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November 04, 2022, 11:59:13 AM
Bivol should get and win this fight. Canelo said that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. While Bivol says that he is ok even not fighting Alvarez next and would rather settle for a unification fight rather than chase Canelo Alvarez.

Well, it shows that Bivol have the higher hand over Ramirez but that's easier said than done because it is still a tough challenge to overcome and defeat the latter as he will surely do anything too just to get a win. Both fighters are hungry and that makes the fight more interesting, so, let's just take Canelo out of the picture for now because it's not yet sure that he will activate the rematch and this fight is all about Ramirez and Bivol.
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November 03, 2022, 06:30:39 PM

It's a good opportunity for the 2 Filipinos although they are expected to lose against their opponents. I'm starting to like the Abu Dhabi contact sports commission. They seemed to demand more fair fights from various organizations and promoters like the UFC 280. These 2 Filipinos are expected to lose but they aren't really that hopeless since Khalid Yafai is inactive after losing his world title and local Majid Al-Naqbi is inexperienced.

I stopped tracking Campbell Hatton after getting a gift decision in the UK. Although I understand that gifts aren't hereditary.

That is good to hear that they really want fair fights and will not tolerate fixed or rigged, well, for me that is good to hear to see some officials doing what they can to make this fight a clean one, and about the 2 Filipinos, I also thought that they might lose to their opponent but we can never know until the fight is over, and they could also get an upset win, right? while Campbell Hatton in my opinion right now he is racking up wins and it is really a good thing that he doesn't have any losses yet, but just like his father when he rack up losses, he might have a different attitude with things, but we may never know,


Oh ok, and that is more familiar to me, and I thought that he is related to Ricky but didn't know that is the son. Too early to say, usually the son doesn't have what their father has.

Bivol should get and win this fight. Canelo said that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. While Bivol says that he is ok even not fighting Alvarez next and would rather settle for a unification fight rather than chase Canelo Alvarez.

Or the Son has that the Father hasn't, but actually, this is the 1st time seeing Campbell Hatton in action I really didn't watch his recent fight yet but will do so, but right now seeing his record he has 2 knockout wins, and 6 PTS or point decision, wins all is good but we will never surely know in the future,

Well a unification fight would be great for him, but if they would go for a rematch with Canelo Alvarez I am OK with that aswell, but for now, Bivol should really get the win first and I think he can surely get this,
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November 03, 2022, 12:14:33 PM
Every time any of the Paul brothers will have a match, most of those matches are favorable to them. We don't know if that's part of the contract or script that has been made.
But with money that they're including to it for those fighters to agree on their matches, they're paid well and this match is nothing to them but just a free lunch and quick part time job.
No, people are only rooting for Jake Paul, not Logan Paul. This because Jake Paul have a clean record and undefeated, while Logan Paul already lose against KSI on the professional record, not win against Mayweather on the exhibition fight and draw against KSI on the amateur fight. If Logan Paul will have another fight, I believe he will become underdog since most people will think he will lose or draw.

As long as Jake Paul is fight against unexperienced boxer, old people or coach, Jake Paul will win 100% lol.

Forget about his older brother Logan Paul because he doesn't suit well in the world of boxing as he puts the money first before the entertainment and it's clear enough that he is just after the money that is why Floyd Mayweather accepted his challenge because Floyd knows that it will benefit him well as Logan here has a huge fan base and he took that advantage. But Jake here is somehow different from Logan, currently he is just struggling to fight with real boxers as couldn't find a perfect match yet in heavyweight that is why he is left to fight with the retired fighters from UFC, but I don't doubt that Jake's day will come soon.
The keyword is 'they have a huge fan based'. So that is enough for boxers like Floyd or any ex-boxer or ex-MMA to have a fight with either brother because they can put fans in the arena and watch their PPV, in short they are the cash cow now of exhibitions matches.

And as long as they are winning and making tons of money, regardless of what division Jake Paul with fight, cw to hw, he will always find a dance partner to make easy money for both of them (just like what Anderson Silva did).

