly represent either nation.

All fighters from Russia and Belarus are being removed from the WBC rankings. The WBC will not sanction fights in those two countries and no national citizen from those two countries can compete for a WBC championship title.


https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-remove-all-boxers-from-russia-belarus-from-its-rankings-policy-exceptions-explained--170317

Well as much as we don't like politics and sports being mixed up, unfortunately, Russian boxers are now being sanctioned by WBC with few exceptions. So it will be tough being a Russian in today's boxing and this is because of the consequences of the war.
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November 09, 2022, 06:50:10 AM

Yeah I saw that one too and it's very unfortunate that Yerbossnuly was heavily punished by his opponent that has him hospitalised.
On the other hand, Morrell Jr. Is such a rising boxing superstar. The kid has the speed, power, and precision. He's for sure gonna be under everyone's radar after this devastating victory. That was such a heavy blow that even him (Morrell Jr.) knew how much damage it does to his opponent, that he was able to help Yerbossnuly get up after he collapsed after he got KO'd.

Can't wait to watch for his next fight.

A kind of fighter that fans will love to watch out, that solid win that creates noises around the web gives him a chance to make more interesting fight, if the kid will continue to established his name, he might create his resume and be a title contender. We will see if after this fight he will receive a new offer that will bring more hypes to his name.

Handlers of Morrell Jr needs to bring more entertaining fight like this, an outcome that will attract more fans to support him.

on the side of Yerbossnuly, looking forward to his fast recovery.
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November 09, 2022, 06:17:56 AM
Guys, dont forget that Artur Beterbiev is facing Anthony Yarde in 2023. This fight was originally postponed due to Beterbievs injury. Fight with Yarde, recovery and preparation period - looks like Beterbievs next fight could only happen in summer 2023. This is a very long pause for Bivol. That pause can be filled with either with Canelo (not likely) or by Joe Smith Jr. for example. Top3 in light heavy. He is also looking to recover reputation after a loss to Beterbiev and to have a rematch with Bivol. It could be a win-win solution for Smith. Bivol vs Smith could be the next fight.

After Canelo saw how Bivol made it easy against a bigger guy with probably the same power he has, he is not probably going to rematch Bivol. I think Canelo will face an easier opponent next. The WBC already inserted at number 1 an unknown Russian named Pavel Silyagin with an 11-0-5 win-loss-KO record to make it an excuse that Canelo will fight a ranked 1 opponent.

Bivol already beat Smith Jr. before and it was not even close. WBA ranked 1 (Joshua Buatsi) and 2 (Callum Smith) are also both promoted by Matchroom and are easy to set.

You forced me to google who this Pavel Silyagin is. Well, I can say that does not want this fight to happen, as it will give him (and his legacy) nothing. With all respect to Silyagin, Canelo would fight someone he has already fought, than fighting a no-name.

Or it is time for Canelo to retire Cheesy Because there are no new challenging opponents left. He has nothing to do in light heavyweight, as there will either be a super easy opponent, or to face Beterbiev, Bivol and probably lose again. Stay in middleweight - beating someone second or third time is boring. To go to a lower division - he wont be able to cut so much weight imho.
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November 09, 2022, 05:45:03 AM

If I remember it correctly, Bob Arum already agreed to a unification fight considering that Artur Beterbiev will successfully defend his title versus Anthony Yarde and as long as it won't be televised under Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing. For that case, Bob can demand because Beterbiev is on the A-side. Let's just hope that there won't be any serious issues so that we will see a unification fight next year.

That'll be good mate! obviously, they cannot take some risk by giving Canelo another chance to regain his honor instead they will go for a unification fight which really hard to get a chance to fight for that title. Canelo can wait after this one because he can take some time to heal his injury and watch this fight to get an idea of what to do next if he is given a chance for II fight with Bivol. After all this weight class is only reserved for them unless those boxers decided to go up but I think they will gonna stay until they decided to retire.
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November 09, 2022, 05:13:32 AM
^ Yes, same here, have read about this case and maybe boxing analyst says that the Yerbossnuly shouldn't take this much punishment and hopefully he can fully recovered from it. It was his corner and probably the referee as well that should have enough this fight and it shouldn't have to be this way, and probably he wouldn't take more punishments.

