Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 195. (Read 31941 times)

Boxing before was fight to the death or shall we say the last man standing. You quit or you die. During the era of Duran, Leonard and Hearns they fought for 15 rounds. Today, it is only 12 rounds. Before, the referees count up to 10, but today, counting ends at 8. There were improvements in boxing to protect their health and lives.

Anyhow, I do not agree reducing the 12 rounds. Non-title boxing matches can be less than 12 rounds, they are not forced. How about replacing boxing gloves? I like lighter gloves and UFC gloves. But boxing is dependent on fists. Extra light and UFC gloves can hurt boxers fists specially when they are in a 36 minute match-ups.  

It's quite sad to hear the news and of course the news gives great sadness to world boxing fans, especially Colombia, I didn't see the match in person but seeing the video footage on YouTube was really quite sad, the fight was quite balanced at first but after that it was seen that Luis Quinones is in bad shape because he keeps getting hit in the head, I think more people have died in the boxing ring than in MMA so this shows that boxing that looks safe is actually more risky than MMA that looks brutal, so far we know that boxers focus more on attacks to the head whereas MMA may be more inclined to lock the opponent into surrender and I think that's why boxing is more dangerous because the head is the main target of fighters so it allows concussion or swelling in the brain like what happened in the case of Luis Quinones.

To my perspectives, he is afraid facing Pacquiao as he knows that even it's just an exhibition Manny will take it seriously and the winning chance for him is slim, and aside from that, fighting Pacquiao he needs to train hard in order to make sure that his body is well prepared, The Pinoy legends always put pride once he steps inside the ring.

Mayweather, on the other hand, he's more on the money and he wanted to have an easier and surer fight to accept.

Plus the money that what will move Mayweather, nothing but all is for the money.

And I don't even know why his fights are still a must watch to anybody out there, it's not that entertaining and exciting anymore because he is just fighting amateur fighters that is way out of his league and even before he said that he won't accept any fights against any boxer that is near his caliber, we already know that he won't agree to any fights where his chances to win are not guaranteed.

And we have this rumor that he'll fight with McGregor again, what does that mean? It's seems to me that he's just afraid to face the legendary boxer once again even if it's just an exhibition fight.

Almost all of the safety precautions have been done beforehand to avoid such incidents but there will be sometime that a boxer's fate ends while he is fighting. Also, even if they seem physically fit, we don't know what's going on inside the body after receiving such strong blows. The body can withstand it but there's a limit that's why there are some fights which resulted to TKO's.

From the old boxing, there are sure changes from the recent boxing to the boxing now, there were rules that needed to add just to make the sports even safer but apparently, it is not enough for those brain damage can not be determined in just by looking at the fighters it will only occur only on the fight, there are indeed deaths in the MMA but that is prevented and decrease with the judgment of the referee's so it is really a more challenging job for the referee's because in there hands in the lives of the said fighter

A particular fighter needs to fight in their said given division but in the exhibition matches fighters can fight any fighter in any division but with just a limited number of rounds of 3 to 5, well many are in favor of the said decreasing of the rounds on boxing but I think it is a safer way to lessen certain deaths inside the ring,


Well, the boxing commission really knows this aswell but they can not reduce certain rounds because boxing will now be boring to watch in a limited round what can they do to prevent it and to lessen the death, they are now admitting that they can not do a thing to this kind of problem but I don't really think coaches or the fighter can remedy that part with their training, but in further more years to come, it is just going to be uglier if they chooses to change certain rules in the declining popularity of Boxing over MMA like I have said if the

Yes, the trainers know it beforehand and so with the fighters, and they are all aware and prepare with it though there are precautions that they will practice but accident can happen and if fate allows it can happen with them, the organizations though are doing everything to lessen the chance and they are to be kept in adjusting to make sure that they are complying with safety precautions to avoid having such kind f cases during the fight.

Those few that still encountering coma or to the point that fighter dies after the fight, cases that are unavoidable anymore since before the fight medical and physical test has already been done making sure that both fighters are fit to face their opponents.

Yes, I don't think that reducing rounds will do any good as well. And it's really sad but inevitable part of any contact sports like boxing, it's just an accident nothing more. And with the advancement of sports medicine and new trainer method, we might see lesser fighter dying after a fight due to concussions in the head. And there is nothing to blame, although the 3rd man in the ring will have to do a better job next time if they hear this kind of sad news.

Well, there are indeed some risks but they are willing to take that as it could get their lives more comfortable if in case they will finish the fight successfully and we cannot really blame them for that. They are knowledgeable enough to know what they get themselves into, and in simple words, not all are born to be a boxer. Reducing rounds is not that reasonable as it will make the fight uninteresting, there's a reason why boxing have 12 rounds while UFC have 3 rounds.

That won't happen as per reducing the rounds, there are specific rounding counts depending on the weight limit per se. It's unavoidable really because it's a contact sport.
The boxers are aware of those risks because even a long time ago, they've heard and seen the news about a sudden passing through major blows on the temple.
That's the risk they know and their trainers are also assessing that so that it won't happen to the fighters that they're coaching. They know what's best for each of them and they've already embraced this as a chosen profession.

They need to adjust to make it safer for every fighter when they step inside the ring, the mistake that has been made before
should not be happening anymore.

Fighters nowadays are balance with the weight and the capabilities, it will be on their skills and talents that they will standup
from their opponents, good competitions, and much safer fights.

Though there are still some cases especially during the amateur fights but all in all it's lesser comparing from the old era of this sport.

