Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 177. (Read 32585 times)

They should because they will lose their credibility if they will always be criticized by the fans. The world is watching, and some of the fans are already educated about the rules of boxing, so they cannot escape from us if they will try to rig the fight. About this specific fight, Casimero might have hit Akaho on the back of the head but they should have given him a warning and will not allow Akaho to take the drama, but since I'm just a fan, I would just share my thoughts.

Casimero, as we know him, he always put his all in each fight that he will be engaged. We all see how the fight goes and that decision from the ref and officials. We might not have that early conclusion, but with how social media works now, the chance that the decision might be changed is really possible.

If the pressures from the fans will continue and with the power of social media, the organization may step forward and review the outcome. For now, Casimero needs to wait for his camp to negotiate and find another fight.

With his performance, he's comfortable and his winning chance from this new division is high.

I don't even know what to say after watching the replay. He was given the full length to rest and yet he says he cannot fight anymore. While on the other hand, it should be Casimero who should be saying that.
Boxing management should take a closer look at this event.
Anyway, this is another disappointment for him. He had not been in a match for so long and now it ended in a no-contest fight.
How much time will it take again before he can get into another fight? I bet it will be long and clocks ticking for him as he is not getting any younger.

I agree! Why prolonged the fight if he can manage to knock out Chisora early, many are in disbelief that the referee has stopped the fight early but after seeing the whole footage and the backstage when Tyson confronts Chisora for a burger you can see the damage on Chisora's face it was swollen and you can see from that damage on Chisora's face that the referee was right all along that he halted the fight, Derek Chisora also had said that he can not enjoy the burger because his jaw hurts, and surely maybe Tyson Fury was really just chilling and pretty much just controlling the power of his punches,



It was really good news that the official is taking a review on changing the result of the fight and it was clear that it was a win for John Riel Casimero, it was a bad decision for the referee to make bad calls like that and now he is on hot water because of this fight and Ryo Akaho is getting some Criticism on the Japanese community as well that he was not the one that wins and he acted his way to victory, and team Casimero was right that they should review the footage, and many staff on the event has shown pictures and videos on their shot that it was just a scratch on Akaho's back of the head, and that is why I am furious because on how he acted his way out, many have seen Ryo Akaho's interviews that was posted on an article in japan that Akaho doesn't know if he was sitting of standing anymore, his mind was blank on what he was feeling, that means he was really hurt not because of the punch on the back of the head, but because his jaw really was hurt, this is proven many that have seen the fight and the good news is there is a huge chance that the officials will be in favor for Casimero

well, the technology doesn't lie. they can always review the recordings at all angles and see if Akaho was indeed telling the truth of being hurt or who's fault it was. this is the advantage of recordings, they can enlarge that angle and see what really happened. they should at least be fair on validating the results of this fight. we are seeing that casimero is now serious in going up with the weight division. so  let's see if there will be new updates in the coming days. or they will just be mum about the decision.

I surely agree although Lomachenko's style is unpredictable Devin Haney has proven that his undefeated record is not for show, and this fight will surely become history or a start of a rivalry, and the fight Devin Haney VS Vasiliy Lomachenko will be announced soon, I will surely wait for this fight and this fight will be fighting that many fans are really anticipating to see,


I have seen the fight and pretty much it is much controversial because of the way Ryo Akaho's late actions like he was hurt in the back of the head seem the key for Casimero in getting the win, it is a comeback fight that many of his fans were really waiting for, I really think that they have a huge chance to win when the fight was reviewed by the boxing officials, that it was not Casimero that have punched the back of the head of Akaho, but it was Akaho who did and the wrong call of the referee that it was a knockdown to Casimero was also a misjudgment of the referee, many are furious and booing on the crowd will also been heard outside the ring,

As all of us expected, Tyson Fury won while toying Chisora.  Tyson Fury is brutal, he can end the fight early to spare Chisora of more beatings, but instead he prolonged the suffering of Chisora to 10th round.  I don't think it is for the audience as other observant stated.

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Haha, it is indeed disappointing but the fight somehow sent a message that Casimero is serious on taking the belt in this division.  I give credit to Casimero for showing us that he still has that power to make his opponent give up and to Akaho for best actor.

At the end of the day, it is respect for each boxer that counts.  Let us leave this issue to the boxing officials, I heard that there is a huge chance of granting the win to Casimero if ever they decided to change the announced result.

  I think it is pretty much obvious for many here that Tyson Fury will surely win this fight, well Tyson Fury is picking fights now and easy money is his target, and yes Chisora is not a threat to Fury anymore, and the fight just go in Fury's advantage, and on the 10th round he might be so bored with the fight he decided to end it there, but if you want to watch a great fight there are many great fights under that event, but I didn't really take a bet, while the Fury VS Chisora fight has a very one-sided odds many are not really convinced about Dereck Chisora at all,

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But the event that I am most furious about was the Casimero vs. Akaho in South Korea the fight ended in a No Contest it was due to the punch on the back of the head of Akaho, but the real punch on the back of the head was when Akaho landed it to Casimero that make John Riel Casimero get down to the ground, and this makes Casimero really furious so he gives a combination of punches to Akaho and that punch that was on the back of the head, it was just a scratch on Akaho but when the Referee makes a warning about it then Ryo Akaho just complains that the back of his head hurts it was a late reaction for Akaho just to be safe from Casimero's barrage of punches,

And because of that, I have had an acting award for Ryo Akaho who surely escape a loss to Casimero because of his acting skills, The Filipino Community is really furious with the decision and with Ryo Akaho's acting Pretty much I was really frustrated and I am still mad about the result,

This is another fight, in another level because they are both great fighters and you are right, Loma might be a slight underdog here but he has a decent chance of beating an undated Haney. Loma's style is very unpredictable, his being precise will give him the win, so Haney should be careful with his style as Loma is very good in reading styles and making the right adjustment.