And for sure this what separates boxing from UFC, not saying that boxing refs are not doing their job, but they should have read the body language of the fighter and should have stop it much early as they have the control to do it. And Tony Weeks is a veteran referee, not sure why he didn't called this one up and stop the fight.
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November 09, 2022, 03:29:27 AM

Last weekend, another casualty of boxing happened. Aidos Yerbossynuly 16-1-11 KOs received heavy blows to his head before it was stopped in the last round. Praying for Aidos' fast recovery and hopefully, he won't become a PWD. David Morrell, 8-0-7 KOs is another potential Canelo Alvarez opponent as he holds the WBA regular belt.


Yeah I saw that one too and it's very unfortunate that Yerbossnuly was heavily punished by his opponent that has him hospitalised.
On the other hand, Morrell Jr. Is such a rising boxing superstar. The kid has the speed, power, and precision. He's for sure gonna be under everyone's radar after this devastating victory. That was such a heavy blow that even him (Morrell Jr.) knew how much damage it does to his opponent, that he was able to help Yerbossnuly get up after he collapsed after he got KO'd.

Can't wait to watch for his next fight.
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November 09, 2022, 03:19:55 AM
Last weekend, another casualty of boxing happened. Aidos Yerbossynuly 16-1-11 KOs received heavy blows to his head before it was stopped in the last round. Praying for Aidos' fast recovery and hopefully, he won't become a PWD. David Morrell, 8-0-7 KOs is another potential Canelo Alvarez opponent as he holds the WBA regular belt.

after reading your post, I ran to see if there was any recent news about his health status, but apparently his family is not telling his real health status, I saw some cases like these and the family when they see that the health situation is very serious, they tend to hide it so that the press and more people know, from what I've read this fight should have ended sooner, that was Ronnie Shields' opinion... maybe if the referee had ended the fight. fight earlier the situation would not have reached this serious level and they are currently hiding his actual health status to avoid bad comments, i hope i am wrong, does anyone have any current news on how he is in health? if he is not already in a coma?

Aidos Yerbossynuly is still in an induced coma mate. Maybe the operation is still not complete. Really hoping for a speedy recovery on Aidos. This is pretty sure the end of his career but hopefully, he will wake up without a disability.

It is normal that some people will look for who to blame for accidents like this. I cannot really blame anyone because this is boxing and this is not a game. Nonetheless, maybe his head coach and his team should've stopped it earlier. In the absence of his team's willingness to stop it, referee Tony Weeks should've done better like warning his team or Aidos himself or even calling the ringside doctor since it was a one-sided fight.
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November 09, 2022, 03:02:56 AM
^
Speaking of Matchroom Boxing and before the Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora fight there will be an upcoming match this coming November 26,

Whyte vs. Franklin

Saturday 11.26.2022 at 02:00 PM ET
Promotion: Matchroom Boxing
Location: Wembley, London, United Kingdom



MAIN-EVENT
Heavyweight: Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin

MAIN CARD
Heavyweight: Fabio Wardley VS Nathan Gorman
Light Heavyweight: Craig Richards VS Ricards Bolotniks
Super Lightweight: Magali Rodriguez VS Sandy Ryan

All information was from TAPOLOGY





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November 08, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
It is logical to see Bivol and Canelo rematch in the light heavyweight division.  It is the division where the contract is agreed upon and possibly the rematch clause also includes the same division contest.
I guess we will hear an update about it soon because Bivol didn't disclose any good information regarding their rematch as he's looking forward for a unification and not a rematch in any opponent he had already defeated. And if ever you guys forgot, Canelo can't fight until next year because of the injury he sustained in his wrist.

Here's an update:
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Canelo Alvarez revealed that he fought Gennadiy Golovkin with an injured left wrist and that he could be out of action until September 2023.

Canelo’s injury could delay his potential rematch with WBA light heavyweight champion Dmitry Bivol, who defeated him last May.

