Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 191. (Read 31605 times)
Why no one discussing (or havent made a topic) about Deontay Wilder vs Robert Helenius fight ? Only 3 days left. Is it because Tyson Fury has destroyed Wilder reputation after beating him twice, and people have completely forgot about this knockout artist ? There were so many knockout compilations on YouTube, and now, in two years, he is forgotten. Helenius is not a biggest boxing superstar, but 31-3 record should be taken into consideration. He is not a trashy punching bag?
I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.
It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.
I think Mike Tyson knows that, he is really getting old and so with the recent both on the hospital, for sure he will have to refocus first on his health and recover in the next couple of months instead of thinking about a potential exhibition fights.
So we will see and just like the rest of you guys, we love to see Mike Tyson in the ring again, but we will have to wait.
It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.
He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.
Iron Mike needs to take care of his health and focus on how he can recover from this health issue,
no need to think about any possible exhibitions fight it won't help.
If he can gain back his health condition, instead of any exhibition fight, it's better to take chances with
acting career if there's any potential offers.
For now, I'm looking to hear great news about his fast recoveries and a normal healthy lifestyle. More on
personal help and not to overthink of his comeback inside the ring.
The commission or organizations of boxing will just have a few words of condolences and a portion of financial help then that's it. Not everyone has to stop what they do because someone has gone through a tragic way of death. It's not just a few but many already and yet, the sport keeps on moving and any athlete that has chosen this path understands that this is the risk that they will take and the consequence that might occur could be tragic for them and for their family.
Well, I really get it that they really can't do a thing about the deaths in boxing and it is really hard to prevent it because combat sports are pretty much really risky, well I just really want to prevent most of the deaths but surely it can not be prevented, and I think it is time to leave it this way because nobody wants a change,
Because his chances are not the same anymore just like his power, speed and defense maneuvers. He cannot hide that fact that he is already old even if he's still fight in exhibitions, he will have the ring rust effect if he will choose to deal with the likes of Pacquiao nowadays, a May-Pac fight is profitable but knowing Mayweather, he doesn't want to get embarrassed from being defeated.
He doesn't really taste defeated ever since so what do you think he would feel if he gets defeated by Manny Pacquaio, or any boxer there is or should I say a Youtuber or an MMA fighter defeating Mayweather that level of embarrassment he would feel, because he hasn't experienced it at all, so experiencing it now could be a different effect for him, I'd say I'd really like to see that he gets embarrassed by a non-boxer inside the ring and the sports that he loves so much, I really want to see his reaction, and what would he feel,
The commission or organizations of boxing will just have a few words of condolences and a portion of financial help then that's it. Not everyone has to stop what they do because someone has gone through a tragic way of death. It's not just a few but many already and yet, the sport keeps on moving and any athlete that has chosen this path understands that this is the risk that they will take and the consequence that might occur could be tragic for them and for their family.
Well, I really get it that they really can't do a thing about the deaths in boxing and it is really hard to prevent it because combat sports are pretty much really risky, well I just really want to prevent most of the deaths but surely it can not be prevented, and I think it is time to leave it this way because nobody wants a change,
I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.
It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.
Iron Mike needs to take care of his health and focus on how he can recover from this health issue,
no need to think about any possible exhibitions fight it won't help.
If he can gain back his health condition, instead of any exhibition fight, it's better to take chances with
acting career if there's any potential offers.
For now, I'm looking to hear great news about his fast recoveries and a normal healthy lifestyle. More on
personal help and not to overthink of his comeback inside the ring.
I hope he quick recovery back and goes to the exhibition fight as the planing. I heard Tyson Fury was also interested to meet him but the problem is the age between them is too far. if happens, seems like an unfair fight, and Mike possibly lost in 1st round. Many observers say he doesn't need to continue fighting and is better to continue to explore as a Hollywood actor.