That is certainly true, that's the kind of advantage these brothers have that's why they can challenge almost every one in this planet that will give them more fame. But I have this theory though on why Floyd Mayweather Jr. only fought Logan and not Jake, he probably know that among the Paul brothers, Logan is much easier than the younger brother who is a heavy hitter. Mayweather's chance with Logan is quite high but when it comes to Jake Paul, I think it will be an interesting fight as Jake have a fair chance, I believe.
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November 03, 2022, 07:37:30 AM
^^ Good to hear that Filipino boxers are going to be included in this fight.

But as far as the undercard, I'm not familiar with the majority of the names. But who knows, the future is already in some of this boxers.

And with that, I guess everyone is looking for the main card between Bivol and Ramirez. Odds still favour Bivol the last time I checked so maybe gamblers will go and bet on him, whether decision or knockout win.

It is a good thing that Filipino boxers are doing something even though they already have losses they still keep on pursuing what they want to do and I think if they will not lose hope they can eventually get it, while just like you I really don't know most of the fighters in here and I have low knowledge about the two Filipino boxers aswell, Dmitry Bivol is 1 superb fighter that I want to see the fight, even the son of former boxer Ricky Hatton, Campbell Hatton I want to see if he has his dad's tenacity inside the ring or not, and likely I will surely look for this fights if they are worthy to take an interest in,

And surely Dmitry Bivol will not be going to let us down and win this what is next for Dmitry Bivol, is it another Canelo Álvarez fight or will he take a new challenge for him,

Oh ok, and that is more familiar to me, and I thought that he is related to Ricky but didn't know that is the son. Too early to say, usually the son doesn't have what their father has.

Bivol should get and win this fight. Canelo said that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. While Bivol says that he is ok even not fighting Alvarez next and would rather settle for a unification fight rather than chase Canelo Alvarez.
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November 03, 2022, 06:17:53 AM
^^ Good to hear that Filipino boxers are going to be included in this fight.

But as far as the undercard, I'm not familiar with the majority of the names. But who knows, the future is already in some of this boxers.

And with that, I guess everyone is looking for the main card between Bivol and Ramirez. Odds still favour Bivol the last time I checked so maybe gamblers will go and bet on him, whether decision or knockout win.

It is a good thing that Filipino boxers are doing something even though they already have losses they still keep on pursuing what they want to do and I think if they will not lose hope they can eventually get it, while just like you I really don't know most of the fighters in here and I have low knowledge about the two Filipino boxers aswell, Dmitry Bivol is 1 superb fighter that I want to see the fight, even the son of former boxer Ricky Hatton, Campbell Hatton I want to see if he has his dad's tenacity inside the ring or not, and likely I will surely look for this fights if they are worthy to take an interest in,

And surely Dmitry Bivol will not be going to let us down and win this what is next for Dmitry Bivol, is it another Canelo Álvarez fight or will he take a new challenge for him,

It's a good opportunity for the 2 Filipinos although they are expected to lose against their opponents. I'm starting to like the Abu Dhabi contact sports commission. They seemed to demand more fair fights from various organizations and promoters like the UFC 280. These 2 Filipinos are expected to lose but they aren't really that hopeless since Khalid Yafai is inactive after losing his world title and local Majid Al-Naqbi is inexperienced.

I stopped tracking Campbell Hatton after getting a gift decision in the UK. Although I understand that gifts aren't hereditary.
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November 03, 2022, 02:31:34 AM
^^ Good to hear that Filipino boxers are going to be included in this fight.

But as far as the undercard, I'm not familiar with the majority of the names. But who knows, the future is already in some of this boxers.

And with that, I guess everyone is looking for the main card between Bivol and Ramirez. Odds still favour Bivol the last time I checked so maybe gamblers will go and bet on him, whether decision or knockout win.