Just a preview for me that Loma is back his performance is not that much impacting but giving him enough time to prepare, he can excel as he knows how to adjust very well with any types of opponents that he may have, it's just unusual to most fans who expect to see more from Loma after that long absence inside the ring.

The fight against Haney might be different since there's a belt than in stake and Loma will try his best to earn the title and upset Haney.

I know that there are several factors that might explain Lomachenko's performance against Ortiz last October but we are not really that certain to pinpoint which factor that will explain his recent fight. I'm positive that ring rust might not be a factor because his inactivity is not that long because he just got a fight last December 2021 and then started preparing for his fight versus Ortiz mid August, although, there might be but not likely. I reckon it's his age because he is not that agile enough to give Ortiz some struggles, it's the experience that helped him get through the fight and had a victory.

I haven't seen the numbers on Top Rank, maybe they didn't bid at all on this fight?

In any case here are the numbers, besides the $1.2 million bid by PBC


https://bigfightweekend.com/news/marvnation-surprisingly-wins-zepeda-prograis-purse-bid/

Maybe TR just wanted to stay away from this fight, or maybe bid less than a mil because this is very hard fight to sell to the fans. So again, let's see what the numbers will look like in this fight once released. If MarvNation make money with that huge bid or not, as boxing is business.

It is really good to see a real fight than the exhibition one because there is a connotation attached whenever we heard an exhibition game as being scripted.


I agree, since we see a good recovery since the pandemic we might see more interesting fights, just look at the fight schedule this Dec.  There are lots of good matches about to happen.


I'd rather see an exhibition than a cherry-picked fight.  At least in exhibition we know that the fight isn't that serious but watching cherry picked fight is an insult to those boxers who is supposed to be qualified on that match but was avoided.

I do agree that Taylor's left over will fight against each other because of the 3 belts that he has vacated. Or maybe he has plans to move to 147 lbs as well in the future, so 140 lbs is very much open and competitive if that happen.

And as we can see, Prograis has gotten a belt already, but Taylor beat him easily.

For MarvNation, although Prograis get the money already, this could be a lesson for them to put the money in the bank after the fight before the boxer try to cash in that paycheck. And it's good the Regis has clear the issues as well so that MarvNation's name is also being cleared.

Right, at least in cherry picking your opponents, there are chances that he might hit you with what we call Hail Mary punch and knock you out. As compare to like this exhibitions fight, there is no excitement because it's going to be just an exhibition and that's why there are boxing fans who doesn't want to watch it.

But since we are back in the normal already, we have seen great fights already this calendar year and even before it ends there are still a lot of exciting fights in the horizon, like the Roman Gonzalez vs Juan Francisco Estrada trilogy.

There are many factors that will affect a boxer's performance.  I believe it is one or some of these reasons:


Ring rust - Lomachenco being idle to long can affect his first fight performance after a long vacation
Opponent boxing style - no matter how good or great the boxer is, there is always someone who can counter it regardless if  the opponent is popular or not, undefeated or full of defeats.
Opponent size advantage and reach advantage - it greatly affects how a boxer approaches his opponent, in this case, Jamaine has a 9 cm. reach advantage, which is huge especially when the boxer knows how to use this advantage.  So it is a great feat that Lomachenco won the fight despite his disadvantages.
Mind condition - I agree that the war might take some toll on Loma's mind condition, I think he needs more rest to remove the after-war effect.
Boxer's age -  this might be debatable but I think it is one of the factor too for a boxer for a diminishing great ring performance. (though I think Loma is still in his prime)

I never doubt Loma's training session, his camp is great on doing that.


I hope they come to a positive result.  Many fans long await this fight.

That's quite a lot of questions even after Lomachenko's victory vs Jamaine Ortiz, well, I understand you guys because I'm also trying to analyze what is up to Loma. Did we really set the bar too high? Or it's just Lomachenko is already old enough to be the Loma that we've known for years? I honestly don't know as well, I even thought that the questions up our head will be answered right after the fight but I guess that just lead us to a different questions.

Maybe the war has took some toll on him, that is why he is not the same Loma we've known before. I hope his fight with Haney will be discussed by both camps so that we can move on

So both fighters are lucky and probably getting a million each in their fight? or maybe 60/40 in favor of Prograis.

Nevertheless, it was good news that he got his money and I never heard of this promotional company before, and maybe they have deep pocket (in the beginning), to bid for a good price so that they can cover. But the question is, did the fight cover the expenses or at least did they get it back? That is a huge money for this kind of fight. No disrespect to both, but they have hit the lottery when MarvNation outbid their promotions, doubled what they can offer.

I haven't heard anything about Bivol though, initially he hasn't gotten his paycheck because it was put to hold because of him being a Russian citizen. Hopefully he has the money already in his win against Canelo.

I see. I did some search too because I wondered how much was Top Rank's bid. Can't find it though. But I learned that PBC also made a bid of $1.2 million. Anyways, it's a good thing both fighters received their purse. 140 will be alive and more competitive once again after Taylor vacated his 3 belts and his last 1 after his rematch with Catterall. The arrival of Teofimo Lopez and Ryan Garcia adds more flavor to this division. It says that Ramirez fights the winner but I think the former champion will pursue the WBO belt.

We might be interested back with real fight instead of discussing exhibitions, good fighter
will come up since the pandemic hits the economy but now that some recovery is showing
we might see more fights. I mean more interesting fights that will be offered to the fans,

we might be seeing cherry-picks, but better than watching charity fights that more on the moneymaking and not an actual fight that we will see real punches and close fist engagements.