If Canelo needs a tune-up when he returns to the ring in 2023, his rematch with Bivol will likely be pushed back to 2024.
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It is really exciting to see Beterbiev vs. Bivol so hopefully the politics between the two camps settle down and both agree for a unification fight.
If I remember it correctly, Bob Arum already agreed to a unification fight considering that Artur Beterbiev will successfully defend his title versus Anthony Yarde and as long as it won't be televised under Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing. For that case, Bob can demand because Beterbiev is on the A-side. Let's just hope that there won't be any serious issues so that we will see a unification fight next year.
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November 08, 2022, 11:30:23 AM
Last weekend, another casualty of boxing happened. Aidos Yerbossynuly 16-1-11 KOs received heavy blows to his head before it was stopped in the last round. Praying for Aidos' fast recovery and hopefully, he won't become a PWD. David Morrell, 8-0-7 KOs is another potential Canelo Alvarez opponent as he holds the WBA regular belt.


after reading your post, I ran to see if there was any recent news about his health status, but apparently his family is not telling his real health status, I saw some cases like these and the family when they see that the health situation is very serious, they tend to hide it so that the press and more people know, from what I've read this fight should have ended sooner, that was Ronnie Shields' opinion... maybe if the referee had ended the fight. fight earlier the situation would not have reached this serious level and they are currently hiding his actual health status to avoid bad comments, i hope i am wrong, does anyone have any current news on how he is in health? if he is not already in a coma?
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November 08, 2022, 08:52:17 AM
If ever both party agreed for a rematch, I wonder which weight Division are they fighting, would it be Canelo's division? or Bivol's division?  If ever Canelo go up in weight division just to fight Bivols in his natural Division, I think we will be seeing the same result like their first fight.

I don't think that Bivol can go and fight at 168 lbs, he has been a true light heavy weight fighter in his career. So most likely if Canelo insisted at this comfortable weight, Bivol is not going to take the fight. Canelo has 2 fights already in light heavy weight so I guess there is no problem for him moving up again and rematch Bivol. Although the result might still be the same as you have said.

Aside from that, Canelo don't have any power now to insist or demand what he want like to settle and contest their rematch in 168 pounds because he is now chasing Bivol, not the other way around. Furthermore, their first encounter happened in Bivol's division, so it's still better to make it happen in light-heavyweight and just like you guys said, this isn't the first time for Canelo.
Depends on the management as well as the hype for their rematch. Money talks, as they like to say. If audiences will really push it, things might change and that includes fighters' plan. Same thing goes with rematch of other fighters or in other fighting sports; a player (often the winner) could just move on and seek for the next contender but if the result won't satisfy the fans, teams of each fighter could negotiate to feed that demand. And I believe same idea implies on choosing their next opponent especially if they are on the same weight category, or if their names happened to be on mainstream and on the same level and in some instances 'ties', on their names.

It's a money fight for sure especially if the name Canelo Alvarez is fighting, any stadium will surely be fully booked if he's fighting. And it's not about hype at all because this is a redemption fight for Canelo even if his chances is still low against the LHW champion and a rematch clause is included in their contract as well, that is why Canelo can always make it happen.

Just like with the Kambosos-Haney fight, Kambosos activated a rematch in just weeks after he was defeated in their first encounter and Haney can't do anything at all because it was included on their contract and the fact they signed it means that they agreed on all the terms.

If Canelo will push for another money fight, taking the risk of asking a rematch may be negotiated and activated but who knows he and his camp may think about it, Bivol's fighting style is superb as he can adjust just like Canelo from his original division, maybe we might hear update or we will need to wait if they will going to make this fight happen, so far Bivol may go further and challenge Beterbiev if the champ still holding the belt when they start negotiating.
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November 08, 2022, 06:34:17 AM
Guys, dont forget that Artur Beterbiev is facing Anthony Yarde in 2023. This fight was originally postponed due to Beterbievs injury. Fight with Yarde, recovery and preparation period - looks like Beterbievs next fight could only happen in summer 2023. This is a very long pause for Bivol. That pause can be filled with either with Canelo (not likely) or by Joe Smith Jr. for example. Top3 in light heavy. He is also looking to recover reputation after a loss to Beterbiev and to have a rematch with Bivol. It could be a win-win solution for Smith. Bivol vs Smith could be the next fight.

After Canelo saw how Bivol made it easy against a bigger guy with probably the same power he has, he is not probably going to rematch Bivol. I think Canelo will face an easier opponent next. The WBC already inserted at number 1 an unknown Russian named Pavel Silyagin with an 11-0-5 win-loss-KO record to make it an excuse that Canelo will fight a ranked 1 opponent.

Bivol already beat Smith Jr. before and it was not even close. WBA ranked 1 (Joshua Buatsi) and 2 (Callum Smith) are also both promoted by Matchroom and are easy to set.