It's better that he'll just focus on regaining his health rather than thinking of that exhibition match that he can just pass on to other interesting fights.He just can pass on it and don't have to think of it anymore because that will affect his mental health and could also affect his recovery period. No need to think of anything else aside from healing at the moment. He's now in his golden age and even though he might say that he's still good and can have a fight after recovering, it's better to have himself on set and do something else.
I haven't seen this discussed but I was waiting for this fight this weekend until it got postponed:
Eubank Jr. vs Benn boxing bout canceled due to drug test failure
Former IBO boxing champion Chris Eubank Jr. was set for a generational grudge match against Conor Benn on Saturday October 8th, but the fight has been scrapped at the last minute.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/10/7/23393236/boxing-drug-test-scandal-conor-benn-vs-chris-eubank-jr-cancelled-fight-news
Unfortunately, this legacy fight is cancelled because Eubank jr has been tested positive for a ban substance. And so the BBBoC has to issue and order stopping the fight. Although Matchroom and Eddie Hearn thinks that they will go and continue to his fight as unsanctioned, they just decided to postponed it for now.
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Eubank Jr. vs Benn boxing bout canceled due to drug test failure
Former IBO boxing champion Chris Eubank Jr. was set for a generational grudge match against Conor Benn on Saturday October 8th, but the fight has been scrapped at the last minute.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/10/7/23393236/boxing-drug-test-scandal-conor-benn-vs-chris-eubank-jr-cancelled-fight-news
Unfortunately, this legacy fight is cancelled because Eubank jr has been tested positive for a ban substance. And so the BBBoC has to issue and order stopping the fight. Although Matchroom and Eddie Hearn thinks that they will go and continue to his fight as unsanctioned, they just decided to postponed it for now.
I am actually glad that his fight had been canceled. I'm glad Hearn and DAZN didn't force this event to go through. I think Connor has a lot of confidence and guts but he is too small for the former super-middleweight contender. Another thing is the wide difference when it comes to experience. Chris failed to become a legit world champion but he got too much world-class experience while Connor is only an unproven prospect. Their catchweight was 157 which is only 3 pounds south of Chris' weight while 10 pounds above Connor's.
And a little correction mate. It was Connor Benn who got caught with an illegal substance in his body.
I heard Mike Tyson is seriously ill, he can't walk and is only in a wheelchair, is this true?
I'm not aware of it though, but if this is true, then this is a sad news.You seen the latest footage of Mike Tyson training? Good lord… I don’t want to see him fight again because I don’t want him to risk getting hurt, but there is no way that Jake Paul could handle Mike Tyson at 57 years old. I wouldn’t want any part of a fight with this guy. He looks terrifying. I wouldn’t even want to be in his trainer’s position…
https://twitter.com/galactic_trader/status/1579396325870821376
https://twitter.com/galactic_trader/status/1579396325870821376
Even though he didn't suffer an injury, I don't think that Mike Tyson is still fit to fight even in an exhibition match.
People should now accept the fact that they can't see the legend now doing some actual fight.
He's now part of the boxing history and just let him rest for good away from the gloves.
It was an unlucky moment for him. No one thought that he'll be ending his career and life like that because his family thinks that he's got the potential to be something big in the future.
But that's no longer a thing anymore because he's not with us anymore and there's no way to stop these sudden unintended deaths by those blows whether it's from sparring or actual pro/amateur fight.
But that's no longer a thing anymore because he's not with us anymore and there's no way to stop these sudden unintended deaths by those blows whether it's from sparring or actual pro/amateur fight.