It is a good thing that Filipino boxers are doing something even though they already have losses they still keep on pursuing what they want to do and I think if they will not lose hope they can eventually get it, while just like you I really don't know most of the fighters in here and I have low knowledge about the two Filipino boxers aswell, Dmitry Bivol is 1 superb fighter that I want to see the fight, even the son of former boxer Ricky Hatton, Campbell Hatton I want to see if he has his dad's tenacity inside the ring or not, and likely I will surely look for this fights if they are worthy to take an interest in,

And surely Dmitry Bivol will not be going to let us down and win this what is next for Dmitry Bivol, is it another Canelo Álvarez fight or will he take a new challenge for him,
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November 02, 2022, 07:46:46 PM
^^ Good to hear that Filipino boxers are going to be included in this fight.

But as far as the undercard, I'm not familiar with the majority of the names. But who knows, the future is already in some of this boxers.

And with that, I guess everyone is looking for the main card between Bivol and Ramirez. Odds still favour Bivol the last time I checked so maybe gamblers will go and bet on him, whether decision or knockout win.
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November 02, 2022, 06:52:48 PM
Dmitry Bivol is having his match this November 3 and no one is making any discussion about it, we will be having 2 Pinoy boxers Jerald Paclar and John Ordonio, and the son of Ricky Hatton, Campbell Hatton will fight in one of the Preliminary cards here is the event information

Bivol vs. Ramirez: Champion Series

Saturday 11.05.2022
Venue: Etihad Arena
Location: Dubai, United Arab Emirates



MAIN EVENT

Dmitry Bivol VS Zurdo Ramirez

MAIN CARD

Chantelle Cameron VS Jessica McCaskill
Shavkatdzhon Rakhimov VS Zelfa Barrett
Galal Yafai VS Gohan Rodriguez
Khalid Yafai VS Jerald Paclar
Aqib Fiaz VS Diego Valtierra

PRELIMINARY CARD

Campbell Hatton VS Denis Bartos
Majid Al-Naqbi VS John Ordonio

All information was from TAPOLOGY
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November 02, 2022, 04:32:02 AM
Right, Manny is also showing his interest with exhibition and I will not be surprised if one of the Paul Bro will use that fame to call for Manny inside the ring. Money will speak eventually, so let's wait for it.

Nah. the Paul brothers know and understand the business. They know that Manny Pacquiao can still fight dangerously.

They won't risks challenging him as that will result in their 1st loss.

But since it's an exhibition, maybe there will be some script but I doubt Manny will follow the terms about allowing them to win.

Depends though, what kind of contract they are going to sit down and talk and probably what rules, are there judges or will it be a complete exhibition fight with no winners. On the other hard, Jake Paul had a good fight with Anderson and they have judges to score the fight.

But the main thing here is that Manny is too small, his fighting weight is around 147 lbs, while Jake Paul is fighting on Cruiserweight so that is a big disparity as well.

And as you have pointed out, they are in the business of it, so they won't risk having his 1st loss as the hype train might derailed by Manny Pacquiao.

Maybe yes or maybe you are right, they won't be risking the hype right away. Challenging Pacquiao might ruin the hype of his name since even he's that big, but Pacquiao's quickness can put him down. But scripts always depend on how they will discuss the deal. If the price is right, maybe it will speak more than anything.

Knowing it's Pacquiao and the wide audiences that he has or I mean the network that he has from this sport.

Paul can take that and hype it to bring them together inside the ring.
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November 02, 2022, 04:15:20 AM
Every time any of the Paul brothers will have a match, most of those matches are favorable to them. We don't know if that's part of the contract or script that has been made.
But with money that they're including to it for those fighters to agree on their matches, they're paid well and this match is nothing to them but just a free lunch and quick part time job.
No, people are only rooting for Jake Paul, not Logan Paul. This because Jake Paul have a clean record and undefeated, while Logan Paul already lose against KSI on the professional record, not win against Mayweather on the exhibition fight and draw against KSI on the amateur fight. If Logan Paul will have another fight, I believe he will become underdog since most people will think he will lose or draw.

As long as Jake Paul is fight against unexperienced boxer, old people or coach, Jake Paul will win 100% lol.