Last weekend, another casualty of boxing happened. Aidos Yerbossynuly 16-1-11 KOs received heavy blows to his head before it was stopped in the last round. Praying for Aidos' fast recovery and hopefully, he won't become a PWD. David Morrell, 8-0-7 KOs is another potential Canelo Alvarez opponent as he holds the WBA regular belt.
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November 08, 2022, 05:39:02 AM
If ever both party agreed for a rematch, I wonder which weight Division are they fighting, would it be Canelo's division? or Bivol's division?  If ever Canelo go up in weight division just to fight Bivols in his natural Division, I think we will be seeing the same result like their first fight.

I don't think that Bivol can go and fight at 168 lbs, he has been a true light heavy weight fighter in his career. So most likely if Canelo insisted at this comfortable weight, Bivol is not going to take the fight. Canelo has 2 fights already in light heavy weight so I guess there is no problem for him moving up again and rematch Bivol. Although the result might still be the same as you have said.

Aside from that, Canelo don't have any power now to insist or demand what he want like to settle and contest their rematch in 168 pounds because he is now chasing Bivol, not the other way around. Furthermore, their first encounter happened in Bivol's division, so it's still better to make it happen in light-heavyweight and just like you guys said, this isn't the first time for Canelo.
Depends on the management as well as the hype for their rematch. Money talks, as they like to say. If audiences will really push it, things might change and that includes fighters' plan. Same thing goes with rematch of other fighters or in other fighting sports; a player (often the winner) could just move on and seek for the next contender but if the result won't satisfy the fans, teams of each fighter could negotiate to feed that demand. And I believe same idea implies on choosing their next opponent especially if they are on the same weight category, or if their names happened to be on mainstream and on the same level and in some instances 'ties', on their names.

It's a money fight for sure especially if the name Canelo Alvarez is fighting, any stadium will surely be fully booked if he's fighting. And it's not about hype at all because this is a redemption fight for Canelo even if his chances is still low against the LHW champion and a rematch clause is included in their contract as well, that is why Canelo can always make it happen.

Just like with the Kambosos-Haney fight, Kambosos activated a rematch in just weeks after he was defeated in their first encounter and Haney can't do anything at all because it was included on their contract and the fact they signed it means that they agreed on all the terms.
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November 08, 2022, 04:13:59 AM
Guys, dont forget that Artur Beterbiev is facing Anthony Yarde in 2023. This fight was originally postponed due to Beterbievs injury. Fight with Yarde, recovery and preparation period - looks like Beterbievs next fight could only happen in summer 2023. This is a very long pause for Bivol. That pause can be filled with either with Canelo (not likely) or by Joe Smith Jr. for example. Top3 in light heavy. He is also looking to recover reputation after a loss to Beterbiev and to have a rematch with Bivol. It could be a win-win solution for Smith. Bivol vs Smith could be the next fight.
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November 08, 2022, 02:39:39 AM

It is logical to see Bivol and Canelo rematch in the light heavyweight division.  It is the division where the contract is agreed upon and possibly the rematch clause also includes the same division contest.  It is really exciting to see Beterbiev vs. Bivol so hopefully the politics between the two camps settle down and both agree for a unification fight.

It is a surely exciting fight if that Unification matchup against both undefeated would surely commence, but sad thing is that politics have suppressed the fans from seeing this fight, for me, I really want to see Dmitry Bivol VS Artur Beterbiev for sure it will be one hell of a fight, but if it can not continue, for me Canelo Alvarez would do,

The fight between Tyson Fury and Chisora isn't that attractive.  It looks like Fury just nitpicked Chisora so that he can earn money without any high risk of losing.  If we look at Chisora's record, 12 losses  where two of them is comig from Fury, so this coming fight would possibly be the third losses of Chisora to Fury (2014-11-29 and 2011-07-23)[1].