We can say that every death in boxing is very tragic, but can we just say something like that without having to do something about it, let's put ourselves in the shoes of their families and relatives surely you would be hurt if a loved one would die from boxing right, Is it just like that we just move on because someone passed away from boxing, do we just settle with remorse from the commission of boxing and be done with it, or we just wait for boxing to be banned because those deaths are getting higher and higher,
You seen the latest footage of Mike Tyson training? Good lord… I don’t want to see him fight again because I don’t want him to risk getting hurt, but there is no way that Jake Paul could handle Mike Tyson at 57 years old. I wouldn’t want any part of a fight with this guy. He looks terrifying. I wouldn’t even want to be in his trainer’s position…
https://twitter.com/galactic_trader/status/1579396325870821376
https://twitter.com/galactic_trader/status/1579396325870821376
but i believe his sciatica, a nerve condition is a dangerous one if this one kicks in while inside the ring and the opponent doesn't know he's already experiencing it. so for me, even exhibition fights, tyson should already let go. better enjoy his remaining years without not much problem in terms of health. that sciatica condition was the reason why he was seen using a wheelchair and a walking stick. but if he doesn't have this condition, i can say, he can easily beat Jake Paul even with the age gap.
I haven't seen this discussed but I was waiting for this fight this weekend until it got postponed:
Eubank Jr. vs Benn boxing bout canceled due to drug test failure
Former IBO boxing champion Chris Eubank Jr. was set for a generational grudge match against Conor Benn on Saturday October 8th, but the fight has been scrapped at the last minute.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/10/7/23393236/boxing-drug-test-scandal-conor-benn-vs-chris-eubank-jr-cancelled-fight-news
Unfortunately, this legacy fight is cancelled because Eubank jr has been tested positive for a ban substance. And so the BBBoC has to issue and order stopping the fight. Although Matchroom and Eddie Hearn thinks that they will go and continue to his fight as unsanctioned, they just decided to postponed it for now.
Quote
Eubank Jr. vs Benn boxing bout canceled due to drug test failure
Former IBO boxing champion Chris Eubank Jr. was set for a generational grudge match against Conor Benn on Saturday October 8th, but the fight has been scrapped at the last minute.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/10/7/23393236/boxing-drug-test-scandal-conor-benn-vs-chris-eubank-jr-cancelled-fight-news
Unfortunately, this legacy fight is cancelled because Eubank jr has been tested positive for a ban substance. And so the BBBoC has to issue and order stopping the fight. Although Matchroom and Eddie Hearn thinks that they will go and continue to his fight as unsanctioned, they just decided to postponed it for now.
You seen the latest footage of Mike Tyson training? Good lord… I don’t want to see him fight again because I don’t want him to risk getting hurt, but there is no way that Jake Paul could handle Mike Tyson at 57 years old. I wouldn’t want any part of a fight with this guy. He looks terrifying. I wouldn’t even want to be in his trainer’s position…
https://twitter.com/galactic_trader/status/1579396325870821376
https://twitter.com/galactic_trader/status/1579396325870821376
He is just trying to take advantage of the opportunity while he's still famous and known because sooner or later, he will be forgotten and become an old news even if he got an undefeated record during his professional days. And now that he said that he's already done fighting a true fighter, I expect that he won't be fighting McGregor as well because if he accept that fight and rejected the idea to have an exhibition fight with Pacquiao, I will be convinced that he's just trying to duck the Filipino legend, AGAIN!
Yes, and look what he has gotten him in taking advantage of a Youtuber/boxer or an MMA/boxer to fight him in a boxing rule fight, he will surely win the fight, and the purposed of it was just money and entertaining himself, Well he will not surely take a boxer to fight him anymore so that Manny Pacquiao fight is really out of the picture,
And I don't even know why his fights are still a must watch to anybody out there, it's not that entertaining and exciting anymore because he is just fighting amateur fighters that is way out of his league and even before he said that he won't accept any fights against any boxer that is near his caliber, we already know that he won't agree to any fights where his chances to win are not guaranteed.
And we have this rumor that he'll fight with McGregor again, what does that mean? It's seems to me that he's just afraid to face the legendary boxer once again even if it's just an exhibition fight.
To my perspectives, he is afraid facing Pacquiao as he knows that even it's just an exhibition Manny will take it seriously and the winning chance for him is slim, and aside from that, fighting Pacquiao he needs to train hard in order to make sure that his body is well prepared, The Pinoy legends always put pride once he steps inside the ring.