Forget about his older brother Logan Paul because he doesn't suit well in the world of boxing as he puts the money first before the entertainment and it's clear enough that he is just after the money that is why Floyd Mayweather accepted his challenge because Floyd knows that it will benefit him well as Logan here has a huge fan base and he took that advantage. But Jake here is somehow different from Logan, currently he is just struggling to fight with real boxers as couldn't find a perfect match yet in heavyweight that is why he is left to fight with the retired fighters from UFC, but I don't doubt that Jake's day will come soon.
The keyword is 'they have a huge fan based'. So that is enough for boxers like Floyd or any ex-boxer or ex-MMA to have a fight with either brother because they can put fans in the arena and watch their PPV, in short they are the cash cow now of exhibitions matches.

And as long as they are winning and making tons of money, regardless of what division Jake Paul with fight, cw to hw, he will always find a dance partner to make easy money for both of them (just like what Anderson Silva did).
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November 01, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
Every time any of the Paul brothers will have a match, most of those matches are favorable to them. We don't know if that's part of the contract or script that has been made.
But with money that they're including to it for those fighters to agree on their matches, they're paid well and this match is nothing to them but just a free lunch and quick part time job.
No, people are only rooting for Jake Paul, not Logan Paul. This because Jake Paul have a clean record and undefeated, while Logan Paul already lose against KSI on the professional record, not win against Mayweather on the exhibition fight and draw against KSI on the amateur fight. If Logan Paul will have another fight, I believe he will become underdog since most people will think he will lose or draw.

As long as Jake Paul is fight against unexperienced boxer, old people or coach, Jake Paul will win 100% lol.

Forget about his older brother Logan Paul because he doesn't suit well in the world of boxing as he puts the money first before the entertainment and it's clear enough that he is just after the money that is why Floyd Mayweather accepted his challenge because Floyd knows that it will benefit him well as Logan here has a huge fan base and he took that advantage. But Jake here is somehow different from Logan, currently he is just struggling to fight with real boxers as couldn't find a perfect match yet in heavyweight that is why he is left to fight with the retired fighters from UFC, but I don't doubt that Jake's day will come soon.
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November 01, 2022, 09:11:54 AM
I have no problem with creating a thread like this, but for me, I want a dedicated discussion on a particular boxing match so we can dwell on the strength and weaknesses of each fighter and give hints or tips for those who like to bet on that particular fight, the flow of discussion will always be on-topic about one particular match.
I don't also buy the idea of using just a single thrend for boxing  because, I would prefer to see discussion about a particular match and fighters addressed and tackled seperately, so one can truly know in expectations what a match would be.
On the other hand, it is nice as attention wouldn't be channed on just a single match as other matches wuld be discusssed and one could possibly get hints about the matches.
There are just too many matches out there and it might fill the gambling discussion thread with full of boxing matches.
I think this thread just serves as an update if there will be a fight somewhere. Pick your own poison type of discussion then reply to those you like only.
Nah. the Paul brothers know and understand the business. They know that Manny Pacquiao can still fight dangerously.

They won't risks challenging him as that will result in their 1st loss.

But since it's an exhibition, maybe there will be some script but I doubt Manny will follow the terms about allowing them to win.
I doubt that too. Enough of this matches that would ruin the names of known boxers. A lot of kids are looking up to them and they don't want their hero's name to be ruined just because of an exhibition match. What if something wrong will happen while they are fighting for entertainment purpose?


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November 01, 2022, 08:14:07 AM

Nah. the Paul brothers know and understand the business. They know that Manny Pacquiao can still fight dangerously.

They won't risks challenging him as that will result in their 1st loss.

But since it's an exhibition, maybe there will be some script but I doubt Manny will follow the terms about allowing them to win.

Agree! I doubt Manny Pacquiao will agree in getting a scripted fight that Mayweather would surely want because Floyd Mayweather would just be after the money, while Manny Pacquiao is still after the honor, and the principle of why he was fighting inside the ring, even though he can surely get a large sum of money from this, I think he doesn't want to be in a bad position and have a bad reputation to the public, because at the end of the day he is still a politician after all,


Depends though, what kind of contract they are going to sit down and talk and probably what rules, are there judges or will it be a complete exhibition fight with no winners. On the other hard, Jake Paul had a good fight with Anderson and they have judges to score the fight.