Well, even though Derek Chisora isn't a very attractive fighter to watch against Tyson Fury, this is the only fight we have on December 3, well the only fight available, but what I want to see is a fight between Tyson Fury VS Francis Ngannou if possible, there is no thrill in watching another Deontay Wilder, or even an Anthony Joshua fight isn't really credible aswell, and Anthony Joshua doesn't want anything to do with Tyson Fury maybe he realizes that he doesn't really go to defeat Tyson Fury for sure, and staying away from him to get another lost,

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November 07, 2022, 09:05:17 PM
Well, let's say that their rematch will indeed happen in 168 lbs. and let's say that Bivol have also agreed to it. The question is, is Canelo Alvarez ready to risk his belts and the undisputed title? I don't think Canelo have the guts to risk his status now because he already know Bivol's capabilities. Remember that supermiddle and lightheavy have only 7 lbs. or 3 mere kilograms of difference. Bivol will surely take that challenge for sure if that's the case, no doubt.
Yeah, Canelo already know he's very struggling when he was fight against Bivol, he wouldn't take risk to lose all of his belts. It will depends on Bivol side, does he's really want to achieve more belts, fame or money? if he want to achieve more belts and fame, he should ask Canelo do a rematch at super middleweight division. If he want to get huge pay check, he will agree do rematch at light heavyweight division.

Personally I'd more interested to see the rematch at super middleweight division since Bivol already risk his belt before, next should be Canelo turn.
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November 07, 2022, 04:58:01 PM
But before that, the next big fight in Boxing will be on December 23, and it is the Fury vs. Chisora fight Location will be in Tottenham, London, England, I think this is an awaited event because it is Tyson Fury, and under the card was a regular Heavyweight fight the co-main Daniel Dubois VS Kevin Lerena fight with the EBU European Lightweight Title belt fight Yvan Mendy VS Denis Berinchyk fight and lastly EBU European Light Heavyweight Title belt fight Callum Johnson VS Thomas Faure, I guess there are many title fights in just one event, that is coming this December,

The fight between Tyson Fury and Chisora isn't that attractive.  It looks like Fury just nitpicked Chisora so that he can earn money without any high risk of losing.  If we look at Chisora's record, 12 losses  where two of them is comig from Fury, so this coming fight would possibly be the third losses of Chisora to Fury (2014-11-29 and 2011-07-23)[1].

Yes, it was a obvious cherry pick fight for Tyson Fury. First, he said that he wanted to fight Usyk, but Usyk said he is not available obviously, he need to his body to heal and rest and the best option for him is next year at his home country. And then he calls Joshua out, for all British Heavyweight showdown, seems they are on the negotiation table, then suddenly it went South. And then they blame each other for the failed fight. And suddenly he announced that we will have a fight with Chisora. A fighter that he already beaten twice. So it doesn't make sense for his fans, but it's a get busy fight for him, so that he will remain active come next year.
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November 07, 2022, 12:37:03 PM

Aside from that, Canelo don't have any power now to insist or demand what he want like to settle and contest their rematch in 168 pounds because he is now chasing Bivol, not the other way around. Furthermore, their first encounter happened in Bivol's division, so it's still better to make it happen in light-heavyweight and just like you guys said, this isn't the first time for Canelo.

Yup! he doesn't have any more power to do that and besides he will be thankful if Dmitry Bivol would really want to take that rematch, or if Dmitry Bivol would want to set something he's the one that can surely set it up, but he wants a Unification fight, for me Artur Beterbiev would be a hard fight for him but we will never know Artur Beterbiev is now 37 years old this fight should really happen because we will never know if when Artur Beterbiev would retire from boxing,

It is logical to see Bivol and Canelo rematch in the light heavyweight division.  It is the division where the contract is agreed upon and possibly the rematch clause also includes the same division contest.  It is really exciting to see Beterbiev vs. Bivol so hopefully the politics between the two camps settle down and both agree for a unification fight.



But before that, the next big fight in Boxing will be on December 23, and it is the Fury vs. Chisora fight Location will be in Tottenham, London, England, I think this is an awaited event because it is Tyson Fury, and under the card was a regular Heavyweight fight the co-main Daniel Dubois VS Kevin Lerena fight with the EBU European Lightweight Title belt fight Yvan Mendy VS Denis Berinchyk fight and lastly EBU European Light Heavyweight Title belt fight Callum Johnson VS Thomas Faure, I guess there are many title fights in just one event, that is coming this December,

The fight between Tyson Fury and Chisora isn't that attractive.  It looks like Fury just nitpicked Chisora so that he can earn money without any high risk of losing.  If we look at Chisora's record, 12 losses  where two of them is comig from Fury, so this coming fight would possibly be the third losses of Chisora to Fury (2014-11-29 and 2011-07-23)[1].




[1] https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/381739
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