Mayweather, on the other hand, he's more on the money and he wanted to have an easier and surer fight to accept.
Plus the money that what will move Mayweather, nothing but all is for the money.
I share the same opinion, he suddenly said that he won't be fighting anymore in such fighter in the same caliber when the fans are hyping for a second dance between the two of them. Before that hype, there was even a rumor that Mayweather and McGregor is working for a second bout, but when it comes to Pacquiao his tone suddenly changed. Well, that action he made was more than enough reason to believe that he is still afraid of Pacquiao until this day.
I think there are fight that is being sanction for 10 rounds, specially young prospects like 10 fights or less. But as far as the gloves goes, I remember Manny loving the Cleto gloves or it is Reyes gloves, both weight but the difference is that one is a puncher gloves and then the others to protect the hands or something like that.
So I guess the boxing organizations really done everything to protect the fighters in a brutal knockout, but inevitable that they really punch so hard that it can damage their opponent for good.
Well, certainly the gloves thing is something additional, for us it is more exciting that they have light gloves, because the speed of the blows is much greater, and if we could talk about great things that would make boxing bigger and with more options to have emotions in the fans, if they change the gloves to be lighter I think it would attract more people, but the bad thing is that blows like that, it's like you say, would cause permanent damage to the person, however I know what that is, because in part when it comes to boxing those gloves are somewhat softer that they don't hurt, in Hapkido the gloves are softer, and I know that sometimes they do do some damage.
I saw it before, they weigh the boxers boxing gloves. So they are in the same weight. Cleto Reyes was very popular before. Muhammad Ali, Tyson, Lewis, Pacquiao and many Mexicans wear it because it is harder. But I don't see anymore boxers using Cleto Reyes. Many boxers now want to use gloves that can protect their hands more. Mayweather too wears gloves that can add protection to his fragile hands. Rival is what I can see most often, I think it is a new brand. Loma uses that Rival gloves.
That might do but that won't guarantee safety, researchers are still digging what to do to reduce the chances of these incidents. There are some overhauls in the industry way back 1980 and established a 10-round fight but as years goes by, it was again back to a 12-round fight.
Cleto Reyes from Mexico are quite famous in the early 2000-2010 because they said that it was so comfortable that boxers tend to forgot that they are wearing gloves but now, boxers tend to choose Grant gloves and Everlast more than Cleto as it gives both protection from their knuckles and it also weigh lighter.
It looks like Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor are indeed talking behind the scenes to make the rematch into a reality because it was already reported that the two is nearing to close the deal and it says that the fight will be contested at 155 pounds, currently, the two are just finishing some details including the terms.
If that will happen, their rematch will likely happen somewhere in the 1st quarter of 2023 because Floyd Mayweather have 1 more exhibition fight this year versus Deji (another YouTube star) at the Coca-Cola Arena, Dubai.
We could say that this is a two rematch because they are planning two fights across two sports.
If that will happen, their rematch will likely happen somewhere in the 1st quarter of 2023 because Floyd Mayweather have 1 more exhibition fight this year versus Deji (another YouTube star) at the Coca-Cola Arena, Dubai.
We could say that this is a two rematch because they are planning two fights across two sports.
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Mayweather vs McGregor rematch is close: One boxing and one MMA fight for 1.5bn dollars
Could finally meet again in the Middle East
https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2022/10/08/634163bd46163fdb7d8b45db.htmlCould finally meet again in the Middle East
As long as they are Youtuber's MMA fighters Floyd Mayweather will surely fight, them, for me Deji is no match against Floyd Mayweather but Conor McGregor has a fighting chance because he is a fighter and he also fought Mayweather inside the ring, so he has experience in fighting him, but a huge likely that Floyd Mayweather will surely fight both these fighters,
Of course, Floyd Mayweather will always win because even professional boxers didn't have that chance to defeat him, what more for this YouTuber superstars like Deji. Mayweather is just taking advantage of their fan bases to hype and market the fight. But McGregor is another story, Floyd's chance gradually decreases if it's against him, I'm not sure if this will materialize as he already said that he's not interested to fight real players.