But the main thing here is that Manny is too small, his fighting weight is around 147 lbs, while Jake Paul is fighting on Cruiserweight so that is a big disparity as well.

And as you have pointed out, they are in the business of it, so they won't risk having his 1st loss as the hype train might derailed by Manny Pacquiao.

Yup! it will surely depend on what kind of rule they want to have, in the Logan Paul VS Floyd Mayweather fight it was non-scored, but if they agreed on a scored fight I think they can easily provide judges to score the fight, like In all Jake Paul fights it was all Scored meaning there are included judges, well it will depend on the fighters on what kind of Exhibition match they would want,
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November 01, 2022, 04:52:34 AM
Right, Manny is also showing his interest with exhibition and I will not be surprised if one of the Paul Bro will use that fame to call for Manny inside the ring. Money will speak eventually, so let's wait for it.

Nah. the Paul brothers know and understand the business. They know that Manny Pacquiao can still fight dangerously.

They won't risks challenging him as that will result in their 1st loss.

But since it's an exhibition, maybe there will be some script but I doubt Manny will follow the terms about allowing them to win.

Depends though, what kind of contract they are going to sit down and talk and probably what rules, are there judges or will it be a complete exhibition fight with no winners. On the other hard, Jake Paul had a good fight with Anderson and they have judges to score the fight.

But the main thing here is that Manny is too small, his fighting weight is around 147 lbs, while Jake Paul is fighting on Cruiserweight so that is a big disparity as well.

And as you have pointed out, they are in the business of it, so they won't risk having his 1st loss as the hype train might derailed by Manny Pacquiao.
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Nah. the Paul brothers know and understand the business. They know that Manny Pacquiao can still fight dangerously.

They won't risks challenging him as that will result in their 1st loss.

But since it's an exhibition, maybe there will be some script but I doubt Manny will follow the terms about allowing them to win.
Most of the exhibition fight are doesn't have any judges, so in order to win one of them need to knock out their opponent. I think Manny will accept to fight like this rule, if both of them can't knock out their opponent, the fight will not scored, it's not a draw too. This will become a win-win situation for both of them, also it's not possible for Manny Pacquiao fight with Jake Paul on the professional record. Pacquiao is currently at Welterweight division which is 147 pounds while Jake Paul is currently at Light heavyweight division which is 175 pounds.
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October 31, 2022, 06:53:18 PM
Right, Manny is also showing his interest with exhibition and I will not be surprised if one of the Paul Bro will use that fame to call for Manny inside the ring. Money will speak eventually, so let's wait for it.

Nah. the Paul brothers know and understand the business. They know that Manny Pacquiao can still fight dangerously.

They won't risks challenging him as that will result in their 1st loss.

But since it's an exhibition, maybe there will be some script but I doubt Manny will follow the terms about allowing them to win.
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Yeah! It's weird but they making lots of money here due to the demand of the crowd which is increasing every new fight. What I mean by that, is they are inviting new audience whenever there is a new fight. That's why we see more veterans boxers are doing the same thing right now. Just look at Manny Pacquiao, who is he fighting now?

For me, it's kind of weird at 1st, seeing a retired boxer taking a Youtuber isn't weird enough, but after seeing so many Exhibition matches that some are good enough and what is the purpose of it for a retired boxer, and maybe the logging for them that missing while fighting inside the ring, I kind of understand it all, but making fixed and sometimes the weird part is what some people are loving to see, but surely not all have the same taste, but there are surely just targeted consumers that want to watch something like that,


I feel the same and surviving 8 solid rounds with an aggressive opponent will really give him that tough and exhaust feelings, the fighter mentality was there but it might be the body language who can't follow what his mind is directing, age and reflex affects him during the fight as per my own take on this fight.