I think reducing the rounds are the only thing they can do for now, even though the Boxer might seem healthy brain damage is unavoidable and can not be determined by certain test there where news, where a kid is just practicing boxing and then suddenly collapse because of the hard training certainly those trainer gloves, will sometimes hit a part of the head, and if it is continuously been hit it will surely stress out and may cause Brain damage,

Because the sport of boxing is continuously taking trauma or stress to the head that fighters will certainly cause damage to the brain,



Yup! like many are saying that prevention is more likely better than a cure, early stoppage will be needed if the referee would see that the fighters can not take any hit anymore, while on boxing they will need to count from 1 to 10 if a fighter can not stand anymore furthering the damage to the head,

It's inevitable, there will be always some cases like that every once in a while. In the world of combat sports, the risk is always there and safety is not guaranteed, they may try to reduce the risks but they cannot take that factor away. Promoters, organizers, and fighters/boxer know that fact but they still chose to move forward because of the reward that they could get every fight.

I don't think we can avoid it, boxing organization is doing everything they can prior to the fight, test and everything to see how healthy the boxer is. Maybe reducing the rounds again? but it won't be as competitive.


Referee in MMA I would say is very sensitive of the fight, if they see that the fighters is slipping up, they stop it right away. In boxing it's different, there are a lot of misjudgement on them that could result in deaths in my opinion.

This is a sad truth about boxing when a fighter was continuously been hit to the head it will surely cause some damage to the brain, that is why there are more recorded deaths in Boxing than in MMA, and this is even with gloves on what if the fight was bare-knuckle, there will be a lot of deaths in combat sports for sure,

I think t was Simon Jordan that commented that MMA was more brutal and barbaric but Michael Bisping has put him in his place because Bisping knows he is spouting nonsense and doesn't really know MMA and MMA have come in different kinds of sports not only boxing, and if you look at the technical aspect of thing with MMA it consistently changing its rules to suite its safety and prevention on further damage for the fighter,


Thanks for those links certain people are more afraid of MMA than boxing and for saying how barbaric MMA is, and surely agreed with you that there can not be any rules that could change and prevent the number of deaths in boxing maybe if they can limit the rounds? that is why Mayweather prefers to fight only in exhibition matches because his body can not go beyond rounds 3 to 5 anymore and he knows that further casualties and injuring his health I think just decreasing the rounds that boxing could prevent certain deaths

I also don't know if there are some instances that the fighter or boxer died in the middle of the fight or even after the fight, what I heard was that they are taken to hospital at first to examine the damage further. Some have gone coma or worse died afterwards, most cases are because of head injuries sustained from the fight.

There's no evidence that boxing was the major contributor on what happened to Ali, he was just diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

There's few deaths caused by MMA, but it's much less than boxing as you can compare it yourself here [1] [2]

I don't think there's a change on boxing to reduce the possibility of death because it just can't. Maybe the referee can make an early stoppage, but most boxers wouldn't agree with that and trying to convince the referee if he can still fight.

Most boxers doesn't realize if they're suffering a brain damage because there's no sign of the disease during the fight, but after few hours they will realize if their body become weak or ill which mostly already too late.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_injuries_sustained_in_boxing

RIP for the guy. Another death for boxing, another day of mourning. What could be possible changes in boxing to avoid future casualties? Boxing is a sport for the warriors though. These guys know that death is always in play once they enter the ring either for a real fight or a sparring session.

When there's a boxing casualty, it always leads me to remember when a boxing promoter tried to stop the UFC from becoming mainstream. I think it was Bob Arum or Don King, calling MMA as a sport for barbarians and branding it as very dangerous and it needs to be stopped. Correct me if I am wrong but I haven't heard of any deaths or fighters in a coma in the UFC or in MMA in general.

Well, to tell the truth, I do not lose hope that Pacquiao will come back, it will not be like Tyson did, who was never seen again in a ring, not even to have an exhibition fight, so this is something that I as a fan would like very much , because I have two impressions that I did not like about Pacquiao, the first one was with Mayweather when they totally stole the fight, it was something unfair and painful, especially for those of us who were going for Pacquiao and we know that everything was a setup to give victory to Pacquiao Mayweather, and his last fight that he lost was not good at all, but supposedly it was because he did not have much time left to train, it is time to see him at 100%.


This is very correct, for me the medical team has everything a boxer needs, whether in the middle of a fight or before a fight and throughout his training, I think it's a bit of an exaggeration, but a boxer must undergo a study. in his head through the corresponding devices to rule out that there is something wrong and it gets out of control in a fight, a very recent case in Colombia, a boxer lost his life when he was in the ring, because another boxer through The blow caused death, obviously at that moment the boxer who suffered this was already in a knockout, they immediately took him to the doctor and he was sick for about 3 days and finally died, I think these things can be avoided, perhaps with one more doctor radical control.


That is precisely what one should prevent from happening, and I think that the world boxing federation should focus, so that this type of thing does not happen anymore, because it is very painful to see relatively young athletes who lose their lives like this without So, doing what they like the most, the young man had many projects, I imagine that one of those projects was to become a professional, but I consider something, when we are born, we do it with a certain DNA, ideal for X sports and for others that They do not suit, there are many boxers who are born to be boxers and they do very well and that is where one says that they were born for that, but others, no matter how much they prepare throughout their lives, can fail.

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Colombian boxer Luis Quiñones dies after five days in coma




Source: https://www.ringtv.com/644774-colombian-boxer-luis-quinones-dies-after-five-days-in-coma/

Here is the case of the Colombian who died after the fight he was having.

That's the life in boxing and boxers already knows that risks.

If they end up in death, it doesn't mean they are not careful but it's just unfortunate that it really happened.

That's why I hope that no boxer from now will meet their death at the ring although it's impossible.