As time goes, the physical condition of Mayweather is no longer on its same level. If McGregor land a solid punch on him, he might
endanger his life, though the chance of winning is still high for Mayweather.
But we never know when an accident will take place, and basing on that last statement where he doesn't want to fight a real fighter
it's more on the security side.
Just play for the money and take advantage of the fan base youtubers. It's still money that he can collect, so why not, right?
Yes, McGregor just have to find that perfect timing to give Mayweather a solid punch to drop him but at the time, 5 years ago, Mayweather is still agile and quick to read McGregor's punches that's why the latter haven't successfully land a good solid punch. Now, he just wanted to play it safe that is why he released that statement, he is already 45 now and just fighting in exhibition, he need a lot of time to prepare if he will fight a high caliber boxer/fighter but that won't be enough to increase his chances as his numbers are quite high already.
Then why announce that he would not fight real boxers anymore if even Professional boxers like Pacquaio he can surely beat, well, I really think it is to his age, he is not immortal, and he can surely feel that he is now depleting, having ring rust for some that know of it, his age is really catching up to him and he can really tell that his retirement is one thing or another to be enjoyed by him that is why he has done fighting dangerous that could get his fun to a halt,
Because his chances are not the same anymore just like his power, speed and defense maneuvers. He cannot hide that fact that he is already old even if he's still fight in exhibitions, he will have the ring rust effect if he will choose to deal with the likes of Pacquiao nowadays, a May-Pac fight is profitable but knowing Mayweather, he doesn't want to get embarrassed from being defeated.
As time goes, the physical condition of Mayweather is no longer on its same level. If McGregor land a solid punch on him, he might
endanger his life, though the chance of winning is still high for Mayweather.
But we never know when an accident will take place, and basing on that last statement where he doesn't want to fight a real fighter
it's more on the security side.
Just play for the money and take advantage of the fan base youtubers. It's still money that he can collect, so why not, right?
endanger his life, though the chance of winning is still high for Mayweather.
But we never know when an accident will take place, and basing on that last statement where he doesn't want to fight a real fighter
it's more on the security side.
Just play for the money and take advantage of the fan base youtubers. It's still money that he can collect, so why not, right?
In my opinion, you greatly underestimate Mayweather, if the fight goes purely according to boxing rules, then McGregor has no chance of winning. Mike Tyson is 56 but the latest workout videos are terrifying if you think he'll fight you. Floyd is 45 years old, yes, he is 9 years older than McGregor, but McGregor was never even close to Floyd's level. I think he will easily win this fight (and if he wants to, he will knock out McGegor).
Of course, Floyd Mayweather will always win because even professional boxers didn't have that chance to defeat him, what more for this YouTuber superstars like Deji. Mayweather is just taking advantage of their fan bases to hype and market the fight. But McGregor is another story, Floyd's chance gradually decreases if it's against him, I'm not sure if this will materialize as he already said that he's not interested to fight real players.
Then why announce that he would not fight real boxers anymore if even Professional boxers like Pacquaio he can surely beat, well, I really think it is to his age, he is not immortal, and he can surely feel that he is now depleting, having ring rust for some that know of it, his age is really catching up to him and he can really tell that his retirement is one thing or another to be enjoyed by him that is why he has done fighting dangerous that could get his fun to a halt,
It was an unlucky moment for him. No one thought that he'll be ending his career and life like that because his family thinks that he's got the potential to be something big in the future.
But that's no longer a thing anymore because he's not with us anymore and there's no way to stop these sudden unintended deaths by those blows whether it's from sparring or actual pro/amateur fight.
But that's no longer a thing anymore because he's not with us anymore and there's no way to stop these sudden unintended deaths by those blows whether it's from sparring or actual pro/amateur fight.