Well, right now Anderson Silva is way past his prime days, but taking on Jake Paul would surely be required a lot of endurance and he never failed in providing it for us, but the speed and power were not there anymore, but knowing Silva as an MMA fighter he still has the usual clinch to evade Paul on the corner, to take the barrage punch of Jake Paul, I think this is very notable for Silva in using some of his advantages, but it was not really enough against Jake Paul,

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Yeah! It's weird but they making lots of money here due to the demand of the crowd which is increasing every new fight. What I mean by that, is they are inviting new audience whenever there is a new fight. That's why we see more veterans boxers are doing the same thing right now. Just look at Manny Pacquiao, who is he fighting now?

One reason is, there are people who didn't able to witness some of the popular boxers before during their active days that's why exhibition matches are the only way for these people to see again these Legends fighting in the ring regardless of the event or how sh*t the reason is why that fight was held.

Referring to Jake Paul, he can really make decent money on his future fights because there are people who want to witness his 1st lose not realizing they are just contributing to the revenue of that said match. He can still save his legacy though by fighting a caliber real boxer on his level.
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Every time any of the Paul brothers will have a match, most of those matches are favorable to them. We don't know if that's part of the contract or script that has been made.
But with money that they're including to it for those fighters to agree on their matches, they're paid well and this match is nothing to them but just a free lunch and quick part time job.
No, people are only rooting for Jake Paul, not Logan Paul. This because Jake Paul have a clean record and undefeated, while Logan Paul already lose against KSI on the professional record, not win against Mayweather on the exhibition fight and draw against KSI on the amateur fight. If Logan Paul will have another fight, I believe he will become underdog since most people will think he will lose or draw.

As long as Jake Paul is fight against unexperienced boxer, old people or coach, Jake Paul will win 100% lol.
Hype will always be there for these brothers and that's why easy money on them on this recent one against Silva, I've seen somewhere that the split of money is like 65/35 and 65 was for Jake and 35 for Silva. This is the type of boxing that they want, to challenge those unreal boxers but professionals in other fighting sports.

But with money that they're including to it for those fighters to agree on their matches, they're paid well and this match is nothing to them but just a free lunch and quick part time job.

I agree with you, these exhibition fights are making money for the fighters, organizers and many people involved in the organization of the event, and as they don't even fight seriously it becomes easy money that everyone is earning, even fighters who are already old and who should retire are still in the exhibition fights, one day we will still see 60 year old guys fighting in these exhibition fights and worse we will see these 60 year old guys fighting and getting sick with back pain
That will happen for sure, when retire fighters that don't have money to make. They will invite them for such fights and exhibitions and offer them decent money just for that day and sure no one will decline on that when you need money.
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October 31, 2022, 01:04:59 PM

I also observe that, knowing Silva from UFC he is more on defense and will counter back once he see good opportunity, but today he don't have that same strategy or barrowing your words, he is not on his self I guess.

Yes, He isn't the usual Silva, in my opinion, he was fighting but in a manner where he is not himself, watching the fight surely crashed my heart, I'd never imagined Silva in this state surely he is 47 years old now and this is surely the ring rust that everyone is talking about and for Anderson Silva, it really hit him very very hard,


I feel the same and surviving 8 solid rounds with an aggressive opponent will really give him that tough and exhaust feelings, the fighter mentality was there but it might be the body language who can't follow what his mind is directing, age and reflex affects him during the fight as per my own take on this fight.

Addition to that, as long as Jake Paul and his camp initiate the exhibition his chance of winning is high, though I go with your point it's Jake Paul who set it up favorable to him but in terms of making money, both are good in picking the fighters to fight with, they keep sucking fans money from the ticket sales and viewers, there's no stopping as they really assessing the potential before calling or scheduling the fight.

Well setup and in returned they will get a decent amount of paychecks.

Yeah! It's weird but they making lots of money here due to the demand of the crowd which is increasing every new fight. What I mean by that, is they are inviting new audience whenever there is a new fight. That's why we see more veterans boxers are doing the same thing right now. Just look at Manny Pacquiao, who is he fighting now?

Right, Manny is also showing his interest with exhibition and I will not be surprised if one of the Paul Bro will use that fame to call for Manny inside the ring. Money will speak eventually, so let's wait for it.
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