We can say that every death in boxing is very tragic, but can we just say something like that without having to do something about it, let's put ourselves in the shoes of their families and relatives surely you would be hurt if a loved one would die from boxing right, Is it just like that we just move on because someone passed away from boxing, do we just settle with remorse from the commission of boxing and be done with it, or we just wait for boxing to be banned because those deaths are getting higher and higher,
It looks like Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor are indeed talking behind the scenes to make the rematch into a reality because it was already reported that the two is nearing to close the deal and it says that the fight will be contested at 155 pounds, currently, the two are just finishing some details including the terms.
If that will happen, their rematch will likely happen somewhere in the 1st quarter of 2023 because Floyd Mayweather have 1 more exhibition fight this year versus Deji (another YouTube star) at the Coca-Cola Arena, Dubai.
We could say that this is a two rematch because they are planning two fights across two sports.
If that will happen, their rematch will likely happen somewhere in the 1st quarter of 2023 because Floyd Mayweather have 1 more exhibition fight this year versus Deji (another YouTube star) at the Coca-Cola Arena, Dubai.
We could say that this is a two rematch because they are planning two fights across two sports.
Quote
Mayweather vs McGregor rematch is close: One boxing and one MMA fight for 1.5bn dollars
Could finally meet again in the Middle East
https://www.marca.com/en/boxing/2022/10/08/634163bd46163fdb7d8b45db.htmlCould finally meet again in the Middle East
As long as they are Youtuber's MMA fighters Floyd Mayweather will surely fight, them, for me Deji is no match against Floyd Mayweather but Conor McGregor has a fighting chance because he is a fighter and he also fought Mayweather inside the ring, so he has experience in fighting him, but a huge likely that Floyd Mayweather will surely fight both these fighters,
Of course, Floyd Mayweather will always win because even professional boxers didn't have that chance to defeat him, what more for this YouTuber superstars like Deji. Mayweather is just taking advantage of their fan bases to hype and market the fight. But McGregor is another story, Floyd's chance gradually decreases if it's against him, I'm not sure if this will materialize as he already said that he's not interested to fight real players.
As time goes, the physical condition of Mayweather is no longer on its same level. If McGregor land a solid punch on him, he might
endanger his life, though the chance of winning is still high for Mayweather.
But we never know when an accident will take place, and basing on that last statement where he doesn't want to fight a real fighter
it's more on the security side.
Just play for the money and take advantage of the fan base youtubers. It's still money that he can collect, so why not, right?
Those were tragic, well, all of the deaths while having a fight are tragic. It's too sad that they have to go too soon and it's going to be a match. I guess you've also heard this news about a young boxer in our country that suddenly died after a sparring match.
(https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/844239/18-year-old-boxer-dies-after-losing-consciousness-while-sparring/story/)
(https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/844239/18-year-old-boxer-dies-after-losing-consciousness-while-sparring/story/)
It was tragic because it can not be prevented if it is an arms or leg injury it is not fatal, but most of them are fatal would to the Brain maybe it was Intracranial Bleeding to the head that cause this boxer to pass away, and sometimes become comatose for MMA most injuries was on the arms, and legs and not fatal but for Boxing for the head to sustain that severe continues blow could surely cause internal bleeding,
That Professional boxer was Axiel Van Dignos an 18 years old, and I surely heard of that news, but because I thought that he was just an amateur I haven't added him to the list of boxers, but in hearing this news again, I was shocked that he is really a professional and only 18 years old, and his death will be just because of a sparring match, and it was an Intracranial Bleeding and due to repeated blows to the head, I am quoting this word because I assumed this is the cause of all the deaths in boxing, and no one can tell if this would likely occur to all boxers or just an unlucky few,
But that's no longer a thing anymore because he's not with us anymore and there's no way to stop these sudden unintended deaths by those blows whether it's from sparring or actual pro/amateur fight.
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